What is the radius of this circle?
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Polygon $ABC$ is an equilateral triangle. Three congruent semicircular arcs are drawn on the three sides and towards the interior of the triangle. The terminal points of the semicircular arcs are the three vertices of the triangle $ABC$.
Semicircle $C_1$ of diameter $AB$
Semicircle $C_2$ of diameter $BC$
Semicircle $C_3$ of diameter $CA$
A small circle $F$ is drawn such that it is tangent internally to $C_1$ and $C_3$ and externally to $C_2$
What is the radius of circle $ F$?
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Polygon $ABC$ is an equilateral triangle. Three congruent semicircular arcs are drawn on the three sides and towards the interior of the triangle. The terminal points of the semicircular arcs are the three vertices of the triangle $ABC$.
Semicircle $C_1$ of diameter $AB$
Semicircle $C_2$ of diameter $BC$
Semicircle $C_3$ of diameter $CA$
A small circle $F$ is drawn such that it is tangent internally to $C_1$ and $C_3$ and externally to $C_2$
What is the radius of circle $ F$?
Here is the picture
geometry circle
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â José Carlos Santos
Aug 15 at 11:20
how can the arcs be congruent if they have different diameters? Also, you can insert a link to a picture.
â Vasya
Aug 15 at 11:48
@FareedAF How can $F$ be internally tangent to both $C_1$ to $C_3$? I used GeoGebra to draw out what you mean.
â Toby Mak
Aug 15 at 11:52
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@Vasya ABC is equilateral, so the diameters are all congruent.
â Toby Mak
Aug 15 at 11:53
@Vasya thank you for the note, I added a link
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Polygon $ABC$ is an equilateral triangle. Three congruent semicircular arcs are drawn on the three sides and towards the interior of the triangle. The terminal points of the semicircular arcs are the three vertices of the triangle $ABC$.
Semicircle $C_1$ of diameter $AB$
Semicircle $C_2$ of diameter $BC$
Semicircle $C_3$ of diameter $CA$
A small circle $F$ is drawn such that it is tangent internally to $C_1$ and $C_3$ and externally to $C_2$
What is the radius of circle $ F$?
Here is the picture
geometry circle
Polygon $ABC$ is an equilateral triangle. Three congruent semicircular arcs are drawn on the three sides and towards the interior of the triangle. The terminal points of the semicircular arcs are the three vertices of the triangle $ABC$.
Semicircle $C_1$ of diameter $AB$
Semicircle $C_2$ of diameter $BC$
Semicircle $C_3$ of diameter $CA$
A small circle $F$ is drawn such that it is tangent internally to $C_1$ and $C_3$ and externally to $C_2$
What is the radius of circle $ F$?
Here is the picture
geometry circle
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â José Carlos Santos
Aug 15 at 11:20
how can the arcs be congruent if they have different diameters? Also, you can insert a link to a picture.
â Vasya
Aug 15 at 11:48
@FareedAF How can $F$ be internally tangent to both $C_1$ to $C_3$? I used GeoGebra to draw out what you mean.
â Toby Mak
Aug 15 at 11:52
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@Vasya ABC is equilateral, so the diameters are all congruent.
â Toby Mak
Aug 15 at 11:53
@Vasya thank you for the note, I added a link
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Welcome to MSE. For some basic information about writing mathematics at this site see, e.g., basic help on mathjax notation, mathjax tutorial and quick reference, main meta site math tutorial and equation editing how-to.
â José Carlos Santos
Aug 15 at 11:20
how can the arcs be congruent if they have different diameters? Also, you can insert a link to a picture.
â Vasya
Aug 15 at 11:48
@FareedAF How can $F$ be internally tangent to both $C_1$ to $C_3$? I used GeoGebra to draw out what you mean.
â Toby Mak
Aug 15 at 11:52
1
@Vasya ABC is equilateral, so the diameters are all congruent.
â Toby Mak
Aug 15 at 11:53
@Vasya thank you for the note, I added a link
â Fareed AF
Aug 15 at 12:35
Welcome to MSE. For some basic information about writing mathematics at this site see, e.g., basic help on mathjax notation, mathjax tutorial and quick reference, main meta site math tutorial and equation editing how-to.
â José Carlos Santos
Aug 15 at 11:20
Welcome to MSE. For some basic information about writing mathematics at this site see, e.g., basic help on mathjax notation, mathjax tutorial and quick reference, main meta site math tutorial and equation editing how-to.
