How to share a mine of irresistable resources in the middle of an ocean without conflict?

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The year was 2019. Somewhere in the middle of the North Atlantic Ocean (between Bermuda & Ponta Delgada) a new volcano erupted violently for a year. The volcano created a tiny island around 100 square km.



A fishing ship discovered a new kind of fish coming out of underwater caves beneath the island. The fish have semi-translucent bodies which glow faintly in the dark. In its stomach random jewelry is visible. The jewelry ranges from a simple ruby ring to a diamond ring, gemstone rings, pearl necklaces..all kinds of normal accessories that you could buy with money nowadays. The only special thing about them is that the ring/band/chain is made of low enriched uranium.



At first, people didn't know what it was. Then every country wanted a piece of it. Things got heated very quickly and nukes are ready to be launched.



Which country is likely to have the biggest claim on the island? Providing nobody successfully claimed the island, what policy could be used to share the resources so that the world's powers are satisfied enough to not go to war?






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    "tiny" and "100 km square" are quite different things. An island 10 km x 10 km is large enough to get lost and die in. It's large enough to fit a city of a million plus people in.
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    The Atlantean Empire.
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    Ngoc, I did a major edit on your question for grammar and etc. But there was one section I completely did over because it made no sense as you had it. That is the section about countries wanting to "help" the island and give it "freedom." There are no inhabitants (including plants or animals) on the land since it is brand new and still lava, and those are statements about existing inhabited lands. If I got it wrong, please re-edit it, just make sure that it's clear.
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    @Cyn it's alright, that section was just explaining that some countries are really motivated to claim the island, so they invent some nonsensical reasons to be there. The question is still clear enough without it.
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The year was 2019. Somewhere in the middle of the North Atlantic Ocean (between Bermuda & Ponta Delgada) a new volcano erupted violently for a year. The volcano created a tiny island around 100 square km.



A fishing ship discovered a new kind of fish coming out of underwater caves beneath the island. The fish have semi-translucent bodies which glow faintly in the dark. In its stomach random jewelry is visible. The jewelry ranges from a simple ruby ring to a diamond ring, gemstone rings, pearl necklaces..all kinds of normal accessories that you could buy with money nowadays. The only special thing about them is that the ring/band/chain is made of low enriched uranium.



At first, people didn't know what it was. Then every country wanted a piece of it. Things got heated very quickly and nukes are ready to be launched.



Which country is likely to have the biggest claim on the island? Providing nobody successfully claimed the island, what policy could be used to share the resources so that the world's powers are satisfied enough to not go to war?






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    "tiny" and "100 km square" are quite different things. An island 10 km x 10 km is large enough to get lost and die in. It's large enough to fit a city of a million plus people in.
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    The Atlantean Empire.
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    – M. A. Golding
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    Ngoc, I did a major edit on your question for grammar and etc. But there was one section I completely did over because it made no sense as you had it. That is the section about countries wanting to "help" the island and give it "freedom." There are no inhabitants (including plants or animals) on the land since it is brand new and still lava, and those are statements about existing inhabited lands. If I got it wrong, please re-edit it, just make sure that it's clear.
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    @Cyn it's alright, that section was just explaining that some countries are really motivated to claim the island, so they invent some nonsensical reasons to be there. The question is still clear enough without it.
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The year was 2019. Somewhere in the middle of the North Atlantic Ocean (between Bermuda & Ponta Delgada) a new volcano erupted violently for a year. The volcano created a tiny island around 100 square km.



A fishing ship discovered a new kind of fish coming out of underwater caves beneath the island. The fish have semi-translucent bodies which glow faintly in the dark. In its stomach random jewelry is visible. The jewelry ranges from a simple ruby ring to a diamond ring, gemstone rings, pearl necklaces..all kinds of normal accessories that you could buy with money nowadays. The only special thing about them is that the ring/band/chain is made of low enriched uranium.



At first, people didn't know what it was. Then every country wanted a piece of it. Things got heated very quickly and nukes are ready to be launched.



Which country is likely to have the biggest claim on the island? Providing nobody successfully claimed the island, what policy could be used to share the resources so that the world's powers are satisfied enough to not go to war?






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The year was 2019. Somewhere in the middle of the North Atlantic Ocean (between Bermuda & Ponta Delgada) a new volcano erupted violently for a year. The volcano created a tiny island around 100 square km.



A fishing ship discovered a new kind of fish coming out of underwater caves beneath the island. The fish have semi-translucent bodies which glow faintly in the dark. In its stomach random jewelry is visible. The jewelry ranges from a simple ruby ring to a diamond ring, gemstone rings, pearl necklaces..all kinds of normal accessories that you could buy with money nowadays. The only special thing about them is that the ring/band/chain is made of low enriched uranium.



At first, people didn't know what it was. Then every country wanted a piece of it. Things got heated very quickly and nukes are ready to be launched.



Which country is likely to have the biggest claim on the island? Providing nobody successfully claimed the island, what policy could be used to share the resources so that the world's powers are satisfied enough to not go to war?






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    "tiny" and "100 km square" are quite different things. An island 10 km x 10 km is large enough to get lost and die in. It's large enough to fit a city of a million plus people in.
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    The Atlantean Empire.
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    Ngoc, I did a major edit on your question for grammar and etc. But there was one section I completely did over because it made no sense as you had it. That is the section about countries wanting to "help" the island and give it "freedom." There are no inhabitants (including plants or animals) on the land since it is brand new and still lava, and those are statements about existing inhabited lands. If I got it wrong, please re-edit it, just make sure that it's clear.
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    @Cyn it's alright, that section was just explaining that some countries are really motivated to claim the island, so they invent some nonsensical reasons to be there. The question is still clear enough without it.
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    "tiny" and "100 km square" are quite different things. An island 10 km x 10 km is large enough to get lost and die in. It's large enough to fit a city of a million plus people in.
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    – StephenG
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    The Atlantean Empire.
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    – M. A. Golding
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    Ngoc, I did a major edit on your question for grammar and etc. But there was one section I completely did over because it made no sense as you had it. That is the section about countries wanting to "help" the island and give it "freedom." There are no inhabitants (including plants or animals) on the land since it is brand new and still lava, and those are statements about existing inhabited lands. If I got it wrong, please re-edit it, just make sure that it's clear.
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    @Cyn it's alright, that section was just explaining that some countries are really motivated to claim the island, so they invent some nonsensical reasons to be there. The question is still clear enough without it.
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"tiny" and "100 km square" are quite different things. An island 10 km x 10 km is large enough to get lost and die in. It's large enough to fit a city of a million plus people in.
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"tiny" and "100 km square" are quite different things. An island 10 km x 10 km is large enough to get lost and die in. It's large enough to fit a city of a million plus people in.
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The Atlantean Empire.
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The Atlantean Empire.
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Ngoc, I did a major edit on your question for grammar and etc. But there was one section I completely did over because it made no sense as you had it. That is the section about countries wanting to "help" the island and give it "freedom." There are no inhabitants (including plants or animals) on the land since it is brand new and still lava, and those are statements about existing inhabited lands. If I got it wrong, please re-edit it, just make sure that it's clear.
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– Cyn
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Ngoc, I did a major edit on your question for grammar and etc. But there was one section I completely did over because it made no sense as you had it. That is the section about countries wanting to "help" the island and give it "freedom." There are no inhabitants (including plants or animals) on the land since it is brand new and still lava, and those are statements about existing inhabited lands. If I got it wrong, please re-edit it, just make sure that it's clear.
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@Cyn it's alright, that section was just explaining that some countries are really motivated to claim the island, so they invent some nonsensical reasons to be there. The question is still clear enough without it.
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@Cyn it's alright, that section was just explaining that some countries are really motivated to claim the island, so they invent some nonsensical reasons to be there. The question is still clear enough without it.
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Which country is likely to have the biggest claim on the island?




