Temperature coefficient MOSFET vs. temperature coefficient of BJT
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If you use transistors for an amplifier scheme, you want to make sure that when you parallel devices, you don't start to conduct more current if your transistors heat up.
I know that when using MOSFETs you always have negative feedback. If one takes more current, it will heat up more, and therefore the resistance will become bigger, and you will conduct less.
When using a BJT the device that dissipates the most current, will heat up most and will start conducting even more. This is unsafe and to solve this I always place a small resistance in series with the emitter.
But what is the physical explanation that in a MOSFET you have this positive temperature coefficient and in a BJT you have this negative coefficient?
mosfet amplifier bjt temperature parallel
edited Dec 28 '18 at 12:36
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If you use transistors for an amplifier scheme, you want to make sure that when you parallel devices, you don't start to conduct more current if your transistors heat up.
I know that when using MOSFETs you always have negative feedback. If one takes more current, it will heat up more, and therefore the resistance will become bigger, and you will conduct less.
When using a BJT the device that dissipates the most current, will heat up most and will start conducting even more. This is unsafe and to solve this I always place a small resistance in series with the emitter.
But what is the physical explanation that in a MOSFET you have this positive temperature coefficient and in a BJT you have this negative coefficient?
mosfet amplifier bjt temperature parallel
edited Dec 28 '18 at 12:36
Peter Mortensen
1,60031422
asked Dec 28 '18 at 8:37
J. JolyJ. Joly
658
Old style power mosfets were safe; the automotive industry and the satellite industry(JPL) discovered the new-style mosfets are not safe. NASA has some papers out on this.
– analogsystemsrf
Dec 28 '18 at 16:46
add a comment |
If you use transistors for an amplifier scheme, you want to make sure that when you parallel devices, you don't start to conduct more current if your transistors heat up.
I know that when using MOSFETs you always have negative feedback. If one takes more current, it will heat up more, and therefore the resistance will become bigger, and you will conduct less.
When using a BJT the device that dissipates the most current, will heat up most and will start conducting even more. This is unsafe and to solve this I always place a small resistance in series with the emitter.
But what is the physical explanation that in a MOSFET you have this positive temperature coefficient and in a BJT you have this negative coefficient?
mosfet amplifier bjt temperature parallel
edited Dec 28 '18 at 12:36
Peter Mortensen
1,60031422
asked Dec 28 '18 at 8:37
J. JolyJ. Joly
658
If you use transistors for an amplifier scheme, you want to make sure that when you parallel devices, you don't start to conduct more current if your transistors heat up.
I know that when using MOSFETs you always have negative feedback. If one takes more current, it will heat up more, and therefore the resistance will become bigger, and you will conduct less.
When using a BJT the device that dissipates the most current, will heat up most and will start conducting even more. This is unsafe and to solve this I always place a small resistance in series with the emitter.
But what is the physical explanation that in a MOSFET you have this positive temperature coefficient and in a BJT you have this negative coefficient?
mosfet amplifier bjt temperature parallel
mosfet amplifier bjt temperature parallel
edited Dec 28 '18 at 12:36
Peter Mortensen
1,60031422
asked Dec 28 '18 at 8:37
J. JolyJ. Joly
658
edited Dec 28 '18 at 12:36
Peter Mortensen
1,60031422
asked Dec 28 '18 at 8:37
J. JolyJ. Joly
658
edited Dec 28 '18 at 12:36
Peter Mortensen
1,60031422
edited Dec 28 '18 at 12:36
Peter Mortensen
1,60031422
edited Dec 28 '18 at 12:36
Peter Mortensen
1,60031422
1,60031422
asked Dec 28 '18 at 8:37
J. JolyJ. Joly
658
asked Dec 28 '18 at 8:37
J. JolyJ. Joly
658
asked Dec 28 '18 at 8:37
J. JolyJ. Joly
658
658
Old style power mosfets were safe; the automotive industry and the satellite industry(JPL) discovered the new-style mosfets are not safe. NASA has some papers out on this.
