Number of folds to form a cube, using a square paper?
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Take a square paper of size S X S units, and thickness of paper 1 unit.
How many half folds should we do to get form a cube out it?
Consider infinite foldable paper.
mathematics paper-folding
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Take a square paper of size S X S units, and thickness of paper 1 unit.
How many half folds should we do to get form a cube out it?
Consider infinite foldable paper.
mathematics paper-folding
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Fun question! Brought me to try folding an origami cube :D ... (there are various manuals online of someone)
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– Nick
Mar 7 at 9:59
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Full cube, or hollow cube?
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– Laurent LA RIZZA
Mar 7 at 11:39
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Actually it was a diamond window, hollow cube. I should have counted the number of foldings though..
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– Nick
Mar 7 at 13:28
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Take a square paper of size S X S units, and thickness of paper 1 unit.
How many half folds should we do to get form a cube out it?
Consider infinite foldable paper.
mathematics paper-folding
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Take a square paper of size S X S units, and thickness of paper 1 unit.
How many half folds should we do to get form a cube out it?
Consider infinite foldable paper.
mathematics paper-folding
mathematics paper-folding
edited Mar 7 at 13:22
Ahmed Ashour
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Fun question! Brought me to try folding an origami cube :D ... (there are various manuals online of someone)
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– Nick
Mar 7 at 9:59
5
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Full cube, or hollow cube?
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– Laurent LA RIZZA
Mar 7 at 11:39
1
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Actually it was a diamond window, hollow cube. I should have counted the number of foldings though..
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– Nick
Mar 7 at 13:28
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2
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Fun question! Brought me to try folding an origami cube :D ... (there are various manuals online of someone)
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– Nick
Mar 7 at 9:59
5
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Full cube, or hollow cube?
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– Laurent LA RIZZA
Mar 7 at 11:39
1
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Actually it was a diamond window, hollow cube. I should have counted the number of foldings though..
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– Nick
Mar 7 at 13:28
2
2
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Fun question! Brought me to try folding an origami cube :D ... (there are various manuals online of someone)
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– Nick
Mar 7 at 9:59
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Fun question! Brought me to try folding an origami cube :D ... (there are various manuals online of someone)
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– Nick
Mar 7 at 9:59
5
5
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Full cube, or hollow cube?
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– Laurent LA RIZZA
Mar 7 at 11:39
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Full cube, or hollow cube?
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– Laurent LA RIZZA
Mar 7 at 11:39
1
1
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Actually it was a diamond window, hollow cube. I should have counted the number of foldings though..
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– Nick
Mar 7 at 13:28
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Actually it was a diamond window, hollow cube. I should have counted the number of foldings though..
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– Nick
Mar 7 at 13:28
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Firstly there must be an even number of folds for the folded paper to remain square
Consider the volume of the paper which is $S times S times 1 = S^2$
Therefore the resultant cube side is $sqrt[3]S^2$
After $N$ pairs of folds the side length is $S / (2^N)$
So $S / (2^N) = sqrt[3]S^2$
So $S = 2^3N$
So $N = log S / (3 times log 2) $
Or $N = log S / log 8 $
Now suppose $ S = 512$ thickness $T = 1$
The computation gives $ N = 3 $ pairs of folds
Worked example:
After 1st pair of folds $S = 256$ with $T = 4$
After 2nd pair of folds $S = 128$ with $T = 16$
After 3rd pair of folds $S = 64$ with $T = 64$ which is a cube
The question asks how many half folds?
Answer:
Half folds = $ 2 times log S / log 8 $
Obviously the paper can only be folded thus if $N$ is an integer
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Consider what happens by doing $2$ folds, one in each direction.
You now have a square that is half the size, but $4$ times the thickness.
So after $2k$ folds
the square has edge length $S/2^k$ and thickness $4^k$.
For this to be a cube we need:
$$fracS2^k = 4^k\ S=8^k \ k = log_8S = fraclog Slog 8$$
So the number of folds we need is
$$2k = frac2log Slog 8$$
It will only be a cube if this result is an even whole number, i.e. if S is a power of $8$.