Whichever has the interest. For a historical reference, look at what happened with Ferdinandea/Graham Island, a volcanic island appeared in the Mediterranean sea:




When it last rose above sea level after erupting in 1831, a four-way dispute over its sovereignty began, which was still unresolved when it disappeared beneath the waves again in early 1832.



It was subject to a four-way dispute over its sovereignty, originally claimed for the United Kingdom and given the name Graham Island. The King of the Two Sicilies, Ferdinand II, after whom Sicilians named the island Ferdinandea, sent ships to the nascent island to claim it for the Bourbon crown. The French Navy also made a landing, and called the island Julia. Spain also declared its territorial ambitions. Each wanted the island for its useful position in the Mediterranean trade route (to England and France) and its close position to Spain and Italy.




Therefore any interested country can place a claim on the island.



Then the usual options are either an armed confrontation or a diplomatic approach to solve the dispute.






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    No nation has any claim to that location. However it's on the opposite side of the World from China, Russia has no sphere of influence in the region. Closest powers are Britain (Bermuda, nuclear) and Portugal (Ponta Delgada, not nuclear [research only]).



    Which means the power in ultimate control of this apparent source of manufactured uranium products would be some sort of US special investigation team. There's no point having any pretensions about who is in charge when it comes to matters significant to NATO and nuclear materials.






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      I don't think they were interested at all in either gems or fissile materials. Proof that an underwater civilization capable of making jewelry out of uranium exists, however, would be of the utmost interest to any nation of the world.
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      @Rekesoft, most likely assumption is that it's a cache of old jewelry that the fish are eating for some reason. Until that has been investigated nobody is really going to make a claim to the place, once it's been investigated it's too late.
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      How many caches of old uranium-made jewelry do you think are out there? :) I think the discovery is astounding enough to grant claiming the place "for scientific research reasons".
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      @Rekesoft, isn't one enough? :) If that's all it is then it's a lot of trouble to go to for a small quantity of fissile material. If it turns out to be something more then it's so far outside what anyone would expect that nobody would believe it until it was too late. Countries don't go to war for Blackbeard's lost treasure that someone threw overboard when the crew was got sick because everyone knows it was cursed.
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    This article sums up who gets an island quite well.
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vice.com/amp/en_au/article/exmjvz/how-to-claim-and-name-a-new-island-192
    Basically if it is in a nations 12 mile zone it's theirs automatically and if it's within 200 miles they have a strong claim on it. As shown in the article some naval muscle flexing can extend the zone if noone pushes back. If the island truely is in international waters, whoever plants his flag there and can back up the claim with force gets it. There are no rules as far as I found out, just realpolitics.



    Now mind you that these kind of islands are a common occurrence, yet only one in ten survives for a significant time. So governments and even courious explorers aren't fast to claim these lands.



    I might even have a good location for your islands. I checked out Google Maps in the satellite mode and along the line you described there seems to be a group of underwater volcanos south of Newfoundland. (I could be wrong, wasn't able to find much else about those) But having one of those rise above the surface seems plausable.



    Thus considering the islands position I'm 90% certain that the island would be claimed by the USA. It is the worlds strongest naval power. Portugal, France, Britain, Canada and possibly Denmark and Iceland might claim it, but I only see that happening if 'murica isn' t interested for some reason.



    No matter who gets it I dont see how the issue is settled in a non civil way. All these nations are NATO and important trade partners. In fact Denmark and Canada had contested territory in the Arktic until quite recently, yet the "conflict" was based arround flag stealing and leaving whisky and a note claiming the island. No matter the resources, how are they worth a trade war or war with important partners?



    Now to the fishes and the jewelery. I don't intend to bash your idea, these are just some points you might wanna consider. Uranium is a quite poisonous heavy metal. In fact, if you where to consume a dose of Uranium salts, whose radiation would kill you, you wouldn't die by radiation. The hevy metal poisoning gets you first. Look up lead poisoning for details. How do the fishes survive the contact with the metal? And how do dead fishes don't poison the entire Atlantic?



    Concerning the valuables the quantity of these fishes is important. If they are rare, the resources would not be economically extractable and noone would fight for the island. If they are common they can ruin the market. You see, the high sale value of precious stones comes from their scarcity. (and market speculation and artificial scarcity induced by the traders, but that's a different story) If you now have this island where you can fish up metric tons of these scarce resources they are no longer scarce, so no longer as valuable. The current yearly gem production ranges from 30 kg (diamonds) to ca. 8000 t (amethysts). So if there are lots of your fishes they might upset the markets strongly.



    If the island truely is contested viciously a UN mandate or a joint US EU research initiative backed by those countries is consivable. This could be modeld after the Antarctica treaty, as the situation seems similar. A uninhabited island with ample resources. So you might get numerous sientific stations (joined or not) but no resource exploitation.






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      The US has a "no imperial expansion" policy that would prevent them taking direct control. Taking control by proxy is more their style.
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      @Separatrix Good point, but who to use as a proxy?
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      Probably the European power with the best claim to the island, likely Britain or Portugal who between them have the world's longest standing current military alliance anyway.
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    The island would become a NATO protectorate, administered under the Antarctic Treaty System.



    An island full of riches will turn into a free-for-all, with a great risk of damaging the resource. Access must be controlled to limit the possibility of damage, make sure benefit from resources is equitable, and especially to allow cool-blooded scientific study of the phenomenon without risk of looting or harm to the scientists by loot-seekers. Being as this island is in the Atlantic, it falls under the aegis of NATO and NATO ships would keep order.



    Operation Ocean Shield is something like this - here a cooperative (including non-Nato members) to suppress pirates and allow desired activities (mostly mercantile shipping).



