Unknown 1st cousin match who shares matches with both grandparents
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I received notice of the following DNA match through Ancestry:
1,193 cM shared across 46 DNA segments, predicted relationship first
cousin, extremely high.
The next closest match is my nephew (1,562 cM across 58 segments) so this other match is pretty close.
I have only one known first cousin, as my mother (86) had one sister (79) who had one son (44). The age of this match is 31; I am 62. He and I share matches from BOTH my maternal grandmother and maternal grandfather's side. This all screams "FAMILY SECRET"!
Based on the amount of our shared DNA, is this match more likely the product of an unknown third child of my grandparents, born between my mother and my aunt, perhaps put up for adoption? Age-wise, this match could be that offspring's grandson, my 1C1R. Or, a child born out of wedlock to my aunt (possible, but I think I would have heard about) and this would be her grandson, also my 1C1R? Which makes most sense with the numbers, or are both possible?
I now have my nephew's (brother's son) shared DNA with this match is 751 cM. My daughter's is 560 cM. What does that tell us?
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I received notice of the following DNA match through Ancestry:
1,193 cM shared across 46 DNA segments, predicted relationship first
cousin, extremely high.
The next closest match is my nephew (1,562 cM across 58 segments) so this other match is pretty close.
I have only one known first cousin, as my mother (86) had one sister (79) who had one son (44). The age of this match is 31; I am 62. He and I share matches from BOTH my maternal grandmother and maternal grandfather's side. This all screams "FAMILY SECRET"!
Based on the amount of our shared DNA, is this match more likely the product of an unknown third child of my grandparents, born between my mother and my aunt, perhaps put up for adoption? Age-wise, this match could be that offspring's grandson, my 1C1R. Or, a child born out of wedlock to my aunt (possible, but I think I would have heard about) and this would be her grandson, also my 1C1R? Which makes most sense with the numbers, or are both possible?
I now have my nephew's (brother's son) shared DNA with this match is 751 cM. My daughter's is 560 cM. What does that tell us?
autosomal-dna ancestry.com
This all screams "FAMILY SECRET"! Did your ancestors live in an area (countryside, island), where marriages between close relatives (e.g. cousins) were common? This might bring you genetically closer to relatives than usual...
– Marzipanherz
Jan 8 at 20:34
No, that was not the case at all. We all lived in the city and very close to one another.
– LINDA
Jan 9 at 0:06
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I received notice of the following DNA match through Ancestry:
1,193 cM shared across 46 DNA segments, predicted relationship first
cousin, extremely high.
The next closest match is my nephew (1,562 cM across 58 segments) so this other match is pretty close.
I have only one known first cousin, as my mother (86) had one sister (79) who had one son (44). The age of this match is 31; I am 62. He and I share matches from BOTH my maternal grandmother and maternal grandfather's side. This all screams "FAMILY SECRET"!
Based on the amount of our shared DNA, is this match more likely the product of an unknown third child of my grandparents, born between my mother and my aunt, perhaps put up for adoption? Age-wise, this match could be that offspring's grandson, my 1C1R. Or, a child born out of wedlock to my aunt (possible, but I think I would have heard about) and this would be her grandson, also my 1C1R? Which makes most sense with the numbers, or are both possible?
I now have my nephew's (brother's son) shared DNA with this match is 751 cM. My daughter's is 560 cM. What does that tell us?
autosomal-dna ancestry.com
I received notice of the following DNA match through Ancestry:
1,193 cM shared across 46 DNA segments, predicted relationship first
cousin, extremely high.
The next closest match is my nephew (1,562 cM across 58 segments) so this other match is pretty close.
I have only one known first cousin, as my mother (86) had one sister (79) who had one son (44). The age of this match is 31; I am 62. He and I share matches from BOTH my maternal grandmother and maternal grandfather's side. This all screams "FAMILY SECRET"!
Based on the amount of our shared DNA, is this match more likely the product of an unknown third child of my grandparents, born between my mother and my aunt, perhaps put up for adoption? Age-wise, this match could be that offspring's grandson, my 1C1R. Or, a child born out of wedlock to my aunt (possible, but I think I would have heard about) and this would be her grandson, also my 1C1R? Which makes most sense with the numbers, or are both possible?
