Why do people still hire personal trainers?
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Why do people hire personal trainers, when there is such an abundance of exercise knowledge on the internet?
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Why do people hire personal trainers, when there is such an abundance of exercise knowledge on the internet?
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I am a professional IT consultant. I am self-taught on nearly everything I know, and expert-level programming knowledge is available on the Internet. Why do people still hire programmers?
– chrylis
Feb 9 at 7:29
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@chrylis your analogy doesn't work, because the programmers being hired aren't being paid to teach their employers how to program
– user3163495
Feb 9 at 19:25
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@user3163495 I'd argue the analogy does work, because the personal trainers being hired aren't (mainly) being paid to teach their employers exercise knowledge.
– Peteris
Feb 9 at 19:59
Precisely what @Peteris says.
– chrylis
Feb 10 at 0:16
Why do people hire tennis coaches when there are always plenty of professional tennis players on videos that they can watch.
– Fogmeister
Feb 10 at 14:52
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Why do people hire personal trainers, when there is such an abundance of exercise knowledge on the internet?
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Why do people hire personal trainers, when there is such an abundance of exercise knowledge on the internet?
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I am a professional IT consultant. I am self-taught on nearly everything I know, and expert-level programming knowledge is available on the Internet. Why do people still hire programmers?
– chrylis
Feb 9 at 7:29
2
@chrylis your analogy doesn't work, because the programmers being hired aren't being paid to teach their employers how to program
– user3163495
Feb 9 at 19:25
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@user3163495 I'd argue the analogy does work, because the personal trainers being hired aren't (mainly) being paid to teach their employers exercise knowledge.
– Peteris
Feb 9 at 19:59
Precisely what @Peteris says.
– chrylis
Feb 10 at 0:16
Why do people hire tennis coaches when there are always plenty of professional tennis players on videos that they can watch.
– Fogmeister
Feb 10 at 14:52
add a comment |
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I am a professional IT consultant. I am self-taught on nearly everything I know, and expert-level programming knowledge is available on the Internet. Why do people still hire programmers?
– chrylis
Feb 9 at 7:29
2
@chrylis your analogy doesn't work, because the programmers being hired aren't being paid to teach their employers how to program
– user3163495
Feb 9 at 19:25
4
@user3163495 I'd argue the analogy does work, because the personal trainers being hired aren't (mainly) being paid to teach their employers exercise knowledge.
– Peteris
Feb 9 at 19:59
Precisely what @Peteris says.
– chrylis
Feb 10 at 0:16
Why do people hire tennis coaches when there are always plenty of professional tennis players on videos that they can watch.
– Fogmeister
Feb 10 at 14:52
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I am a professional IT consultant. I am self-taught on nearly everything I know, and expert-level programming knowledge is available on the Internet. Why do people still hire programmers?
– chrylis
Feb 9 at 7:29
I am a professional IT consultant. I am self-taught on nearly everything I know, and expert-level programming knowledge is available on the Internet. Why do people still hire programmers?
– chrylis
Feb 9 at 7:29
2
2
@chrylis your analogy doesn't work, because the programmers being hired aren't being paid to teach their employers how to program
– user3163495
Feb 9 at 19:25
@chrylis your analogy doesn't work, because the programmers being hired aren't being paid to teach their employers how to program
– user3163495
Feb 9 at 19:25
4
4
@user3163495 I'd argue the analogy does work, because the personal trainers being hired aren't (mainly) being paid to teach their employers exercise knowledge.
– Peteris
Feb 9 at 19:59
@user3163495 I'd argue the analogy does work, because the personal trainers being hired aren't (mainly) being paid to teach their employers exercise knowledge.
– Peteris
Feb 9 at 19:59
Precisely what @Peteris says.
– chrylis
Feb 10 at 0:16
Precisely what @Peteris says.
– chrylis
Feb 10 at 0:16
Why do people hire tennis coaches when there are always plenty of professional tennis players on videos that they can watch.
– Fogmeister
Feb 10 at 14:52
Why do people hire tennis coaches when there are always plenty of professional tennis players on videos that they can watch.
– Fogmeister
Feb 10 at 14:52
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There are many ways to answer this.
One, if a person buys a package of sessions from a personal trainer, and has scheduled an appointment and paid in advance, then that person has much greater motivation to actually get to the gym.
Two, maybe someone wants company while they work out. At the gym I go to, I listen to the personal trainers interact with their clients, and most of it consists of banter about the weather, sports, children, pets, movies, and such. These personal trainers provide a little distraction and pleasant company. Nothing wrong with that.
A third reason might be, that they hope a personal trainer will help them with technique and form. Having somebody watch you and give feedback about what your body is really doing can be extremely beneficial. Sometimes a trainer needs to physically manipulate a client's body to correct their movement pattern. However, from what I see at the gym, most personal trainers don't do enough of this. I've see lots of terrible form on display while personal trainers are chatting about the weather. So, some trainers are more diligent than others about giving clients useful feedback.
Fourth, even with the internet, there is work involved in putting together a itinerary of exercises. When I lead an exercise class, I compile exercises from a multitude of sources. A list of my sources would require a small book and I'm adding new sources every week. Some of my exercises come from scholarly research and aren't found on youtube. The average person is not going to invest this kind of time into compiling a workout itinerary. On the other hand, many personal trainers these days just copy their workouts from youtube videos. Again, what you get from a personal trainer depends on exactly who you hire and how much you are willing to pay.
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I will add to this that it is often difficult to observe how one is doing an exercise while doing it, especially when the exercise is pushing one's limits. Not only do personal trainers have a great deal of experience and education, but they're also not distracted by exercising while they do it!
– Cort Ammon
Feb 9 at 1:11
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I'd add to this, that a good personal trainer should actually tell a client to stop the exercise when their form starts to deteriorate. When people start working out on their own, most people will not have the experience to know when it is time to stop an exercise.
– Chris
Feb 9 at 2:20
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I have a PT for many of the reasons you mention: I lack the motivation to exercise regularly on my own, I lack the motivation to research routines and techniques, I can't tell when my form is good or bad, I am likely to stop too soon without someone encouraging me, I would be likely to focus too much in some areas and not enough in others.
– CJ Dennis
Feb 9 at 4:15
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We know a lot about the human body in general, such as how
- weight training tears down muscle fibres
- the body builds muscle fibres back up, better and stronger
- the body needs adequate food and rest for rebuilding muscle
- the shoulder joint is easily damaged from anterior internal rotation
- deadlifts place a lot of strain on the spine if the back muscles are not properly engaged
etc. This is information one can learn from reading books and studies online.
However, we also differ in a lot of areas, such as how
- some people have short tendons, and need to deadlift differently
- some people have shortened hip flexors
- some people sit a lot
- some people have an anterior pelvic tilt
- some people have a posterior pelvic tilt
- some people have weak hip flexors
- some people respond better to high volume training
- some people respond better to high intensity training
etc. This is information that trainers are educated on diagnosing and helping you treat, by creating workout plans specifically designed for your body in particular. Not only to get you started, but also to appropriately adjust the plan as you progress, and as you plateau.