â José Carlos Santos
Aug 15 at 11:20
how can the arcs be congruent if they have different diameters? Also, you can insert a link to a picture.
â Vasya
Aug 15 at 11:48
how can the arcs be congruent if they have different diameters? Also, you can insert a link to a picture.
â Vasya
Aug 15 at 11:48
@FareedAF How can $F$ be internally tangent to both $C_1$ to $C_3$? I used GeoGebra to draw out what you mean.
â Toby Mak
Aug 15 at 11:52
@FareedAF How can $F$ be internally tangent to both $C_1$ to $C_3$? I used GeoGebra to draw out what you mean.
â Toby Mak
Aug 15 at 11:52
1
1
@Vasya ABC is equilateral, so the diameters are all congruent.
â Toby Mak
Aug 15 at 11:53
@Vasya ABC is equilateral, so the diameters are all congruent.
â Toby Mak
Aug 15 at 11:53
@Vasya thank you for the note, I added a link
â Fareed AF
Aug 15 at 12:35
@Vasya thank you for the note, I added a link
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From the red triangle in the picture we infer
$$(1-r)^2=left(1over2right)^2+left(r+left(1-sqrt3over2right)right)^2 ,$$
and this leads to
$$r=3sqrt3-1over13 .$$
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Using coordinates . . .
For convenience of notation, let $h=sqrt3$.
Let $B = (-1,0),;C=(1,0),;A=(0,h)$.
Let $P$ be the center of the required circle.
Then $P=(0,1+r)$, where $r$ is the unknown radius.
Let $c(P,r)$ denote the circle centered at $P$, with radius $r$.
Let $M$ be the midpoint of segment $CA$.
Then $M=bigl(largefrac12,largefrach2bigr)$.
Let $s(M,1)$ denote the semicircle centered at $M$, with radius $1$, as shown in the diagram.
Let $T$ be the point where $c(P,r)$ meets $s(M,1)$.
Since $c(P,r)$ and $s(M,1)$ are tangent to each other at $T$, it follows that the points $M,P,T$ are collinear.
Then since $MT=1$ and $PT=r$, we get $MP=1-r$, hence by the distance formula
beginalign*
&MP^2=(1-r)^2\[4pt]
implies;&left(smallfrac12-0right)^!2+left(smallfrach2-(1+r)right)^!!2=(1-r)^2\[4pt]
implies;&r=frac4h-1-h^24(4-h)\[4pt]
&phantomr=frac4sqrt3-44(4-sqrt3)\[4pt]
&phantomr=frac3sqrt3-113approx .3227809558\[4pt]
endalign*
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Although I think using coordinates is the best way to solve these types of problems, it's fun to find other solution.
The figure below is pretty apparent and gives us the construction for the circle. Let the side of the triangle be $2R$
Using the Law of Cosines we get $MH=Rsqrt2-sqrt3, MD=Rsqrt5-2sqrt3 $ (note that we are using $cos 105^circ=dfracsqrt2+sqrt64$). We also have $DEcdot MD=ADcdot DH$, which gives us $$fracR^2(sqrt3-1)MD^2=fracDEMDRightarrow fracsqrt3-15-2sqrt3=fracIER-IE$$
That last equation simplified to $$IE=fracsqrt3-14-sqrt3R=frac3sqrt3-113R$$
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From the red triangle in the picture we infer
$$(1-r)^2=left(1over2right)^2+left(r+left(1-sqrt3over2right)right)^2 ,$$
and this leads to
$$r=3sqrt3-1over13 .$$
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From the red triangle in the picture we infer
$$(1-r)^2=left(1over2right)^2+left(r+left(1-sqrt3over2right)right)^2 ,$$
and this leads to
$$r=3sqrt3-1over13 .$$
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From the red triangle in the picture we infer
$$(1-r)^2=left(1over2right)^2+left(r+left(1-sqrt3over2right)right)^2 ,$$
and this leads to
$$r=3sqrt3-1over13 .$$
From the red triangle in the picture we infer
$$(1-r)^2=left(1over2right)^2+left(r+left(1-sqrt3over2right)right)^2 ,$$
and this leads to
$$r=3sqrt3-1over13 .$$
answered Aug 15 at 15:41
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Using coordinates . . .
For convenience of notation, let $h=sqrt3$.
Let $B = (-1,0),;C=(1,0),;A=(0,h)$.
