Grub and usb serial support

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How to access the grub menu using a usb serial converter?



I know it's possible to have grub menu in serial console, putting these lines in grub.conf:



serial --unit=0 --speed=9600 --word=8 --parity=no --stop=1
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But with usb serial converter? In linux it is /dev/ttyUSB0 and I can use it to see boot messages.










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    might be of interest savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?36740
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How to access the grub menu using a usb serial converter?



I know it's possible to have grub menu in serial console, putting these lines in grub.conf:



serial --unit=0 --speed=9600 --word=8 --parity=no --stop=1
terminal serial


But with usb serial converter? In linux it is /dev/ttyUSB0 and I can use it to see boot messages.










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How to access the grub menu using a usb serial converter?



I know it's possible to have grub menu in serial console, putting these lines in grub.conf:



serial --unit=0 --speed=9600 --word=8 --parity=no --stop=1
terminal serial


But with usb serial converter? In linux it is /dev/ttyUSB0 and I can use it to see boot messages.










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How to access the grub menu using a usb serial converter?



I know it's possible to have grub menu in serial console, putting these lines in grub.conf:



serial --unit=0 --speed=9600 --word=8 --parity=no --stop=1
terminal serial


But with usb serial converter? In linux it is /dev/ttyUSB0 and I can use it to see boot messages.







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    might be of interest savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?36740
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    Jun 19 '13 at 18:47







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might be of interest savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?36740
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might be of interest savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?36740
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I guess serial output works only if there is something at the default address of the serial port. The kernel does not know what USB is in the moment when its output begins. A USB to serial converter does this: It looks like a serial port to the other device but like USB to the system itself. You need it the other way round: It must look like a serial port to the local system, not matter what it looks like to the other device.






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  • You're right. This is obvious. Linux kernel can use it as a serial device through /dev/ttyUSB0. But grub?
    – Alessandro Pezzato
    Jun 18 '13 at 15:04






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    @AlessandroPezzato Even the kernel cannot simply access it as a serial port. It needs to talk to the USB controller. Thus no output is possible until both USB and the adapter driver are available (usually as a module).
    – Hauke Laging
    Jun 18 '13 at 15:10






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    Right, kernel uses a module, usally ftdi or prolific. I guess something similar exists for grub.
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I guess serial output works only if there is something at the default address of the serial port. The kernel does not know what USB is in the moment when its output begins. A USB to serial converter does this: It looks like a serial port to the other device but like USB to the system itself. You need it the other way round: It must look like a serial port to the local system, not matter what it looks like to the other device.






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  • You're right. This is obvious. Linux kernel can use it as a serial device through /dev/ttyUSB0. But grub?
    – Alessandro Pezzato
    Jun 18 '13 at 15:04






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    @AlessandroPezzato Even the kernel cannot simply access it as a serial port. It needs to talk to the USB controller. Thus no output is possible until both USB and the adapter driver are available (usually as a module).
    – Hauke Laging
    Jun 18 '13 at 15:10






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    Right, kernel uses a module, usally ftdi or prolific. I guess something similar exists for grub.
    – Alessandro Pezzato
    Jun 18 '13 at 15:18














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I guess serial output works only if there is something at the default address of the serial port. The kernel does not know what USB is in the moment when its output begins. A USB to serial converter does this: It looks like a serial port to the other device but like USB to the system itself. You need it the other way round: It must look like a serial port to the local system, not matter what it looks like to the other device.






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  • You're right. This is obvious. Linux kernel can use it as a serial device through /dev/ttyUSB0. But grub?
    – Alessandro Pezzato
    Jun 18 '13 at 15:04






  • 1




    @AlessandroPezzato Even the kernel cannot simply access it as a serial port. It needs to talk to the USB controller. Thus no output is possible until both USB and the adapter driver are available (usually as a module).
    – Hauke Laging
    Jun 18 '13 at 15:10






  • 1




    Right, kernel uses a module, usally ftdi or prolific. I guess something similar exists for grub.
    – Alessandro Pezzato
    Jun 18 '13 at 15:18












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I guess serial output works only if there is something at the default address of the serial port. The kernel does not know what USB is in the moment when its output begins. A USB to serial converter does this: It looks like a serial port to the other device but like USB to the system itself. You need it the other way round: It must look like a serial port to the local system, not matter what it looks like to the other device.






share|improve this answer














I guess serial output works only if there is something at the default address of the serial port. The kernel does not know what USB is in the moment when its output begins. A USB to serial converter does this: It looks like a serial port to the other device but like USB to the system itself. You need it the other way round: It must look like a serial port to the local system, not matter what it looks like to the other device.







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  • You're right. This is obvious. Linux kernel can use it as a serial device through /dev/ttyUSB0. But grub?
    – Alessandro Pezzato
    Jun 18 '13 at 15:04






  • 1




    @AlessandroPezzato Even the kernel cannot simply access it as a serial port. It needs to talk to the USB controller. Thus no output is possible until both USB and the adapter driver are available (usually as a module).
    – Hauke Laging
    Jun 18 '13 at 15:10






  • 1




    Right, kernel uses a module, usally ftdi or prolific. I guess something similar exists for grub.
    – Alessandro Pezzato
    Jun 18 '13 at 15:18
















  • You're right. This is obvious. Linux kernel can use it as a serial device through /dev/ttyUSB0. But grub?
    – Alessandro Pezzato
    Jun 18 '13 at 15:04






  • 1




    @AlessandroPezzato Even the kernel cannot simply access it as a serial port. It needs to talk to the USB controller. Thus no output is possible until both USB and the adapter driver are available (usually as a module).
    – Hauke Laging
    Jun 18 '13 at 15:10






  • 1




    Right, kernel uses a module, usally ftdi or prolific. I guess something similar exists for grub.
    – Alessandro Pezzato
    Jun 18 '13 at 15:18















You're right. This is obvious. Linux kernel can use it as a serial device through /dev/ttyUSB0. But grub?
– Alessandro Pezzato
Jun 18 '13 at 15:04




You're right. This is obvious. Linux kernel can use it as a serial device through /dev/ttyUSB0. But grub?
– Alessandro Pezzato
Jun 18 '13 at 15:04




1




1




@AlessandroPezzato Even the kernel cannot simply access it as a serial port. It needs to talk to the USB controller. Thus no output is possible until both USB and the adapter driver are available (usually as a module).
– Hauke Laging
Jun 18 '13 at 15:10




@AlessandroPezzato Even the kernel cannot simply access it as a serial port. It needs to talk to the USB controller. Thus no output is possible until both USB and the adapter driver are available (usually as a module).
– Hauke Laging
Jun 18 '13 at 15:10




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Right, kernel uses a module, usally ftdi or prolific. I guess something similar exists for grub.
– Alessandro Pezzato
Jun 18 '13 at 15:18




Right, kernel uses a module, usally ftdi or prolific. I guess something similar exists for grub.
– Alessandro Pezzato
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