A lot of this can be diagnosed and treated and planned for by yourself, but you would have to do a LOT more reading and studying to get there, and there's less of a guarantee of success, because you can't always trust what you read on the Internet.
So, to sum up: Hiring a personal trainer is something we do to either get help getting started, or to get a second opinion on what we're already doing.
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you should provide references for your "We know a lot about the human body". Some of it is made up, such as "deadlifts place a lot of strain on the spine if the back muscles are not properly engaged". What does that even mean "properly engaged"? where did you got this? please don't nocebo readers
– aaaaaa
Feb 9 at 20:09
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Probably the most common reason is that many people simply don't care about how fitness works, but would like to get/stay fit. Or, they have a lot on their plate and don't have the headspace to construct fitness routines or reflect on their progress.
A decent analogy is tech support. Many people simply don't care about how computers work, or don't have time to waste researching their problem on the web. They may be intelligent people (like a doctor, say) but they would rather pay someone to solve their computer problem (indeed sometimes being given instructions over the phone/screenshare).
I have chronic illnesses and have spent a vast amount of time researching their management. But I simply don't care about analysing blood test results. I'm quite happy to pay a doctor to interpret my cell counts, thyroid function, antibodies, triglycerides, drug concentrations, liver and kidney function, etc. etc.
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I will respond from my personal experience as I have started working out about a year and a half ago and I've used a personal trainer throughout and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.
My reasons are in order from most important:
Motivation - If I have an appointment with my trainer I'm sure to go because someone is waiting for me. I will go on my own sometime but it's rare because there is always some work that needs to be done.
Correct technique and exercise choice - even if I read up online or watched videos I wouldn't be able to properly judge my technique and I probably would have trouble figuring out what exactly I should be exercising. Also I would never consider trying weights he gives me believing I couldn't manage them. And for many it would be true without a spotter anyway.
Exercise modification on the fly - One of the reasons I started exercising were shoulder pains which didn't want to go away for a couple years. My trainer was able to come up with exercises which worked around them and eventually managed to get rid of them completely. I don't have great mobility in general though so often when I get pain from some exercise which is unhealthy and related to mobility rather than the exercise my trainer comes up with a different exercise for the same muscle (group) where my lack of mobility is not a problem.
Time & variety - My trainer has a bachelor's in physical education and is working on his masters. I don't know how long it takes him to set up a session for me but I would certainly take a fair amount of extra time for each session probably half an hour or more. This way I just go to the gym say hi and than go through the exercises he prepared. Saves me time and also gives me more variety. I would certainly never consider that doing squats on a medicine ball or an exercise ball would even be a possibility and now I'm able to climb on one without using my hands.
All of these are very important for me and I'm sure without a sparring partner of some kind I wouldn't be exercising nearly as diligently or as well. So the cost of the Trainer is well covered by the results he brings.
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there is such an abundance of exercise knowledge on the internet
That is confusing different things.
Back in the day, like Aristotle back in the day, the word "knowledge" was (at least) two words:
Episteme: scientific knowledge, or know-what
Techne: craftsmanship, or know-how
You can get the former for free on the internet. The internet is not really an ideal medium for the second kind of knowledge. If you already have a firm base you may be able to score some pointers on Techne, but you won't be able to really get there just by e.g. watching youtube videos, no matter how well produced.
People who hire personal trainers are angling for the second type of knowledge.
To add a personal anecdote: I can power clean my body weight, which while not very impressive by competitive lifting standards, isn't bad for a hobbyist pushing 40. I am extremely skeptical that a normal unfit person can get to that point without expert help.
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In addition to the very good answers already present, which deal with motivation, specialized adjustments and feedback, I would also like to add that having access to an abundance of information about exercise on the internet, is not the same thing as having access to an abundance of exclusively good, complete, or unproblematic exercise information on the internet.
There is information on the internet that is really good, and will help the reader, and there is information that is a bit helpful (but often less then it seems), or that is sometimes helpful and sometimes not, or helpful in suspiciously-specific circumstances. And then there's information that might cause problems if wrongfully applied, or just be unproven or even be wrong information, or otherwise not be fit for the one researching or the suspiciously-specific circumstances that might apply to the one researching.
This isn't, by the way, me picking on the abundance of exercise information on the internets, it is true of any abundance of information on the internets, from cooking to crafting to academic analysis to career development to personal comportment. People believe things, and the act of believing doesn't come with a fact checker - and then they write down their actual beliefs and assumptions, whether the underlying cause works as they think it does, or whether these beliefs or advice work for anyone else or not.
So it does take still, and research, and prior knowledge to pick the really useful bits of information out of the minorly useful, situational, not useful, or outright wrong bits of information. Anyone can do it, sure, but it can be a nontrivial effort to do so correctly. So some people will prefer to look for someone who has the answers... like a personal trainer, who they will trust to know the actual truth and to offer them helpful knowledge.
And anyone can do it incorrectly, too, even those who are employed as personal trainers... to have that job title isn't actually a guarantee of knowledge or correctness. The choice to hire a personal trainer is about belief and confidence and assumption, as much as it is about training and research and knowledge and social factors.
I get your vibe, but what do you mean by "helpful in suspiciously-specific circumstances"? (You can edit your answer to make this more clear, as opposed to adding another comment.)
– Chris
Feb 10 at 5:18
@Chris - It just means something that is specific enough one should suspect that it is specific (ie, reasonable for one to not assume it's generic or generally applicable)... it's something of a set phrase I've heard, I'm willing to edit in a clarifying change once I come up with something that will explain properly without adding in paragraphs or else not actually clarifying.
– Megha
Feb 10 at 5:27
Do you have an example?
– Chris
Feb 10 at 16:53
@Chris - As I said, it's a set-phrase. The original example is a suspiciously-specific-denial, something like answering "hey, were you in that room" with "I didn't take the McGuffin!" (specific enough that it is clearly suspicious). In this context something like, this advice really helps that person, but clearly does so because of (presumably not common) medical circumstances - so that person, if they gave their advice as general advice, would be giving advice that is suspiciously specific to their own circumstances, ie, neither they nor anyone else should assume it applies to everyone.
– Megha
Feb 21 at 2:40
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There are many ways to answer this.
One, if a person buys a package of sessions from a personal trainer, and has scheduled an appointment and paid in advance, then that person has much greater motivation to actually get to the gym.
Two, maybe someone wants company while they work out. At the gym I go to, I listen to the personal trainers interact with their clients, and most of it consists of banter about the weather, sports, children, pets, movies, and such. These personal trainers provide a little distraction and pleasant company. Nothing wrong with that.