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ocean_Shield




    NATO's contribution to Operation Enduring Freedom – Horn of Africa
    (OEF-HOA), an anti-piracy initiative in the Indian Ocean, Guardafui
    Channel, Gulf of Aden and Arabian Sea. It follows the earlier
    Operation Allied Protector. Naval operations began on 17 August 2009
    after being approved by the North Atlantic Council, the program was
    terminated on 15 December 2016 by NATO. Operation Ocean Shield
    focused on protecting the ships of Operation Allied Provider, which
    transported relief supplies as part of the World Food Programme's
    mission in the region. The initiative also helped strengthen the
    navies and coast guards of regional states to assist in countering
    pirate attacks. Additionally, China and South Korea sent warships to
    participate in these activities.




    In the interest of science and fairness, the island can be administered like Antarctica, through an extension of the Antarctic Treaty System. There is a clear analogy - like Antarctica this is a land without a native population but with natural resources at risk of being exploited for the benefit of one party or another.



    In addition to administration this administrative arm would distribute fish to zoos and jewelry to museums. Select pieces of jewelry would be sold, proceeds going to fund the administrative arm and standing NATO protection operation.






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      United States would have the strongest claim on it, but United Nations can suspend all claims and declare it a natural preserve, similar to Antarctica.



      This land, undoubtedly, would attract a great interest. But unless it lies close to any nation's shore, any territorial claim would be weak. United States has the strongest navy, and is located reasonably close, but other nations, particularly Russia and China, should object to it, even if they don't have enough firepower to push US away from it.



      If it was before the mid-XX century, the strongest and closest navy would be the one and only deciding factor. But this is modern world, and politicians usually think twice and trice before starting a war, or even doing something that may lead to a war. If Russia and China's stance would be very combative, US may decide that the island does not worth the risk of going to war, and the matter should be settled diplomatically. Then the issue would be discussed at United Nations to fashion an agreement what the nations can, and can't do with this land. Likely such an agreement would prevent any nation from claiming this land as their own or introduce any military presence on or around the island. But the use of resources may be permitted, and some nations may have a bigger share of those resources.






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        Which country is likely to have the biggest claim on the island?




        Whichever has the interest. For a historical reference, look at what happened with Ferdinandea/Graham Island, a volcanic island appeared in the Mediterranean sea:




        When it last rose above sea level after erupting in 1831, a four-way dispute over its sovereignty began, which was still unresolved when it disappeared beneath the waves again in early 1832.



        It was subject to a four-way dispute over its sovereignty, originally claimed for the United Kingdom and given the name Graham Island. The King of the Two Sicilies, Ferdinand II, after whom Sicilians named the island Ferdinandea, sent ships to the nascent island to claim it for the Bourbon crown. The French Navy also made a landing, and called the island Julia. Spain also declared its territorial ambitions. Each wanted the island for its useful position in the Mediterranean trade route (to England and France) and its close position to Spain and Italy.




        Therefore any interested country can place a claim on the island.



        Then the usual options are either an armed confrontation or a diplomatic approach to solve the dispute.






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          Which country is likely to have the biggest claim on the island?




          Whichever has the interest. For a historical reference, look at what happened with Ferdinandea/Graham Island, a volcanic island appeared in the Mediterranean sea:




          When it last rose above sea level after erupting in 1831, a four-way dispute over its sovereignty began, which was still unresolved when it disappeared beneath the waves again in early 1832.



          It was subject to a four-way dispute over its sovereignty, originally claimed for the United Kingdom and given the name Graham Island. The King of the Two Sicilies, Ferdinand II, after whom Sicilians named the island Ferdinandea, sent ships to the nascent island to claim it for the Bourbon crown. The French Navy also made a landing, and called the island Julia. Spain also declared its territorial ambitions. Each wanted the island for its useful position in the Mediterranean trade route (to England and France) and its close position to Spain and Italy.




          Therefore any interested country can place a claim on the island.



          Then the usual options are either an armed confrontation or a diplomatic approach to solve the dispute.






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            Which country is likely to have the biggest claim on the island?




            Whichever has the interest. For a historical reference, look at what happened with Ferdinandea/Graham Island, a volcanic island appeared in the Mediterranean sea:




            When it last rose above sea level after erupting in 1831, a four-way dispute over its sovereignty began, which was still unresolved when it disappeared beneath the waves again in early 1832.



            It was subject to a four-way dispute over its sovereignty, originally claimed for the United Kingdom and given the name Graham Island. The King of the Two Sicilies, Ferdinand II, after whom Sicilians named the island Ferdinandea, sent ships to the nascent island to claim it for the Bourbon crown. The French Navy also made a landing, and called the island Julia. Spain also declared its territorial ambitions. Each wanted the island for its useful position in the Mediterranean trade route (to England and France) and its close position to Spain and Italy.




            Therefore any interested country can place a claim on the island.



            Then the usual options are either an armed confrontation or a diplomatic approach to solve the dispute.






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            Which country is likely to have the biggest claim on the island?




            Whichever has the interest. For a historical reference, look at what happened with Ferdinandea/Graham Island, a volcanic island appeared in the Mediterranean sea:




            When it last rose above sea level after erupting in 1831, a four-way dispute over its sovereignty began, which was still unresolved when it disappeared beneath the waves again in early 1832.



            It was subject to a four-way dispute over its sovereignty, originally claimed for the United Kingdom and given the name Graham Island. The King of the Two Sicilies, Ferdinand II, after whom Sicilians named the island Ferdinandea, sent ships to the nascent island to claim it for the Bourbon crown. The French Navy also made a landing, and called the island Julia. Spain also declared its territorial ambitions. Each wanted the island for its useful position in the Mediterranean trade route (to England and France) and its close position to Spain and Italy.




            Therefore any interested country can place a claim on the island.



            Then the usual options are either an armed confrontation or a diplomatic approach to solve the dispute.







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                No nation has any claim to that location. However it's on the opposite side of the World from China, Russia has no sphere of influence in the region. Closest powers are Britain (Bermuda, nuclear) and Portugal (Ponta Delgada, not nuclear [research only]).



                Which means the power in ultimate control of this apparent source of manufactured uranium products would be some sort of US special investigation team. There's no point having any pretensions about who is in charge when it comes to matters significant to NATO and nuclear materials.