I now have my nephew's (brother's son) shared DNA with this match is 751 cM. My daughter's is 560 cM. What does that tell us?
autosomal-dna ancestry.com
autosomal-dna ancestry.com
edited Jan 10 at 6:23
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LINDALINDA
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This all screams "FAMILY SECRET"! Did your ancestors live in an area (countryside, island), where marriages between close relatives (e.g. cousins) were common? This might bring you genetically closer to relatives than usual...
– Marzipanherz
Jan 8 at 20:34
No, that was not the case at all. We all lived in the city and very close to one another.
– LINDA
Jan 9 at 0:06
add a comment |
This all screams "FAMILY SECRET"! Did your ancestors live in an area (countryside, island), where marriages between close relatives (e.g. cousins) were common? This might bring you genetically closer to relatives than usual...
– Marzipanherz
Jan 8 at 20:34
No, that was not the case at all. We all lived in the city and very close to one another.
– LINDA
Jan 9 at 0:06
This all screams "FAMILY SECRET"! Did your ancestors live in an area (countryside, island), where marriages between close relatives (e.g. cousins) were common? This might bring you genetically closer to relatives than usual...
– Marzipanherz
Jan 8 at 20:34
This all screams "FAMILY SECRET"! Did your ancestors live in an area (countryside, island), where marriages between close relatives (e.g. cousins) were common? This might bring you genetically closer to relatives than usual...
– Marzipanherz
Jan 8 at 20:34
No, that was not the case at all. We all lived in the city and very close to one another.
– LINDA
Jan 9 at 0:06
No, that was not the case at all. We all lived in the city and very close to one another.
– LINDA
Jan 9 at 0:06
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You're starting off with a doozy of a match. Yep, something's going on here.
Let's start with the shared cM project. Looking at the total cM match only, your possibilities for a 1,193 cM match include:
- Great grandparent (range 464-1486)
- Grandparent (1156-2311)
- Half aunt/uncle (500-1446)
- Great aunt/uncle (251-2108)
- 1st cousin (553-1225)
We can rule out great grandparent based on your age difference with the match. Grandparent is not very likely but is possible...only if a child of yours (probably a son) had a child as a teen, who then had a child as a teen).
If you had a half sibling you didn't know about, this match could be their child, making you a half aunt.
If you had a full sibling you didn't know about, this could be that child's child, making you a great aunt.
If your mother had a half sibling you didn't know about, you could be their half niece. The age difference makes this extremely unlikely to the point of ruling it out. Your match can not be the child of your mother's half sibling because a half 1st cousin has a range of only 137-856 cM. You can also mostly rule out this possibility because your match shares matches with you for both sides of your mother's heritage. A half sibling of hers would not.
If your mother had a full sibling you didn't know about, a child of that sibling would be your 1st cousin and that would fit. That sibling would have to be younger than your mother. But your match can not be the grandchild of your mother's full sibling because a 1st cousin once removed has a range of only 141-851 cM.
Another possibility is your known aunt had a child at age 48 who she gave up for adoption, or sent off with friends or relatives and didn't tell anyone. It's unusual but not unheard of to have a child that late. And I can see people not wanting to raise a new child at that age. It's also possible this child would have a different father from your known 1st cousin (it makes no difference to your match).
At this point, you need more data. Hopefully your match will respond to you and tell you the relationship, or give you a few clues. You also want to test other relatives and see what cMs they have in common with your new match.
Ask your nephew to report his cM total with this match! It's even better if 3 of you upload to Gedmatch.com, though I realize that can be tough to get people to do it (it's not hard and it's free though).
What's the most likely scenario here? I'd say it's that you have a half sibling and this is that half sibling's child. But it could be other things, so keep finding evidence and narrowing things down.
Questioner has updated that her nephew's (brother's son) shared DNA with this match is 751 cM.
Your nephew has a large number of possible relationships with your new match:
- Half great aunt/uncle.
- Half aunt/uncle.
- Half 1st cousin.
- Great grandparent.
- Great aunt/uncle.
- Great grand aunt/uncle.
- 1st cousin.
- 1st cousin once removed.
Now the job is to figure out the (adjusted) relationships you can both have.