Let $P$ be the center of the required circle.
Then $P=(0,1+r)$, where $r$ is the unknown radius.
Let $c(P,r)$ denote the circle centered at $P$, with radius $r$.
Let $M$ be the midpoint of segment $CA$.
Then $M=bigl(largefrac12,largefrach2bigr)$.
Let $s(M,1)$ denote the semicircle centered at $M$, with radius $1$, as shown in the diagram.
Let $T$ be the point where $c(P,r)$ meets $s(M,1)$.
Since $c(P,r)$ and $s(M,1)$ are tangent to each other at $T$, it follows that the points $M,P,T$ are collinear.
Then since $MT=1$ and $PT=r$, we get $MP=1-r$, hence by the distance formula
beginalign*
&MP^2=(1-r)^2\[4pt]
implies;&left(smallfrac12-0right)^!2+left(smallfrach2-(1+r)right)^!!2=(1-r)^2\[4pt]
implies;&r=frac4h-1-h^24(4-h)\[4pt]
&phantomr=frac4sqrt3-44(4-sqrt3)\[4pt]
&phantomr=frac3sqrt3-113approx .3227809558\[4pt]
endalign*
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Using coordinates . . .
For convenience of notation, let $h=sqrt3$.
Let $B = (-1,0),;C=(1,0),;A=(0,h)$.
Let $P$ be the center of the required circle.
Then $P=(0,1+r)$, where $r$ is the unknown radius.
Let $c(P,r)$ denote the circle centered at $P$, with radius $r$.
Let $M$ be the midpoint of segment $CA$.
Then $M=bigl(largefrac12,largefrach2bigr)$.
Let $s(M,1)$ denote the semicircle centered at $M$, with radius $1$, as shown in the diagram.
Let $T$ be the point where $c(P,r)$ meets $s(M,1)$.
Since $c(P,r)$ and $s(M,1)$ are tangent to each other at $T$, it follows that the points $M,P,T$ are collinear.
Then since $MT=1$ and $PT=r$, we get $MP=1-r$, hence by the distance formula
beginalign*
&MP^2=(1-r)^2\[4pt]
implies;&left(smallfrac12-0right)^!2+left(smallfrach2-(1+r)right)^!!2=(1-r)^2\[4pt]
implies;&r=frac4h-1-h^24(4-h)\[4pt]
&phantomr=frac4sqrt3-44(4-sqrt3)\[4pt]
&phantomr=frac3sqrt3-113approx .3227809558\[4pt]
endalign*
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Using coordinates . . .
For convenience of notation, let $h=sqrt3$.
Let $B = (-1,0),;C=(1,0),;A=(0,h)$.
Let $P$ be the center of the required circle.
Then $P=(0,1+r)$, where $r$ is the unknown radius.
Let $c(P,r)$ denote the circle centered at $P$, with radius $r$.
Let $M$ be the midpoint of segment $CA$.
Then $M=bigl(largefrac12,largefrach2bigr)$.
Let $s(M,1)$ denote the semicircle centered at $M$, with radius $1$, as shown in the diagram.
Let $T$ be the point where $c(P,r)$ meets $s(M,1)$.
Since $c(P,r)$ and $s(M,1)$ are tangent to each other at $T$, it follows that the points $M,P,T$ are collinear.
Then since $MT=1$ and $PT=r$, we get $MP=1-r$, hence by the distance formula
beginalign*
&MP^2=(1-r)^2\[4pt]
implies;&left(smallfrac12-0right)^!2+left(smallfrach2-(1+r)right)^!!2=(1-r)^2\[4pt]
implies;&r=frac4h-1-h^24(4-h)\[4pt]
&phantomr=frac4sqrt3-44(4-sqrt3)\[4pt]
&phantomr=frac3sqrt3-113approx .3227809558\[4pt]
endalign*
Using coordinates . . .
For convenience of notation, let $h=sqrt3$.
Let $B = (-1,0),;C=(1,0),;A=(0,h)$.
Let $P$ be the center of the required circle.
Then $P=(0,1+r)$, where $r$ is the unknown radius.
Let $c(P,r)$ denote the circle centered at $P$, with radius $r$.
Let $M$ be the midpoint of segment $CA$.
Then $M=bigl(largefrac12,largefrach2bigr)$.
Let $s(M,1)$ denote the semicircle centered at $M$, with radius $1$, as shown in the diagram.
Let $T$ be the point where $c(P,r)$ meets $s(M,1)$.
