Weaponising the Tesla earthquake machine or modern equivalent
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In 1935 at his annual birthday party/press meeting a 79-year-old Tesla
related a story where he claimed a version of his mechanical
oscillator caused extreme vibrations in structures and even an
earthquake in downtown New York City ... Tesla said the oscillator was around 7 inches (18 cm) long, and weighing one or two pounds; something "you could put
in your overcoat pocket". At one point while experimenting with the
oscillator, he alleged it generated a resonance in several buildings
causing complaints to the police. As the speed grew he said that the
machine oscillated at the resonance frequency of his own building and,
belatedly realizing the danger, he was forced to use a sledge hammer
to terminate the experiment.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla%27s_oscillator
I am looking at ways to weaponize this machine.
(1) By creating an earthquake to disrupt attackers besieging one's camp/fortress.
(2) By focusing an Earthquake right through the Earth to destroy someone directly opposite (antipodean).
(3) Destroying a planet.
Question (EDITED)
Focusing for the moment on local effects:
Using technology up to the present era could we build and weaponize a vibration machine to create widespread destruction in an area of say a mile or two in diameter. This would be 'clean' in relation to nuclear or even conventional weapons. It could destroy buildings and infrastructure and disrupt enemy troops without lasting environmental effects.
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In 1935 at his annual birthday party/press meeting a 79-year-old Tesla
related a story where he claimed a version of his mechanical
oscillator caused extreme vibrations in structures and even an
earthquake in downtown New York City ... Tesla said the oscillator was around 7 inches (18 cm) long, and weighing one or two pounds; something "you could put
in your overcoat pocket". At one point while experimenting with the
oscillator, he alleged it generated a resonance in several buildings
causing complaints to the police. As the speed grew he said that the
machine oscillated at the resonance frequency of his own building and,
belatedly realizing the danger, he was forced to use a sledge hammer
to terminate the experiment.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla%27s_oscillator
I am looking at ways to weaponize this machine.
(1) By creating an earthquake to disrupt attackers besieging one's camp/fortress.
(2) By focusing an Earthquake right through the Earth to destroy someone directly opposite (antipodean).
(3) Destroying a planet.
Question (EDITED)
Focusing for the moment on local effects:
Using technology up to the present era could we build and weaponize a vibration machine to create widespread destruction in an area of say a mile or two in diameter. This would be 'clean' in relation to nuclear or even conventional weapons. It could destroy buildings and infrastructure and disrupt enemy troops without lasting environmental effects.
science-based reality-check warfare weapons weapon-mass-destruction
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The natural frequency of a building is a known consideration that's part of standard earthquake control design. Hence it would work in the time of Tesla or on buildings left over from that period, but it would not work on a modern building.
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– Separatrix
Jan 25 at 15:53
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See Tuned mass damper as a standard solution to this problem.
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– Separatrix
Jan 25 at 15:54
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From the same page you linked: The oscillator/"earthquake machine" was explored in 2006 in Episode 60 – "Earthquake Machine". The MythBusters made a device powered by electricity rather than steam. It produced vibrations that could be felt hundreds of feet away, but no earthquake shaking on the modern bridge they attached to; they judged that the claim that the device produced an earthquake to be false (i.e. a "busted myth").
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– L.Dutch♦
Jan 25 at 15:56
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FWIW, steam has incredible torque because it's not very compressible. I doubt his produced a full-on earthquake, but I wouldn't be surprised if A) Tesla's was more vibraty, and B) it could shake several-ton machinery on a flat, hard floor.
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– Hosch250
Jan 25 at 16:02
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(1) Tesla was a (in)famous liar. Most self-promoters are (most marketing is, but that's another story). On the other hand, (2) it's not uncommon to put designs in a patent that protect the invention without the ability to replicate the invention. The fact that the patent doesn't do what Tesla claims doesn't mean very much. Between (1) and (2) we don't really know if Tesla could do what he claimed - but it's fun to imagine.
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– JBH
Jan 25 at 16:04
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In 1935 at his annual birthday party/press meeting a 79-year-old Tesla
related a story where he claimed a version of his mechanical
oscillator caused extreme vibrations in structures and even an
earthquake in downtown New York City ... Tesla said the oscillator was around 7 inches (18 cm) long, and weighing one or two pounds; something "you could put
in your overcoat pocket". At one point while experimenting with the
oscillator, he alleged it generated a resonance in several buildings
causing complaints to the police. As the speed grew he said that the
machine oscillated at the resonance frequency of his own building and,
belatedly realizing the danger, he was forced to use a sledge hammer
to terminate the experiment.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla%27s_oscillator
I am looking at ways to weaponize this machine.
(1) By creating an earthquake to disrupt attackers besieging one's camp/fortress.
(2) By focusing an Earthquake right through the Earth to destroy someone directly opposite (antipodean).
(3) Destroying a planet.
Question (EDITED)
Focusing for the moment on local effects:
Using technology up to the present era could we build and weaponize a vibration machine to create widespread destruction in an area of say a mile or two in diameter. This would be 'clean' in relation to nuclear or even conventional weapons. It could destroy buildings and infrastructure and disrupt enemy troops without lasting environmental effects.
science-based reality-check warfare weapons weapon-mass-destruction
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In 1935 at his annual birthday party/press meeting a 79-year-old Tesla
related a story where he claimed a version of his mechanical
oscillator caused extreme vibrations in structures and even an
earthquake in downtown New York City ... Tesla said the oscillator was around 7 inches (18 cm) long, and weighing one or two pounds; something "you could put
in your overcoat pocket". At one point while experimenting with the
oscillator, he alleged it generated a resonance in several buildings
causing complaints to the police. As the speed grew he said that the
machine oscillated at the resonance frequency of his own building and,
belatedly realizing the danger, he was forced to use a sledge hammer
to terminate the experiment.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla%27s_oscillator
I am looking at ways to weaponize this machine.
(1) By creating an earthquake to disrupt attackers besieging one's camp/fortress.
(2) By focusing an Earthquake right through the Earth to destroy someone directly opposite (antipodean).
(3) Destroying a planet.
Question (EDITED)
Focusing for the moment on local effects:
Using technology up to the present era could we build and weaponize a vibration machine to create widespread destruction in an area of say a mile or two in diameter. This would be 'clean' in relation to nuclear or even conventional weapons. It could destroy buildings and infrastructure and disrupt enemy troops without lasting environmental effects.
science-based reality-check warfare weapons weapon-mass-destruction
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edited Jan 25 at 18:52
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The natural frequency of a building is a known consideration that's part of standard earthquake control design. Hence it would work in the time of Tesla or on buildings left over from that period, but it would not work on a modern building.
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– Separatrix
Jan 25 at 15:53
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See Tuned mass damper as a standard solution to this problem.
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– Separatrix
Jan 25 at 15:54
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From the same page you linked: The oscillator/"earthquake machine" was explored in 2006 in Episode 60 – "Earthquake Machine". The MythBusters made a device powered by electricity rather than steam. It produced vibrations that could be felt hundreds of feet away, but no earthquake shaking on the modern bridge they attached to; they judged that the claim that the device produced an earthquake to be false (i.e. a "busted myth").
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– L.Dutch♦
Jan 25 at 15:56
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FWIW, steam has incredible torque because it's not very compressible. I doubt his produced a full-on earthquake, but I wouldn't be surprised if A) Tesla's was more vibraty, and B) it could shake several-ton machinery on a flat, hard floor.
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– Hosch250
Jan 25 at 16:02
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(1) Tesla was a (in)famous liar. Most self-promoters are (most marketing is, but that's another story). On the other hand, (2) it's not uncommon to put designs in a patent that protect the invention without the ability to replicate the invention. The fact that the patent doesn't do what Tesla claims doesn't mean very much. Between (1) and (2) we don't really know if Tesla could do what he claimed - but it's fun to imagine.