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                  I don't think they were interested at all in either gems or fissile materials. Proof that an underwater civilization capable of making jewelry out of uranium exists, however, would be of the utmost interest to any nation of the world.
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                  @Rekesoft, most likely assumption is that it's a cache of old jewelry that the fish are eating for some reason. Until that has been investigated nobody is really going to make a claim to the place, once it's been investigated it's too late.
                  $endgroup$
                  – Separatrix
                  Mar 12 at 11:39






                • 1




                  $begingroup$
                  How many caches of old uranium-made jewelry do you think are out there? :) I think the discovery is astounding enough to grant claiming the place "for scientific research reasons".
                  $endgroup$
                  – Rekesoft
                  Mar 12 at 11:41










                • $begingroup$
                  @Rekesoft, isn't one enough? :) If that's all it is then it's a lot of trouble to go to for a small quantity of fissile material. If it turns out to be something more then it's so far outside what anyone would expect that nobody would believe it until it was too late. Countries don't go to war for Blackbeard's lost treasure that someone threw overboard when the crew was got sick because everyone knows it was cursed.
                  $endgroup$
                  – Separatrix
                  Mar 12 at 11:44
















                5












                $begingroup$

                No nation has any claim to that location. However it's on the opposite side of the World from China, Russia has no sphere of influence in the region. Closest powers are Britain (Bermuda, nuclear) and Portugal (Ponta Delgada, not nuclear [research only]).



                Which means the power in ultimate control of this apparent source of manufactured uranium products would be some sort of US special investigation team. There's no point having any pretensions about who is in charge when it comes to matters significant to NATO and nuclear materials.






                share|improve this answer









                $endgroup$








                • 3




                  $begingroup$
                  I don't think they were interested at all in either gems or fissile materials. Proof that an underwater civilization capable of making jewelry out of uranium exists, however, would be of the utmost interest to any nation of the world.
                  $endgroup$
                  – Rekesoft
                  Mar 12 at 11:33






                • 1




                  $begingroup$
                  @Rekesoft, most likely assumption is that it's a cache of old jewelry that the fish are eating for some reason. Until that has been investigated nobody is really going to make a claim to the place, once it's been investigated it's too late.
                  $endgroup$
                  – Separatrix
                  Mar 12 at 11:39






                • 1




                  $begingroup$
                  How many caches of old uranium-made jewelry do you think are out there? :) I think the discovery is astounding enough to grant claiming the place "for scientific research reasons".
                  $endgroup$
                  – Rekesoft
                  Mar 12 at 11:41










                • $begingroup$
                  @Rekesoft, isn't one enough? :) If that's all it is then it's a lot of trouble to go to for a small quantity of fissile material. If it turns out to be something more then it's so far outside what anyone would expect that nobody would believe it until it was too late. Countries don't go to war for Blackbeard's lost treasure that someone threw overboard when the crew was got sick because everyone knows it was cursed.
                  $endgroup$
                  – Separatrix
                  Mar 12 at 11:44














                5












                5








                5





                $begingroup$

                No nation has any claim to that location. However it's on the opposite side of the World from China, Russia has no sphere of influence in the region. Closest powers are Britain (Bermuda, nuclear) and Portugal (Ponta Delgada, not nuclear [research only]).



                Which means the power in ultimate control of this apparent source of manufactured uranium products would be some sort of US special investigation team. There's no point having any pretensions about who is in charge when it comes to matters significant to NATO and nuclear materials.






                share|improve this answer









                $endgroup$



                No nation has any claim to that location. However it's on the opposite side of the World from China, Russia has no sphere of influence in the region. Closest powers are Britain (Bermuda, nuclear) and Portugal (Ponta Delgada, not nuclear [research only]).



                Which means the power in ultimate control of this apparent source of manufactured uranium products would be some sort of US special investigation team. There's no point having any pretensions about who is in charge when it comes to matters significant to NATO and nuclear materials.







                share|improve this answer












                share|improve this answer



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                answered Mar 12 at 10:15









                SeparatrixSeparatrix

                85.5k31198332




                85.5k31198332







                • 3




                  $begingroup$
                  I don't think they were interested at all in either gems or fissile materials. Proof that an underwater civilization capable of making jewelry out of uranium exists, however, would be of the utmost interest to any nation of the world.
                  $endgroup$
                  – Rekesoft
                  Mar 12 at 11:33






                • 1




                  $begingroup$
                  @Rekesoft, most likely assumption is that it's a cache of old jewelry that the fish are eating for some reason. Until that has been investigated nobody is really going to make a claim to the place, once it's been investigated it's too late.
                  $endgroup$
                  – Separatrix
                  Mar 12 at 11:39






                • 1




                  $begingroup$
                  How many caches of old uranium-made jewelry do you think are out there? :) I think the discovery is astounding enough to grant claiming the place "for scientific research reasons".
                  $endgroup$
                  – Rekesoft
                  Mar 12 at 11:41










                • $begingroup$
                  @Rekesoft, isn't one enough? :) If that's all it is then it's a lot of trouble to go to for a small quantity of fissile material. If it turns out to be something more then it's so far outside what anyone would expect that nobody would believe it until it was too late. Countries don't go to war for Blackbeard's lost treasure that someone threw overboard when the crew was got sick because everyone knows it was cursed.
                  $endgroup$
                  – Separatrix
                  Mar 12 at 11:44













                • 3




                  $begingroup$
                  I don't think they were interested at all in either gems or fissile materials. Proof that an underwater civilization capable of making jewelry out of uranium exists, however, would be of the utmost interest to any nation of the world.
                  $endgroup$
                  – Rekesoft
                  Mar 12 at 11:33






                • 1




                  $begingroup$
                  @Rekesoft, most likely assumption is that it's a cache of old jewelry that the fish are eating for some reason. Until that has been investigated nobody is really going to make a claim to the place, once it's been investigated it's too late.
                  $endgroup$
                  – Separatrix
                  Mar 12 at 11:39






                • 1




                  $begingroup$
                  How many caches of old uranium-made jewelry do you think are out there? :) I think the discovery is astounding enough to grant claiming the place "for scientific research reasons".
                  $endgroup$
                  – Rekesoft
                  Mar 12 at 11:41










                • $begingroup$
                  @Rekesoft, isn't one enough? :) If that's all it is then it's a lot of trouble to go to for a small quantity of fissile material. If it turns out to be something more then it's so far outside what anyone would expect that nobody would believe it until it was too late. Countries don't go to war for Blackbeard's lost treasure that someone threw overboard when the crew was got sick because everyone knows it was cursed.
                  $endgroup$
                  – Separatrix
                  Mar 12 at 11:44








                3




                3




                $begingroup$
                I don't think they were interested at all in either gems or fissile materials. Proof that an underwater civilization capable of making jewelry out of uranium exists, however, would be of the utmost interest to any nation of the world.
                $endgroup$
                – Rekesoft
                Mar 12 at 11:33




                $begingroup$
                I don't think they were interested at all in either gems or fissile materials. Proof that an underwater civilization capable of making jewelry out of uranium exists, however, would be of the utmost interest to any nation of the world.
                $endgroup$
                – Rekesoft
                Mar 12 at 11:33