There is a tiny chance this is your grandchild (since I don't know the ages of your kids, if any), which would make your nephew's relationship 1C1R, which fits.
If the match is your half sibling's child, it would be your nephew's half 1st cousin. Fits.
If the match is your full sibling's grandchild (but not your brother's grandchild), it would be your nephew's 1C1R. Fits.
If the match is your brother's grandchild, this would make your nephew the match's uncle or half uncle. Uncle is impossible but half uncle fits. This would mean that your nephew has a half sibling and this match is that half sibling's child.
If the match is the child of your mother's full sibling (your known aunt or someone you don't know about), your 1st cousin, this would make your nephew a 1C1R, which fits.
Unfortunately, your nephew's DNA rules out only one small possibility out of several. Your brother's DNA would help. And your mother's and aunt's, if they're still alive (and if you can ask them, maybe they'll tell you the family secret).
Let us know if you have more information.
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I appreciate all of your suggestions, I have also contacted me nephew to get his info for comparison. Thanks so much!!
– LINDA
Jan 9 at 0:23
Cyn, my nephew's (brother's son) shared DNA with this match is 751 cM. My daughter's is 560 cM. What does that tell us?
– LINDA
Jan 9 at 13:10
Thanks @LINDA. I edited your question to add this information and also edited my answer to reflect it. Sorry to say, the conclusion is, you need more data.
– Cyn
Jan 9 at 15:20
My children are 42-36-31-28, so not a grandson.
– LINDA
Jan 10 at 15:02
I figured that would be an easy one to rule out. Thanks for adding that info.
– Cyn
Jan 10 at 15:19
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I used What Are The Odds? to build a tree with the given data and hypotheses:
The predictions, with relative probabilities, are:
- Hypothesis 4 (Linda is half-aunt): 41
- Hypothesis 3 (Linda is great-aunt): 7
- Hypothesis 6 (Linda is first cousin through her aunt): 7
- Hypothesis 8 (Linda is first cousin through a mystery aunt/uncle): 7
- Hypothesis 2 (Linda is an aunt through a mystery sibling): 1
Thus, the likeliest explanation is that Linda's mother had a child with a man who was not Linda's father and that this unknown half-sibling had a child who is the match.
Credit is due to Cyn for their hypotheses.
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Thanks, Ellen! In your first paragraph, should that say "this unknown half-brother/sister" had a child who is the match?
– LINDA
Jan 11 at 12:44
@LINDA yes, fixed.
– Ellen Spertus
Jan 11 at 15:33
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You're starting off with a doozy of a match. Yep, something's going on here.
Let's start with the shared cM project. Looking at the total cM match only, your possibilities for a 1,193 cM match include:
- Great grandparent (range 464-1486)
- Grandparent (1156-2311)
- Half aunt/uncle (500-1446)
- Great aunt/uncle (251-2108)
- 1st cousin (553-1225)
We can rule out great grandparent based on your age difference with the match. Grandparent is not very likely but is possible...only if a child of yours (probably a son) had a child as a teen, who then had a child as a teen).
If you had a half sibling you didn't know about, this match could be their child, making you a half aunt.
If you had a full sibling you didn't know about, this could be that child's child, making you a great aunt.
If your mother had a half sibling you didn't know about, you could be their half niece. The age difference makes this extremely unlikely to the point of ruling it out. Your match can not be the child of your mother's half sibling because a half 1st cousin has a range of only 137-856 cM. You can also mostly rule out this possibility because your match shares matches with you for both sides of your mother's heritage. A half sibling of hers would not.
If your mother had a full sibling you didn't know about, a child of that sibling would be your 1st cousin and that would fit. That sibling would have to be younger than your mother. But your match can not be the grandchild of your mother's full sibling because a 1st cousin once removed has a range of only 141-851 cM.
Another possibility is your known aunt had a child at age 48 who she gave up for adoption, or sent off with friends or relatives and didn't tell anyone. It's unusual but not unheard of to have a child that late. And I can see people not wanting to raise a new child at that age. It's also possible this child would have a different father from your known 1st cousin (it makes no difference to your match).
At this point, you need more data. Hopefully your match will respond to you and tell you the relationship, or give you a few clues. You also want to test other relatives and see what cMs they have in common with your new match.