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– JBH
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The natural frequency of a building is a known consideration that's part of standard earthquake control design. Hence it would work in the time of Tesla or on buildings left over from that period, but it would not work on a modern building.
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– Separatrix
Jan 25 at 15:53
2
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See Tuned mass damper as a standard solution to this problem.
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– Separatrix
Jan 25 at 15:54
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From the same page you linked: The oscillator/"earthquake machine" was explored in 2006 in Episode 60 – "Earthquake Machine". The MythBusters made a device powered by electricity rather than steam. It produced vibrations that could be felt hundreds of feet away, but no earthquake shaking on the modern bridge they attached to; they judged that the claim that the device produced an earthquake to be false (i.e. a "busted myth").
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– L.Dutch♦
Jan 25 at 15:56
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FWIW, steam has incredible torque because it's not very compressible. I doubt his produced a full-on earthquake, but I wouldn't be surprised if A) Tesla's was more vibraty, and B) it could shake several-ton machinery on a flat, hard floor.
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– Hosch250
Jan 25 at 16:02
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(1) Tesla was a (in)famous liar. Most self-promoters are (most marketing is, but that's another story). On the other hand, (2) it's not uncommon to put designs in a patent that protect the invention without the ability to replicate the invention. The fact that the patent doesn't do what Tesla claims doesn't mean very much. Between (1) and (2) we don't really know if Tesla could do what he claimed - but it's fun to imagine.
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– JBH
Jan 25 at 16:04
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The natural frequency of a building is a known consideration that's part of standard earthquake control design. Hence it would work in the time of Tesla or on buildings left over from that period, but it would not work on a modern building.
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– Separatrix
Jan 25 at 15:53
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The natural frequency of a building is a known consideration that's part of standard earthquake control design. Hence it would work in the time of Tesla or on buildings left over from that period, but it would not work on a modern building.
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– Separatrix
Jan 25 at 15:53
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See Tuned mass damper as a standard solution to this problem.
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– Separatrix
Jan 25 at 15:54
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See Tuned mass damper as a standard solution to this problem.
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– Separatrix
Jan 25 at 15:54
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From the same page you linked: The oscillator/"earthquake machine" was explored in 2006 in Episode 60 – "Earthquake Machine". The MythBusters made a device powered by electricity rather than steam. It produced vibrations that could be felt hundreds of feet away, but no earthquake shaking on the modern bridge they attached to; they judged that the claim that the device produced an earthquake to be false (i.e. a "busted myth").
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– L.Dutch♦
Jan 25 at 15:56
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From the same page you linked: The oscillator/"earthquake machine" was explored in 2006 in Episode 60 – "Earthquake Machine". The MythBusters made a device powered by electricity rather than steam. It produced vibrations that could be felt hundreds of feet away, but no earthquake shaking on the modern bridge they attached to; they judged that the claim that the device produced an earthquake to be false (i.e. a "busted myth").
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– L.Dutch♦
Jan 25 at 15:56
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FWIW, steam has incredible torque because it's not very compressible. I doubt his produced a full-on earthquake, but I wouldn't be surprised if A) Tesla's was more vibraty, and B) it could shake several-ton machinery on a flat, hard floor.
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– Hosch250
Jan 25 at 16:02
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FWIW, steam has incredible torque because it's not very compressible. I doubt his produced a full-on earthquake, but I wouldn't be surprised if A) Tesla's was more vibraty, and B) it could shake several-ton machinery on a flat, hard floor.
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– Hosch250
Jan 25 at 16:02
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(1) Tesla was a (in)famous liar. Most self-promoters are (most marketing is, but that's another story). On the other hand, (2) it's not uncommon to put designs in a patent that protect the invention without the ability to replicate the invention. The fact that the patent doesn't do what Tesla claims doesn't mean very much. Between (1) and (2) we don't really know if Tesla could do what he claimed - but it's fun to imagine.
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– JBH
Jan 25 at 16:04
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(1) Tesla was a (in)famous liar. Most self-promoters are (most marketing is, but that's another story). On the other hand, (2) it's not uncommon to put designs in a patent that protect the invention without the ability to replicate the invention. The fact that the patent doesn't do what Tesla claims doesn't mean very much. Between (1) and (2) we don't really know if Tesla could do what he claimed - but it's fun to imagine.
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The guys from Mythbusters once built a slightly larger version of Tesla's machine. They tested it on a bridge. Some vibration could be felt hundreds of feet away from the device, but that was that, and they called busted on the myth of the earthquake device.
Source: http://www.discovery.com/tv-shows/mythbusters/about-this-show/earthquake-machine/
Some people were quick to notice that the busters turned the device off after they started getting results, maybe for fear of the damage they could cause. More likely, though, is that Tesla's quake machine claims were exxagerated. The device works, it is just not as potent as advertised.
If you wish to cause an Earthquake proper, consider the amount of energy released by one. The formula goes like:
$$log_10 E = 4.4 + 1.5M$$
Where $E$ is the energy quantity in joules, and $M$ is the magnitude in the Richter scale. Source: http://www.math.wichita.edu/~richardson/earthquake.html
From your description in the question you want a quake of magnitude of at least 7 in Richter. You'll need to put around 8 trillion joules under the city you wish to destroy in about a few seconds to a minute. Any device smaller than a city block storing that amount of energy would likely blow up. Back of napkin calculations seem to indicate it is close to a couple hundred kilotons of TNT, or about 15-20 Little Boy's (the atom bom dropped on Hiroshima).
I know a quake makes it seem like an Act of God, but the simple bombing alternative is looking more economic and feasible.
In response to an edit in the question, I have to raise two points:
1-) Please do not make edits that invalidate present answers.
2-) Buildings are generally not homogeneous enough that a single frequency or set of frequencies for mechanical waves would destroy them while sparing other things around them. If you wish to cause damage by vibrations, fly a fighter jet at low altitudes and watch as windows blow. You will also pop many eardrums in a very permanent manner. Some walls might crack, but don't expect any house to collapse.
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Tesla exaggerating things is entirely within character, too
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– Andon
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I couldn't see your video (wrong area), I'll look it up elsewhere. However you say they tuned it to a bridge. What if it was much bigger and they tuned it to vibrate the terrain?
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– chasly from UK
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@chaslyfromUK I didn't post a video. Other than that, I fon't see how you could tune to a terrain unless.it os something very homogeneous such as the surface of a glacier.
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– Renan
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@chaslyfromUK - "What if it was much bigger and they tuned it to vibrate the terrain?" What makes you think that terrain has a resonant frequency? Furthermore, even if it does, why do you think its Q would be high enough to accumulate energy enough to produce major effects?
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@WhatRoughBeast - Maybe that's why I have the reality-check tag. If someone can prove it won't work then that's an answer.
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Technically Tesla's device wouldn't create earthquakes but merely damage buildings similarly to the way earthquakes would.
Just a few days ago there was a goofy TV movie Bixler High Private Eye in which a contemporary teen discovers that his farther's high school science project a few decades ago had accidentally caused an earthquake and suspects that somebody has kidnapped his father and forced his father to cause mini earthquakes to demolish various buildings in the town.
It seems to me that if a real teenager accidentally invented an earthquake machine he wouldn't just ignore it for decades. Instead he would realize that if he could stumble across a way to make artificial earthquakes other kids doing science projects and scientists in laboratories would also do so sooner or later.
So he would go to the military and demonstrate his earthquake machine and tell them they would have to monitor all earthquakes around the world, no matter how small, to detect any that were artificial. And if they detected an artificial earthquake anywhere in the world, respond by creating an artificial earthquake in the same location, to show the makers of the earlier artificial earthquake that they weren't the first to invent earthquake machines and that there is someone capable of responding with earthquakes to any attack using earthquakes.
And that kid would probably work on the artificial earthquake project for his entire adult life.