– analogsystemsrf
Dec 28 '18 at 16:46
add a comment |
Old style power mosfets were safe; the automotive industry and the satellite industry(JPL) discovered the new-style mosfets are not safe. NASA has some papers out on this.
– analogsystemsrf
Dec 28 '18 at 16:46
Old style power mosfets were safe; the automotive industry and the satellite industry(JPL) discovered the new-style mosfets are not safe. NASA has some papers out on this.
– analogsystemsrf
Dec 28 '18 at 16:46
Old style power mosfets were safe; the automotive industry and the satellite industry(JPL) discovered the new-style mosfets are not safe. NASA has some papers out on this.
– analogsystemsrf
Dec 28 '18 at 16:46
add a comment |
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I do not know the answer to your question about physic behind this.
But your statement about MOSFET temperature coefficient is only true when MOSFET work as a switch.
In linear region (saturation) most MOSFET will have as a negative temperature coefficient as BJT have.
And in general terms, the MOSFET can have negative, positive and zero temperature coefficient.
And we can see this on Transfer characteristic Id=f(Vgs) in the datasheet.
More here
https://www.infineon.com/dgdl/Infineon-ApplicationNote_Linear_Mode_Operation_Safe_Operation_Diagram_MOSFETs-AN-v01_00-EN.pdf?fileId=db3a30433e30e4bf013e3646e9381200
https://www.onsemi.com/pub/Collateral/AND8199-D.PDF
And here I found a specially designed MOSFET for audio amplifiers application.
http://www.exicon.info/PDFs/ecw20n20-z.pdf
As you can see for this lateral MOSFET if you set the quiescent current at Id > 0.2A you are in the safe zone (zero or positive temperature coefficient)
And no temperature compensation network is needed.
answered Dec 28 '18 at 9:09
G36G36
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okay good sidenote that I didn't know. Thanks, I'll keep this in mind! I was talking about an amplifier circuit, so as you mentioned I was using the MOSFET as a switch. But still have to keep your comment in mind! Thanks!
– J. Joly
Dec 28 '18 at 9:17
Related: electronics.stackexchange.com/a/357641/17387
– try-catch-finally
Dec 28 '18 at 9:25
1
@J.Joly Are you building a class D amplifier?
– G36
Dec 28 '18 at 10:13
3
That schematic shows a linear (not switching) amplifier so you are NOT using the MOSFET as a switch.
– Brian Drummond
Dec 28 '18 at 11:12
1
Also good read about this you can find here sound.whsites.net/articles/hexfet.htm#s51
– G36
Dec 28 '18 at 14:03
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I do not know the answer to your question about physic behind this.
But your statement about MOSFET temperature coefficient is only true when MOSFET work as a switch.
In linear region (saturation) most MOSFET will have as a negative temperature coefficient as BJT have.
And in general terms, the MOSFET can have negative, positive and zero temperature coefficient.
And we can see this on Transfer characteristic Id=f(Vgs) in the datasheet.
More here
https://www.infineon.com/dgdl/Infineon-ApplicationNote_Linear_Mode_Operation_Safe_Operation_Diagram_MOSFETs-AN-v01_00-EN.pdf?fileId=db3a30433e30e4bf013e3646e9381200
https://www.onsemi.com/pub/Collateral/AND8199-D.PDF
And here I found a specially designed MOSFET for audio amplifiers application.
http://www.exicon.info/PDFs/ecw20n20-z.pdf
As you can see for this lateral MOSFET if you set the quiescent current at Id > 0.2A you are in the safe zone (zero or positive temperature coefficient)
And no temperature compensation network is needed.
answered Dec 28 '18 at 9:09
G36G36
5,1451511
okay good sidenote that I didn't know. Thanks, I'll keep this in mind! I was talking about an amplifier circuit, so as you mentioned I was using the MOSFET as a switch. But still have to keep your comment in mind! Thanks!
– J. Joly
Dec 28 '18 at 9:17
Related: electronics.stackexchange.com/a/357641/17387
– try-catch-finally
Dec 28 '18 at 9:25
1
@J.Joly Are you building a class D amplifier?