Since $c(P,r)$ and $s(M,1)$ are tangent to each other at $T$, it follows that the points $M,P,T$ are collinear.
Then since $MT=1$ and $PT=r$, we get $MP=1-r$, hence by the distance formula
beginalign*
&MP^2=(1-r)^2\[4pt]
implies;&left(smallfrac12-0right)^!2+left(smallfrach2-(1+r)right)^!!2=(1-r)^2\[4pt]
implies;&r=frac4h-1-h^24(4-h)\[4pt]
&phantomr=frac4sqrt3-44(4-sqrt3)\[4pt]
&phantomr=frac3sqrt3-113approx .3227809558\[4pt]
endalign*
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answered Aug 15 at 14:21
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Although I think using coordinates is the best way to solve these types of problems, it's fun to find other solution.
The figure below is pretty apparent and gives us the construction for the circle. Let the side of the triangle be $2R$
Using the Law of Cosines we get $MH=Rsqrt2-sqrt3, MD=Rsqrt5-2sqrt3 $ (note that we are using $cos 105^circ=dfracsqrt2+sqrt64$). We also have $DEcdot MD=ADcdot DH$, which gives us $$fracR^2(sqrt3-1)MD^2=fracDEMDRightarrow fracsqrt3-15-2sqrt3=fracIER-IE$$
That last equation simplified to $$IE=fracsqrt3-14-sqrt3R=frac3sqrt3-113R$$
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up vote
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down vote
Although I think using coordinates is the best way to solve these types of problems, it's fun to find other solution.
The figure below is pretty apparent and gives us the construction for the circle. Let the side of the triangle be $2R$
Using the Law of Cosines we get $MH=Rsqrt2-sqrt3, MD=Rsqrt5-2sqrt3 $ (note that we are using $cos 105^circ=dfracsqrt2+sqrt64$). We also have $DEcdot MD=ADcdot DH$, which gives us $$fracR^2(sqrt3-1)MD^2=fracDEMDRightarrow fracsqrt3-15-2sqrt3=fracIER-IE$$
That last equation simplified to $$IE=fracsqrt3-14-sqrt3R=frac3sqrt3-113R$$
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up vote
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Although I think using coordinates is the best way to solve these types of problems, it's fun to find other solution.
The figure below is pretty apparent and gives us the construction for the circle. Let the side of the triangle be $2R$
Using the Law of Cosines we get $MH=Rsqrt2-sqrt3, MD=Rsqrt5-2sqrt3 $ (note that we are using $cos 105^circ=dfracsqrt2+sqrt64$). We also have $DEcdot MD=ADcdot DH$, which gives us $$fracR^2(sqrt3-1)MD^2=fracDEMDRightarrow fracsqrt3-15-2sqrt3=fracIER-IE$$
That last equation simplified to $$IE=fracsqrt3-14-sqrt3R=frac3sqrt3-113R$$
Although I think using coordinates is the best way to solve these types of problems, it's fun to find other solution.
The figure below is pretty apparent and gives us the construction for the circle. Let the side of the triangle be $2R$
Using the Law of Cosines we get $MH=Rsqrt2-sqrt3, MD=Rsqrt5-2sqrt3 $ (note that we are using $cos 105^circ=dfracsqrt2+sqrt64$). We also have $DEcdot MD=ADcdot DH$, which gives us $$fracR^2(sqrt3-1)MD^2=fracDEMDRightarrow fracsqrt3-15-2sqrt3=fracIER-IE$$
That last equation simplified to $$IE=fracsqrt3-14-sqrt3R=frac3sqrt3-113R$$
answered Aug 15 at 15:21
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Welcome to MSE. For some basic information about writing mathematics at this site see, e.g., basic help on mathjax notation, mathjax tutorial and quick reference, main meta site math tutorial and equation editing how-to.
â José Carlos Santos
Aug 15 at 11:20
how can the arcs be congruent if they have different diameters? Also, you can insert a link to a picture.
â Vasya
Aug 15 at 11:48
@FareedAF How can $F$ be internally tangent to both $C_1$ to $C_3$? I used GeoGebra to draw out what you mean.
â Toby Mak
Aug 15 at 11:52
1
@Vasya ABC is equilateral, so the diameters are all congruent.
â Toby Mak
Aug 15 at 11:53
@Vasya thank you for the note, I added a link
â Fareed AF
Aug 15 at 12:35