                1




                1




                $begingroup$
                @Rekesoft, most likely assumption is that it's a cache of old jewelry that the fish are eating for some reason. Until that has been investigated nobody is really going to make a claim to the place, once it's been investigated it's too late.
                $endgroup$
                – Separatrix
                Mar 12 at 11:39




                $begingroup$
                @Rekesoft, most likely assumption is that it's a cache of old jewelry that the fish are eating for some reason. Until that has been investigated nobody is really going to make a claim to the place, once it's been investigated it's too late.
                $endgroup$
                – Separatrix
                Mar 12 at 11:39




                1




                1




                $begingroup$
                How many caches of old uranium-made jewelry do you think are out there? :) I think the discovery is astounding enough to grant claiming the place "for scientific research reasons".
                $endgroup$
                – Rekesoft
                Mar 12 at 11:41




                $begingroup$
                How many caches of old uranium-made jewelry do you think are out there? :) I think the discovery is astounding enough to grant claiming the place "for scientific research reasons".
                $endgroup$
                – Rekesoft
                Mar 12 at 11:41












                $begingroup$
                @Rekesoft, isn't one enough? :) If that's all it is then it's a lot of trouble to go to for a small quantity of fissile material. If it turns out to be something more then it's so far outside what anyone would expect that nobody would believe it until it was too late. Countries don't go to war for Blackbeard's lost treasure that someone threw overboard when the crew was got sick because everyone knows it was cursed.
                $endgroup$
                – Separatrix
                Mar 12 at 11:44





                $begingroup$
                @Rekesoft, isn't one enough? :) If that's all it is then it's a lot of trouble to go to for a small quantity of fissile material. If it turns out to be something more then it's so far outside what anyone would expect that nobody would believe it until it was too late. Countries don't go to war for Blackbeard's lost treasure that someone threw overboard when the crew was got sick because everyone knows it was cursed.
                $endgroup$
                – Separatrix
                Mar 12 at 11:44












                3












                $begingroup$

                This article sums up who gets an island quite well.
                https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vice.com/amp/en_au/article/exmjvz/how-to-claim-and-name-a-new-island-192
                Basically if it is in a nations 12 mile zone it's theirs automatically and if it's within 200 miles they have a strong claim on it. As shown in the article some naval muscle flexing can extend the zone if noone pushes back. If the island truely is in international waters, whoever plants his flag there and can back up the claim with force gets it. There are no rules as far as I found out, just realpolitics.



                Now mind you that these kind of islands are a common occurrence, yet only one in ten survives for a significant time. So governments and even courious explorers aren't fast to claim these lands.



                I might even have a good location for your islands. I checked out Google Maps in the satellite mode and along the line you described there seems to be a group of underwater volcanos south of Newfoundland. (I could be wrong, wasn't able to find much else about those) But having one of those rise above the surface seems plausable.



                Thus considering the islands position I'm 90% certain that the island would be claimed by the USA. It is the worlds strongest naval power. Portugal, France, Britain, Canada and possibly Denmark and Iceland might claim it, but I only see that happening if 'murica isn' t interested for some reason.



                No matter who gets it I dont see how the issue is settled in a non civil way. All these nations are NATO and important trade partners. In fact Denmark and Canada had contested territory in the Arktic until quite recently, yet the "conflict" was based arround flag stealing and leaving whisky and a note claiming the island. No matter the resources, how are they worth a trade war or war with important partners?



                Now to the fishes and the jewelery. I don't intend to bash your idea, these are just some points you might wanna consider. Uranium is a quite poisonous heavy metal. In fact, if you where to consume a dose of Uranium salts, whose radiation would kill you, you wouldn't die by radiation. The hevy metal poisoning gets you first. Look up lead poisoning for details. How do the fishes survive the contact with the metal? And how do dead fishes don't poison the entire Atlantic?



                Concerning the valuables the quantity of these fishes is important. If they are rare, the resources would not be economically extractable and noone would fight for the island. If they are common they can ruin the market. You see, the high sale value of precious stones comes from their scarcity. (and market speculation and artificial scarcity induced by the traders, but that's a different story) If you now have this island where you can fish up metric tons of these scarce resources they are no longer scarce, so no longer as valuable. The current yearly gem production ranges from 30 kg (diamonds) to ca. 8000 t (amethysts). So if there are lots of your fishes they might upset the markets strongly.



                If the island truely is contested viciously a UN mandate or a joint US EU research initiative backed by those countries is consivable. This could be modeld after the Antarctica treaty, as the situation seems similar. A uninhabited island with ample resources. So you might get numerous sientific stations (joined or not) but no resource exploitation.






                share|improve this answer









                $endgroup$












                • $begingroup$
                  The US has a "no imperial expansion" policy that would prevent them taking direct control. Taking control by proxy is more their style.
                  $endgroup$
                  – Separatrix
                  Mar 12 at 11:53










                • $begingroup$
                  @Separatrix Good point, but who to use as a proxy?
                  $endgroup$
                  – TheDyingOfLight
                  Mar 12 at 13:30










                • $begingroup$
                  Probably the European power with the best claim to the island, likely Britain or Portugal who between them have the world's longest standing current military alliance anyway.
                  $endgroup$
                  – Separatrix
                  Mar 12 at 13:53















                3












                $begingroup$

                This article sums up who gets an island quite well.
                https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vice.com/amp/en_au/article/exmjvz/how-to-claim-and-name-a-new-island-192
                Basically if it is in a nations 12 mile zone it's theirs automatically and if it's within 200 miles they have a strong claim on it. As shown in the article some naval muscle flexing can extend the zone if noone pushes back. If the island truely is in international waters, whoever plants his flag there and can back up the claim with force gets it. There are no rules as far as I found out, just realpolitics.



                Now mind you that these kind of islands are a common occurrence, yet only one in ten survives for a significant time. So governments and even courious explorers aren't fast to claim these lands.



                I might even have a good location for your islands. I checked out Google Maps in the satellite mode and along the line you described there seems to be a group of underwater volcanos south of Newfoundland. (I could be wrong, wasn't able to find much else about those) But having one of those rise above the surface seems plausable.



                Thus considering the islands position I'm 90% certain that the island would be claimed by the USA. It is the worlds strongest naval power. Portugal, France, Britain, Canada and possibly Denmark and Iceland might claim it, but I only see that happening if 'murica isn' t interested for some reason.



                No matter who gets it I dont see how the issue is settled in a non civil way. All these nations are NATO and important trade partners. In fact Denmark and Canada had contested territory in the Arktic until quite recently, yet the "conflict" was based arround flag stealing and leaving whisky and a note claiming the island. No matter the resources, how are they worth a trade war or war with important partners?



                Now to the fishes and the jewelery. I don't intend to bash your idea, these are just some points you might wanna consider. Uranium is a quite poisonous heavy metal. In fact, if you where to consume a dose of Uranium salts, whose radiation would kill you, you wouldn't die by radiation. The hevy metal poisoning gets you first. Look up lead poisoning for details. How do the fishes survive the contact with the metal? And how do dead fishes don't poison the entire Atlantic?



