Can area of rectangle be greater than the square of its diagonal? [on hold]

The name of the pictureThe name of the pictureThe name of the pictureClash Royale CLAN TAG#URR8PPP











up vote
35
down vote

favorite
5













Q: A wall, rectangular in shape, has a perimeter of 72 m. If the length of its diagonal is 18 m, what is the area of the wall ?




The answer given to me is area of 486 m2. This is the explanation given to me
This is the explanation given to me




Is it possible to have a rectangle of diagonal 18 m and area greater than the area of a square of side 18 m ?











share|cite|improve this question









New contributor




user17838 is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.











put on hold as off-topic by user21820, John B, Holo, TheSimpliFire, Parcly Taxel 1 hour ago


This question appears to be off-topic. The users who voted to close gave this specific reason:


  • "This question is missing context or other details: Please improve the question by providing additional context, which ideally includes your thoughts on the problem and any attempts you have made to solve it. This information helps others identify where you have difficulties and helps them write answers appropriate to your experience level." – user21820, John B, Holo, TheSimpliFire, Parcly Taxel
If this question can be reworded to fit the rules in the help center, please edit the question.








  • 22




    The given solution is preposterous. (Note that for a rectangle with fixed perimeter, the diagonal is shortest when the rectangle is a square. Therefore the diagonal must be at least $18sqrt2 textrm m$ long.) On the bright side, perhaps you are better off not working for a company that won't listen to reason.
    – Théophile
    2 days ago







  • 8




    The area of the wall is $144h$ m$^2$, where $h$ is the height of the wall. (Note, trick question alert - the wall has two sides so the answer is not $72h$.) Oh, you mean you want the area enclosed by the wall? Then why didn't you say so???
    – alephzero
    2 days ago







  • 7




    In fairness, they do say "if the length of the diagonal is 18...". Given that this premise P is false (the diagonal cannot be 18!), any statement of the form "if P then X" is true, so they are right that the area may as well be 486!
    – amalloy
    2 days ago






  • 7




    The problem with the question is that if you solve for the side lengths you get complex numbers.
    – 1123581321
    2 days ago






  • 8




    @1123581321 Specifically, $l$ and $b$ are $18pm9isqrt2$.
    – Teepeemm
    2 days ago














up vote
35
down vote

favorite
5













Q: A wall, rectangular in shape, has a perimeter of 72 m. If the length of its diagonal is 18 m, what is the area of the wall ?




The answer given to me is area of 486 m2. This is the explanation given to me
This is the explanation given to me




Is it possible to have a rectangle of diagonal 18 m and area greater than the area of a square of side 18 m ?











share|cite|improve this question









New contributor




user17838 is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.











put on hold as off-topic by user21820, John B, Holo, TheSimpliFire, Parcly Taxel 1 hour ago


This question appears to be off-topic. The users who voted to close gave this specific reason:


  • "This question is missing context or other details: Please improve the question by providing additional context, which ideally includes your thoughts on the problem and any attempts you have made to solve it. This information helps others identify where you have difficulties and helps them write answers appropriate to your experience level." – user21820, John B, Holo, TheSimpliFire, Parcly Taxel
If this question can be reworded to fit the rules in the help center, please edit the question.








  • 22




    The given solution is preposterous. (Note that for a rectangle with fixed perimeter, the diagonal is shortest when the rectangle is a square. Therefore the diagonal must be at least $18sqrt2 textrm m$ long.) On the bright side, perhaps you are better off not working for a company that won't listen to reason.
    – Théophile
    2 days ago







  • 8




    The area of the wall is $144h$ m$^2$, where $h$ is the height of the wall. (Note, trick question alert - the wall has two sides so the answer is not $72h$.) Oh, you mean you want the area enclosed by the wall? Then why didn't you say so???
    – alephzero
    2 days ago







  • 7




    In fairness, they do say "if the length of the diagonal is 18...". Given that this premise P is false (the diagonal cannot be 18!), any statement of the form "if P then X" is true, so they are right that the area may as well be 486!
    – amalloy
    2 days ago






  • 7




    The problem with the question is that if you solve for the side lengths you get complex numbers.
    – 1123581321
    2 days ago






  • 8




    @1123581321 Specifically, $l$ and $b$ are $18pm9isqrt2$.
    – Teepeemm
    2 days ago












up vote
35
down vote

favorite
5









up vote
35
down vote

favorite
5






5






Q: A wall, rectangular in shape, has a perimeter of 72 m. If the length of its diagonal is 18 m, what is the area of the wall ?




The answer given to me is area of 486 m2. This is the explanation given to me
This is the explanation given to me




Is it possible to have a rectangle of diagonal 18 m and area greater than the area of a square of side 18 m ?











share|cite|improve this question









New contributor




user17838 is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.












Q: A wall, rectangular in shape, has a perimeter of 72 m. If the length of its diagonal is 18 m, what is the area of the wall ?




The answer given to me is area of 486 m2. This is the explanation given to me
This is the explanation given to me




Is it possible to have a rectangle of diagonal 18 m and area greater than the area of a square of side 18 m ?








geometry area






share|cite|improve this question









New contributor




user17838 is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.











share|cite|improve this question









New contributor




user17838 is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.









share|cite|improve this question




share|cite|improve this question








edited 2 days ago





















New contributor




user17838 is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.









asked 2 days ago









user17838

18326




18326




New contributor




user17838 is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.





New contributor





user17838 is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.






user17838 is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.




put on hold as off-topic by user21820, John B, Holo, TheSimpliFire, Parcly Taxel 1 hour ago


This question appears to be off-topic. The users who voted to close gave this specific reason:


  • "This question is missing context or other details: Please improve the question by providing additional context, which ideally includes your thoughts on the problem and any attempts you have made to solve it. This information helps others identify where you have difficulties and helps them write answers appropriate to your experience level." – user21820, John B, Holo, TheSimpliFire, Parcly Taxel
If this question can be reworded to fit the rules in the help center, please edit the question.




put on hold as off-topic by user21820, John B, Holo, TheSimpliFire, Parcly Taxel 1 hour ago


This question appears to be off-topic. The users who voted to close gave this specific reason:


  • "This question is missing context or other details: Please improve the question by providing additional context, which ideally includes your thoughts on the problem and any attempts you have made to solve it. This information helps others identify where you have difficulties and helps them write answers appropriate to your experience level." – user21820, John B, Holo, TheSimpliFire, Parcly Taxel
If this question can be reworded to fit the rules in the help center, please edit the question.