A third reason might be, that they hope a personal trainer will help them with technique and form. Having somebody watch you and give feedback about what your body is really doing can be extremely beneficial. Sometimes a trainer needs to physically manipulate a client's body to correct their movement pattern. However, from what I see at the gym, most personal trainers don't do enough of this. I've see lots of terrible form on display while personal trainers are chatting about the weather. So, some trainers are more diligent than others about giving clients useful feedback.
Fourth, even with the internet, there is work involved in putting together a itinerary of exercises. When I lead an exercise class, I compile exercises from a multitude of sources. A list of my sources would require a small book and I'm adding new sources every week. Some of my exercises come from scholarly research and aren't found on youtube. The average person is not going to invest this kind of time into compiling a workout itinerary. On the other hand, many personal trainers these days just copy their workouts from youtube videos. Again, what you get from a personal trainer depends on exactly who you hire and how much you are willing to pay.
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I will add to this that it is often difficult to observe how one is doing an exercise while doing it, especially when the exercise is pushing one's limits. Not only do personal trainers have a great deal of experience and education, but they're also not distracted by exercising while they do it!
– Cort Ammon
Feb 9 at 1:11
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I'd add to this, that a good personal trainer should actually tell a client to stop the exercise when their form starts to deteriorate. When people start working out on their own, most people will not have the experience to know when it is time to stop an exercise.
– Chris
Feb 9 at 2:20
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I have a PT for many of the reasons you mention: I lack the motivation to exercise regularly on my own, I lack the motivation to research routines and techniques, I can't tell when my form is good or bad, I am likely to stop too soon without someone encouraging me, I would be likely to focus too much in some areas and not enough in others.
– CJ Dennis
Feb 9 at 4:15
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There are many ways to answer this.
One, if a person buys a package of sessions from a personal trainer, and has scheduled an appointment and paid in advance, then that person has much greater motivation to actually get to the gym.
Two, maybe someone wants company while they work out. At the gym I go to, I listen to the personal trainers interact with their clients, and most of it consists of banter about the weather, sports, children, pets, movies, and such. These personal trainers provide a little distraction and pleasant company. Nothing wrong with that.
A third reason might be, that they hope a personal trainer will help them with technique and form. Having somebody watch you and give feedback about what your body is really doing can be extremely beneficial. Sometimes a trainer needs to physically manipulate a client's body to correct their movement pattern. However, from what I see at the gym, most personal trainers don't do enough of this. I've see lots of terrible form on display while personal trainers are chatting about the weather. So, some trainers are more diligent than others about giving clients useful feedback.
Fourth, even with the internet, there is work involved in putting together a itinerary of exercises. When I lead an exercise class, I compile exercises from a multitude of sources. A list of my sources would require a small book and I'm adding new sources every week. Some of my exercises come from scholarly research and aren't found on youtube. The average person is not going to invest this kind of time into compiling a workout itinerary. On the other hand, many personal trainers these days just copy their workouts from youtube videos. Again, what you get from a personal trainer depends on exactly who you hire and how much you are willing to pay.
8
I will add to this that it is often difficult to observe how one is doing an exercise while doing it, especially when the exercise is pushing one's limits. Not only do personal trainers have a great deal of experience and education, but they're also not distracted by exercising while they do it!
– Cort Ammon
Feb 9 at 1:11
1
I'd add to this, that a good personal trainer should actually tell a client to stop the exercise when their form starts to deteriorate. When people start working out on their own, most people will not have the experience to know when it is time to stop an exercise.
– Chris
Feb 9 at 2:20
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I have a PT for many of the reasons you mention: I lack the motivation to exercise regularly on my own, I lack the motivation to research routines and techniques, I can't tell when my form is good or bad, I am likely to stop too soon without someone encouraging me, I would be likely to focus too much in some areas and not enough in others.
– CJ Dennis
Feb 9 at 4:15
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There are many ways to answer this.
One, if a person buys a package of sessions from a personal trainer, and has scheduled an appointment and paid in advance, then that person has much greater motivation to actually get to the gym.
Two, maybe someone wants company while they work out. At the gym I go to, I listen to the personal trainers interact with their clients, and most of it consists of banter about the weather, sports, children, pets, movies, and such. These personal trainers provide a little distraction and pleasant company. Nothing wrong with that.
A third reason might be, that they hope a personal trainer will help them with technique and form. Having somebody watch you and give feedback about what your body is really doing can be extremely beneficial. Sometimes a trainer needs to physically manipulate a client's body to correct their movement pattern. However, from what I see at the gym, most personal trainers don't do enough of this. I've see lots of terrible form on display while personal trainers are chatting about the weather. So, some trainers are more diligent than others about giving clients useful feedback.
Fourth, even with the internet, there is work involved in putting together a itinerary of exercises. When I lead an exercise class, I compile exercises from a multitude of sources. A list of my sources would require a small book and I'm adding new sources every week. Some of my exercises come from scholarly research and aren't found on youtube. The average person is not going to invest this kind of time into compiling a workout itinerary. On the other hand, many personal trainers these days just copy their workouts from youtube videos. Again, what you get from a personal trainer depends on exactly who you hire and how much you are willing to pay.
There are many ways to answer this.
One, if a person buys a package of sessions from a personal trainer, and has scheduled an appointment and paid in advance, then that person has much greater motivation to actually get to the gym.
Two, maybe someone wants company while they work out. At the gym I go to, I listen to the personal trainers interact with their clients, and most of it consists of banter about the weather, sports, children, pets, movies, and such. These personal trainers provide a little distraction and pleasant company. Nothing wrong with that.
A third reason might be, that they hope a personal trainer will help them with technique and form. Having somebody watch you and give feedback about what your body is really doing can be extremely beneficial. Sometimes a trainer needs to physically manipulate a client's body to correct their movement pattern. However, from what I see at the gym, most personal trainers don't do enough of this. I've see lots of terrible form on display while personal trainers are chatting about the weather. So, some trainers are more diligent than others about giving clients useful feedback.
Fourth, even with the internet, there is work involved in putting together a itinerary of exercises. When I lead an exercise class, I compile exercises from a multitude of sources. A list of my sources would require a small book and I'm adding new sources every week. Some of my exercises come from scholarly research and aren't found on youtube. The average person is not going to invest this kind of time into compiling a workout itinerary. On the other hand, many personal trainers these days just copy their workouts from youtube videos. Again, what you get from a personal trainer depends on exactly who you hire and how much you are willing to pay.
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I will add to this that it is often difficult to observe how one is doing an exercise while doing it, especially when the exercise is pushing one's limits. Not only do personal trainers have a great deal of experience and education, but they're also not distracted by exercising while they do it!
– Cort Ammon
Feb 9 at 1:11
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I'd add to this, that a good personal trainer should actually tell a client to stop the exercise when their form starts to deteriorate. When people start working out on their own, most people will not have the experience to know when it is time to stop an exercise.