– G36
Dec 28 '18 at 10:13
3
That schematic shows a linear (not switching) amplifier so you are NOT using the MOSFET as a switch.
– Brian Drummond
Dec 28 '18 at 11:12
1
Also good read about this you can find here sound.whsites.net/articles/hexfet.htm#s51
– G36
Dec 28 '18 at 14:03
|
show 4 more comments
I do not know the answer to your question about physic behind this.
But your statement about MOSFET temperature coefficient is only true when MOSFET work as a switch.
In linear region (saturation) most MOSFET will have as a negative temperature coefficient as BJT have.
And in general terms, the MOSFET can have negative, positive and zero temperature coefficient.
And we can see this on Transfer characteristic Id=f(Vgs) in the datasheet.
More here
https://www.infineon.com/dgdl/Infineon-ApplicationNote_Linear_Mode_Operation_Safe_Operation_Diagram_MOSFETs-AN-v01_00-EN.pdf?fileId=db3a30433e30e4bf013e3646e9381200
https://www.onsemi.com/pub/Collateral/AND8199-D.PDF
And here I found a specially designed MOSFET for audio amplifiers application.
http://www.exicon.info/PDFs/ecw20n20-z.pdf
As you can see for this lateral MOSFET if you set the quiescent current at Id > 0.2A you are in the safe zone (zero or positive temperature coefficient)
And no temperature compensation network is needed.
answered Dec 28 '18 at 9:09
G36G36
5,1451511
okay good sidenote that I didn't know. Thanks, I'll keep this in mind! I was talking about an amplifier circuit, so as you mentioned I was using the MOSFET as a switch. But still have to keep your comment in mind! Thanks!
– J. Joly
Dec 28 '18 at 9:17
Related: electronics.stackexchange.com/a/357641/17387
– try-catch-finally
Dec 28 '18 at 9:25
1
@J.Joly Are you building a class D amplifier?
– G36
Dec 28 '18 at 10:13
3
That schematic shows a linear (not switching) amplifier so you are NOT using the MOSFET as a switch.
– Brian Drummond
Dec 28 '18 at 11:12
1
Also good read about this you can find here sound.whsites.net/articles/hexfet.htm#s51
– G36
Dec 28 '18 at 14:03
|
show 4 more comments
I do not know the answer to your question about physic behind this.
But your statement about MOSFET temperature coefficient is only true when MOSFET work as a switch.
In linear region (saturation) most MOSFET will have as a negative temperature coefficient as BJT have.
And in general terms, the MOSFET can have negative, positive and zero temperature coefficient.
And we can see this on Transfer characteristic Id=f(Vgs) in the datasheet.
More here
https://www.infineon.com/dgdl/Infineon-ApplicationNote_Linear_Mode_Operation_Safe_Operation_Diagram_MOSFETs-AN-v01_00-EN.pdf?fileId=db3a30433e30e4bf013e3646e9381200
https://www.onsemi.com/pub/Collateral/AND8199-D.PDF
And here I found a specially designed MOSFET for audio amplifiers application.
http://www.exicon.info/PDFs/ecw20n20-z.pdf
As you can see for this lateral MOSFET if you set the quiescent current at Id > 0.2A you are in the safe zone (zero or positive temperature coefficient)
And no temperature compensation network is needed.
answered Dec 28 '18 at 9:09
G36G36
5,1451511
I do not know the answer to your question about physic behind this.
But your statement about MOSFET temperature coefficient is only true when MOSFET work as a switch.
In linear region (saturation) most MOSFET will have as a negative temperature coefficient as BJT have.
And in general terms, the MOSFET can have negative, positive and zero temperature coefficient.
And we can see this on Transfer characteristic Id=f(Vgs) in the datasheet.