  • 22




    The given solution is preposterous. (Note that for a rectangle with fixed perimeter, the diagonal is shortest when the rectangle is a square. Therefore the diagonal must be at least $18sqrt2 textrm m$ long.) On the bright side, perhaps you are better off not working for a company that won't listen to reason.
    – Théophile
    2 days ago







  • 8




    The area of the wall is $144h$ m$^2$, where $h$ is the height of the wall. (Note, trick question alert - the wall has two sides so the answer is not $72h$.) Oh, you mean you want the area enclosed by the wall? Then why didn't you say so???
    – alephzero
    2 days ago







  • 7




    In fairness, they do say "if the length of the diagonal is 18...". Given that this premise P is false (the diagonal cannot be 18!), any statement of the form "if P then X" is true, so they are right that the area may as well be 486!
    – amalloy
    2 days ago






  • 7




    The problem with the question is that if you solve for the side lengths you get complex numbers.
    – 1123581321
    2 days ago






  • 8




    @1123581321 Specifically, $l$ and $b$ are $18pm9isqrt2$.
    – Teepeemm
    2 days ago












  • 22




    The given solution is preposterous. (Note that for a rectangle with fixed perimeter, the diagonal is shortest when the rectangle is a square. Therefore the diagonal must be at least $18sqrt2 textrm m$ long.) On the bright side, perhaps you are better off not working for a company that won't listen to reason.
    – Théophile
    2 days ago







  • 8




    The area of the wall is $144h$ m$^2$, where $h$ is the height of the wall. (Note, trick question alert - the wall has two sides so the answer is not $72h$.) Oh, you mean you want the area enclosed by the wall? Then why didn't you say so???
    – alephzero
    2 days ago







  • 7




    In fairness, they do say "if the length of the diagonal is 18...". Given that this premise P is false (the diagonal cannot be 18!), any statement of the form "if P then X" is true, so they are right that the area may as well be 486!
    – amalloy
    2 days ago






  • 7




    The problem with the question is that if you solve for the side lengths you get complex numbers.
    – 1123581321
    2 days ago






  • 8




    @1123581321 Specifically, $l$ and $b$ are $18pm9isqrt2$.
    – Teepeemm
    2 days ago







22




22




The given solution is preposterous. (Note that for a rectangle with fixed perimeter, the diagonal is shortest when the rectangle is a square. Therefore the diagonal must be at least $18sqrt2 textrm m$ long.) On the bright side, perhaps you are better off not working for a company that won't listen to reason.
– Théophile
2 days ago





The given solution is preposterous. (Note that for a rectangle with fixed perimeter, the diagonal is shortest when the rectangle is a square. Therefore the diagonal must be at least $18sqrt2 textrm m$ long.) On the bright side, perhaps you are better off not working for a company that won't listen to reason.
– Théophile
2 days ago





8




8




The area of the wall is $144h$ m$^2$, where $h$ is the height of the wall. (Note, trick question alert - the wall has two sides so the answer is not $72h$.) Oh, you mean you want the area enclosed by the wall? Then why didn't you say so???
– alephzero
2 days ago





The area of the wall is $144h$ m$^2$, where $h$ is the height of the wall. (Note, trick question alert - the wall has two sides so the answer is not $72h$.) Oh, you mean you want the area enclosed by the wall? Then why didn't you say so???
– alephzero
2 days ago





7




7




In fairness, they do say "if the length of the diagonal is 18...". Given that this premise P is false (the diagonal cannot be 18!), any statement of the form "if P then X" is true, so they are right that the area may as well be 486!
– amalloy
2 days ago




In fairness, they do say "if the length of the diagonal is 18...". Given that this premise P is false (the diagonal cannot be 18!), any statement of the form "if P then X" is true, so they are right that the area may as well be 486!
– amalloy
2 days ago




7




7




The problem with the question is that if you solve for the side lengths you get complex numbers.
– 1123581321
2 days ago




The problem with the question is that if you solve for the side lengths you get complex numbers.
– 1123581321
2 days ago




8




8




@1123581321 Specifically, $l$ and $b$ are $18pm9isqrt2$.
– Teepeemm
2 days ago




@1123581321 Specifically, $l$ and $b$ are $18pm9isqrt2$.
– Teepeemm
2 days ago










12 Answers
12






active

oldest

votes

















up vote
75
down vote



accepted










The area of the square built on the diagonal must be at least twice the area of the rectangle:



$hskip 4 cm$ enter image description here






share|cite|improve this answer



























    up vote
    68
    down vote













    Another proof without words, at the suggestion of Semiclassical:



    enter image description here



    The dark rectangle has some fixed diagonal $d$. The large square has area $d^2$.






    share|cite|improve this answer






















    • +1 It is often useful to consider the extremes, similar to "annulus" type problems. there is no solution for the perimeter between l=0 and l=18, therefore the perimeter or the diagonal has been misstated. A graph of the length vs perimeter would show the same.
      – mckenzm
      2 days ago






    • 1




      Here is a more dynamic, animated version of the same picture.
      – Xander Henderson
      yesterday

















    up vote
    28
    down vote













    A simple explanation without proof or pictures:



    The diagonal of a rectangle is at least as long as each of its sides, so the square of the diagonal must be at least the product of the sides.






    share|cite|improve this answer






















    • Great explanation, but that “it's” is jarring...
      – DaG
      18 hours ago










    • Sorry! This is my number 1 typo, and I miss it all the time in proofreading. Fixed now, thanks!
      – AlexanderJ93
      18 hours ago










    • +1 Thank you for the one-line proof!
      – DaG
      18 hours ago

















    up vote
    20
    down vote













    In fact, the squared diagonal must be at least twice the area, i.e. $a^2+b^2ge 2ab$ if orthogonal sides' lengths are $a,,b$. Why? Because the difference is $(a-b)^2ge 0$.






    share|cite|improve this answer



























      up vote
      8
      down vote













      You can prove that no such rectangle exists as follows:



      Let $l ge b$ (one side of the rectangle has to be the longest). Since $2l+2b=72$ you have $2lge l+b= 36$ so $l ge 18$



      Then the diagonal of a right-angled triangle is the longest side so $dgt lge 18$ for a non-degenerate triangle, and the only degenerate case which arises is with $l=36, b=0, d=36$.



      The answer given, though arithmetically correct does not represent a real wall.




      I am not sure what the question means, though, as it is curiously phrased. The question asks for "the area of the wall" and not "the area of the rectangle bounded by the wall" and had the answer not been set out, I might have been thinking of a wall of uniform thickness and external perimeter $72$ and an internal diagonal of $18$ to make any sense of it.






      share|cite|improve this answer




















      • To address your comment at the end, I'm pretty sure they mean "a wall" as in "one of the (usually) four walls of a room", not as in "a wall surrounding an area of land". So the wall itself is a rectangular surface, with width $ell$ and height $b$.
        – Ilmari Karonen
        2 days ago






      • 1




        @IlmariKaronen Just goes to show how careful one has to be reading and interpreting (and setting) questions.
        – Mark Bennet
        yesterday


















      up vote
      4
      down vote













      No. As others have said.



      What this looks like to me (as someone who has taught HS Chem & Physics for years and has helped write middle school math content) is a question written trying to get someone to put together the solution as shown, but without checking whether the numbers given make any real-world sense. I have certainly made this mistake myself, even though I try really hard to catch it.



      If this is a standardized test question (or one from a textbook, practice book, online resource, etc.), fair play, we've caught a poorly written question.



      If this is a question you are writing yourself, and you want to improve it, you could change the parameters this way:



      Total perimeter: 70
      Diagonal: 25 (I don't think you'll find any nice whole numbers - aka pythagorean triples - using a perimeter of 72.)