Ask your nephew to report his cM total with this match! It's even better if 3 of you upload to Gedmatch.com, though I realize that can be tough to get people to do it (it's not hard and it's free though).
What's the most likely scenario here? I'd say it's that you have a half sibling and this is that half sibling's child. But it could be other things, so keep finding evidence and narrowing things down.
Questioner has updated that her nephew's (brother's son) shared DNA with this match is 751 cM.
Your nephew has a large number of possible relationships with your new match:
- Half great aunt/uncle.
- Half aunt/uncle.
- Half 1st cousin.
- Great grandparent.
- Great aunt/uncle.
- Great grand aunt/uncle.
- 1st cousin.
- 1st cousin once removed.
Now the job is to figure out the (adjusted) relationships you can both have.
There is a tiny chance this is your grandchild (since I don't know the ages of your kids, if any), which would make your nephew's relationship 1C1R, which fits.
If the match is your half sibling's child, it would be your nephew's half 1st cousin. Fits.
If the match is your full sibling's grandchild (but not your brother's grandchild), it would be your nephew's 1C1R. Fits.
If the match is your brother's grandchild, this would make your nephew the match's uncle or half uncle. Uncle is impossible but half uncle fits. This would mean that your nephew has a half sibling and this match is that half sibling's child.
If the match is the child of your mother's full sibling (your known aunt or someone you don't know about), your 1st cousin, this would make your nephew a 1C1R, which fits.
Unfortunately, your nephew's DNA rules out only one small possibility out of several. Your brother's DNA would help. And your mother's and aunt's, if they're still alive (and if you can ask them, maybe they'll tell you the family secret).
Let us know if you have more information.
1
I appreciate all of your suggestions, I have also contacted me nephew to get his info for comparison. Thanks so much!!
– LINDA
Jan 9 at 0:23
Cyn, my nephew's (brother's son) shared DNA with this match is 751 cM. My daughter's is 560 cM. What does that tell us?
– LINDA
Jan 9 at 13:10
Thanks @LINDA. I edited your question to add this information and also edited my answer to reflect it. Sorry to say, the conclusion is, you need more data.
– Cyn
Jan 9 at 15:20
My children are 42-36-31-28, so not a grandson.
– LINDA
Jan 10 at 15:02
I figured that would be an easy one to rule out. Thanks for adding that info.
– Cyn
Jan 10 at 15:19
|
show 7 more comments
You're starting off with a doozy of a match. Yep, something's going on here.
Let's start with the shared cM project. Looking at the total cM match only, your possibilities for a 1,193 cM match include:
- Great grandparent (range 464-1486)
- Grandparent (1156-2311)
- Half aunt/uncle (500-1446)
- Great aunt/uncle (251-2108)
- 1st cousin (553-1225)
We can rule out great grandparent based on your age difference with the match. Grandparent is not very likely but is possible...only if a child of yours (probably a son) had a child as a teen, who then had a child as a teen).
If you had a half sibling you didn't know about, this match could be their child, making you a half aunt.
If you had a full sibling you didn't know about, this could be that child's child, making you a great aunt.
If your mother had a half sibling you didn't know about, you could be their half niece. The age difference makes this extremely unlikely to the point of ruling it out. Your match can not be the child of your mother's half sibling because a half 1st cousin has a range of only 137-856 cM. You can also mostly rule out this possibility because your match shares matches with you for both sides of your mother's heritage. A half sibling of hers would not.
If your mother had a full sibling you didn't know about, a child of that sibling would be your 1st cousin and that would fit. That sibling would have to be younger than your mother. But your match can not be the grandchild of your mother's full sibling because a 1st cousin once removed has a range of only 141-851 cM.
Another possibility is your known aunt had a child at age 48 who she gave up for adoption, or sent off with friends or relatives and didn't tell anyone. It's unusual but not unheard of to have a child that late. And I can see people not wanting to raise a new child at that age. It's also possible this child would have a different father from your known 1st cousin (it makes no difference to your match).
At this point, you need more data. Hopefully your match will respond to you and tell you the relationship, or give you a few clues. You also want to test other relatives and see what cMs they have in common with your new match.