                Concerning the valuables the quantity of these fishes is important. If they are rare, the resources would not be economically extractable and noone would fight for the island. If they are common they can ruin the market. You see, the high sale value of precious stones comes from their scarcity. (and market speculation and artificial scarcity induced by the traders, but that's a different story) If you now have this island where you can fish up metric tons of these scarce resources they are no longer scarce, so no longer as valuable. The current yearly gem production ranges from 30 kg (diamonds) to ca. 8000 t (amethysts). So if there are lots of your fishes they might upset the markets strongly.



                If the island truely is contested viciously a UN mandate or a joint US EU research initiative backed by those countries is consivable. This could be modeld after the Antarctica treaty, as the situation seems similar. A uninhabited island with ample resources. So you might get numerous sientific stations (joined or not) but no resource exploitation.






                share|improve this answer









                $endgroup$












                • $begingroup$
                  The US has a "no imperial expansion" policy that would prevent them taking direct control. Taking control by proxy is more their style.
                  $endgroup$
                  – Separatrix
                  Mar 12 at 11:53










                • $begingroup$
                  @Separatrix Good point, but who to use as a proxy?
                  $endgroup$
                  – TheDyingOfLight
                  Mar 12 at 13:30










                • $begingroup$
                  Probably the European power with the best claim to the island, likely Britain or Portugal who between them have the world's longest standing current military alliance anyway.
                  $endgroup$
                  – Separatrix
                  Mar 12 at 13:53













                3












                3








                3





                $begingroup$

                This article sums up who gets an island quite well.
                https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vice.com/amp/en_au/article/exmjvz/how-to-claim-and-name-a-new-island-192
                Basically if it is in a nations 12 mile zone it's theirs automatically and if it's within 200 miles they have a strong claim on it. As shown in the article some naval muscle flexing can extend the zone if noone pushes back. If the island truely is in international waters, whoever plants his flag there and can back up the claim with force gets it. There are no rules as far as I found out, just realpolitics.



                Now mind you that these kind of islands are a common occurrence, yet only one in ten survives for a significant time. So governments and even courious explorers aren't fast to claim these lands.



                I might even have a good location for your islands. I checked out Google Maps in the satellite mode and along the line you described there seems to be a group of underwater volcanos south of Newfoundland. (I could be wrong, wasn't able to find much else about those) But having one of those rise above the surface seems plausable.



                Thus considering the islands position I'm 90% certain that the island would be claimed by the USA. It is the worlds strongest naval power. Portugal, France, Britain, Canada and possibly Denmark and Iceland might claim it, but I only see that happening if 'murica isn' t interested for some reason.



                No matter who gets it I dont see how the issue is settled in a non civil way. All these nations are NATO and important trade partners. In fact Denmark and Canada had contested territory in the Arktic until quite recently, yet the "conflict" was based arround flag stealing and leaving whisky and a note claiming the island. No matter the resources, how are they worth a trade war or war with important partners?



                Now to the fishes and the jewelery. I don't intend to bash your idea, these are just some points you might wanna consider. Uranium is a quite poisonous heavy metal. In fact, if you where to consume a dose of Uranium salts, whose radiation would kill you, you wouldn't die by radiation. The hevy metal poisoning gets you first. Look up lead poisoning for details. How do the fishes survive the contact with the metal? And how do dead fishes don't poison the entire Atlantic?



                Concerning the valuables the quantity of these fishes is important. If they are rare, the resources would not be economically extractable and noone would fight for the island. If they are common they can ruin the market. You see, the high sale value of precious stones comes from their scarcity. (and market speculation and artificial scarcity induced by the traders, but that's a different story) If you now have this island where you can fish up metric tons of these scarce resources they are no longer scarce, so no longer as valuable. The current yearly gem production ranges from 30 kg (diamonds) to ca. 8000 t (amethysts). So if there are lots of your fishes they might upset the markets strongly.



                If the island truely is contested viciously a UN mandate or a joint US EU research initiative backed by those countries is consivable. This could be modeld after the Antarctica treaty, as the situation seems similar. A uninhabited island with ample resources. So you might get numerous sientific stations (joined or not) but no resource exploitation.






                share|improve this answer









                $endgroup$



                This article sums up who gets an island quite well.
                https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vice.com/amp/en_au/article/exmjvz/how-to-claim-and-name-a-new-island-192
                Basically if it is in a nations 12 mile zone it's theirs automatically and if it's within 200 miles they have a strong claim on it. As shown in the article some naval muscle flexing can extend the zone if noone pushes back. If the island truely is in international waters, whoever plants his flag there and can back up the claim with force gets it. There are no rules as far as I found out, just realpolitics.



                Now mind you that these kind of islands are a common occurrence, yet only one in ten survives for a significant time. So governments and even courious explorers aren't fast to claim these lands.



                I might even have a good location for your islands. I checked out Google Maps in the satellite mode and along the line you described there seems to be a group of underwater volcanos south of Newfoundland. (I could be wrong, wasn't able to find much else about those) But having one of those rise above the surface seems plausable.



                Thus considering the islands position I'm 90% certain that the island would be claimed by the USA. It is the worlds strongest naval power. Portugal, France, Britain, Canada and possibly Denmark and Iceland might claim it, but I only see that happening if 'murica isn' t interested for some reason.



                No matter who gets it I dont see how the issue is settled in a non civil way. All these nations are NATO and important trade partners. In fact Denmark and Canada had contested territory in the Arktic until quite recently, yet the "conflict" was based arround flag stealing and leaving whisky and a note claiming the island. No matter the resources, how are they worth a trade war or war with important partners?



                Now to the fishes and the jewelery. I don't intend to bash your idea, these are just some points you might wanna consider. Uranium is a quite poisonous heavy metal. In fact, if you where to consume a dose of Uranium salts, whose radiation would kill you, you wouldn't die by radiation. The hevy metal poisoning gets you first. Look up lead poisoning for details. How do the fishes survive the contact with the metal? And how do dead fishes don't poison the entire Atlantic?



                Concerning the valuables the quantity of these fishes is important. If they are rare, the resources would not be economically extractable and noone would fight for the island. If they are common they can ruin the market. You see, the high sale value of precious stones comes from their scarcity. (and market speculation and artificial scarcity induced by the traders, but that's a different story) If you now have this island where you can fish up metric tons of these scarce resources they are no longer scarce, so no longer as valuable. The current yearly gem production ranges from 30 kg (diamonds) to ca. 8000 t (amethysts). So if there are lots of your fishes they might upset the markets strongly.