      This should now give the solution of:



      • $I^2 + B^2 = 25^2 = 625 $

      • $2I + 2B = 70 $

      • $I + B = 35 $

      • $I^2 + 2IB + B^2 = 1,225 $

      • $2IB = 600 $


      • $IB = 300$ ,

      which makes sense, given that I used a (3,4,5) right triangle (scaled by 5) in my setup. (Which means that I = 15 and B = 20, for a hypotenuse of 25.)



      Hope that helps!



      -Van






      share|cite|improve this answer








      New contributor




      Van is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
      Check out our Code of Conduct.
























        up vote
        4
        down vote













        Another PWW (noted by AlexanderJ93 and others):



        $hspace5cm$![enter image description here






        share|cite|improve this answer



























          up vote
          3
          down vote













          No, use the Pythagorean Theorem.



          $$c^2 = a^2+b^2$$



          $c$ is the length of the diagonal. It divides the rectangle into two congruent right triangles with hypotenuse $c$. $a$ and $b$ are the pairs of sides of the rectangle (and the other two sides of each congruent right triangle).



          Recall for any real number, its square must be non-negative.



          $$(a-b)^2 geq 0 implies a^2-2ab+b^2 geq 0 implies colorbluea^2+b^2 geq 2ab$$



          The area of the rectangle is $ab$, but $c^2 geq 2ab$, so the square of the diagonal is at least twice the area of the rectangle.



          Now, to find the area itself.



          For the diagonal:



          $$c^2 = a^2+b^2$$



          $$implies 18^2 = a^2+b^2$$



          $$colorblue324 = a^2+b^2 tag1$$



          For the perimeter:



          $$2(a+b) = 72$$



          $$a+b = 36$$



          Now, define one variable in terms of the other.



          $$colorpurplea = 36-b tag2$$



          Combine $(1)$ and $(2)$.



          $$324 = a^2+b^2 implies 324 = (36-b)^2+b^2$$



          $$324 = 36^2-2(36)b+b^2+b^2 implies 324 = 1296-72b+2b^2 implies 2b^2-72b+972 = 0$$



          But $$Delta = b^2-4ac$$



          $$Delta = 72^2-4(2)(972) = -2592$$



          $$implies Delta < 0$$



          Thus, there is no solution. (No such rectangle exists.)






          share|cite|improve this answer





























            up vote
            2
            down vote













            No. Using Pythagoras and a simple inequality we get
            $$d^2=a^2+b^2geq 2abgeq ab$$
            If $a,b$ are the sides and $d$ the diagonal






            share|cite|improve this answer



























              up vote
              1
              down vote













              Adjusted the PWW given by farruhota (and ripping off their very image) to improve by a factor of $2$ (cf. also Théophile's answer):



              enter image description here






              share|cite|improve this answer



























                up vote
                0
                down vote













                $A=lw$



                $P=2(l+w)$



                $d=sqrtl^2+w^2$



                Can $A>d^2$?



                Can $lw>l^2+w^2$?



                $-lw>l^2-2wl+w^2=(l-w)^2$



                Width and length are necessarily positive. The square of their difference also must be positive.



                So we have a negative number that must be greater than a positive number. A contradiction.






                share|cite|improve this answer



























                  up vote
                  0
                  down vote













                  A wall has a thickness.



                  Let's say the rectangle of the wall has width a and length b on the outside, so 2a + 2b = 72 or a + b = 36.



                  Assume the wall has a uniform thickness t. Then we can calculate the length of the diagonal as $(a - 2t)^2 + (b - 2t)^2 = d^2$. Given that d = 18, this lets us calculate t based on d, and the area of the wall is (2a + 2b - 4t) * t or (72 - 4t) * t.



                  The solution is $t = 9 ± (9a - a^2/4 - 40.5)^1/2$. For a solution to exist, we need $9a - a^2/4 - 40.5 ≥ 0$ or $162^1/2 ≥ |a - 18|$ or $18 - 162^1/2 ≤ a ≤18 + 162^1/2$, so a is roughly between 5 and 31.



                  We can exclude the solution $t = 9 + (9a - a^2/4 - 40.5)^1/2$ - the walls cannot be more than 9 thick. Therefore $t = 9 - (9a - a^2/4 - 40.5)^1/2$. We can show that the calculated thickness is always ≥ 0.



                  This t can be used to calculate the area of the wall as (72 - 4t) * t.



                  Alternatively, if the wall has zero thickness, then the diagonal is not 18. Everything follows from a false statement, so the wall can have any area.






                  share|cite|improve this answer



























                    12 Answers
                    12






                    active

                    oldest

                    votes








                    12 Answers
                    12






                    active

                    oldest

                    votes









                    active

                    oldest

                    votes






                    active

                    oldest

                    votes








                    up vote
                    75
                    down vote



                    accepted










                    The area of the square built on the diagonal must be at least twice the area of the rectangle:



                    $hskip 4 cm$ enter image description here






                    share|cite|improve this answer
























                      up vote
                      75
                      down vote



                      accepted










                      The area of the square built on the diagonal must be at least twice the area of the rectangle:



                      $hskip 4 cm$ enter image description here






                      share|cite|improve this answer






















                        up vote
                        75
                        down vote



                        accepted







                        up vote
                        75
                        down vote



                        accepted






                        The area of the square built on the diagonal must be at least twice the area of the rectangle:



                        $hskip 4 cm$ enter image description here






                        share|cite|improve this answer












                        The area of the square built on the diagonal must be at least twice the area of the rectangle:



                        $hskip 4 cm$ enter image description here







                        share|cite|improve this answer












                        share|cite|improve this answer



                        share|cite|improve this answer










                        answered 2 days ago









                        Théophile

                        19.1k12944




                        19.1k12944




















                            up vote
                            68
                            down vote













                            Another proof without words, at the suggestion of Semiclassical:



                            enter image description here



                            The dark rectangle has some fixed diagonal $d$. The large square has area $d^2$.






                            share|cite|improve this answer






















                            • +1 It is often useful to consider the extremes, similar to "annulus" type problems. there is no solution for the perimeter between l=0 and l=18, therefore the perimeter or the diagonal has been misstated. A graph of the length vs perimeter would show the same.
                              – mckenzm
                              2 days ago






                            • 1




                              Here is a more dynamic, animated version of the same picture.
                              – Xander Henderson
                              yesterday














                            up vote
                            68
                            down vote













                            Another proof without words, at the suggestion of Semiclassical:



                            enter image description here



                            The dark rectangle has some fixed diagonal $d$. The large square has area $d^2$.






                            share|cite|improve this answer






















                            • +1 It is often useful to consider the extremes, similar to "annulus" type problems. there is no solution for the perimeter between l=0 and l=18, therefore the perimeter or the diagonal has been misstated. A graph of the length vs perimeter would show the same.
                              – mckenzm
                              2 days ago






                            • 1




                              Here is a more dynamic, animated version of the same picture.
                              – Xander Henderson
                              yesterday












                            up vote
                            68
                            down vote










                            up vote
                            68
                            down vote









                            Another proof without words, at the suggestion of Semiclassical:



                            enter image description here



                            The dark rectangle has some fixed diagonal $d$. The large square has area $d^2$.