What causes earthquakes? The planet Earth itself. There is an ocean of molten lava many miles down all around the Earth, and the solid surface of the Earth floats on it like pack ice in the Arctic Ocean. like the oceans of water, the ocean of lava has currents.
Those slow moving but incredibly powerful currents of lava push the sold rock above them slowly but surely with incredible force. There are places where one sheet of rock meets another and is forced below it, and cracks within each sheet of rock where the sheet is being twisted and torn.
So there are many fault lines where huge masses of rock are slowly sliding past each other. Horizontal fault lines, vertical fault lines, and diagonal fault lines. And sometimes the rock masses get stuck on projecting rocks or sticky lava or something and stop moving and the pressure builds up greater and greater and greater until something snaps and the rocks suddenly move a lot, causing an earthquake.
It has been claimed that many different types of human activities can cause earthquakes (mostly small earthquakes).
While most earthquakes are caused by movement of the Earth's tectonic plates, human activity can also produce earthquakes. Four main activities contribute to this phenomenon: storing large amounts of water behind a dam (and possibly building an extremely heavy building), drilling and injecting liquid into wells, and by coal mining and oil drilling.[43] Perhaps the best known example is the 2008 Sichuan earthquake in China's Sichuan Province in May; this tremor resulted in 69,227 fatalities and is the 19th deadliest earthquake of all time. The Zipingpu Dam is believed to have fluctuated the pressure of the fault 1,650 feet (503 m) away; this pressure probably increased the power of the earthquake and accelerated the rate of movement for the fault.[44]
The greatest earthquake in Australia's history is also claimed to be induced by human activity: Newcastle, Australia was built over a large sector of coal mining areas. The earthquake has been reported to be spawned from a fault that reactivated due to the millions of tonnes of rock removed in the mining process.[45]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthquake#Induced_seismicity1
There is an article and list of possibly human caused earthquakes, some of which caused major damage and many deaths.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induced_seismicity2
Clearly if someone wanted to devastate his own country, he could spend countless billions of dollars on various large-scale projects that would increase the frequency and severity of earthquakes in his own country - probably only slightly.
But an artificial earthquake one could trigger at any moment one wanted in another country would be a different matter. It should be possible to cause an earthquake due to happen along a fault line to happen when one wants it to happen instead of just waiting for it to happen sometime in the future.
One would have to excavate hundreds or thousands of feet down in some spots, and a few miles in other spots, and tens of miles (many times deeper than humans have ever done before) in still other spots, to reach the fault line. And then place hundreds and thousands of nuclear weapons along the fault line.
If the nuclear bombs were exploded all at once they would vaporize many cubic miles of rock and liquify many other cubic miles of rock. And if - repeat if - one's scientific calculations were correct, that would lubricate the fault line enough and the rocks would suddenly slide past each other, causing the earthquake to happen when it was desired.
Of course there would be a few minor problems like keeping the biggest excavation project ever hidden from the enemy in the enemy's own lands and smuggling thousands of atomic bombs into the enemy's land. And using thousands of atomic bombs in the normal way would probably be much more efficient.
That is the easy way to create a earthquake when and where you want it.
The difficult way would be to find a large asteroid or comet, probably at least tens of kilometers or miles in diameter, and using incredible amounts of energy, change its orbit in a manner carefully calculated to strike Earth at the time and place you want to create a major earthquake.
That should definitely create a major earthquake when and where it strikes. Of course, that earthquake will seem minor compared to other effects of the impact that could possibly make humans and many other life forms extinct and would certainly cause more death and destruction worldwide than any other event in at least fifty million years.
Since technically Tesla's device wouldn't create earthquakes but merely damage buildings similarly to the way earthquakes would, it is possible that there may be ways to damage buildings similar to earthquake damage that are not as hard to achieve as creating actual earthquakes.
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"The planet Earth itself. There is an ocean of molten lava many miles down all around the Earth, and the solid surface of the Earth floats on it like pack ice in the Arctic Ocean." But aren't we told that solids are more dense than liquid versions of the same substance and sink to the bottom, with water and ice being the one very, very notable exception due to a weird quirk in the way water's chemistry works?
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@MasonWheeler You, who are more solid/dense than water, float on top of it. It all has to do with displacement, buoyancy, etc. If tons(!) of steel can float on water, I don't have an issue believing that there is an arrangement by which earth can "float" on magma (which isn't even a great description since the plates are more or less locked together, any gaps being instantly filled by cooling magma, and so there is one contiguous shell around it anyways)
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Jan 25 at 22:15
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No, I am incapable of floating on top of water while I am more dense than it, as are steel ships. Steel (and human bone material) may themselves be more dense than water, but density is defined as mass divided by overall volume. This is why swimming classes teach you to breathe in: the act of expanding the volume of your body by inflating your chest, even that small amount, can be enough to put some people across the tipping point and make their overall body less dense than water. Likewise "tons of steel" can't float unless they're arranged in a high-volume construct to bring the density down.
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Magma is not liquid until expelled by a volcano. The pressures under the crust keep it solid.
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– Renan
Jan 26 at 0:45
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The guys from Mythbusters once built a slightly larger version of Tesla's machine. They tested it on a bridge. Some vibration could be felt hundreds of feet away from the device, but that was that, and they called busted on the myth of the earthquake device.
Source: http://www.discovery.com/tv-shows/mythbusters/about-this-show/earthquake-machine/
Some people were quick to notice that the busters turned the device off after they started getting results, maybe for fear of the damage they could cause. More likely, though, is that Tesla's quake machine claims were exxagerated. The device works, it is just not as potent as advertised.
If you wish to cause an Earthquake proper, consider the amount of energy released by one. The formula goes like:
$$log_10 E = 4.4 + 1.5M$$
Where $E$ is the energy quantity in joules, and $M$ is the magnitude in the Richter scale. Source: http://www.math.wichita.edu/~richardson/earthquake.html
From your description in the question you want a quake of magnitude of at least 7 in Richter. You'll need to put around 8 trillion joules under the city you wish to destroy in about a few seconds to a minute. Any device smaller than a city block storing that amount of energy would likely blow up. Back of napkin calculations seem to indicate it is close to a couple hundred kilotons of TNT, or about 15-20 Little Boy's (the atom bom dropped on Hiroshima).
I know a quake makes it seem like an Act of God, but the simple bombing alternative is looking more economic and feasible.
In response to an edit in the question, I have to raise two points:
1-) Please do not make edits that invalidate present answers.
2-) Buildings are generally not homogeneous enough that a single frequency or set of frequencies for mechanical waves would destroy them while sparing other things around them. If you wish to cause damage by vibrations, fly a fighter jet at low altitudes and watch as windows blow. You will also pop many eardrums in a very permanent manner. Some walls might crack, but don't expect any house to collapse.
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Tesla exaggerating things is entirely within character, too
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– Andon
Jan 25 at 17:10
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I couldn't see your video (wrong area), I'll look it up elsewhere. However you say they tuned it to a bridge. What if it was much bigger and they tuned it to vibrate the terrain?
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– chasly from UK
Jan 25 at 18:57
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@chaslyfromUK I didn't post a video. Other than that, I fon't see how you could tune to a terrain unless.it os something very homogeneous such as the surface of a glacier.
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– Renan
Jan 25 at 19:38
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@chaslyfromUK - "What if it was much bigger and they tuned it to vibrate the terrain?" What makes you think that terrain has a resonant frequency? Furthermore, even if it does, why do you think its Q would be high enough to accumulate energy enough to produce major effects?
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– WhatRoughBeast
Jan 25 at 22:38
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@WhatRoughBeast - Maybe that's why I have the reality-check tag. If someone can prove it won't work then that's an answer.
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– chasly from UK
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The guys from Mythbusters once built a slightly larger version of Tesla's machine. They tested it on a bridge. Some vibration could be felt hundreds of feet away from the device, but that was that, and they called busted on the myth of the earthquake device.