                If the island truely is contested viciously a UN mandate or a joint US EU research initiative backed by those countries is consivable. This could be modeld after the Antarctica treaty, as the situation seems similar. A uninhabited island with ample resources. So you might get numerous sientific stations (joined or not) but no resource exploitation.







                share|improve this answer












                share|improve this answer



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                answered Mar 12 at 11:24









                TheDyingOfLightTheDyingOfLight

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                • $begingroup$
                  The US has a "no imperial expansion" policy that would prevent them taking direct control. Taking control by proxy is more their style.
                  $endgroup$
                  – Separatrix
                  Mar 12 at 11:53










                • $begingroup$
                  @Separatrix Good point, but who to use as a proxy?
                  $endgroup$
                  – TheDyingOfLight
                  Mar 12 at 13:30










                • $begingroup$
                  Probably the European power with the best claim to the island, likely Britain or Portugal who between them have the world's longest standing current military alliance anyway.
                  $endgroup$
                  – Separatrix
                  Mar 12 at 13:53
















                • $begingroup$
                  The US has a "no imperial expansion" policy that would prevent them taking direct control. Taking control by proxy is more their style.
                  $endgroup$
                  – Separatrix
                  Mar 12 at 11:53










                • $begingroup$
                  @Separatrix Good point, but who to use as a proxy?
                  $endgroup$
                  – TheDyingOfLight
                  Mar 12 at 13:30










                • $begingroup$
                  Probably the European power with the best claim to the island, likely Britain or Portugal who between them have the world's longest standing current military alliance anyway.
                  $endgroup$
                  – Separatrix
                  Mar 12 at 13:53















                $begingroup$
                The US has a "no imperial expansion" policy that would prevent them taking direct control. Taking control by proxy is more their style.
                $endgroup$
                – Separatrix
                Mar 12 at 11:53




                $begingroup$
                The US has a "no imperial expansion" policy that would prevent them taking direct control. Taking control by proxy is more their style.
                $endgroup$
                – Separatrix
                Mar 12 at 11:53












                $begingroup$
                @Separatrix Good point, but who to use as a proxy?
                $endgroup$
                – TheDyingOfLight
                Mar 12 at 13:30




                $begingroup$
                @Separatrix Good point, but who to use as a proxy?
                $endgroup$
                – TheDyingOfLight
                Mar 12 at 13:30












                $begingroup$
                Probably the European power with the best claim to the island, likely Britain or Portugal who between them have the world's longest standing current military alliance anyway.
                $endgroup$
                – Separatrix
                Mar 12 at 13:53




                $begingroup$
                Probably the European power with the best claim to the island, likely Britain or Portugal who between them have the world's longest standing current military alliance anyway.
                $endgroup$
                – Separatrix
                Mar 12 at 13:53











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                The island would become a NATO protectorate, administered under the Antarctic Treaty System.



                An island full of riches will turn into a free-for-all, with a great risk of damaging the resource. Access must be controlled to limit the possibility of damage, make sure benefit from resources is equitable, and especially to allow cool-blooded scientific study of the phenomenon without risk of looting or harm to the scientists by loot-seekers. Being as this island is in the Atlantic, it falls under the aegis of NATO and NATO ships would keep order.



                Operation Ocean Shield is something like this - here a cooperative (including non-Nato members) to suppress pirates and allow desired activities (mostly mercantile shipping).



                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ocean_Shield




                NATO's contribution to Operation Enduring Freedom – Horn of Africa
                (OEF-HOA), an anti-piracy initiative in the Indian Ocean, Guardafui
                Channel, Gulf of Aden and Arabian Sea. It follows the earlier
                Operation Allied Protector. Naval operations began on 17 August 2009
                after being approved by the North Atlantic Council, the program was
                terminated on 15 December 2016 by NATO. Operation Ocean Shield
                focused on protecting the ships of Operation Allied Provider, which
                transported relief supplies as part of the World Food Programme's
                mission in the region. The initiative also helped strengthen the
                navies and coast guards of regional states to assist in countering
                pirate attacks. Additionally, China and South Korea sent warships to
                participate in these activities.




                In the interest of science and fairness, the island can be administered like Antarctica, through an extension of the Antarctic Treaty System. There is a clear analogy - like Antarctica this is a land without a native population but with natural resources at risk of being exploited for the benefit of one party or another.



                In addition to administration this administrative arm would distribute fish to zoos and jewelry to museums. Select pieces of jewelry would be sold, proceeds going to fund the administrative arm and standing NATO protection operation.






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                  $begingroup$

                  The island would become a NATO protectorate, administered under the Antarctic Treaty System.



                  An island full of riches will turn into a free-for-all, with a great risk of damaging the resource. Access must be controlled to limit the possibility of damage, make sure benefit from resources is equitable, and especially to allow cool-blooded scientific study of the phenomenon without risk of looting or harm to the scientists by loot-seekers. Being as this island is in the Atlantic, it falls under the aegis of NATO and NATO ships would keep order.



                  Operation Ocean Shield is something like this - here a cooperative (including non-Nato members) to suppress pirates and allow desired activities (mostly mercantile shipping).



                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ocean_Shield




                  NATO's contribution to Operation Enduring Freedom – Horn of Africa
                  (OEF-HOA), an anti-piracy initiative in the Indian Ocean, Guardafui
                  Channel, Gulf of Aden and Arabian Sea. It follows the earlier
                  Operation Allied Protector. Naval operations began on 17 August 2009
                  after being approved by the North Atlantic Council, the program was
                  terminated on 15 December 2016 by NATO. Operation Ocean Shield
                  focused on protecting the ships of Operation Allied Provider, which
                  transported relief supplies as part of the World Food Programme's
                  mission in the region. The initiative also helped strengthen the
                  navies and coast guards of regional states to assist in countering
                  pirate attacks. Additionally, China and South Korea sent warships to
                  participate in these activities.




                  In the interest of science and fairness, the island can be administered like Antarctica, through an extension of the Antarctic Treaty System. There is a clear analogy - like Antarctica this is a land without a native population but with natural resources at risk of being exploited for the benefit of one party or another.



                  In addition to administration this administrative arm would distribute fish to zoos and jewelry to museums. Select pieces of jewelry would be sold, proceeds going to fund the administrative arm and standing NATO protection operation.






                  share|improve this answer









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                    The island would become a NATO protectorate, administered under the Antarctic Treaty System.



                    An island full of riches will turn into a free-for-all, with a great risk of damaging the resource. Access must be controlled to limit the possibility of damage, make sure benefit from resources is equitable, and especially to allow cool-blooded scientific study of the phenomenon without risk of looting or harm to the scientists by loot-seekers. Being as this island is in the Atlantic, it falls under the aegis of NATO and NATO ships would keep order.



                    Operation Ocean Shield is something like this - here a cooperative (including non-Nato members) to suppress pirates and allow desired activities (mostly mercantile shipping).