– Chris
Feb 9 at 2:20
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I have a PT for many of the reasons you mention: I lack the motivation to exercise regularly on my own, I lack the motivation to research routines and techniques, I can't tell when my form is good or bad, I am likely to stop too soon without someone encouraging me, I would be likely to focus too much in some areas and not enough in others.
– CJ Dennis
Feb 9 at 4:15
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I will add to this that it is often difficult to observe how one is doing an exercise while doing it, especially when the exercise is pushing one's limits. Not only do personal trainers have a great deal of experience and education, but they're also not distracted by exercising while they do it!
– Cort Ammon
Feb 9 at 1:11
1
I'd add to this, that a good personal trainer should actually tell a client to stop the exercise when their form starts to deteriorate. When people start working out on their own, most people will not have the experience to know when it is time to stop an exercise.
– Chris
Feb 9 at 2:20
2
I have a PT for many of the reasons you mention: I lack the motivation to exercise regularly on my own, I lack the motivation to research routines and techniques, I can't tell when my form is good or bad, I am likely to stop too soon without someone encouraging me, I would be likely to focus too much in some areas and not enough in others.
– CJ Dennis
Feb 9 at 4:15
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I will add to this that it is often difficult to observe how one is doing an exercise while doing it, especially when the exercise is pushing one's limits. Not only do personal trainers have a great deal of experience and education, but they're also not distracted by exercising while they do it!
– Cort Ammon
Feb 9 at 1:11
I will add to this that it is often difficult to observe how one is doing an exercise while doing it, especially when the exercise is pushing one's limits. Not only do personal trainers have a great deal of experience and education, but they're also not distracted by exercising while they do it!
– Cort Ammon
Feb 9 at 1:11
1
1
I'd add to this, that a good personal trainer should actually tell a client to stop the exercise when their form starts to deteriorate. When people start working out on their own, most people will not have the experience to know when it is time to stop an exercise.
– Chris
Feb 9 at 2:20
I'd add to this, that a good personal trainer should actually tell a client to stop the exercise when their form starts to deteriorate. When people start working out on their own, most people will not have the experience to know when it is time to stop an exercise.
– Chris
Feb 9 at 2:20
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I have a PT for many of the reasons you mention: I lack the motivation to exercise regularly on my own, I lack the motivation to research routines and techniques, I can't tell when my form is good or bad, I am likely to stop too soon without someone encouraging me, I would be likely to focus too much in some areas and not enough in others.
– CJ Dennis
Feb 9 at 4:15
I have a PT for many of the reasons you mention: I lack the motivation to exercise regularly on my own, I lack the motivation to research routines and techniques, I can't tell when my form is good or bad, I am likely to stop too soon without someone encouraging me, I would be likely to focus too much in some areas and not enough in others.
– CJ Dennis
Feb 9 at 4:15
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We know a lot about the human body in general, such as how
- weight training tears down muscle fibres
- the body builds muscle fibres back up, better and stronger
- the body needs adequate food and rest for rebuilding muscle
- the shoulder joint is easily damaged from anterior internal rotation
- deadlifts place a lot of strain on the spine if the back muscles are not properly engaged
etc. This is information one can learn from reading books and studies online.
However, we also differ in a lot of areas, such as how
- some people have short tendons, and need to deadlift differently
- some people have shortened hip flexors
- some people sit a lot
- some people have an anterior pelvic tilt
- some people have a posterior pelvic tilt
- some people have weak hip flexors
- some people respond better to high volume training
- some people respond better to high intensity training
etc. This is information that trainers are educated on diagnosing and helping you treat, by creating workout plans specifically designed for your body in particular. Not only to get you started, but also to appropriately adjust the plan as you progress, and as you plateau.
A lot of this can be diagnosed and treated and planned for by yourself, but you would have to do a LOT more reading and studying to get there, and there's less of a guarantee of success, because you can't always trust what you read on the Internet.
So, to sum up: Hiring a personal trainer is something we do to either get help getting started, or to get a second opinion on what we're already doing.
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you should provide references for your "We know a lot about the human body". Some of it is made up, such as "deadlifts place a lot of strain on the spine if the back muscles are not properly engaged". What does that even mean "properly engaged"? where did you got this? please don't nocebo readers
– aaaaaa
Feb 9 at 20:09
add a comment |
We know a lot about the human body in general, such as how
- weight training tears down muscle fibres
- the body builds muscle fibres back up, better and stronger
- the body needs adequate food and rest for rebuilding muscle
- the shoulder joint is easily damaged from anterior internal rotation
- deadlifts place a lot of strain on the spine if the back muscles are not properly engaged
etc. This is information one can learn from reading books and studies online.
However, we also differ in a lot of areas, such as how
- some people have short tendons, and need to deadlift differently
- some people have shortened hip flexors
- some people sit a lot
- some people have an anterior pelvic tilt
- some people have a posterior pelvic tilt
- some people have weak hip flexors
- some people respond better to high volume training
- some people respond better to high intensity training
etc. This is information that trainers are educated on diagnosing and helping you treat, by creating workout plans specifically designed for your body in particular. Not only to get you started, but also to appropriately adjust the plan as you progress, and as you plateau.
A lot of this can be diagnosed and treated and planned for by yourself, but you would have to do a LOT more reading and studying to get there, and there's less of a guarantee of success, because you can't always trust what you read on the Internet.
So, to sum up: Hiring a personal trainer is something we do to either get help getting started, or to get a second opinion on what we're already doing.
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you should provide references for your "We know a lot about the human body". Some of it is made up, such as "deadlifts place a lot of strain on the spine if the back muscles are not properly engaged". What does that even mean "properly engaged"? where did you got this? please don't nocebo readers
– aaaaaa
Feb 9 at 20:09
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We know a lot about the human body in general, such as how
- weight training tears down muscle fibres
- the body builds muscle fibres back up, better and stronger
- the body needs adequate food and rest for rebuilding muscle
- the shoulder joint is easily damaged from anterior internal rotation
- deadlifts place a lot of strain on the spine if the back muscles are not properly engaged
etc. This is information one can learn from reading books and studies online.
However, we also differ in a lot of areas, such as how
- some people have short tendons, and need to deadlift differently
- some people have shortened hip flexors
- some people sit a lot
- some people have an anterior pelvic tilt
- some people have a posterior pelvic tilt
- some people have weak hip flexors
- some people respond better to high volume training
- some people respond better to high intensity training
etc. This is information that trainers are educated on diagnosing and helping you treat, by creating workout plans specifically designed for your body in particular. Not only to get you started, but also to appropriately adjust the plan as you progress, and as you plateau.
A lot of this can be diagnosed and treated and planned for by yourself, but you would have to do a LOT more reading and studying to get there, and there's less of a guarantee of success, because you can't always trust what you read on the Internet.
So, to sum up: Hiring a personal trainer is something we do to either get help getting started, or to get a second opinion on what we're already doing.