                            share|cite|improve this answer














                            Another proof without words, at the suggestion of Semiclassical:



                            enter image description here



                            The dark rectangle has some fixed diagonal $d$. The large square has area $d^2$.







                            share|cite|improve this answer














                            share|cite|improve this answer



                            share|cite|improve this answer








                            answered 2 days ago


























                            community wiki





                            Xander Henderson












                            • +1 It is often useful to consider the extremes, similar to "annulus" type problems. there is no solution for the perimeter between l=0 and l=18, therefore the perimeter or the diagonal has been misstated. A graph of the length vs perimeter would show the same.
                              – mckenzm
                              2 days ago






                            • 1




                              Here is a more dynamic, animated version of the same picture.
                              – Xander Henderson
                              yesterday
















                            • +1 It is often useful to consider the extremes, similar to "annulus" type problems. there is no solution for the perimeter between l=0 and l=18, therefore the perimeter or the diagonal has been misstated. A graph of the length vs perimeter would show the same.
                              – mckenzm
                              2 days ago






                            • 1




                              Here is a more dynamic, animated version of the same picture.
                              – Xander Henderson
                              yesterday















                            +1 It is often useful to consider the extremes, similar to "annulus" type problems. there is no solution for the perimeter between l=0 and l=18, therefore the perimeter or the diagonal has been misstated. A graph of the length vs perimeter would show the same.
                            – mckenzm
                            2 days ago




                            +1 It is often useful to consider the extremes, similar to "annulus" type problems. there is no solution for the perimeter between l=0 and l=18, therefore the perimeter or the diagonal has been misstated. A graph of the length vs perimeter would show the same.
                            – mckenzm
                            2 days ago




                            1




                            1




                            Here is a more dynamic, animated version of the same picture.
                            – Xander Henderson
                            yesterday




                            Here is a more dynamic, animated version of the same picture.
                            – Xander Henderson
                            yesterday










                            up vote
                            28
                            down vote













                            A simple explanation without proof or pictures:



                            The diagonal of a rectangle is at least as long as each of its sides, so the square of the diagonal must be at least the product of the sides.






                            share|cite|improve this answer






















                            • Great explanation, but that “it's” is jarring...
                              – DaG
                              18 hours ago










                            • Sorry! This is my number 1 typo, and I miss it all the time in proofreading. Fixed now, thanks!
                              – AlexanderJ93
                              18 hours ago










                            • +1 Thank you for the one-line proof!
                              – DaG
                              18 hours ago














                            up vote
                            28
                            down vote













                            A simple explanation without proof or pictures:



                            The diagonal of a rectangle is at least as long as each of its sides, so the square of the diagonal must be at least the product of the sides.






                            share|cite|improve this answer






















                            • Great explanation, but that “it's” is jarring...
                              – DaG
                              18 hours ago










                            • Sorry! This is my number 1 typo, and I miss it all the time in proofreading. Fixed now, thanks!
                              – AlexanderJ93
                              18 hours ago










                            • +1 Thank you for the one-line proof!
                              – DaG
                              18 hours ago












                            up vote
                            28
                            down vote










                            up vote
                            28
                            down vote









                            A simple explanation without proof or pictures:



                            The diagonal of a rectangle is at least as long as each of its sides, so the square of the diagonal must be at least the product of the sides.






                            share|cite|improve this answer














                            A simple explanation without proof or pictures:



                            The diagonal of a rectangle is at least as long as each of its sides, so the square of the diagonal must be at least the product of the sides.







                            share|cite|improve this answer














                            share|cite|improve this answer



                            share|cite|improve this answer








                            edited 18 hours ago

























                            answered 2 days ago









                            AlexanderJ93

                            5,177522




                            5,177522











                            • Great explanation, but that “it's” is jarring...
                              – DaG
                              18 hours ago










                            • Sorry! This is my number 1 typo, and I miss it all the time in proofreading. Fixed now, thanks!
                              – AlexanderJ93
                              18 hours ago










                            • +1 Thank you for the one-line proof!
                              – DaG
                              18 hours ago
















                            • Great explanation, but that “it's” is jarring...
                              – DaG
                              18 hours ago










                            • Sorry! This is my number 1 typo, and I miss it all the time in proofreading. Fixed now, thanks!
                              – AlexanderJ93
                              18 hours ago










                            • +1 Thank you for the one-line proof!
                              – DaG
                              18 hours ago















                            Great explanation, but that “it's” is jarring...
                            – DaG
                            18 hours ago




                            Great explanation, but that “it's” is jarring...
                            – DaG
                            18 hours ago












                            Sorry! This is my number 1 typo, and I miss it all the time in proofreading. Fixed now, thanks!
                            – AlexanderJ93
                            18 hours ago




                            Sorry! This is my number 1 typo, and I miss it all the time in proofreading. Fixed now, thanks!
                            – AlexanderJ93
                            18 hours ago












                            +1 Thank you for the one-line proof!
                            – DaG
                            18 hours ago




                            +1 Thank you for the one-line proof!
                            – DaG
                            18 hours ago










                            up vote
                            20
                            down vote













                            In fact, the squared diagonal must be at least twice the area, i.e. $a^2+b^2ge 2ab$ if orthogonal sides' lengths are $a,,b$. Why? Because the difference is $(a-b)^2ge 0$.






                            share|cite|improve this answer
























                              up vote
                              20
                              down vote













                              In fact, the squared diagonal must be at least twice the area, i.e. $a^2+b^2ge 2ab$ if orthogonal sides' lengths are $a,,b$. Why? Because the difference is $(a-b)^2ge 0$.






                              share|cite|improve this answer






















                                up vote
                                20
                                down vote










                                up vote
                                20
                                down vote









                                In fact, the squared diagonal must be at least twice the area, i.e. $a^2+b^2ge 2ab$ if orthogonal sides' lengths are $a,,b$. Why? Because the difference is $(a-b)^2ge 0$.






                                share|cite|improve this answer












                                In fact, the squared diagonal must be at least twice the area, i.e. $a^2+b^2ge 2ab$ if orthogonal sides' lengths are $a,,b$. Why? Because the difference is $(a-b)^2ge 0$.







                                share|cite|improve this answer












                                share|cite|improve this answer



                                share|cite|improve this answer










                                answered 2 days ago









                                J.G.

                                17.9k11830




                                17.9k11830




















                                    up vote
                                    8
                                    down vote













                                    You can prove that no such rectangle exists as follows:



                                    Let $l ge b$ (one side of the rectangle has to be the longest). Since $2l+2b=72$ you have $2lge l+b= 36$ so $l ge 18$



                                    Then the diagonal of a right-angled triangle is the longest side so $dgt lge 18$ for a non-degenerate triangle, and the only degenerate case which arises is with $l=36, b=0, d=36$.



                                    The answer given, though arithmetically correct does not represent a real wall.




                                    I am not sure what the question means, though, as it is curiously phrased. The question asks for "the area of the wall" and not "the area of the rectangle bounded by the wall" and had the answer not been set out, I might have been thinking of a wall of uniform thickness and external perimeter $72$ and an internal diagonal of $18$ to make any sense of it.