In reality, this will only work if you cut the paper in half and stack the pieces, instead of folding the paper. I have ignored the amount of paper connecting the different layers of the folded cube, which is quite substantial, and the round folded edges also keep it from being in the shape of a cube.
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I think it should be...
$N = 2 log_2sqrt[leftroot-2uproot23]S$, where $N$ is the number of folds.
As a caveat, $S$ can only be $2^3x$, where $x in mathbbN$.
For example:
$S=4096$ ($=2^12)$
$sqrt[leftroot-2uproot23]S = 16$; $log_216 = 4$; $4 times 2=8$ folds.
$4096 div 2^4$ (I fold each side $4$ times) $= 256$.
Thickness is $2^8$ ($8$ folds) = $256$.
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It is simple.
The volume of paper is $S^2$.
So the side of the cube we want is $sqrt[3]S^2 = S^frac23$.
Each fold doubles the thickness. It starts with $1$. After $N$ folds the thickness is $2^N$.
To get the correct thickness for the cube we need to have $2^N = S^frac23$.
Taking $log_2$ on both sides we get $N = frac23 log_2 S$.
Of course, it only works if N is an even integer.
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Firstly there must be an even number of folds for the folded paper to remain square
Consider the volume of the paper which is $S times S times 1 = S^2$
Therefore the resultant cube side is $sqrt[3]S^2$
After $N$ pairs of folds the side length is $S / (2^N)$
So $S / (2^N) = sqrt[3]S^2$
So $S = 2^3N$
So $N = log S / (3 times log 2) $
Or $N = log S / log 8 $
Now suppose $ S = 512$ thickness $T = 1$
The computation gives $ N = 3 $ pairs of folds
Worked example:
After 1st pair of folds $S = 256$ with $T = 4$
After 2nd pair of folds $S = 128$ with $T = 16$
After 3rd pair of folds $S = 64$ with $T = 64$ which is a cube
The question asks how many half folds?
Answer:
Half folds = $ 2 times log S / log 8 $
Obviously the paper can only be folded thus if $N$ is an integer
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add a comment |
$begingroup$
Firstly there must be an even number of folds for the folded paper to remain square
Consider the volume of the paper which is $S times S times 1 = S^2$
Therefore the resultant cube side is $sqrt[3]S^2$
After $N$ pairs of folds the side length is $S / (2^N)$
So $S / (2^N) = sqrt[3]S^2$
So $S = 2^3N$
So $N = log S / (3 times log 2) $
Or $N = log S / log 8 $
Now suppose $ S = 512$ thickness $T = 1$
The computation gives $ N = 3 $ pairs of folds
Worked example:
After 1st pair of folds $S = 256$ with $T = 4$
After 2nd pair of folds $S = 128$ with $T = 16$
After 3rd pair of folds $S = 64$ with $T = 64$ which is a cube
The question asks how many half folds?
Answer:
Half folds = $ 2 times log S / log 8 $
Obviously the paper can only be folded thus if $N$ is an integer
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Firstly there must be an even number of folds for the folded paper to remain square
Consider the volume of the paper which is $S times S times 1 = S^2$
Therefore the resultant cube side is $sqrt[3]S^2$
After $N$ pairs of folds the side length is $S / (2^N)$
So $S / (2^N) = sqrt[3]S^2$
So $S = 2^3N$
So $N = log S / (3 times log 2) $
Or $N = log S / log 8 $
Now suppose $ S = 512$ thickness $T = 1$
The computation gives $ N = 3 $ pairs of folds
Worked example:
After 1st pair of folds $S = 256$ with $T = 4$
After 2nd pair of folds $S = 128$ with $T = 16$
After 3rd pair of folds $S = 64$ with $T = 64$ which is a cube
The question asks how many half folds?