We know a lot about the human body in general, such as how
- weight training tears down muscle fibres
- the body builds muscle fibres back up, better and stronger
- the body needs adequate food and rest for rebuilding muscle
- the shoulder joint is easily damaged from anterior internal rotation
- deadlifts place a lot of strain on the spine if the back muscles are not properly engaged
etc. This is information one can learn from reading books and studies online.
However, we also differ in a lot of areas, such as how
- some people have short tendons, and need to deadlift differently
- some people have shortened hip flexors
- some people sit a lot
- some people have an anterior pelvic tilt
- some people have a posterior pelvic tilt
- some people have weak hip flexors
- some people respond better to high volume training
- some people respond better to high intensity training
etc. This is information that trainers are educated on diagnosing and helping you treat, by creating workout plans specifically designed for your body in particular. Not only to get you started, but also to appropriately adjust the plan as you progress, and as you plateau.
A lot of this can be diagnosed and treated and planned for by yourself, but you would have to do a LOT more reading and studying to get there, and there's less of a guarantee of success, because you can't always trust what you read on the Internet.
So, to sum up: Hiring a personal trainer is something we do to either get help getting started, or to get a second opinion on what we're already doing.
answered Feb 8 at 23:15
Alec♦Alec
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you should provide references for your "We know a lot about the human body". Some of it is made up, such as "deadlifts place a lot of strain on the spine if the back muscles are not properly engaged". What does that even mean "properly engaged"? where did you got this? please don't nocebo readers
– aaaaaa
Feb 9 at 20:09
add a comment |
1
you should provide references for your "We know a lot about the human body". Some of it is made up, such as "deadlifts place a lot of strain on the spine if the back muscles are not properly engaged". What does that even mean "properly engaged"? where did you got this? please don't nocebo readers
– aaaaaa
Feb 9 at 20:09
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1
you should provide references for your "We know a lot about the human body". Some of it is made up, such as "deadlifts place a lot of strain on the spine if the back muscles are not properly engaged". What does that even mean "properly engaged"? where did you got this? please don't nocebo readers
– aaaaaa
Feb 9 at 20:09
you should provide references for your "We know a lot about the human body". Some of it is made up, such as "deadlifts place a lot of strain on the spine if the back muscles are not properly engaged". What does that even mean "properly engaged"? where did you got this? please don't nocebo readers
– aaaaaa
Feb 9 at 20:09
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Probably the most common reason is that many people simply don't care about how fitness works, but would like to get/stay fit. Or, they have a lot on their plate and don't have the headspace to construct fitness routines or reflect on their progress.
A decent analogy is tech support. Many people simply don't care about how computers work, or don't have time to waste researching their problem on the web. They may be intelligent people (like a doctor, say) but they would rather pay someone to solve their computer problem (indeed sometimes being given instructions over the phone/screenshare).
I have chronic illnesses and have spent a vast amount of time researching their management. But I simply don't care about analysing blood test results. I'm quite happy to pay a doctor to interpret my cell counts, thyroid function, antibodies, triglycerides, drug concentrations, liver and kidney function, etc. etc.
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Probably the most common reason is that many people simply don't care about how fitness works, but would like to get/stay fit. Or, they have a lot on their plate and don't have the headspace to construct fitness routines or reflect on their progress.
A decent analogy is tech support. Many people simply don't care about how computers work, or don't have time to waste researching their problem on the web. They may be intelligent people (like a doctor, say) but they would rather pay someone to solve their computer problem (indeed sometimes being given instructions over the phone/screenshare).
I have chronic illnesses and have spent a vast amount of time researching their management. But I simply don't care about analysing blood test results. I'm quite happy to pay a doctor to interpret my cell counts, thyroid function, antibodies, triglycerides, drug concentrations, liver and kidney function, etc. etc.
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Probably the most common reason is that many people simply don't care about how fitness works, but would like to get/stay fit. Or, they have a lot on their plate and don't have the headspace to construct fitness routines or reflect on their progress.
A decent analogy is tech support. Many people simply don't care about how computers work, or don't have time to waste researching their problem on the web. They may be intelligent people (like a doctor, say) but they would rather pay someone to solve their computer problem (indeed sometimes being given instructions over the phone/screenshare).
I have chronic illnesses and have spent a vast amount of time researching their management. But I simply don't care about analysing blood test results. I'm quite happy to pay a doctor to interpret my cell counts, thyroid function, antibodies, triglycerides, drug concentrations, liver and kidney function, etc. etc.
Probably the most common reason is that many people simply don't care about how fitness works, but would like to get/stay fit. Or, they have a lot on their plate and don't have the headspace to construct fitness routines or reflect on their progress.
A decent analogy is tech support. Many people simply don't care about how computers work, or don't have time to waste researching their problem on the web. They may be intelligent people (like a doctor, say) but they would rather pay someone to solve their computer problem (indeed sometimes being given instructions over the phone/screenshare).
I have chronic illnesses and have spent a vast amount of time researching their management. But I simply don't care about analysing blood test results. I'm quite happy to pay a doctor to interpret my cell counts, thyroid function, antibodies, triglycerides, drug concentrations, liver and kidney function, etc. etc.
answered Feb 10 at 10:26
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I will respond from my personal experience as I have started working out about a year and a half ago and I've used a personal trainer throughout and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.
My reasons are in order from most important:
Motivation - If I have an appointment with my trainer I'm sure to go because someone is waiting for me. I will go on my own sometime but it's rare because there is always some work that needs to be done.
Correct technique and exercise choice - even if I read up online or watched videos I wouldn't be able to properly judge my technique and I probably would have trouble figuring out what exactly I should be exercising. Also I would never consider trying weights he gives me believing I couldn't manage them. And for many it would be true without a spotter anyway.
Exercise modification on the fly - One of the reasons I started exercising were shoulder pains which didn't want to go away for a couple years. My trainer was able to come up with exercises which worked around them and eventually managed to get rid of them completely. I don't have great mobility in general though so often when I get pain from some exercise which is unhealthy and related to mobility rather than the exercise my trainer comes up with a different exercise for the same muscle (group) where my lack of mobility is not a problem.
Time & variety - My trainer has a bachelor's in physical education and is working on his masters. I don't know how long it takes him to set up a session for me but I would certainly take a fair amount of extra time for each session probably half an hour or more. This way I just go to the gym say hi and than go through the exercises he prepared. Saves me time and also gives me more variety. I would certainly never consider that doing squats on a medicine ball or an exercise ball would even be a possibility and now I'm able to climb on one without using my hands.
All of these are very important for me and I'm sure without a sparring partner of some kind I wouldn't be exercising nearly as diligently or as well. So the cost of the Trainer is well covered by the results he brings.
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I will respond from my personal experience as I have started working out about a year and a half ago and I've used a personal trainer throughout and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.
My reasons are in order from most important:
Motivation - If I have an appointment with my trainer I'm sure to go because someone is waiting for me. I will go on my own sometime but it's rare because there is always some work that needs to be done.