Ask your nephew to report his cM total with this match! It's even better if 3 of you upload to Gedmatch.com, though I realize that can be tough to get people to do it (it's not hard and it's free though).
What's the most likely scenario here? I'd say it's that you have a half sibling and this is that half sibling's child. But it could be other things, so keep finding evidence and narrowing things down.
Questioner has updated that her nephew's (brother's son) shared DNA with this match is 751 cM.
Your nephew has a large number of possible relationships with your new match:
- Half great aunt/uncle.
- Half aunt/uncle.
- Half 1st cousin.
- Great grandparent.
- Great aunt/uncle.
- Great grand aunt/uncle.
- 1st cousin.
- 1st cousin once removed.
Now the job is to figure out the (adjusted) relationships you can both have.
There is a tiny chance this is your grandchild (since I don't know the ages of your kids, if any), which would make your nephew's relationship 1C1R, which fits.
If the match is your half sibling's child, it would be your nephew's half 1st cousin. Fits.
If the match is your full sibling's grandchild (but not your brother's grandchild), it would be your nephew's 1C1R. Fits.
If the match is your brother's grandchild, this would make your nephew the match's uncle or half uncle. Uncle is impossible but half uncle fits. This would mean that your nephew has a half sibling and this match is that half sibling's child.
If the match is the child of your mother's full sibling (your known aunt or someone you don't know about), your 1st cousin, this would make your nephew a 1C1R, which fits.
Unfortunately, your nephew's DNA rules out only one small possibility out of several. Your brother's DNA would help. And your mother's and aunt's, if they're still alive (and if you can ask them, maybe they'll tell you the family secret).
Let us know if you have more information.
1
I appreciate all of your suggestions, I have also contacted me nephew to get his info for comparison. Thanks so much!!
– LINDA
Jan 9 at 0:23
Cyn, my nephew's (brother's son) shared DNA with this match is 751 cM. My daughter's is 560 cM. What does that tell us?
– LINDA
Jan 9 at 13:10
Thanks @LINDA. I edited your question to add this information and also edited my answer to reflect it. Sorry to say, the conclusion is, you need more data.
– Cyn
Jan 9 at 15:20
My children are 42-36-31-28, so not a grandson.
– LINDA
Jan 10 at 15:02
I figured that would be an easy one to rule out. Thanks for adding that info.
– Cyn
Jan 10 at 15:19
|
show 7 more comments
You're starting off with a doozy of a match. Yep, something's going on here.
Let's start with the shared cM project. Looking at the total cM match only, your possibilities for a 1,193 cM match include:
- Great grandparent (range 464-1486)
- Grandparent (1156-2311)
- Half aunt/uncle (500-1446)
- Great aunt/uncle (251-2108)
- 1st cousin (553-1225)
We can rule out great grandparent based on your age difference with the match. Grandparent is not very likely but is possible...only if a child of yours (probably a son) had a child as a teen, who then had a child as a teen).
If you had a half sibling you didn't know about, this match could be their child, making you a half aunt.
If you had a full sibling you didn't know about, this could be that child's child, making you a great aunt.
If your mother had a half sibling you didn't know about, you could be their half niece. The age difference makes this extremely unlikely to the point of ruling it out. Your match can not be the child of your mother's half sibling because a half 1st cousin has a range of only 137-856 cM. You can also mostly rule out this possibility because your match shares matches with you for both sides of your mother's heritage. A half sibling of hers would not.
If your mother had a full sibling you didn't know about, a child of that sibling would be your 1st cousin and that would fit. That sibling would have to be younger than your mother. But your match can not be the grandchild of your mother's full sibling because a 1st cousin once removed has a range of only 141-851 cM.
Another possibility is your known aunt had a child at age 48 who she gave up for adoption, or sent off with friends or relatives and didn't tell anyone. It's unusual but not unheard of to have a child that late. And I can see people not wanting to raise a new child at that age. It's also possible this child would have a different father from your known 1st cousin (it makes no difference to your match).
At this point, you need more data. Hopefully your match will respond to you and tell you the relationship, or give you a few clues. You also want to test other relatives and see what cMs they have in common with your new match.
Ask your nephew to report his cM total with this match! It's even better if 3 of you upload to Gedmatch.com, though I realize that can be tough to get people to do it (it's not hard and it's free though).