                                    share|cite|improve this answer




















                                    • To address your comment at the end, I'm pretty sure they mean "a wall" as in "one of the (usually) four walls of a room", not as in "a wall surrounding an area of land". So the wall itself is a rectangular surface, with width $ell$ and height $b$.
                                      – Ilmari Karonen
                                      2 days ago






                                    • 1




                                      @IlmariKaronen Just goes to show how careful one has to be reading and interpreting (and setting) questions.
                                      – Mark Bennet
                                      yesterday















                                    up vote
                                    8
                                    down vote













                                    You can prove that no such rectangle exists as follows:



                                    Let $l ge b$ (one side of the rectangle has to be the longest). Since $2l+2b=72$ you have $2lge l+b= 36$ so $l ge 18$



                                    Then the diagonal of a right-angled triangle is the longest side so $dgt lge 18$ for a non-degenerate triangle, and the only degenerate case which arises is with $l=36, b=0, d=36$.



                                    The answer given, though arithmetically correct does not represent a real wall.




                                    I am not sure what the question means, though, as it is curiously phrased. The question asks for "the area of the wall" and not "the area of the rectangle bounded by the wall" and had the answer not been set out, I might have been thinking of a wall of uniform thickness and external perimeter $72$ and an internal diagonal of $18$ to make any sense of it.






                                    share|cite|improve this answer




















                                    • To address your comment at the end, I'm pretty sure they mean "a wall" as in "one of the (usually) four walls of a room", not as in "a wall surrounding an area of land". So the wall itself is a rectangular surface, with width $ell$ and height $b$.
                                      – Ilmari Karonen
                                      2 days ago






                                    • 1




                                      @IlmariKaronen Just goes to show how careful one has to be reading and interpreting (and setting) questions.
                                      – Mark Bennet
                                      yesterday













                                    up vote
                                    8
                                    down vote










                                    up vote
                                    8
                                    down vote









                                    You can prove that no such rectangle exists as follows:



                                    Let $l ge b$ (one side of the rectangle has to be the longest). Since $2l+2b=72$ you have $2lge l+b= 36$ so $l ge 18$



                                    Then the diagonal of a right-angled triangle is the longest side so $dgt lge 18$ for a non-degenerate triangle, and the only degenerate case which arises is with $l=36, b=0, d=36$.



                                    The answer given, though arithmetically correct does not represent a real wall.




                                    I am not sure what the question means, though, as it is curiously phrased. The question asks for "the area of the wall" and not "the area of the rectangle bounded by the wall" and had the answer not been set out, I might have been thinking of a wall of uniform thickness and external perimeter $72$ and an internal diagonal of $18$ to make any sense of it.






                                    share|cite|improve this answer












                                    You can prove that no such rectangle exists as follows:



                                    Let $l ge b$ (one side of the rectangle has to be the longest). Since $2l+2b=72$ you have $2lge l+b= 36$ so $l ge 18$



                                    Then the diagonal of a right-angled triangle is the longest side so $dgt lge 18$ for a non-degenerate triangle, and the only degenerate case which arises is with $l=36, b=0, d=36$.



                                    The answer given, though arithmetically correct does not represent a real wall.




                                    I am not sure what the question means, though, as it is curiously phrased. The question asks for "the area of the wall" and not "the area of the rectangle bounded by the wall" and had the answer not been set out, I might have been thinking of a wall of uniform thickness and external perimeter $72$ and an internal diagonal of $18$ to make any sense of it.







                                    share|cite|improve this answer












                                    share|cite|improve this answer



                                    share|cite|improve this answer










                                    answered 2 days ago









                                    Mark Bennet

                                    79.5k978177




                                    79.5k978177











                                    • To address your comment at the end, I'm pretty sure they mean "a wall" as in "one of the (usually) four walls of a room", not as in "a wall surrounding an area of land". So the wall itself is a rectangular surface, with width $ell$ and height $b$.
                                      – Ilmari Karonen
                                      2 days ago






                                    • 1




                                      @IlmariKaronen Just goes to show how careful one has to be reading and interpreting (and setting) questions.
                                      – Mark Bennet
                                      yesterday

















                                    • To address your comment at the end, I'm pretty sure they mean "a wall" as in "one of the (usually) four walls of a room", not as in "a wall surrounding an area of land". So the wall itself is a rectangular surface, with width $ell$ and height $b$.
                                      – Ilmari Karonen
                                      2 days ago






                                    • 1




                                      @IlmariKaronen Just goes to show how careful one has to be reading and interpreting (and setting) questions.
                                      – Mark Bennet
                                      yesterday
















                                    To address your comment at the end, I'm pretty sure they mean "a wall" as in "one of the (usually) four walls of a room", not as in "a wall surrounding an area of land". So the wall itself is a rectangular surface, with width $ell$ and height $b$.
                                    – Ilmari Karonen
                                    2 days ago




                                    To address your comment at the end, I'm pretty sure they mean "a wall" as in "one of the (usually) four walls of a room", not as in "a wall surrounding an area of land". So the wall itself is a rectangular surface, with width $ell$ and height $b$.
                                    – Ilmari Karonen
                                    2 days ago




                                    1




                                    1




                                    @IlmariKaronen Just goes to show how careful one has to be reading and interpreting (and setting) questions.
                                    – Mark Bennet
                                    yesterday





                                    @IlmariKaronen Just goes to show how careful one has to be reading and interpreting (and setting) questions.
                                    – Mark Bennet
                                    yesterday











                                    up vote
                                    4
                                    down vote













                                    No. As others have said.



                                    What this looks like to me (as someone who has taught HS Chem & Physics for years and has helped write middle school math content) is a question written trying to get someone to put together the solution as shown, but without checking whether the numbers given make any real-world sense. I have certainly made this mistake myself, even though I try really hard to catch it.



                                    If this is a standardized test question (or one from a textbook, practice book, online resource, etc.), fair play, we've caught a poorly written question.



                                    If this is a question you are writing yourself, and you want to improve it, you could change the parameters this way:



                                    Total perimeter: 70
                                    Diagonal: 25 (I don't think you'll find any nice whole numbers - aka pythagorean triples - using a perimeter of 72.)



                                    This should now give the solution of:



                                    • $I^2 + B^2 = 25^2 = 625 $

                                    • $2I + 2B = 70 $

                                    • $I + B = 35 $

                                    • $I^2 + 2IB + B^2 = 1,225 $

                                    • $2IB = 600 $


                                    • $IB = 300$ ,

                                    which makes sense, given that I used a (3,4,5) right triangle (scaled by 5) in my setup. (Which means that I = 15 and B = 20, for a hypotenuse of 25.)



                                    Hope that helps!



                                    -Van






                                    share|cite|improve this answer








                                    New contributor




                                    Van is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
                                    Check out our Code of Conduct.





















                                      up vote
                                      4
                                      down vote













                                      No. As others have said.



                                      What this looks like to me (as someone who has taught HS Chem & Physics for years and has helped write middle school math content) is a question written trying to get someone to put together the solution as shown, but without checking whether the numbers given make any real-world sense. I have certainly made this mistake myself, even though I try really hard to catch it.