Source: http://www.discovery.com/tv-shows/mythbusters/about-this-show/earthquake-machine/
Some people were quick to notice that the busters turned the device off after they started getting results, maybe for fear of the damage they could cause. More likely, though, is that Tesla's quake machine claims were exxagerated. The device works, it is just not as potent as advertised.
If you wish to cause an Earthquake proper, consider the amount of energy released by one. The formula goes like:
$$log_10 E = 4.4 + 1.5M$$
Where $E$ is the energy quantity in joules, and $M$ is the magnitude in the Richter scale. Source: http://www.math.wichita.edu/~richardson/earthquake.html
From your description in the question you want a quake of magnitude of at least 7 in Richter. You'll need to put around 8 trillion joules under the city you wish to destroy in about a few seconds to a minute. Any device smaller than a city block storing that amount of energy would likely blow up. Back of napkin calculations seem to indicate it is close to a couple hundred kilotons of TNT, or about 15-20 Little Boy's (the atom bom dropped on Hiroshima).
I know a quake makes it seem like an Act of God, but the simple bombing alternative is looking more economic and feasible.
In response to an edit in the question, I have to raise two points:
1-) Please do not make edits that invalidate present answers.
2-) Buildings are generally not homogeneous enough that a single frequency or set of frequencies for mechanical waves would destroy them while sparing other things around them. If you wish to cause damage by vibrations, fly a fighter jet at low altitudes and watch as windows blow. You will also pop many eardrums in a very permanent manner. Some walls might crack, but don't expect any house to collapse.
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Tesla exaggerating things is entirely within character, too
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– Andon
Jan 25 at 17:10
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I couldn't see your video (wrong area), I'll look it up elsewhere. However you say they tuned it to a bridge. What if it was much bigger and they tuned it to vibrate the terrain?
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– chasly from UK
Jan 25 at 18:57
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@chaslyfromUK I didn't post a video. Other than that, I fon't see how you could tune to a terrain unless.it os something very homogeneous such as the surface of a glacier.
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– Renan
Jan 25 at 19:38
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@chaslyfromUK - "What if it was much bigger and they tuned it to vibrate the terrain?" What makes you think that terrain has a resonant frequency? Furthermore, even if it does, why do you think its Q would be high enough to accumulate energy enough to produce major effects?
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– WhatRoughBeast
Jan 25 at 22:38
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@WhatRoughBeast - Maybe that's why I have the reality-check tag. If someone can prove it won't work then that's an answer.
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– chasly from UK
Jan 26 at 9:07
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The guys from Mythbusters once built a slightly larger version of Tesla's machine. They tested it on a bridge. Some vibration could be felt hundreds of feet away from the device, but that was that, and they called busted on the myth of the earthquake device.
Source: http://www.discovery.com/tv-shows/mythbusters/about-this-show/earthquake-machine/
Some people were quick to notice that the busters turned the device off after they started getting results, maybe for fear of the damage they could cause. More likely, though, is that Tesla's quake machine claims were exxagerated. The device works, it is just not as potent as advertised.
If you wish to cause an Earthquake proper, consider the amount of energy released by one. The formula goes like:
$$log_10 E = 4.4 + 1.5M$$
Where $E$ is the energy quantity in joules, and $M$ is the magnitude in the Richter scale. Source: http://www.math.wichita.edu/~richardson/earthquake.html
From your description in the question you want a quake of magnitude of at least 7 in Richter. You'll need to put around 8 trillion joules under the city you wish to destroy in about a few seconds to a minute. Any device smaller than a city block storing that amount of energy would likely blow up. Back of napkin calculations seem to indicate it is close to a couple hundred kilotons of TNT, or about 15-20 Little Boy's (the atom bom dropped on Hiroshima).
I know a quake makes it seem like an Act of God, but the simple bombing alternative is looking more economic and feasible.
In response to an edit in the question, I have to raise two points:
1-) Please do not make edits that invalidate present answers.
2-) Buildings are generally not homogeneous enough that a single frequency or set of frequencies for mechanical waves would destroy them while sparing other things around them. If you wish to cause damage by vibrations, fly a fighter jet at low altitudes and watch as windows blow. You will also pop many eardrums in a very permanent manner. Some walls might crack, but don't expect any house to collapse.
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The guys from Mythbusters once built a slightly larger version of Tesla's machine. They tested it on a bridge. Some vibration could be felt hundreds of feet away from the device, but that was that, and they called busted on the myth of the earthquake device.
Source: http://www.discovery.com/tv-shows/mythbusters/about-this-show/earthquake-machine/
Some people were quick to notice that the busters turned the device off after they started getting results, maybe for fear of the damage they could cause. More likely, though, is that Tesla's quake machine claims were exxagerated. The device works, it is just not as potent as advertised.
If you wish to cause an Earthquake proper, consider the amount of energy released by one. The formula goes like:
$$log_10 E = 4.4 + 1.5M$$
Where $E$ is the energy quantity in joules, and $M$ is the magnitude in the Richter scale. Source: http://www.math.wichita.edu/~richardson/earthquake.html
From your description in the question you want a quake of magnitude of at least 7 in Richter. You'll need to put around 8 trillion joules under the city you wish to destroy in about a few seconds to a minute. Any device smaller than a city block storing that amount of energy would likely blow up. Back of napkin calculations seem to indicate it is close to a couple hundred kilotons of TNT, or about 15-20 Little Boy's (the atom bom dropped on Hiroshima).
I know a quake makes it seem like an Act of God, but the simple bombing alternative is looking more economic and feasible.
In response to an edit in the question, I have to raise two points:
1-) Please do not make edits that invalidate present answers.
2-) Buildings are generally not homogeneous enough that a single frequency or set of frequencies for mechanical waves would destroy them while sparing other things around them. If you wish to cause damage by vibrations, fly a fighter jet at low altitudes and watch as windows blow. You will also pop many eardrums in a very permanent manner. Some walls might crack, but don't expect any house to collapse.
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answered Jan 25 at 16:51
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Tesla exaggerating things is entirely within character, too
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– Andon
Jan 25 at 17:10
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I couldn't see your video (wrong area), I'll look it up elsewhere. However you say they tuned it to a bridge. What if it was much bigger and they tuned it to vibrate the terrain?
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– chasly from UK
Jan 25 at 18:57
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@chaslyfromUK I didn't post a video. Other than that, I fon't see how you could tune to a terrain unless.it os something very homogeneous such as the surface of a glacier.
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– Renan
Jan 25 at 19:38
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@chaslyfromUK - "What if it was much bigger and they tuned it to vibrate the terrain?" What makes you think that terrain has a resonant frequency? Furthermore, even if it does, why do you think its Q would be high enough to accumulate energy enough to produce major effects?
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– WhatRoughBeast
Jan 25 at 22:38
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@WhatRoughBeast - Maybe that's why I have the reality-check tag. If someone can prove it won't work then that's an answer.
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– chasly from UK
Jan 26 at 9:07
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Tesla exaggerating things is entirely within character, too
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– Andon
Jan 25 at 17:10
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I couldn't see your video (wrong area), I'll look it up elsewhere. However you say they tuned it to a bridge. What if it was much bigger and they tuned it to vibrate the terrain?
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– chasly from UK
Jan 25 at 18:57
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@chaslyfromUK I didn't post a video. Other than that, I fon't see how you could tune to a terrain unless.it os something very homogeneous such as the surface of a glacier.
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– Renan
Jan 25 at 19:38
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@chaslyfromUK - "What if it was much bigger and they tuned it to vibrate the terrain?" What makes you think that terrain has a resonant frequency? Furthermore, even if it does, why do you think its Q would be high enough to accumulate energy enough to produce major effects?