What's the most likely scenario here? I'd say it's that you have a half sibling and this is that half sibling's child. But it could be other things, so keep finding evidence and narrowing things down.
Questioner has updated that her nephew's (brother's son) shared DNA with this match is 751 cM.
Your nephew has a large number of possible relationships with your new match:
- Half great aunt/uncle.
- Half aunt/uncle.
- Half 1st cousin.
- Great grandparent.
- Great aunt/uncle.
- Great grand aunt/uncle.
- 1st cousin.
- 1st cousin once removed.
Now the job is to figure out the (adjusted) relationships you can both have.
There is a tiny chance this is your grandchild (since I don't know the ages of your kids, if any), which would make your nephew's relationship 1C1R, which fits.
If the match is your half sibling's child, it would be your nephew's half 1st cousin. Fits.
If the match is your full sibling's grandchild (but not your brother's grandchild), it would be your nephew's 1C1R. Fits.
If the match is your brother's grandchild, this would make your nephew the match's uncle or half uncle. Uncle is impossible but half uncle fits. This would mean that your nephew has a half sibling and this match is that half sibling's child.
If the match is the child of your mother's full sibling (your known aunt or someone you don't know about), your 1st cousin, this would make your nephew a 1C1R, which fits.
Unfortunately, your nephew's DNA rules out only one small possibility out of several. Your brother's DNA would help. And your mother's and aunt's, if they're still alive (and if you can ask them, maybe they'll tell you the family secret).
Let us know if you have more information.
You're starting off with a doozy of a match. Yep, something's going on here.
Let's start with the shared cM project. Looking at the total cM match only, your possibilities for a 1,193 cM match include:
- Great grandparent (range 464-1486)
- Grandparent (1156-2311)
- Half aunt/uncle (500-1446)
- Great aunt/uncle (251-2108)
- 1st cousin (553-1225)
We can rule out great grandparent based on your age difference with the match. Grandparent is not very likely but is possible...only if a child of yours (probably a son) had a child as a teen, who then had a child as a teen).
If you had a half sibling you didn't know about, this match could be their child, making you a half aunt.
If you had a full sibling you didn't know about, this could be that child's child, making you a great aunt.
If your mother had a half sibling you didn't know about, you could be their half niece. The age difference makes this extremely unlikely to the point of ruling it out. Your match can not be the child of your mother's half sibling because a half 1st cousin has a range of only 137-856 cM. You can also mostly rule out this possibility because your match shares matches with you for both sides of your mother's heritage. A half sibling of hers would not.
If your mother had a full sibling you didn't know about, a child of that sibling would be your 1st cousin and that would fit. That sibling would have to be younger than your mother. But your match can not be the grandchild of your mother's full sibling because a 1st cousin once removed has a range of only 141-851 cM.
Another possibility is your known aunt had a child at age 48 who she gave up for adoption, or sent off with friends or relatives and didn't tell anyone. It's unusual but not unheard of to have a child that late. And I can see people not wanting to raise a new child at that age. It's also possible this child would have a different father from your known 1st cousin (it makes no difference to your match).
At this point, you need more data. Hopefully your match will respond to you and tell you the relationship, or give you a few clues. You also want to test other relatives and see what cMs they have in common with your new match.
Ask your nephew to report his cM total with this match! It's even better if 3 of you upload to Gedmatch.com, though I realize that can be tough to get people to do it (it's not hard and it's free though).
What's the most likely scenario here? I'd say it's that you have a half sibling and this is that half sibling's child. But it could be other things, so keep finding evidence and narrowing things down.
Questioner has updated that her nephew's (brother's son) shared DNA with this match is 751 cM.
Your nephew has a large number of possible relationships with your new match:
- Half great aunt/uncle.
- Half aunt/uncle.
- Half 1st cousin.
- Great grandparent.
- Great aunt/uncle.
- Great grand aunt/uncle.
- 1st cousin.
- 1st cousin once removed.
Now the job is to figure out the (adjusted) relationships you can both have.
There is a tiny chance this is your grandchild (since I don't know the ages of your kids, if any), which would make your nephew's relationship 1C1R, which fits.