Correct technique and exercise choice - even if I read up online or watched videos I wouldn't be able to properly judge my technique and I probably would have trouble figuring out what exactly I should be exercising. Also I would never consider trying weights he gives me believing I couldn't manage them. And for many it would be true without a spotter anyway.
Exercise modification on the fly - One of the reasons I started exercising were shoulder pains which didn't want to go away for a couple years. My trainer was able to come up with exercises which worked around them and eventually managed to get rid of them completely. I don't have great mobility in general though so often when I get pain from some exercise which is unhealthy and related to mobility rather than the exercise my trainer comes up with a different exercise for the same muscle (group) where my lack of mobility is not a problem.
Time & variety - My trainer has a bachelor's in physical education and is working on his masters. I don't know how long it takes him to set up a session for me but I would certainly take a fair amount of extra time for each session probably half an hour or more. This way I just go to the gym say hi and than go through the exercises he prepared. Saves me time and also gives me more variety. I would certainly never consider that doing squats on a medicine ball or an exercise ball would even be a possibility and now I'm able to climb on one without using my hands.
All of these are very important for me and I'm sure without a sparring partner of some kind I wouldn't be exercising nearly as diligently or as well. So the cost of the Trainer is well covered by the results he brings.
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I will respond from my personal experience as I have started working out about a year and a half ago and I've used a personal trainer throughout and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.
My reasons are in order from most important:
Motivation - If I have an appointment with my trainer I'm sure to go because someone is waiting for me. I will go on my own sometime but it's rare because there is always some work that needs to be done.
Correct technique and exercise choice - even if I read up online or watched videos I wouldn't be able to properly judge my technique and I probably would have trouble figuring out what exactly I should be exercising. Also I would never consider trying weights he gives me believing I couldn't manage them. And for many it would be true without a spotter anyway.
Exercise modification on the fly - One of the reasons I started exercising were shoulder pains which didn't want to go away for a couple years. My trainer was able to come up with exercises which worked around them and eventually managed to get rid of them completely. I don't have great mobility in general though so often when I get pain from some exercise which is unhealthy and related to mobility rather than the exercise my trainer comes up with a different exercise for the same muscle (group) where my lack of mobility is not a problem.
Time & variety - My trainer has a bachelor's in physical education and is working on his masters. I don't know how long it takes him to set up a session for me but I would certainly take a fair amount of extra time for each session probably half an hour or more. This way I just go to the gym say hi and than go through the exercises he prepared. Saves me time and also gives me more variety. I would certainly never consider that doing squats on a medicine ball or an exercise ball would even be a possibility and now I'm able to climb on one without using my hands.
All of these are very important for me and I'm sure without a sparring partner of some kind I wouldn't be exercising nearly as diligently or as well. So the cost of the Trainer is well covered by the results he brings.
I will respond from my personal experience as I have started working out about a year and a half ago and I've used a personal trainer throughout and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.
My reasons are in order from most important:
Motivation - If I have an appointment with my trainer I'm sure to go because someone is waiting for me. I will go on my own sometime but it's rare because there is always some work that needs to be done.
Correct technique and exercise choice - even if I read up online or watched videos I wouldn't be able to properly judge my technique and I probably would have trouble figuring out what exactly I should be exercising. Also I would never consider trying weights he gives me believing I couldn't manage them. And for many it would be true without a spotter anyway.
Exercise modification on the fly - One of the reasons I started exercising were shoulder pains which didn't want to go away for a couple years. My trainer was able to come up with exercises which worked around them and eventually managed to get rid of them completely. I don't have great mobility in general though so often when I get pain from some exercise which is unhealthy and related to mobility rather than the exercise my trainer comes up with a different exercise for the same muscle (group) where my lack of mobility is not a problem.
Time & variety - My trainer has a bachelor's in physical education and is working on his masters. I don't know how long it takes him to set up a session for me but I would certainly take a fair amount of extra time for each session probably half an hour or more. This way I just go to the gym say hi and than go through the exercises he prepared. Saves me time and also gives me more variety. I would certainly never consider that doing squats on a medicine ball or an exercise ball would even be a possibility and now I'm able to climb on one without using my hands.
All of these are very important for me and I'm sure without a sparring partner of some kind I wouldn't be exercising nearly as diligently or as well. So the cost of the Trainer is well covered by the results he brings.
answered Feb 9 at 9:04
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there is such an abundance of exercise knowledge on the internet
That is confusing different things.
Back in the day, like Aristotle back in the day, the word "knowledge" was (at least) two words:
Episteme: scientific knowledge, or know-what
Techne: craftsmanship, or know-how
You can get the former for free on the internet. The internet is not really an ideal medium for the second kind of knowledge. If you already have a firm base you may be able to score some pointers on Techne, but you won't be able to really get there just by e.g. watching youtube videos, no matter how well produced.
People who hire personal trainers are angling for the second type of knowledge.
To add a personal anecdote: I can power clean my body weight, which while not very impressive by competitive lifting standards, isn't bad for a hobbyist pushing 40. I am extremely skeptical that a normal unfit person can get to that point without expert help.
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there is such an abundance of exercise knowledge on the internet
That is confusing different things.
Back in the day, like Aristotle back in the day, the word "knowledge" was (at least) two words:
Episteme: scientific knowledge, or know-what
Techne: craftsmanship, or know-how
You can get the former for free on the internet. The internet is not really an ideal medium for the second kind of knowledge. If you already have a firm base you may be able to score some pointers on Techne, but you won't be able to really get there just by e.g. watching youtube videos, no matter how well produced.
People who hire personal trainers are angling for the second type of knowledge.
To add a personal anecdote: I can power clean my body weight, which while not very impressive by competitive lifting standards, isn't bad for a hobbyist pushing 40. I am extremely skeptical that a normal unfit person can get to that point without expert help.
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there is such an abundance of exercise knowledge on the internet
That is confusing different things.
Back in the day, like Aristotle back in the day, the word "knowledge" was (at least) two words:
Episteme: scientific knowledge, or know-what
Techne: craftsmanship, or know-how
You can get the former for free on the internet. The internet is not really an ideal medium for the second kind of knowledge. If you already have a firm base you may be able to score some pointers on Techne, but you won't be able to really get there just by e.g. watching youtube videos, no matter how well produced.
People who hire personal trainers are angling for the second type of knowledge.
To add a personal anecdote: I can power clean my body weight, which while not very impressive by competitive lifting standards, isn't bad for a hobbyist pushing 40. I am extremely skeptical that a normal unfit person can get to that point without expert help.
there is such an abundance of exercise knowledge on the internet
That is confusing different things.
Back in the day, like Aristotle back in the day, the word "knowledge" was (at least) two words:
Episteme: scientific knowledge, or know-what
Techne: craftsmanship, or know-how
You can get the former for free on the internet. The internet is not really an ideal medium for the second kind of knowledge. If you already have a firm base you may be able to score some pointers on Techne, but you won't be able to really get there just by e.g. watching youtube videos, no matter how well produced.