                                      If this is a standardized test question (or one from a textbook, practice book, online resource, etc.), fair play, we've caught a poorly written question.



                                      If this is a question you are writing yourself, and you want to improve it, you could change the parameters this way:



                                      Total perimeter: 70
                                      Diagonal: 25 (I don't think you'll find any nice whole numbers - aka pythagorean triples - using a perimeter of 72.)



                                      This should now give the solution of:



                                      • $I^2 + B^2 = 25^2 = 625 $

                                      • $2I + 2B = 70 $

                                      • $I + B = 35 $

                                      • $I^2 + 2IB + B^2 = 1,225 $

                                      • $2IB = 600 $


                                      • $IB = 300$ ,

                                      which makes sense, given that I used a (3,4,5) right triangle (scaled by 5) in my setup. (Which means that I = 15 and B = 20, for a hypotenuse of 25.)



                                      Hope that helps!



                                      -Van






                                      share|cite|improve this answer








                                      New contributor




                                      Van is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
                                      Check out our Code of Conduct.



















                                        up vote
                                        4
                                        down vote










                                        up vote
                                        4
                                        down vote









                                        No. As others have said.



                                        What this looks like to me (as someone who has taught HS Chem & Physics for years and has helped write middle school math content) is a question written trying to get someone to put together the solution as shown, but without checking whether the numbers given make any real-world sense. I have certainly made this mistake myself, even though I try really hard to catch it.



                                        If this is a standardized test question (or one from a textbook, practice book, online resource, etc.), fair play, we've caught a poorly written question.



                                        If this is a question you are writing yourself, and you want to improve it, you could change the parameters this way:



                                        Total perimeter: 70
                                        Diagonal: 25 (I don't think you'll find any nice whole numbers - aka pythagorean triples - using a perimeter of 72.)



                                        This should now give the solution of:



                                        • $I^2 + B^2 = 25^2 = 625 $

                                        • $2I + 2B = 70 $

                                        • $I + B = 35 $

                                        • $I^2 + 2IB + B^2 = 1,225 $

                                        • $2IB = 600 $


                                        • $IB = 300$ ,

                                        which makes sense, given that I used a (3,4,5) right triangle (scaled by 5) in my setup. (Which means that I = 15 and B = 20, for a hypotenuse of 25.)



                                        Hope that helps!



                                        -Van






                                        share|cite|improve this answer








                                        New contributor




                                        Van is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
                                        Check out our Code of Conduct.









                                        No. As others have said.



                                        What this looks like to me (as someone who has taught HS Chem & Physics for years and has helped write middle school math content) is a question written trying to get someone to put together the solution as shown, but without checking whether the numbers given make any real-world sense. I have certainly made this mistake myself, even though I try really hard to catch it.



                                        If this is a standardized test question (or one from a textbook, practice book, online resource, etc.), fair play, we've caught a poorly written question.



                                        If this is a question you are writing yourself, and you want to improve it, you could change the parameters this way:



                                        Total perimeter: 70
                                        Diagonal: 25 (I don't think you'll find any nice whole numbers - aka pythagorean triples - using a perimeter of 72.)



                                        This should now give the solution of:



                                        • $I^2 + B^2 = 25^2 = 625 $

                                        • $2I + 2B = 70 $

                                        • $I + B = 35 $

                                        • $I^2 + 2IB + B^2 = 1,225 $

                                        • $2IB = 600 $


                                        • $IB = 300$ ,

                                        which makes sense, given that I used a (3,4,5) right triangle (scaled by 5) in my setup. (Which means that I = 15 and B = 20, for a hypotenuse of 25.)



                                        Hope that helps!



                                        -Van







                                        share|cite|improve this answer








                                        New contributor




                                        Van is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
                                        Check out our Code of Conduct.









                                        share|cite|improve this answer



                                        share|cite|improve this answer






                                        New contributor




                                        Van is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
                                        Check out our Code of Conduct.









                                        answered yesterday









                                        Van

                                        413




                                        413




                                        New contributor




                                        Van is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
                                        Check out our Code of Conduct.





                                        New contributor





                                        Van is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
                                        Check out our Code of Conduct.






                                        Van is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
                                        Check out our Code of Conduct.




















                                            up vote
                                            4
                                            down vote













                                            Another PWW (noted by AlexanderJ93 and others):



                                            $hspace5cm$![enter image description here






                                            share|cite|improve this answer
























                                              up vote
                                              4
                                              down vote













                                              Another PWW (noted by AlexanderJ93 and others):



                                              $hspace5cm$![enter image description here






                                              share|cite|improve this answer






















                                                up vote
                                                4
                                                down vote










                                                up vote
                                                4
                                                down vote









                                                Another PWW (noted by AlexanderJ93 and others):



                                                $hspace5cm$![enter image description here






                                                share|cite|improve this answer












                                                Another PWW (noted by AlexanderJ93 and others):



                                                $hspace5cm$![enter image description here







                                                share|cite|improve this answer












                                                share|cite|improve this answer



                                                share|cite|improve this answer










                                                answered 18 hours ago









                                                farruhota

                                                17.4k2736




                                                17.4k2736




















                                                    up vote
                                                    3
                                                    down vote













                                                    No, use the Pythagorean Theorem.



                                                    $$c^2 = a^2+b^2$$



                                                    $c$ is the length of the diagonal. It divides the rectangle into two congruent right triangles with hypotenuse $c$. $a$ and $b$ are the pairs of sides of the rectangle (and the other two sides of each congruent right triangle).



                                                    Recall for any real number, its square must be non-negative.



                                                    $$(a-b)^2 geq 0 implies a^2-2ab+b^2 geq 0 implies colorbluea^2+b^2 geq 2ab$$



                                                    The area of the rectangle is $ab$, but $c^2 geq 2ab$, so the square of the diagonal is at least twice the area of the rectangle.



                                                    Now, to find the area itself.



                                                    For the diagonal:



                                                    $$c^2 = a^2+b^2$$



                                                    $$implies 18^2 = a^2+b^2$$



                                                    $$colorblue324 = a^2+b^2 tag1$$



                                                    For the perimeter:



                                                    $$2(a+b) = 72$$



                                                    $$a+b = 36$$



                                                    Now, define one variable in terms of the other.



                                                    $$colorpurplea = 36-b tag2$$



                                                    Combine $(1)$ and $(2)$.



                                                    $$324 = a^2+b^2 implies 324 = (36-b)^2+b^2$$



                                                    $$324 = 36^2-2(36)b+b^2+b^2 implies 324 = 1296-72b+2b^2 implies 2b^2-72b+972 = 0$$



                                                    But $$Delta = b^2-4ac$$



                                                    $$Delta = 72^2-4(2)(972) = -2592$$



                                                    $$implies Delta < 0$$



                                                    Thus, there is no solution. (No such rectangle exists.)






                                                    share|cite|improve this answer


























                                                      up vote
                                                      3
                                                      down vote













                                                      No, use the Pythagorean Theorem.