If the match is your half sibling's child, it would be your nephew's half 1st cousin. Fits.
If the match is your full sibling's grandchild (but not your brother's grandchild), it would be your nephew's 1C1R. Fits.
If the match is your brother's grandchild, this would make your nephew the match's uncle or half uncle. Uncle is impossible but half uncle fits. This would mean that your nephew has a half sibling and this match is that half sibling's child.
If the match is the child of your mother's full sibling (your known aunt or someone you don't know about), your 1st cousin, this would make your nephew a 1C1R, which fits.
Unfortunately, your nephew's DNA rules out only one small possibility out of several. Your brother's DNA would help. And your mother's and aunt's, if they're still alive (and if you can ask them, maybe they'll tell you the family secret).
Let us know if you have more information.
edited Jan 10 at 6:23
PolyGeo♦
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answered Jan 8 at 17:25
CynCyn
1,482121
1,482121
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I appreciate all of your suggestions, I have also contacted me nephew to get his info for comparison. Thanks so much!!
– LINDA
Jan 9 at 0:23
Cyn, my nephew's (brother's son) shared DNA with this match is 751 cM. My daughter's is 560 cM. What does that tell us?
– LINDA
Jan 9 at 13:10
Thanks @LINDA. I edited your question to add this information and also edited my answer to reflect it. Sorry to say, the conclusion is, you need more data.
– Cyn
Jan 9 at 15:20
My children are 42-36-31-28, so not a grandson.
– LINDA
Jan 10 at 15:02
I figured that would be an easy one to rule out. Thanks for adding that info.
– Cyn
Jan 10 at 15:19
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I appreciate all of your suggestions, I have also contacted me nephew to get his info for comparison. Thanks so much!!
– LINDA
Jan 9 at 0:23
Cyn, my nephew's (brother's son) shared DNA with this match is 751 cM. My daughter's is 560 cM. What does that tell us?
– LINDA
Jan 9 at 13:10
Thanks @LINDA. I edited your question to add this information and also edited my answer to reflect it. Sorry to say, the conclusion is, you need more data.
– Cyn
Jan 9 at 15:20
My children are 42-36-31-28, so not a grandson.
– LINDA
Jan 10 at 15:02
I figured that would be an easy one to rule out. Thanks for adding that info.
– Cyn
Jan 10 at 15:19
1
1
I appreciate all of your suggestions, I have also contacted me nephew to get his info for comparison. Thanks so much!!
– LINDA
Jan 9 at 0:23
I appreciate all of your suggestions, I have also contacted me nephew to get his info for comparison. Thanks so much!!
– LINDA
Jan 9 at 0:23
Cyn, my nephew's (brother's son) shared DNA with this match is 751 cM. My daughter's is 560 cM. What does that tell us?
– LINDA
Jan 9 at 13:10
Cyn, my nephew's (brother's son) shared DNA with this match is 751 cM. My daughter's is 560 cM. What does that tell us?
– LINDA
Jan 9 at 13:10
Thanks @LINDA. I edited your question to add this information and also edited my answer to reflect it. Sorry to say, the conclusion is, you need more data.
– Cyn
Jan 9 at 15:20
Thanks @LINDA. I edited your question to add this information and also edited my answer to reflect it. Sorry to say, the conclusion is, you need more data.
– Cyn
Jan 9 at 15:20
My children are 42-36-31-28, so not a grandson.
– LINDA
Jan 10 at 15:02
My children are 42-36-31-28, so not a grandson.
– LINDA
Jan 10 at 15:02
I figured that would be an easy one to rule out. Thanks for adding that info.
– Cyn
Jan 10 at 15:19
I figured that would be an easy one to rule out. Thanks for adding that info.
– Cyn
Jan 10 at 15:19
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I used What Are The Odds? to build a tree with the given data and hypotheses:
The predictions, with relative probabilities, are:
- Hypothesis 4 (Linda is half-aunt): 41
- Hypothesis 3 (Linda is great-aunt): 7
- Hypothesis 6 (Linda is first cousin through her aunt): 7
- Hypothesis 8 (Linda is first cousin through a mystery aunt/uncle): 7
- Hypothesis 2 (Linda is an aunt through a mystery sibling): 1
Thus, the likeliest explanation is that Linda's mother had a child with a man who was not Linda's father and that this unknown half-sibling had a child who is the match.