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– WhatRoughBeast
Jan 25 at 22:38
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@WhatRoughBeast - Maybe that's why I have the reality-check tag. If someone can prove it won't work then that's an answer.
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– chasly from UK
Jan 26 at 9:07
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Tesla exaggerating things is entirely within character, too
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– Andon
Jan 25 at 17:10
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Tesla exaggerating things is entirely within character, too
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– Andon
Jan 25 at 17:10
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I couldn't see your video (wrong area), I'll look it up elsewhere. However you say they tuned it to a bridge. What if it was much bigger and they tuned it to vibrate the terrain?
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– chasly from UK
Jan 25 at 18:57
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I couldn't see your video (wrong area), I'll look it up elsewhere. However you say they tuned it to a bridge. What if it was much bigger and they tuned it to vibrate the terrain?
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– chasly from UK
Jan 25 at 18:57
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@chaslyfromUK I didn't post a video. Other than that, I fon't see how you could tune to a terrain unless.it os something very homogeneous such as the surface of a glacier.
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– Renan
Jan 25 at 19:38
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@chaslyfromUK I didn't post a video. Other than that, I fon't see how you could tune to a terrain unless.it os something very homogeneous such as the surface of a glacier.
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– Renan
Jan 25 at 19:38
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@chaslyfromUK - "What if it was much bigger and they tuned it to vibrate the terrain?" What makes you think that terrain has a resonant frequency? Furthermore, even if it does, why do you think its Q would be high enough to accumulate energy enough to produce major effects?
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– WhatRoughBeast
Jan 25 at 22:38
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@chaslyfromUK - "What if it was much bigger and they tuned it to vibrate the terrain?" What makes you think that terrain has a resonant frequency? Furthermore, even if it does, why do you think its Q would be high enough to accumulate energy enough to produce major effects?
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– WhatRoughBeast
Jan 25 at 22:38
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@WhatRoughBeast - Maybe that's why I have the reality-check tag. If someone can prove it won't work then that's an answer.
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– chasly from UK
Jan 26 at 9:07
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@WhatRoughBeast - Maybe that's why I have the reality-check tag. If someone can prove it won't work then that's an answer.
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– chasly from UK
Jan 26 at 9:07
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Technically Tesla's device wouldn't create earthquakes but merely damage buildings similarly to the way earthquakes would.
Just a few days ago there was a goofy TV movie Bixler High Private Eye in which a contemporary teen discovers that his farther's high school science project a few decades ago had accidentally caused an earthquake and suspects that somebody has kidnapped his father and forced his father to cause mini earthquakes to demolish various buildings in the town.
It seems to me that if a real teenager accidentally invented an earthquake machine he wouldn't just ignore it for decades. Instead he would realize that if he could stumble across a way to make artificial earthquakes other kids doing science projects and scientists in laboratories would also do so sooner or later.
So he would go to the military and demonstrate his earthquake machine and tell them they would have to monitor all earthquakes around the world, no matter how small, to detect any that were artificial. And if they detected an artificial earthquake anywhere in the world, respond by creating an artificial earthquake in the same location, to show the makers of the earlier artificial earthquake that they weren't the first to invent earthquake machines and that there is someone capable of responding with earthquakes to any attack using earthquakes.
And that kid would probably work on the artificial earthquake project for his entire adult life.
What causes earthquakes? The planet Earth itself. There is an ocean of molten lava many miles down all around the Earth, and the solid surface of the Earth floats on it like pack ice in the Arctic Ocean. like the oceans of water, the ocean of lava has currents.
Those slow moving but incredibly powerful currents of lava push the sold rock above them slowly but surely with incredible force. There are places where one sheet of rock meets another and is forced below it, and cracks within each sheet of rock where the sheet is being twisted and torn.
So there are many fault lines where huge masses of rock are slowly sliding past each other. Horizontal fault lines, vertical fault lines, and diagonal fault lines. And sometimes the rock masses get stuck on projecting rocks or sticky lava or something and stop moving and the pressure builds up greater and greater and greater until something snaps and the rocks suddenly move a lot, causing an earthquake.
It has been claimed that many different types of human activities can cause earthquakes (mostly small earthquakes).
While most earthquakes are caused by movement of the Earth's tectonic plates, human activity can also produce earthquakes. Four main activities contribute to this phenomenon: storing large amounts of water behind a dam (and possibly building an extremely heavy building), drilling and injecting liquid into wells, and by coal mining and oil drilling.[43] Perhaps the best known example is the 2008 Sichuan earthquake in China's Sichuan Province in May; this tremor resulted in 69,227 fatalities and is the 19th deadliest earthquake of all time. The Zipingpu Dam is believed to have fluctuated the pressure of the fault 1,650 feet (503 m) away; this pressure probably increased the power of the earthquake and accelerated the rate of movement for the fault.[44]
The greatest earthquake in Australia's history is also claimed to be induced by human activity: Newcastle, Australia was built over a large sector of coal mining areas. The earthquake has been reported to be spawned from a fault that reactivated due to the millions of tonnes of rock removed in the mining process.[45]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthquake#Induced_seismicity1
There is an article and list of possibly human caused earthquakes, some of which caused major damage and many deaths.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induced_seismicity2
Clearly if someone wanted to devastate his own country, he could spend countless billions of dollars on various large-scale projects that would increase the frequency and severity of earthquakes in his own country - probably only slightly.
But an artificial earthquake one could trigger at any moment one wanted in another country would be a different matter. It should be possible to cause an earthquake due to happen along a fault line to happen when one wants it to happen instead of just waiting for it to happen sometime in the future.
One would have to excavate hundreds or thousands of feet down in some spots, and a few miles in other spots, and tens of miles (many times deeper than humans have ever done before) in still other spots, to reach the fault line. And then place hundreds and thousands of nuclear weapons along the fault line.
If the nuclear bombs were exploded all at once they would vaporize many cubic miles of rock and liquify many other cubic miles of rock. And if - repeat if - one's scientific calculations were correct, that would lubricate the fault line enough and the rocks would suddenly slide past each other, causing the earthquake to happen when it was desired.
Of course there would be a few minor problems like keeping the biggest excavation project ever hidden from the enemy in the enemy's own lands and smuggling thousands of atomic bombs into the enemy's land. And using thousands of atomic bombs in the normal way would probably be much more efficient.
That is the easy way to create a earthquake when and where you want it.
The difficult way would be to find a large asteroid or comet, probably at least tens of kilometers or miles in diameter, and using incredible amounts of energy, change its orbit in a manner carefully calculated to strike Earth at the time and place you want to create a major earthquake.
That should definitely create a major earthquake when and where it strikes. Of course, that earthquake will seem minor compared to other effects of the impact that could possibly make humans and many other life forms extinct and would certainly cause more death and destruction worldwide than any other event in at least fifty million years.
Since technically Tesla's device wouldn't create earthquakes but merely damage buildings similarly to the way earthquakes would, it is possible that there may be ways to damage buildings similar to earthquake damage that are not as hard to achieve as creating actual earthquakes.
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"The planet Earth itself. There is an ocean of molten lava many miles down all around the Earth, and the solid surface of the Earth floats on it like pack ice in the Arctic Ocean." But aren't we told that solids are more dense than liquid versions of the same substance and sink to the bottom, with water and ice being the one very, very notable exception due to a weird quirk in the way water's chemistry works?
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– Mason Wheeler
Jan 25 at 21:53
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@MasonWheeler You, who are more solid/dense than water, float on top of it. It all has to do with displacement, buoyancy, etc. If tons(!) of steel can float on water, I don't have an issue believing that there is an arrangement by which earth can "float" on magma (which isn't even a great description since the plates are more or less locked together, any gaps being instantly filled by cooling magma, and so there is one contiguous shell around it anyways)
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– BradleyDotNET
Jan 25 at 22:15
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No, I am incapable of floating on top of water while I am more dense than it, as are steel ships. Steel (and human bone material) may themselves be more dense than water, but density is defined as mass divided by overall volume. This is why swimming classes teach you to breathe in: the act of expanding the volume of your body by inflating your chest, even that small amount, can be enough to put some people across the tipping point and make their overall body less dense than water. Likewise "tons of steel" can't float unless they're arranged in a high-volume construct to bring the density down.