                                                      $$c^2 = a^2+b^2$$



                                                      $c$ is the length of the diagonal. It divides the rectangle into two congruent right triangles with hypotenuse $c$. $a$ and $b$ are the pairs of sides of the rectangle (and the other two sides of each congruent right triangle).



                                                      Recall for any real number, its square must be non-negative.



                                                      $$(a-b)^2 geq 0 implies a^2-2ab+b^2 geq 0 implies colorbluea^2+b^2 geq 2ab$$



                                                      The area of the rectangle is $ab$, but $c^2 geq 2ab$, so the square of the diagonal is at least twice the area of the rectangle.



                                                      Now, to find the area itself.



                                                      For the diagonal:



                                                      $$c^2 = a^2+b^2$$



                                                      $$implies 18^2 = a^2+b^2$$



                                                      $$colorblue324 = a^2+b^2 tag1$$



                                                      For the perimeter:



                                                      $$2(a+b) = 72$$



                                                      $$a+b = 36$$



                                                      Now, define one variable in terms of the other.



                                                      $$colorpurplea = 36-b tag2$$



                                                      Combine $(1)$ and $(2)$.



                                                      $$324 = a^2+b^2 implies 324 = (36-b)^2+b^2$$



                                                      $$324 = 36^2-2(36)b+b^2+b^2 implies 324 = 1296-72b+2b^2 implies 2b^2-72b+972 = 0$$



                                                      But $$Delta = b^2-4ac$$



                                                      $$Delta = 72^2-4(2)(972) = -2592$$



                                                      $$implies Delta < 0$$



                                                      Thus, there is no solution. (No such rectangle exists.)






                                                      share|cite|improve this answer
























                                                        up vote
                                                        3
                                                        down vote










                                                        up vote
                                                        3
                                                        down vote









                                                        No, use the Pythagorean Theorem.



                                                        $$c^2 = a^2+b^2$$



                                                        $c$ is the length of the diagonal. It divides the rectangle into two congruent right triangles with hypotenuse $c$. $a$ and $b$ are the pairs of sides of the rectangle (and the other two sides of each congruent right triangle).



                                                        Recall for any real number, its square must be non-negative.



                                                        $$(a-b)^2 geq 0 implies a^2-2ab+b^2 geq 0 implies colorbluea^2+b^2 geq 2ab$$



                                                        The area of the rectangle is $ab$, but $c^2 geq 2ab$, so the square of the diagonal is at least twice the area of the rectangle.



                                                        Now, to find the area itself.



                                                        For the diagonal:



                                                        $$c^2 = a^2+b^2$$



                                                        $$implies 18^2 = a^2+b^2$$



                                                        $$colorblue324 = a^2+b^2 tag1$$



                                                        For the perimeter:



                                                        $$2(a+b) = 72$$



                                                        $$a+b = 36$$



                                                        Now, define one variable in terms of the other.



                                                        $$colorpurplea = 36-b tag2$$



                                                        Combine $(1)$ and $(2)$.



                                                        $$324 = a^2+b^2 implies 324 = (36-b)^2+b^2$$



                                                        $$324 = 36^2-2(36)b+b^2+b^2 implies 324 = 1296-72b+2b^2 implies 2b^2-72b+972 = 0$$



                                                        But $$Delta = b^2-4ac$$



                                                        $$Delta = 72^2-4(2)(972) = -2592$$



                                                        $$implies Delta < 0$$



                                                        Thus, there is no solution. (No such rectangle exists.)






                                                        share|cite|improve this answer














                                                        No, use the Pythagorean Theorem.



                                                        $$c^2 = a^2+b^2$$



                                                        $c$ is the length of the diagonal. It divides the rectangle into two congruent right triangles with hypotenuse $c$. $a$ and $b$ are the pairs of sides of the rectangle (and the other two sides of each congruent right triangle).



                                                        Recall for any real number, its square must be non-negative.



                                                        $$(a-b)^2 geq 0 implies a^2-2ab+b^2 geq 0 implies colorbluea^2+b^2 geq 2ab$$



                                                        The area of the rectangle is $ab$, but $c^2 geq 2ab$, so the square of the diagonal is at least twice the area of the rectangle.



                                                        Now, to find the area itself.



                                                        For the diagonal:



                                                        $$c^2 = a^2+b^2$$



                                                        $$implies 18^2 = a^2+b^2$$



                                                        $$colorblue324 = a^2+b^2 tag1$$



                                                        For the perimeter:



                                                        $$2(a+b) = 72$$



                                                        $$a+b = 36$$



                                                        Now, define one variable in terms of the other.



                                                        $$colorpurplea = 36-b tag2$$



                                                        Combine $(1)$ and $(2)$.



                                                        $$324 = a^2+b^2 implies 324 = (36-b)^2+b^2$$



                                                        $$324 = 36^2-2(36)b+b^2+b^2 implies 324 = 1296-72b+2b^2 implies 2b^2-72b+972 = 0$$



                                                        But $$Delta = b^2-4ac$$



                                                        $$Delta = 72^2-4(2)(972) = -2592$$



                                                        $$implies Delta < 0$$



                                                        Thus, there is no solution. (No such rectangle exists.)







                                                        share|cite|improve this answer














                                                        share|cite|improve this answer



                                                        share|cite|improve this answer








                                                        edited 2 days ago

























                                                        answered 2 days ago









                                                        KM101

                                                        1,775313




                                                        1,775313




















                                                            up vote
                                                            2
                                                            down vote













                                                            No. Using Pythagoras and a simple inequality we get
                                                            $$d^2=a^2+b^2geq 2abgeq ab$$
                                                            If $a,b$ are the sides and $d$ the diagonal






                                                            share|cite|improve this answer
























                                                              up vote
                                                              2
                                                              down vote













                                                              No. Using Pythagoras and a simple inequality we get
                                                              $$d^2=a^2+b^2geq 2abgeq ab$$
                                                              If $a,b$ are the sides and $d$ the diagonal






                                                              share|cite|improve this answer






















                                                                up vote
                                                                2
                                                                down vote










                                                                up vote
                                                                2
                                                                down vote









                                                                No. Using Pythagoras and a simple inequality we get
                                                                $$d^2=a^2+b^2geq 2abgeq ab$$
                                                                If $a,b$ are the sides and $d$ the diagonal






                                                                share|cite|improve this answer












                                                                No. Using Pythagoras and a simple inequality we get
                                                                $$d^2=a^2+b^2geq 2abgeq ab$$
                                                                If $a,b$ are the sides and $d$ the diagonal







                                                                share|cite|improve this answer












                                                                share|cite|improve this answer



                                                                share|cite|improve this answer










                                                                answered 2 days ago









                                                                b00n heT

                                                                10.1k12134




                                                                10.1k12134




















                                                                    up vote
                                                                    1
                                                                    down vote













                                                                    Adjusted the PWW given by farruhota (and ripping off their very image) to improve by a factor of $2$ (cf. also Théophile's answer):



                                                                    enter image description here






                                                                    share|cite|improve this answer
























                                                                      up vote
                                                                      1
                                                                      down vote













                                                                      Adjusted the PWW given by farruhota (and ripping off their very image) to improve by a factor of $2$ (cf. also Théophile's answer):