More here
https://www.infineon.com/dgdl/Infineon-ApplicationNote_Linear_Mode_Operation_Safe_Operation_Diagram_MOSFETs-AN-v01_00-EN.pdf?fileId=db3a30433e30e4bf013e3646e9381200
https://www.onsemi.com/pub/Collateral/AND8199-D.PDF
And here I found a specially designed MOSFET for audio amplifiers application.
http://www.exicon.info/PDFs/ecw20n20-z.pdf
As you can see for this lateral MOSFET if you set the quiescent current at Id > 0.2A you are in the safe zone (zero or positive temperature coefficient)
And no temperature compensation network is needed.
answered Dec 28 '18 at 9:09
G36G36
5,1451511
edited Dec 28 '18 at 14:03
answered Dec 28 '18 at 9:09
G36G36
5,1451511
answered Dec 28 '18 at 9:09
G36G36
5,1451511
answered Dec 28 '18 at 9:09
G36G36
5,1451511
5,1451511
okay good sidenote that I didn't know. Thanks, I'll keep this in mind! I was talking about an amplifier circuit, so as you mentioned I was using the MOSFET as a switch. But still have to keep your comment in mind! Thanks!
– J. Joly
Dec 28 '18 at 9:17
Related: electronics.stackexchange.com/a/357641/17387
– try-catch-finally
Dec 28 '18 at 9:25
1
@J.Joly Are you building a class D amplifier?
– G36
Dec 28 '18 at 10:13
3
That schematic shows a linear (not switching) amplifier so you are NOT using the MOSFET as a switch.
– Brian Drummond
Dec 28 '18 at 11:12
1
Also good read about this you can find here sound.whsites.net/articles/hexfet.htm#s51
– G36
Dec 28 '18 at 14:03
|
show 4 more comments
okay good sidenote that I didn't know. Thanks, I'll keep this in mind! I was talking about an amplifier circuit, so as you mentioned I was using the MOSFET as a switch. But still have to keep your comment in mind! Thanks!
– J. Joly
Dec 28 '18 at 9:17
Related: electronics.stackexchange.com/a/357641/17387
– try-catch-finally
Dec 28 '18 at 9:25
1
@J.Joly Are you building a class D amplifier?
– G36
Dec 28 '18 at 10:13
3
That schematic shows a linear (not switching) amplifier so you are NOT using the MOSFET as a switch.
– Brian Drummond
Dec 28 '18 at 11:12
1
Also good read about this you can find here sound.whsites.net/articles/hexfet.htm#s51
– G36
Dec 28 '18 at 14:03
okay good sidenote that I didn't know. Thanks, I'll keep this in mind! I was talking about an amplifier circuit, so as you mentioned I was using the MOSFET as a switch. But still have to keep your comment in mind! Thanks!
– J. Joly
Dec 28 '18 at 9:17
okay good sidenote that I didn't know. Thanks, I'll keep this in mind! I was talking about an amplifier circuit, so as you mentioned I was using the MOSFET as a switch. But still have to keep your comment in mind! Thanks!
– J. Joly
Dec 28 '18 at 9:17
Related: electronics.stackexchange.com/a/357641/17387
– try-catch-finally
Dec 28 '18 at 9:25
Related: electronics.stackexchange.com/a/357641/17387
– try-catch-finally
Dec 28 '18 at 9:25
1
1
@J.Joly Are you building a class D amplifier?
– G36
Dec 28 '18 at 10:13
@J.Joly Are you building a class D amplifier?
– G36
Dec 28 '18 at 10:13
3
3
That schematic shows a linear (not switching) amplifier so you are NOT using the MOSFET as a switch.
– Brian Drummond
Dec 28 '18 at 11:12
That schematic shows a linear (not switching) amplifier so you are NOT using the MOSFET as a switch.
– Brian Drummond
Dec 28 '18 at 11:12
1
1
Also good read about this you can find here sound.whsites.net/articles/hexfet.htm#s51
– G36
Dec 28 '18 at 14:03
Also good read about this you can find here sound.whsites.net/articles/hexfet.htm#s51
– G36
Dec 28 '18 at 14:03
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Old style power mosfets were safe; the automotive industry and the satellite industry(JPL) discovered the new-style mosfets are not safe. NASA has some papers out on this.
– analogsystemsrf
Dec 28 '18 at 16:46