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– Mason Wheeler
Jan 25 at 22:20
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Magma is not liquid until expelled by a volcano. The pressures under the crust keep it solid.
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– Renan
Jan 26 at 0:45
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Technically Tesla's device wouldn't create earthquakes but merely damage buildings similarly to the way earthquakes would.
Just a few days ago there was a goofy TV movie Bixler High Private Eye in which a contemporary teen discovers that his farther's high school science project a few decades ago had accidentally caused an earthquake and suspects that somebody has kidnapped his father and forced his father to cause mini earthquakes to demolish various buildings in the town.
It seems to me that if a real teenager accidentally invented an earthquake machine he wouldn't just ignore it for decades. Instead he would realize that if he could stumble across a way to make artificial earthquakes other kids doing science projects and scientists in laboratories would also do so sooner or later.
So he would go to the military and demonstrate his earthquake machine and tell them they would have to monitor all earthquakes around the world, no matter how small, to detect any that were artificial. And if they detected an artificial earthquake anywhere in the world, respond by creating an artificial earthquake in the same location, to show the makers of the earlier artificial earthquake that they weren't the first to invent earthquake machines and that there is someone capable of responding with earthquakes to any attack using earthquakes.
And that kid would probably work on the artificial earthquake project for his entire adult life.
What causes earthquakes? The planet Earth itself. There is an ocean of molten lava many miles down all around the Earth, and the solid surface of the Earth floats on it like pack ice in the Arctic Ocean. like the oceans of water, the ocean of lava has currents.
Those slow moving but incredibly powerful currents of lava push the sold rock above them slowly but surely with incredible force. There are places where one sheet of rock meets another and is forced below it, and cracks within each sheet of rock where the sheet is being twisted and torn.
So there are many fault lines where huge masses of rock are slowly sliding past each other. Horizontal fault lines, vertical fault lines, and diagonal fault lines. And sometimes the rock masses get stuck on projecting rocks or sticky lava or something and stop moving and the pressure builds up greater and greater and greater until something snaps and the rocks suddenly move a lot, causing an earthquake.
It has been claimed that many different types of human activities can cause earthquakes (mostly small earthquakes).
While most earthquakes are caused by movement of the Earth's tectonic plates, human activity can also produce earthquakes. Four main activities contribute to this phenomenon: storing large amounts of water behind a dam (and possibly building an extremely heavy building), drilling and injecting liquid into wells, and by coal mining and oil drilling.[43] Perhaps the best known example is the 2008 Sichuan earthquake in China's Sichuan Province in May; this tremor resulted in 69,227 fatalities and is the 19th deadliest earthquake of all time. The Zipingpu Dam is believed to have fluctuated the pressure of the fault 1,650 feet (503 m) away; this pressure probably increased the power of the earthquake and accelerated the rate of movement for the fault.[44]
The greatest earthquake in Australia's history is also claimed to be induced by human activity: Newcastle, Australia was built over a large sector of coal mining areas. The earthquake has been reported to be spawned from a fault that reactivated due to the millions of tonnes of rock removed in the mining process.[45]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthquake#Induced_seismicity1
There is an article and list of possibly human caused earthquakes, some of which caused major damage and many deaths.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induced_seismicity2
Clearly if someone wanted to devastate his own country, he could spend countless billions of dollars on various large-scale projects that would increase the frequency and severity of earthquakes in his own country - probably only slightly.
But an artificial earthquake one could trigger at any moment one wanted in another country would be a different matter. It should be possible to cause an earthquake due to happen along a fault line to happen when one wants it to happen instead of just waiting for it to happen sometime in the future.
One would have to excavate hundreds or thousands of feet down in some spots, and a few miles in other spots, and tens of miles (many times deeper than humans have ever done before) in still other spots, to reach the fault line. And then place hundreds and thousands of nuclear weapons along the fault line.
If the nuclear bombs were exploded all at once they would vaporize many cubic miles of rock and liquify many other cubic miles of rock. And if - repeat if - one's scientific calculations were correct, that would lubricate the fault line enough and the rocks would suddenly slide past each other, causing the earthquake to happen when it was desired.
Of course there would be a few minor problems like keeping the biggest excavation project ever hidden from the enemy in the enemy's own lands and smuggling thousands of atomic bombs into the enemy's land. And using thousands of atomic bombs in the normal way would probably be much more efficient.
That is the easy way to create a earthquake when and where you want it.
The difficult way would be to find a large asteroid or comet, probably at least tens of kilometers or miles in diameter, and using incredible amounts of energy, change its orbit in a manner carefully calculated to strike Earth at the time and place you want to create a major earthquake.
That should definitely create a major earthquake when and where it strikes. Of course, that earthquake will seem minor compared to other effects of the impact that could possibly make humans and many other life forms extinct and would certainly cause more death and destruction worldwide than any other event in at least fifty million years.
Since technically Tesla's device wouldn't create earthquakes but merely damage buildings similarly to the way earthquakes would, it is possible that there may be ways to damage buildings similar to earthquake damage that are not as hard to achieve as creating actual earthquakes.
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"The planet Earth itself. There is an ocean of molten lava many miles down all around the Earth, and the solid surface of the Earth floats on it like pack ice in the Arctic Ocean." But aren't we told that solids are more dense than liquid versions of the same substance and sink to the bottom, with water and ice being the one very, very notable exception due to a weird quirk in the way water's chemistry works?
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– Mason Wheeler
Jan 25 at 21:53
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@MasonWheeler You, who are more solid/dense than water, float on top of it. It all has to do with displacement, buoyancy, etc. If tons(!) of steel can float on water, I don't have an issue believing that there is an arrangement by which earth can "float" on magma (which isn't even a great description since the plates are more or less locked together, any gaps being instantly filled by cooling magma, and so there is one contiguous shell around it anyways)
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– BradleyDotNET
Jan 25 at 22:15
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No, I am incapable of floating on top of water while I am more dense than it, as are steel ships. Steel (and human bone material) may themselves be more dense than water, but density is defined as mass divided by overall volume. This is why swimming classes teach you to breathe in: the act of expanding the volume of your body by inflating your chest, even that small amount, can be enough to put some people across the tipping point and make their overall body less dense than water. Likewise "tons of steel" can't float unless they're arranged in a high-volume construct to bring the density down.
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– Mason Wheeler
Jan 25 at 22:20
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Magma is not liquid until expelled by a volcano. The pressures under the crust keep it solid.
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– Renan
Jan 26 at 0:45
add a comment |
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Technically Tesla's device wouldn't create earthquakes but merely damage buildings similarly to the way earthquakes would.
Just a few days ago there was a goofy TV movie Bixler High Private Eye in which a contemporary teen discovers that his farther's high school science project a few decades ago had accidentally caused an earthquake and suspects that somebody has kidnapped his father and forced his father to cause mini earthquakes to demolish various buildings in the town.
It seems to me that if a real teenager accidentally invented an earthquake machine he wouldn't just ignore it for decades. Instead he would realize that if he could stumble across a way to make artificial earthquakes other kids doing science projects and scientists in laboratories would also do so sooner or later.
So he would go to the military and demonstrate his earthquake machine and tell them they would have to monitor all earthquakes around the world, no matter how small, to detect any that were artificial. And if they detected an artificial earthquake anywhere in the world, respond by creating an artificial earthquake in the same location, to show the makers of the earlier artificial earthquake that they weren't the first to invent earthquake machines and that there is someone capable of responding with earthquakes to any attack using earthquakes.