Answer:
Half folds = $ 2 times log S / log 8 $
Obviously the paper can only be folded thus if $N$ is an integer
$endgroup$
Firstly there must be an even number of folds for the folded paper to remain square
Consider the volume of the paper which is $S times S times 1 = S^2$
Therefore the resultant cube side is $sqrt[3]S^2$
After $N$ pairs of folds the side length is $S / (2^N)$
So $S / (2^N) = sqrt[3]S^2$
So $S = 2^3N$
So $N = log S / (3 times log 2) $
Or $N = log S / log 8 $
Now suppose $ S = 512$ thickness $T = 1$
The computation gives $ N = 3 $ pairs of folds
Worked example:
After 1st pair of folds $S = 256$ with $T = 4$
After 2nd pair of folds $S = 128$ with $T = 16$
After 3rd pair of folds $S = 64$ with $T = 64$ which is a cube
The question asks how many half folds?
Answer:
Half folds = $ 2 times log S / log 8 $
Obviously the paper can only be folded thus if $N$ is an integer
edited Mar 7 at 10:19
answered Mar 7 at 9:35
Weather VaneWeather Vane
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Consider what happens by doing $2$ folds, one in each direction.
You now have a square that is half the size, but $4$ times the thickness.
So after $2k$ folds
the square has edge length $S/2^k$ and thickness $4^k$.
For this to be a cube we need:
$$fracS2^k = 4^k\ S=8^k \ k = log_8S = fraclog Slog 8$$
So the number of folds we need is
$$2k = frac2log Slog 8$$
It will only be a cube if this result is an even whole number, i.e. if S is a power of $8$.
In reality, this will only work if you cut the paper in half and stack the pieces, instead of folding the paper. I have ignored the amount of paper connecting the different layers of the folded cube, which is quite substantial, and the round folded edges also keep it from being in the shape of a cube.
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add a comment |
$begingroup$
Consider what happens by doing $2$ folds, one in each direction.
You now have a square that is half the size, but $4$ times the thickness.
So after $2k$ folds
the square has edge length $S/2^k$ and thickness $4^k$.
For this to be a cube we need:
$$fracS2^k = 4^k\ S=8^k \ k = log_8S = fraclog Slog 8$$
So the number of folds we need is
$$2k = frac2log Slog 8$$
It will only be a cube if this result is an even whole number, i.e. if S is a power of $8$.
In reality, this will only work if you cut the paper in half and stack the pieces, instead of folding the paper. I have ignored the amount of paper connecting the different layers of the folded cube, which is quite substantial, and the round folded edges also keep it from being in the shape of a cube.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Consider what happens by doing $2$ folds, one in each direction.
You now have a square that is half the size, but $4$ times the thickness.
So after $2k$ folds
the square has edge length $S/2^k$ and thickness $4^k$.
For this to be a cube we need:
$$fracS2^k = 4^k\ S=8^k \ k = log_8S = fraclog Slog 8$$
So the number of folds we need is
$$2k = frac2log Slog 8$$
It will only be a cube if this result is an even whole number, i.e. if S is a power of $8$.
In reality, this will only work if you cut the paper in half and stack the pieces, instead of folding the paper. I have ignored the amount of paper connecting the different layers of the folded cube, which is quite substantial, and the round folded edges also keep it from being in the shape of a cube.
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Consider what happens by doing $2$ folds, one in each direction.
You now have a square that is half the size, but $4$ times the thickness.
So after $2k$ folds
the square has edge length $S/2^k$ and thickness $4^k$.
For this to be a cube we need:
$$fracS2^k = 4^k\ S=8^k \ k = log_8S = fraclog Slog 8$$
So the number of folds we need is
$$2k = frac2log Slog 8$$
It will only be a cube if this result is an even whole number, i.e. if S is a power of $8$.
In reality, this will only work if you cut the paper in half and stack the pieces, instead of folding the paper. I have ignored the amount of paper connecting the different layers of the folded cube, which is quite substantial, and the round folded edges also keep it from being in the shape of a cube.
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I think it should be...
$N = 2 log_2sqrt[leftroot-2uproot23]S$, where $N$ is the number of folds.