People who hire personal trainers are angling for the second type of knowledge.
To add a personal anecdote: I can power clean my body weight, which while not very impressive by competitive lifting standards, isn't bad for a hobbyist pushing 40. I am extremely skeptical that a normal unfit person can get to that point without expert help.
answered Feb 10 at 13:45
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In addition to the very good answers already present, which deal with motivation, specialized adjustments and feedback, I would also like to add that having access to an abundance of information about exercise on the internet, is not the same thing as having access to an abundance of exclusively good, complete, or unproblematic exercise information on the internet.
There is information on the internet that is really good, and will help the reader, and there is information that is a bit helpful (but often less then it seems), or that is sometimes helpful and sometimes not, or helpful in suspiciously-specific circumstances. And then there's information that might cause problems if wrongfully applied, or just be unproven or even be wrong information, or otherwise not be fit for the one researching or the suspiciously-specific circumstances that might apply to the one researching.
This isn't, by the way, me picking on the abundance of exercise information on the internets, it is true of any abundance of information on the internets, from cooking to crafting to academic analysis to career development to personal comportment. People believe things, and the act of believing doesn't come with a fact checker - and then they write down their actual beliefs and assumptions, whether the underlying cause works as they think it does, or whether these beliefs or advice work for anyone else or not.
So it does take still, and research, and prior knowledge to pick the really useful bits of information out of the minorly useful, situational, not useful, or outright wrong bits of information. Anyone can do it, sure, but it can be a nontrivial effort to do so correctly. So some people will prefer to look for someone who has the answers... like a personal trainer, who they will trust to know the actual truth and to offer them helpful knowledge.
And anyone can do it incorrectly, too, even those who are employed as personal trainers... to have that job title isn't actually a guarantee of knowledge or correctness. The choice to hire a personal trainer is about belief and confidence and assumption, as much as it is about training and research and knowledge and social factors.
I get your vibe, but what do you mean by "helpful in suspiciously-specific circumstances"? (You can edit your answer to make this more clear, as opposed to adding another comment.)
– Chris
Feb 10 at 5:18
@Chris - It just means something that is specific enough one should suspect that it is specific (ie, reasonable for one to not assume it's generic or generally applicable)... it's something of a set phrase I've heard, I'm willing to edit in a clarifying change once I come up with something that will explain properly without adding in paragraphs or else not actually clarifying.
– Megha
Feb 10 at 5:27
Do you have an example?
– Chris
Feb 10 at 16:53
@Chris - As I said, it's a set-phrase. The original example is a suspiciously-specific-denial, something like answering "hey, were you in that room" with "I didn't take the McGuffin!" (specific enough that it is clearly suspicious). In this context something like, this advice really helps that person, but clearly does so because of (presumably not common) medical circumstances - so that person, if they gave their advice as general advice, would be giving advice that is suspiciously specific to their own circumstances, ie, neither they nor anyone else should assume it applies to everyone.
– Megha
Feb 21 at 2:40
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In addition to the very good answers already present, which deal with motivation, specialized adjustments and feedback, I would also like to add that having access to an abundance of information about exercise on the internet, is not the same thing as having access to an abundance of exclusively good, complete, or unproblematic exercise information on the internet.
There is information on the internet that is really good, and will help the reader, and there is information that is a bit helpful (but often less then it seems), or that is sometimes helpful and sometimes not, or helpful in suspiciously-specific circumstances. And then there's information that might cause problems if wrongfully applied, or just be unproven or even be wrong information, or otherwise not be fit for the one researching or the suspiciously-specific circumstances that might apply to the one researching.
This isn't, by the way, me picking on the abundance of exercise information on the internets, it is true of any abundance of information on the internets, from cooking to crafting to academic analysis to career development to personal comportment. People believe things, and the act of believing doesn't come with a fact checker - and then they write down their actual beliefs and assumptions, whether the underlying cause works as they think it does, or whether these beliefs or advice work for anyone else or not.
So it does take still, and research, and prior knowledge to pick the really useful bits of information out of the minorly useful, situational, not useful, or outright wrong bits of information. Anyone can do it, sure, but it can be a nontrivial effort to do so correctly. So some people will prefer to look for someone who has the answers... like a personal trainer, who they will trust to know the actual truth and to offer them helpful knowledge.
And anyone can do it incorrectly, too, even those who are employed as personal trainers... to have that job title isn't actually a guarantee of knowledge or correctness. The choice to hire a personal trainer is about belief and confidence and assumption, as much as it is about training and research and knowledge and social factors.
I get your vibe, but what do you mean by "helpful in suspiciously-specific circumstances"? (You can edit your answer to make this more clear, as opposed to adding another comment.)
– Chris
Feb 10 at 5:18
@Chris - It just means something that is specific enough one should suspect that it is specific (ie, reasonable for one to not assume it's generic or generally applicable)... it's something of a set phrase I've heard, I'm willing to edit in a clarifying change once I come up with something that will explain properly without adding in paragraphs or else not actually clarifying.
– Megha
Feb 10 at 5:27
Do you have an example?
– Chris
Feb 10 at 16:53
@Chris - As I said, it's a set-phrase. The original example is a suspiciously-specific-denial, something like answering "hey, were you in that room" with "I didn't take the McGuffin!" (specific enough that it is clearly suspicious). In this context something like, this advice really helps that person, but clearly does so because of (presumably not common) medical circumstances - so that person, if they gave their advice as general advice, would be giving advice that is suspiciously specific to their own circumstances, ie, neither they nor anyone else should assume it applies to everyone.
– Megha
Feb 21 at 2:40
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In addition to the very good answers already present, which deal with motivation, specialized adjustments and feedback, I would also like to add that having access to an abundance of information about exercise on the internet, is not the same thing as having access to an abundance of exclusively good, complete, or unproblematic exercise information on the internet.
There is information on the internet that is really good, and will help the reader, and there is information that is a bit helpful (but often less then it seems), or that is sometimes helpful and sometimes not, or helpful in suspiciously-specific circumstances. And then there's information that might cause problems if wrongfully applied, or just be unproven or even be wrong information, or otherwise not be fit for the one researching or the suspiciously-specific circumstances that might apply to the one researching.
This isn't, by the way, me picking on the abundance of exercise information on the internets, it is true of any abundance of information on the internets, from cooking to crafting to academic analysis to career development to personal comportment. People believe things, and the act of believing doesn't come with a fact checker - and then they write down their actual beliefs and assumptions, whether the underlying cause works as they think it does, or whether these beliefs or advice work for anyone else or not.
So it does take still, and research, and prior knowledge to pick the really useful bits of information out of the minorly useful, situational, not useful, or outright wrong bits of information. Anyone can do it, sure, but it can be a nontrivial effort to do so correctly. So some people will prefer to look for someone who has the answers... like a personal trainer, who they will trust to know the actual truth and to offer them helpful knowledge.