And that kid would probably work on the artificial earthquake project for his entire adult life.
What causes earthquakes? The planet Earth itself. There is an ocean of molten lava many miles down all around the Earth, and the solid surface of the Earth floats on it like pack ice in the Arctic Ocean. like the oceans of water, the ocean of lava has currents.
Those slow moving but incredibly powerful currents of lava push the sold rock above them slowly but surely with incredible force. There are places where one sheet of rock meets another and is forced below it, and cracks within each sheet of rock where the sheet is being twisted and torn.
So there are many fault lines where huge masses of rock are slowly sliding past each other. Horizontal fault lines, vertical fault lines, and diagonal fault lines. And sometimes the rock masses get stuck on projecting rocks or sticky lava or something and stop moving and the pressure builds up greater and greater and greater until something snaps and the rocks suddenly move a lot, causing an earthquake.
It has been claimed that many different types of human activities can cause earthquakes (mostly small earthquakes).
While most earthquakes are caused by movement of the Earth's tectonic plates, human activity can also produce earthquakes. Four main activities contribute to this phenomenon: storing large amounts of water behind a dam (and possibly building an extremely heavy building), drilling and injecting liquid into wells, and by coal mining and oil drilling.[43] Perhaps the best known example is the 2008 Sichuan earthquake in China's Sichuan Province in May; this tremor resulted in 69,227 fatalities and is the 19th deadliest earthquake of all time. The Zipingpu Dam is believed to have fluctuated the pressure of the fault 1,650 feet (503 m) away; this pressure probably increased the power of the earthquake and accelerated the rate of movement for the fault.[44]
The greatest earthquake in Australia's history is also claimed to be induced by human activity: Newcastle, Australia was built over a large sector of coal mining areas. The earthquake has been reported to be spawned from a fault that reactivated due to the millions of tonnes of rock removed in the mining process.[45]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthquake#Induced_seismicity1
There is an article and list of possibly human caused earthquakes, some of which caused major damage and many deaths.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induced_seismicity2
Clearly if someone wanted to devastate his own country, he could spend countless billions of dollars on various large-scale projects that would increase the frequency and severity of earthquakes in his own country - probably only slightly.
But an artificial earthquake one could trigger at any moment one wanted in another country would be a different matter. It should be possible to cause an earthquake due to happen along a fault line to happen when one wants it to happen instead of just waiting for it to happen sometime in the future.
One would have to excavate hundreds or thousands of feet down in some spots, and a few miles in other spots, and tens of miles (many times deeper than humans have ever done before) in still other spots, to reach the fault line. And then place hundreds and thousands of nuclear weapons along the fault line.
If the nuclear bombs were exploded all at once they would vaporize many cubic miles of rock and liquify many other cubic miles of rock. And if - repeat if - one's scientific calculations were correct, that would lubricate the fault line enough and the rocks would suddenly slide past each other, causing the earthquake to happen when it was desired.
Of course there would be a few minor problems like keeping the biggest excavation project ever hidden from the enemy in the enemy's own lands and smuggling thousands of atomic bombs into the enemy's land. And using thousands of atomic bombs in the normal way would probably be much more efficient.
That is the easy way to create a earthquake when and where you want it.
The difficult way would be to find a large asteroid or comet, probably at least tens of kilometers or miles in diameter, and using incredible amounts of energy, change its orbit in a manner carefully calculated to strike Earth at the time and place you want to create a major earthquake.
That should definitely create a major earthquake when and where it strikes. Of course, that earthquake will seem minor compared to other effects of the impact that could possibly make humans and many other life forms extinct and would certainly cause more death and destruction worldwide than any other event in at least fifty million years.
Since technically Tesla's device wouldn't create earthquakes but merely damage buildings similarly to the way earthquakes would, it is possible that there may be ways to damage buildings similar to earthquake damage that are not as hard to achieve as creating actual earthquakes.
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Technically Tesla's device wouldn't create earthquakes but merely damage buildings similarly to the way earthquakes would.
Just a few days ago there was a goofy TV movie Bixler High Private Eye in which a contemporary teen discovers that his farther's high school science project a few decades ago had accidentally caused an earthquake and suspects that somebody has kidnapped his father and forced his father to cause mini earthquakes to demolish various buildings in the town.
It seems to me that if a real teenager accidentally invented an earthquake machine he wouldn't just ignore it for decades. Instead he would realize that if he could stumble across a way to make artificial earthquakes other kids doing science projects and scientists in laboratories would also do so sooner or later.
So he would go to the military and demonstrate his earthquake machine and tell them they would have to monitor all earthquakes around the world, no matter how small, to detect any that were artificial. And if they detected an artificial earthquake anywhere in the world, respond by creating an artificial earthquake in the same location, to show the makers of the earlier artificial earthquake that they weren't the first to invent earthquake machines and that there is someone capable of responding with earthquakes to any attack using earthquakes.
And that kid would probably work on the artificial earthquake project for his entire adult life.
What causes earthquakes? The planet Earth itself. There is an ocean of molten lava many miles down all around the Earth, and the solid surface of the Earth floats on it like pack ice in the Arctic Ocean. like the oceans of water, the ocean of lava has currents.
Those slow moving but incredibly powerful currents of lava push the sold rock above them slowly but surely with incredible force. There are places where one sheet of rock meets another and is forced below it, and cracks within each sheet of rock where the sheet is being twisted and torn.
So there are many fault lines where huge masses of rock are slowly sliding past each other. Horizontal fault lines, vertical fault lines, and diagonal fault lines. And sometimes the rock masses get stuck on projecting rocks or sticky lava or something and stop moving and the pressure builds up greater and greater and greater until something snaps and the rocks suddenly move a lot, causing an earthquake.
It has been claimed that many different types of human activities can cause earthquakes (mostly small earthquakes).
While most earthquakes are caused by movement of the Earth's tectonic plates, human activity can also produce earthquakes. Four main activities contribute to this phenomenon: storing large amounts of water behind a dam (and possibly building an extremely heavy building), drilling and injecting liquid into wells, and by coal mining and oil drilling.[43] Perhaps the best known example is the 2008 Sichuan earthquake in China's Sichuan Province in May; this tremor resulted in 69,227 fatalities and is the 19th deadliest earthquake of all time. The Zipingpu Dam is believed to have fluctuated the pressure of the fault 1,650 feet (503 m) away; this pressure probably increased the power of the earthquake and accelerated the rate of movement for the fault.[44]
The greatest earthquake in Australia's history is also claimed to be induced by human activity: Newcastle, Australia was built over a large sector of coal mining areas. The earthquake has been reported to be spawned from a fault that reactivated due to the millions of tonnes of rock removed in the mining process.[45]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthquake#Induced_seismicity1
There is an article and list of possibly human caused earthquakes, some of which caused major damage and many deaths.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induced_seismicity2
Clearly if someone wanted to devastate his own country, he could spend countless billions of dollars on various large-scale projects that would increase the frequency and severity of earthquakes in his own country - probably only slightly.
But an artificial earthquake one could trigger at any moment one wanted in another country would be a different matter. It should be possible to cause an earthquake due to happen along a fault line to happen when one wants it to happen instead of just waiting for it to happen sometime in the future.
One would have to excavate hundreds or thousands of feet down in some spots, and a few miles in other spots, and tens of miles (many times deeper than humans have ever done before) in still other spots, to reach the fault line. And then place hundreds and thousands of nuclear weapons along the fault line.
If the nuclear bombs were exploded all at once they would vaporize many cubic miles of rock and liquify many other cubic miles of rock. And if - repeat if - one's scientific calculations were correct, that would lubricate the fault line enough and the rocks would suddenly slide past each other, causing the earthquake to happen when it was desired.