                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ocean_Shield




                    NATO's contribution to Operation Enduring Freedom – Horn of Africa
                    (OEF-HOA), an anti-piracy initiative in the Indian Ocean, Guardafui
                    Channel, Gulf of Aden and Arabian Sea. It follows the earlier
                    Operation Allied Protector. Naval operations began on 17 August 2009
                    after being approved by the North Atlantic Council, the program was
                    terminated on 15 December 2016 by NATO. Operation Ocean Shield
                    focused on protecting the ships of Operation Allied Provider, which
                    transported relief supplies as part of the World Food Programme's
                    mission in the region. The initiative also helped strengthen the
                    navies and coast guards of regional states to assist in countering
                    pirate attacks. Additionally, China and South Korea sent warships to
                    participate in these activities.




                    In the interest of science and fairness, the island can be administered like Antarctica, through an extension of the Antarctic Treaty System. There is a clear analogy - like Antarctica this is a land without a native population but with natural resources at risk of being exploited for the benefit of one party or another.



                    In addition to administration this administrative arm would distribute fish to zoos and jewelry to museums. Select pieces of jewelry would be sold, proceeds going to fund the administrative arm and standing NATO protection operation.






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                    The island would become a NATO protectorate, administered under the Antarctic Treaty System.



                    An island full of riches will turn into a free-for-all, with a great risk of damaging the resource. Access must be controlled to limit the possibility of damage, make sure benefit from resources is equitable, and especially to allow cool-blooded scientific study of the phenomenon without risk of looting or harm to the scientists by loot-seekers. Being as this island is in the Atlantic, it falls under the aegis of NATO and NATO ships would keep order.



                    Operation Ocean Shield is something like this - here a cooperative (including non-Nato members) to suppress pirates and allow desired activities (mostly mercantile shipping).



                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ocean_Shield




                    NATO's contribution to Operation Enduring Freedom – Horn of Africa
                    (OEF-HOA), an anti-piracy initiative in the Indian Ocean, Guardafui
                    Channel, Gulf of Aden and Arabian Sea. It follows the earlier
                    Operation Allied Protector. Naval operations began on 17 August 2009
                    after being approved by the North Atlantic Council, the program was
                    terminated on 15 December 2016 by NATO. Operation Ocean Shield
                    focused on protecting the ships of Operation Allied Provider, which
                    transported relief supplies as part of the World Food Programme's
                    mission in the region. The initiative also helped strengthen the
                    navies and coast guards of regional states to assist in countering
                    pirate attacks. Additionally, China and South Korea sent warships to
                    participate in these activities.




                    In the interest of science and fairness, the island can be administered like Antarctica, through an extension of the Antarctic Treaty System. There is a clear analogy - like Antarctica this is a land without a native population but with natural resources at risk of being exploited for the benefit of one party or another.



                    In addition to administration this administrative arm would distribute fish to zoos and jewelry to museums. Select pieces of jewelry would be sold, proceeds going to fund the administrative arm and standing NATO protection operation.







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                        United States would have the strongest claim on it, but United Nations can suspend all claims and declare it a natural preserve, similar to Antarctica.



                        This land, undoubtedly, would attract a great interest. But unless it lies close to any nation's shore, any territorial claim would be weak. United States has the strongest navy, and is located reasonably close, but other nations, particularly Russia and China, should object to it, even if they don't have enough firepower to push US away from it.



                        If it was before the mid-XX century, the strongest and closest navy would be the one and only deciding factor. But this is modern world, and politicians usually think twice and trice before starting a war, or even doing something that may lead to a war. If Russia and China's stance would be very combative, US may decide that the island does not worth the risk of going to war, and the matter should be settled diplomatically. Then the issue would be discussed at United Nations to fashion an agreement what the nations can, and can't do with this land. Likely such an agreement would prevent any nation from claiming this land as their own or introduce any military presence on or around the island. But the use of resources may be permitted, and some nations may have a bigger share of those resources.






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                          United States would have the strongest claim on it, but United Nations can suspend all claims and declare it a natural preserve, similar to Antarctica.



                          This land, undoubtedly, would attract a great interest. But unless it lies close to any nation's shore, any territorial claim would be weak. United States has the strongest navy, and is located reasonably close, but other nations, particularly Russia and China, should object to it, even if they don't have enough firepower to push US away from it.



                          If it was before the mid-XX century, the strongest and closest navy would be the one and only deciding factor. But this is modern world, and politicians usually think twice and trice before starting a war, or even doing something that may lead to a war. If Russia and China's stance would be very combative, US may decide that the island does not worth the risk of going to war, and the matter should be settled diplomatically. Then the issue would be discussed at United Nations to fashion an agreement what the nations can, and can't do with this land. Likely such an agreement would prevent any nation from claiming this land as their own or introduce any military presence on or around the island. But the use of resources may be permitted, and some nations may have a bigger share of those resources.






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                            United States would have the strongest claim on it, but United Nations can suspend all claims and declare it a natural preserve, similar to Antarctica.



                            This land, undoubtedly, would attract a great interest. But unless it lies close to any nation's shore, any territorial claim would be weak. United States has the strongest navy, and is located reasonably close, but other nations, particularly Russia and China, should object to it, even if they don't have enough firepower to push US away from it.



                            If it was before the mid-XX century, the strongest and closest navy would be the one and only deciding factor. But this is modern world, and politicians usually think twice and trice before starting a war, or even doing something that may lead to a war. If Russia and China's stance would be very combative, US may decide that the island does not worth the risk of going to war, and the matter should be settled diplomatically. Then the issue would be discussed at United Nations to fashion an agreement what the nations can, and can't do with this land. Likely such an agreement would prevent any nation from claiming this land as their own or introduce any military presence on or around the island. But the use of resources may be permitted, and some nations may have a bigger share of those resources.






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                            United States would have the strongest claim on it, but United Nations can suspend all claims and declare it a natural preserve, similar to Antarctica.



                            This land, undoubtedly, would attract a great interest. But unless it lies close to any nation's shore, any territorial claim would be weak. United States has the strongest navy, and is located reasonably close, but other nations, particularly Russia and China, should object to it, even if they don't have enough firepower to push US away from it.



                            If it was before the mid-XX century, the strongest and closest navy would be the one and only deciding factor. But this is modern world, and politicians usually think twice and trice before starting a war, or even doing something that may lead to a war. If Russia and China's stance would be very combative, US may decide that the island does not worth the risk of going to war, and the matter should be settled diplomatically. Then the issue would be discussed at United Nations to fashion an agreement what the nations can, and can't do with this land. Likely such an agreement would prevent any nation from claiming this land as their own or introduce any military presence on or around the island. But the use of resources may be permitted, and some nations may have a bigger share of those resources.







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