Credit is due to Cyn for their hypotheses.
1
Thanks, Ellen! In your first paragraph, should that say "this unknown half-brother/sister" had a child who is the match?
– LINDA
Jan 11 at 12:44
@LINDA yes, fixed.
– Ellen Spertus
Jan 11 at 15:33
add a comment |
I used What Are The Odds? to build a tree with the given data and hypotheses:
The predictions, with relative probabilities, are:
- Hypothesis 4 (Linda is half-aunt): 41
- Hypothesis 3 (Linda is great-aunt): 7
- Hypothesis 6 (Linda is first cousin through her aunt): 7
- Hypothesis 8 (Linda is first cousin through a mystery aunt/uncle): 7
- Hypothesis 2 (Linda is an aunt through a mystery sibling): 1
Thus, the likeliest explanation is that Linda's mother had a child with a man who was not Linda's father and that this unknown half-sibling had a child who is the match.
Credit is due to Cyn for their hypotheses.
1
Thanks, Ellen! In your first paragraph, should that say "this unknown half-brother/sister" had a child who is the match?
– LINDA
Jan 11 at 12:44
@LINDA yes, fixed.
– Ellen Spertus
Jan 11 at 15:33
add a comment |
I used What Are The Odds? to build a tree with the given data and hypotheses:
The predictions, with relative probabilities, are:
- Hypothesis 4 (Linda is half-aunt): 41
- Hypothesis 3 (Linda is great-aunt): 7
- Hypothesis 6 (Linda is first cousin through her aunt): 7
- Hypothesis 8 (Linda is first cousin through a mystery aunt/uncle): 7
- Hypothesis 2 (Linda is an aunt through a mystery sibling): 1
Thus, the likeliest explanation is that Linda's mother had a child with a man who was not Linda's father and that this unknown half-sibling had a child who is the match.
Credit is due to Cyn for their hypotheses.
I used What Are The Odds? to build a tree with the given data and hypotheses:
The predictions, with relative probabilities, are:
- Hypothesis 4 (Linda is half-aunt): 41
- Hypothesis 3 (Linda is great-aunt): 7
- Hypothesis 6 (Linda is first cousin through her aunt): 7
- Hypothesis 8 (Linda is first cousin through a mystery aunt/uncle): 7
- Hypothesis 2 (Linda is an aunt through a mystery sibling): 1
Thus, the likeliest explanation is that Linda's mother had a child with a man who was not Linda's father and that this unknown half-sibling had a child who is the match.
Credit is due to Cyn for their hypotheses.
edited Jan 11 at 20:55
PolyGeo♦
6,84752049
6,84752049
answered Jan 11 at 3:59
Ellen SpertusEllen Spertus
1,294426
1,294426
1
Thanks, Ellen! In your first paragraph, should that say "this unknown half-brother/sister" had a child who is the match?
– LINDA
Jan 11 at 12:44
@LINDA yes, fixed.
– Ellen Spertus
Jan 11 at 15:33
add a comment |
1
Thanks, Ellen! In your first paragraph, should that say "this unknown half-brother/sister" had a child who is the match?
– LINDA
Jan 11 at 12:44
@LINDA yes, fixed.
– Ellen Spertus
Jan 11 at 15:33
1
1
Thanks, Ellen! In your first paragraph, should that say "this unknown half-brother/sister" had a child who is the match?
– LINDA
Jan 11 at 12:44
Thanks, Ellen! In your first paragraph, should that say "this unknown half-brother/sister" had a child who is the match?
– LINDA
Jan 11 at 12:44
@LINDA yes, fixed.
– Ellen Spertus
Jan 11 at 15:33
@LINDA yes, fixed.
– Ellen Spertus
Jan 11 at 15:33
add a comment |
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This all screams "FAMILY SECRET"! Did your ancestors live in an area (countryside, island), where marriages between close relatives (e.g. cousins) were common? This might bring you genetically closer to relatives than usual...
– Marzipanherz
Jan 8 at 20:34
No, that was not the case at all. We all lived in the city and very close to one another.
– LINDA
Jan 9 at 0:06