As a caveat, $S$ can only be $2^3x$, where $x in mathbbN$.
For example:
$S=4096$ ($=2^12)$
$sqrt[leftroot-2uproot23]S = 16$; $log_216 = 4$; $4 times 2=8$ folds.
$4096 div 2^4$ (I fold each side $4$ times) $= 256$.
Thickness is $2^8$ ($8$ folds) = $256$.
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add a comment |
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I think it should be...
$N = 2 log_2sqrt[leftroot-2uproot23]S$, where $N$ is the number of folds.
As a caveat, $S$ can only be $2^3x$, where $x in mathbbN$.
For example:
$S=4096$ ($=2^12)$
$sqrt[leftroot-2uproot23]S = 16$; $log_216 = 4$; $4 times 2=8$ folds.
$4096 div 2^4$ (I fold each side $4$ times) $= 256$.
Thickness is $2^8$ ($8$ folds) = $256$.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
I think it should be...
$N = 2 log_2sqrt[leftroot-2uproot23]S$, where $N$ is the number of folds.
As a caveat, $S$ can only be $2^3x$, where $x in mathbbN$.
For example:
$S=4096$ ($=2^12)$
$sqrt[leftroot-2uproot23]S = 16$; $log_216 = 4$; $4 times 2=8$ folds.
$4096 div 2^4$ (I fold each side $4$ times) $= 256$.
Thickness is $2^8$ ($8$ folds) = $256$.
$endgroup$
I think it should be...
$N = 2 log_2sqrt[leftroot-2uproot23]S$, where $N$ is the number of folds.
As a caveat, $S$ can only be $2^3x$, where $x in mathbbN$.
For example:
$S=4096$ ($=2^12)$
$sqrt[leftroot-2uproot23]S = 16$; $log_216 = 4$; $4 times 2=8$ folds.
$4096 div 2^4$ (I fold each side $4$ times) $= 256$.
Thickness is $2^8$ ($8$ folds) = $256$.
edited Mar 7 at 14:35
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It is simple.
The volume of paper is $S^2$.
So the side of the cube we want is $sqrt[3]S^2 = S^frac23$.
Each fold doubles the thickness. It starts with $1$. After $N$ folds the thickness is $2^N$.
To get the correct thickness for the cube we need to have $2^N = S^frac23$.
Taking $log_2$ on both sides we get $N = frac23 log_2 S$.
Of course, it only works if N is an even integer.
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add a comment |
$begingroup$
It is simple.
The volume of paper is $S^2$.
So the side of the cube we want is $sqrt[3]S^2 = S^frac23$.
Each fold doubles the thickness. It starts with $1$. After $N$ folds the thickness is $2^N$.
To get the correct thickness for the cube we need to have $2^N = S^frac23$.
Taking $log_2$ on both sides we get $N = frac23 log_2 S$.
Of course, it only works if N is an even integer.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
It is simple.
The volume of paper is $S^2$.
So the side of the cube we want is $sqrt[3]S^2 = S^frac23$.
Each fold doubles the thickness. It starts with $1$. After $N$ folds the thickness is $2^N$.
To get the correct thickness for the cube we need to have $2^N = S^frac23$.
Taking $log_2$ on both sides we get $N = frac23 log_2 S$.
Of course, it only works if N is an even integer.
$endgroup$
It is simple.
The volume of paper is $S^2$.
So the side of the cube we want is $sqrt[3]S^2 = S^frac23$.
Each fold doubles the thickness. It starts with $1$. After $N$ folds the thickness is $2^N$.
To get the correct thickness for the cube we need to have $2^N = S^frac23$.
Taking $log_2$ on both sides we get $N = frac23 log_2 S$.
Of course, it only works if N is an even integer.
answered Mar 9 at 23:27
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Fun question! Brought me to try folding an origami cube :D ... (there are various manuals online of someone)
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– Nick
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Full cube, or hollow cube?
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– Laurent LA RIZZA
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Actually it was a diamond window, hollow cube. I should have counted the number of foldings though..
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– Nick
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