And anyone can do it incorrectly, too, even those who are employed as personal trainers... to have that job title isn't actually a guarantee of knowledge or correctness. The choice to hire a personal trainer is about belief and confidence and assumption, as much as it is about training and research and knowledge and social factors.
In addition to the very good answers already present, which deal with motivation, specialized adjustments and feedback, I would also like to add that having access to an abundance of information about exercise on the internet, is not the same thing as having access to an abundance of exclusively good, complete, or unproblematic exercise information on the internet.
There is information on the internet that is really good, and will help the reader, and there is information that is a bit helpful (but often less then it seems), or that is sometimes helpful and sometimes not, or helpful in suspiciously-specific circumstances. And then there's information that might cause problems if wrongfully applied, or just be unproven or even be wrong information, or otherwise not be fit for the one researching or the suspiciously-specific circumstances that might apply to the one researching.
This isn't, by the way, me picking on the abundance of exercise information on the internets, it is true of any abundance of information on the internets, from cooking to crafting to academic analysis to career development to personal comportment. People believe things, and the act of believing doesn't come with a fact checker - and then they write down their actual beliefs and assumptions, whether the underlying cause works as they think it does, or whether these beliefs or advice work for anyone else or not.
So it does take still, and research, and prior knowledge to pick the really useful bits of information out of the minorly useful, situational, not useful, or outright wrong bits of information. Anyone can do it, sure, but it can be a nontrivial effort to do so correctly. So some people will prefer to look for someone who has the answers... like a personal trainer, who they will trust to know the actual truth and to offer them helpful knowledge.
And anyone can do it incorrectly, too, even those who are employed as personal trainers... to have that job title isn't actually a guarantee of knowledge or correctness. The choice to hire a personal trainer is about belief and confidence and assumption, as much as it is about training and research and knowledge and social factors.
answered Feb 10 at 4:29
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I get your vibe, but what do you mean by "helpful in suspiciously-specific circumstances"? (You can edit your answer to make this more clear, as opposed to adding another comment.)
– Chris
Feb 10 at 5:18
@Chris - It just means something that is specific enough one should suspect that it is specific (ie, reasonable for one to not assume it's generic or generally applicable)... it's something of a set phrase I've heard, I'm willing to edit in a clarifying change once I come up with something that will explain properly without adding in paragraphs or else not actually clarifying.
– Megha
Feb 10 at 5:27
Do you have an example?
– Chris
Feb 10 at 16:53
@Chris - As I said, it's a set-phrase. The original example is a suspiciously-specific-denial, something like answering "hey, were you in that room" with "I didn't take the McGuffin!" (specific enough that it is clearly suspicious). In this context something like, this advice really helps that person, but clearly does so because of (presumably not common) medical circumstances - so that person, if they gave their advice as general advice, would be giving advice that is suspiciously specific to their own circumstances, ie, neither they nor anyone else should assume it applies to everyone.
– Megha
Feb 21 at 2:40
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I get your vibe, but what do you mean by "helpful in suspiciously-specific circumstances"? (You can edit your answer to make this more clear, as opposed to adding another comment.)
– Chris
Feb 10 at 5:18
@Chris - It just means something that is specific enough one should suspect that it is specific (ie, reasonable for one to not assume it's generic or generally applicable)... it's something of a set phrase I've heard, I'm willing to edit in a clarifying change once I come up with something that will explain properly without adding in paragraphs or else not actually clarifying.
– Megha
Feb 10 at 5:27
Do you have an example?
– Chris
Feb 10 at 16:53
@Chris - As I said, it's a set-phrase. The original example is a suspiciously-specific-denial, something like answering "hey, were you in that room" with "I didn't take the McGuffin!" (specific enough that it is clearly suspicious). In this context something like, this advice really helps that person, but clearly does so because of (presumably not common) medical circumstances - so that person, if they gave their advice as general advice, would be giving advice that is suspiciously specific to their own circumstances, ie, neither they nor anyone else should assume it applies to everyone.
– Megha
Feb 21 at 2:40
I get your vibe, but what do you mean by "helpful in suspiciously-specific circumstances"? (You can edit your answer to make this more clear, as opposed to adding another comment.)
– Chris
Feb 10 at 5:18
I get your vibe, but what do you mean by "helpful in suspiciously-specific circumstances"? (You can edit your answer to make this more clear, as opposed to adding another comment.)
– Chris
Feb 10 at 5:18
@Chris - It just means something that is specific enough one should suspect that it is specific (ie, reasonable for one to not assume it's generic or generally applicable)... it's something of a set phrase I've heard, I'm willing to edit in a clarifying change once I come up with something that will explain properly without adding in paragraphs or else not actually clarifying.
– Megha
Feb 10 at 5:27
@Chris - It just means something that is specific enough one should suspect that it is specific (ie, reasonable for one to not assume it's generic or generally applicable)... it's something of a set phrase I've heard, I'm willing to edit in a clarifying change once I come up with something that will explain properly without adding in paragraphs or else not actually clarifying.
– Megha
Feb 10 at 5:27
Do you have an example?
– Chris
Feb 10 at 16:53
Do you have an example?
– Chris
Feb 10 at 16:53
@Chris - As I said, it's a set-phrase. The original example is a suspiciously-specific-denial, something like answering "hey, were you in that room" with "I didn't take the McGuffin!" (specific enough that it is clearly suspicious). In this context something like, this advice really helps that person, but clearly does so because of (presumably not common) medical circumstances - so that person, if they gave their advice as general advice, would be giving advice that is suspiciously specific to their own circumstances, ie, neither they nor anyone else should assume it applies to everyone.
– Megha
Feb 21 at 2:40
@Chris - As I said, it's a set-phrase. The original example is a suspiciously-specific-denial, something like answering "hey, were you in that room" with "I didn't take the McGuffin!" (specific enough that it is clearly suspicious). In this context something like, this advice really helps that person, but clearly does so because of (presumably not common) medical circumstances - so that person, if they gave their advice as general advice, would be giving advice that is suspiciously specific to their own circumstances, ie, neither they nor anyone else should assume it applies to everyone.
– Megha
Feb 21 at 2:40
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I am a professional IT consultant. I am self-taught on nearly everything I know, and expert-level programming knowledge is available on the Internet. Why do people still hire programmers?
– chrylis
Feb 9 at 7:29
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@chrylis your analogy doesn't work, because the programmers being hired aren't being paid to teach their employers how to program
– user3163495
Feb 9 at 19:25
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@user3163495 I'd argue the analogy does work, because the personal trainers being hired aren't (mainly) being paid to teach their employers exercise knowledge.
– Peteris
Feb 9 at 19:59
Precisely what @Peteris says.
– chrylis
Feb 10 at 0:16
Why do people hire tennis coaches when there are always plenty of professional tennis players on videos that they can watch.
– Fogmeister
Feb 10 at 14:52