Of course there would be a few minor problems like keeping the biggest excavation project ever hidden from the enemy in the enemy's own lands and smuggling thousands of atomic bombs into the enemy's land. And using thousands of atomic bombs in the normal way would probably be much more efficient.
That is the easy way to create a earthquake when and where you want it.
The difficult way would be to find a large asteroid or comet, probably at least tens of kilometers or miles in diameter, and using incredible amounts of energy, change its orbit in a manner carefully calculated to strike Earth at the time and place you want to create a major earthquake.
That should definitely create a major earthquake when and where it strikes. Of course, that earthquake will seem minor compared to other effects of the impact that could possibly make humans and many other life forms extinct and would certainly cause more death and destruction worldwide than any other event in at least fifty million years.
Since technically Tesla's device wouldn't create earthquakes but merely damage buildings similarly to the way earthquakes would, it is possible that there may be ways to damage buildings similar to earthquake damage that are not as hard to achieve as creating actual earthquakes.
answered Jan 25 at 19:16
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"The planet Earth itself. There is an ocean of molten lava many miles down all around the Earth, and the solid surface of the Earth floats on it like pack ice in the Arctic Ocean." But aren't we told that solids are more dense than liquid versions of the same substance and sink to the bottom, with water and ice being the one very, very notable exception due to a weird quirk in the way water's chemistry works?
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– Mason Wheeler
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@MasonWheeler You, who are more solid/dense than water, float on top of it. It all has to do with displacement, buoyancy, etc. If tons(!) of steel can float on water, I don't have an issue believing that there is an arrangement by which earth can "float" on magma (which isn't even a great description since the plates are more or less locked together, any gaps being instantly filled by cooling magma, and so there is one contiguous shell around it anyways)
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– BradleyDotNET
Jan 25 at 22:15
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No, I am incapable of floating on top of water while I am more dense than it, as are steel ships. Steel (and human bone material) may themselves be more dense than water, but density is defined as mass divided by overall volume. This is why swimming classes teach you to breathe in: the act of expanding the volume of your body by inflating your chest, even that small amount, can be enough to put some people across the tipping point and make their overall body less dense than water. Likewise "tons of steel" can't float unless they're arranged in a high-volume construct to bring the density down.
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– Mason Wheeler
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Magma is not liquid until expelled by a volcano. The pressures under the crust keep it solid.
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– Renan
Jan 26 at 0:45
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"The planet Earth itself. There is an ocean of molten lava many miles down all around the Earth, and the solid surface of the Earth floats on it like pack ice in the Arctic Ocean." But aren't we told that solids are more dense than liquid versions of the same substance and sink to the bottom, with water and ice being the one very, very notable exception due to a weird quirk in the way water's chemistry works?
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– Mason Wheeler
Jan 25 at 21:53
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@MasonWheeler You, who are more solid/dense than water, float on top of it. It all has to do with displacement, buoyancy, etc. If tons(!) of steel can float on water, I don't have an issue believing that there is an arrangement by which earth can "float" on magma (which isn't even a great description since the plates are more or less locked together, any gaps being instantly filled by cooling magma, and so there is one contiguous shell around it anyways)
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– BradleyDotNET
Jan 25 at 22:15
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No, I am incapable of floating on top of water while I am more dense than it, as are steel ships. Steel (and human bone material) may themselves be more dense than water, but density is defined as mass divided by overall volume. This is why swimming classes teach you to breathe in: the act of expanding the volume of your body by inflating your chest, even that small amount, can be enough to put some people across the tipping point and make their overall body less dense than water. Likewise "tons of steel" can't float unless they're arranged in a high-volume construct to bring the density down.
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– Mason Wheeler
Jan 25 at 22:20
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Magma is not liquid until expelled by a volcano. The pressures under the crust keep it solid.
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– Renan
Jan 26 at 0:45
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"The planet Earth itself. There is an ocean of molten lava many miles down all around the Earth, and the solid surface of the Earth floats on it like pack ice in the Arctic Ocean." But aren't we told that solids are more dense than liquid versions of the same substance and sink to the bottom, with water and ice being the one very, very notable exception due to a weird quirk in the way water's chemistry works?
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– Mason Wheeler
Jan 25 at 21:53
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"The planet Earth itself. There is an ocean of molten lava many miles down all around the Earth, and the solid surface of the Earth floats on it like pack ice in the Arctic Ocean." But aren't we told that solids are more dense than liquid versions of the same substance and sink to the bottom, with water and ice being the one very, very notable exception due to a weird quirk in the way water's chemistry works?
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– Mason Wheeler
Jan 25 at 21:53
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@MasonWheeler You, who are more solid/dense than water, float on top of it. It all has to do with displacement, buoyancy, etc. If tons(!) of steel can float on water, I don't have an issue believing that there is an arrangement by which earth can "float" on magma (which isn't even a great description since the plates are more or less locked together, any gaps being instantly filled by cooling magma, and so there is one contiguous shell around it anyways)
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– BradleyDotNET
Jan 25 at 22:15
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@MasonWheeler You, who are more solid/dense than water, float on top of it. It all has to do with displacement, buoyancy, etc. If tons(!) of steel can float on water, I don't have an issue believing that there is an arrangement by which earth can "float" on magma (which isn't even a great description since the plates are more or less locked together, any gaps being instantly filled by cooling magma, and so there is one contiguous shell around it anyways)
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– BradleyDotNET
Jan 25 at 22:15
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No, I am incapable of floating on top of water while I am more dense than it, as are steel ships. Steel (and human bone material) may themselves be more dense than water, but density is defined as mass divided by overall volume. This is why swimming classes teach you to breathe in: the act of expanding the volume of your body by inflating your chest, even that small amount, can be enough to put some people across the tipping point and make their overall body less dense than water. Likewise "tons of steel" can't float unless they're arranged in a high-volume construct to bring the density down.
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– Mason Wheeler
Jan 25 at 22:20
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No, I am incapable of floating on top of water while I am more dense than it, as are steel ships. Steel (and human bone material) may themselves be more dense than water, but density is defined as mass divided by overall volume. This is why swimming classes teach you to breathe in: the act of expanding the volume of your body by inflating your chest, even that small amount, can be enough to put some people across the tipping point and make their overall body less dense than water. Likewise "tons of steel" can't float unless they're arranged in a high-volume construct to bring the density down.
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– Mason Wheeler
Jan 25 at 22:20
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Magma is not liquid until expelled by a volcano. The pressures under the crust keep it solid.
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– Renan
Jan 26 at 0:45
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Magma is not liquid until expelled by a volcano. The pressures under the crust keep it solid.
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– Renan
Jan 26 at 0:45
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The natural frequency of a building is a known consideration that's part of standard earthquake control design. Hence it would work in the time of Tesla or on buildings left over from that period, but it would not work on a modern building.
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– Separatrix
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See Tuned mass damper as a standard solution to this problem.
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From the same page you linked: The oscillator/"earthquake machine" was explored in 2006 in Episode 60 – "Earthquake Machine". The MythBusters made a device powered by electricity rather than steam. It produced vibrations that could be felt hundreds of feet away, but no earthquake shaking on the modern bridge they attached to; they judged that the claim that the device produced an earthquake to be false (i.e. a "busted myth").
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– L.Dutch♦
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FWIW, steam has incredible torque because it's not very compressible. I doubt his produced a full-on earthquake, but I wouldn't be surprised if A) Tesla's was more vibraty, and B) it could shake several-ton machinery on a flat, hard floor.
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– Hosch250
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(1) Tesla was a (in)famous liar. Most self-promoters are (most marketing is, but that's another story). On the other hand, (2) it's not uncommon to put designs in a patent that protect the invention without the ability to replicate the invention. The fact that the patent doesn't do what Tesla claims doesn't mean very much. Between (1) and (2) we don't really know if Tesla could do what he claimed - but it's fun to imagine.
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– JBH
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