                                                                      enter image description here






                                                                      share|cite|improve this answer






















                                                                        up vote
                                                                        1
                                                                        down vote










                                                                        up vote
                                                                        1
                                                                        down vote









                                                                        Adjusted the PWW given by farruhota (and ripping off their very image) to improve by a factor of $2$ (cf. also Théophile's answer):



                                                                        enter image description here






                                                                        share|cite|improve this answer












                                                                        Adjusted the PWW given by farruhota (and ripping off their very image) to improve by a factor of $2$ (cf. also Théophile's answer):



                                                                        enter image description here







                                                                        share|cite|improve this answer












                                                                        share|cite|improve this answer



                                                                        share|cite|improve this answer










                                                                        answered 7 hours ago









                                                                        Hagen von Eitzen

                                                                        273k21266492




                                                                        273k21266492




















                                                                            up vote
                                                                            0
                                                                            down vote













                                                                            $A=lw$



                                                                            $P=2(l+w)$



                                                                            $d=sqrtl^2+w^2$



                                                                            Can $A>d^2$?



                                                                            Can $lw>l^2+w^2$?



                                                                            $-lw>l^2-2wl+w^2=(l-w)^2$



                                                                            Width and length are necessarily positive. The square of their difference also must be positive.



                                                                            So we have a negative number that must be greater than a positive number. A contradiction.






                                                                            share|cite|improve this answer
























                                                                              up vote
                                                                              0
                                                                              down vote













                                                                              $A=lw$



                                                                              $P=2(l+w)$



                                                                              $d=sqrtl^2+w^2$



                                                                              Can $A>d^2$?



                                                                              Can $lw>l^2+w^2$?



                                                                              $-lw>l^2-2wl+w^2=(l-w)^2$



                                                                              Width and length are necessarily positive. The square of their difference also must be positive.



                                                                              So we have a negative number that must be greater than a positive number. A contradiction.






                                                                              share|cite|improve this answer






















                                                                                up vote
                                                                                0
                                                                                down vote










                                                                                up vote
                                                                                0
                                                                                down vote









                                                                                $A=lw$



                                                                                $P=2(l+w)$



                                                                                $d=sqrtl^2+w^2$



                                                                                Can $A>d^2$?



                                                                                Can $lw>l^2+w^2$?



                                                                                $-lw>l^2-2wl+w^2=(l-w)^2$



                                                                                Width and length are necessarily positive. The square of their difference also must be positive.



                                                                                So we have a negative number that must be greater than a positive number. A contradiction.






                                                                                share|cite|improve this answer












                                                                                $A=lw$



                                                                                $P=2(l+w)$



                                                                                $d=sqrtl^2+w^2$



                                                                                Can $A>d^2$?



                                                                                Can $lw>l^2+w^2$?



                                                                                $-lw>l^2-2wl+w^2=(l-w)^2$



                                                                                Width and length are necessarily positive. The square of their difference also must be positive.



                                                                                So we have a negative number that must be greater than a positive number. A contradiction.







                                                                                share|cite|improve this answer












                                                                                share|cite|improve this answer



                                                                                share|cite|improve this answer










                                                                                answered 2 days ago









                                                                                TurlocTheRed

                                                                                55819




                                                                                55819




















                                                                                    up vote
                                                                                    0
                                                                                    down vote













                                                                                    A wall has a thickness.



                                                                                    Let's say the rectangle of the wall has width a and length b on the outside, so 2a + 2b = 72 or a + b = 36.



                                                                                    Assume the wall has a uniform thickness t. Then we can calculate the length of the diagonal as $(a - 2t)^2 + (b - 2t)^2 = d^2$. Given that d = 18, this lets us calculate t based on d, and the area of the wall is (2a + 2b - 4t) * t or (72 - 4t) * t.



                                                                                    The solution is $t = 9 ± (9a - a^2/4 - 40.5)^1/2$. For a solution to exist, we need $9a - a^2/4 - 40.5 ≥ 0$ or $162^1/2 ≥ |a - 18|$ or $18 - 162^1/2 ≤ a ≤18 + 162^1/2$, so a is roughly between 5 and 31.



                                                                                    We can exclude the solution $t = 9 + (9a - a^2/4 - 40.5)^1/2$ - the walls cannot be more than 9 thick. Therefore $t = 9 - (9a - a^2/4 - 40.5)^1/2$. We can show that the calculated thickness is always ≥ 0.



                                                                                    This t can be used to calculate the area of the wall as (72 - 4t) * t.



                                                                                    Alternatively, if the wall has zero thickness, then the diagonal is not 18. Everything follows from a false statement, so the wall can have any area.






                                                                                    share|cite|improve this answer
























                                                                                      up vote
                                                                                      0
                                                                                      down vote













                                                                                      A wall has a thickness.



                                                                                      Let's say the rectangle of the wall has width a and length b on the outside, so 2a + 2b = 72 or a + b = 36.



                                                                                      Assume the wall has a uniform thickness t. Then we can calculate the length of the diagonal as $(a - 2t)^2 + (b - 2t)^2 = d^2$. Given that d = 18, this lets us calculate t based on d, and the area of the wall is (2a + 2b - 4t) * t or (72 - 4t) * t.



                                                                                      The solution is $t = 9 ± (9a - a^2/4 - 40.5)^1/2$. For a solution to exist, we need $9a - a^2/4 - 40.5 ≥ 0$ or $162^1/2 ≥ |a - 18|$ or $18 - 162^1/2 ≤ a ≤18 + 162^1/2$, so a is roughly between 5 and 31.



                                                                                      We can exclude the solution $t = 9 + (9a - a^2/4 - 40.5)^1/2$ - the walls cannot be more than 9 thick. Therefore $t = 9 - (9a - a^2/4 - 40.5)^1/2$. We can show that the calculated thickness is always ≥ 0.



                                                                                      This t can be used to calculate the area of the wall as (72 - 4t) * t.



                                                                                      Alternatively, if the wall has zero thickness, then the diagonal is not 18. Everything follows from a false statement, so the wall can have any area.






                                                                                      share|cite|improve this answer






















                                                                                        up vote
                                                                                        0
                                                                                        down vote










                                                                                        up vote
                                                                                        0
                                                                                        down vote









                                                                                        A wall has a thickness.



                                                                                        Let's say the rectangle of the wall has width a and length b on the outside, so 2a + 2b = 72 or a + b = 36.



                                                                                        Assume the wall has a uniform thickness t. Then we can calculate the length of the diagonal as $(a - 2t)^2 + (b - 2t)^2 = d^2$. Given that d = 18, this lets us calculate t based on d, and the area of the wall is (2a + 2b - 4t) * t or (72 - 4t) * t.



                                                                                        The solution is $t = 9 ± (9a - a^2/4 - 40.5)^1/2$. For a solution to exist, we need $9a - a^2/4 - 40.5 ≥ 0$ or $162^1/2 ≥ |a - 18|$ or $18 - 162^1/2 ≤ a ≤18 + 162^1/2$, so a is roughly between 5 and 31.



                                                                                        We can exclude the solution $t = 9 + (9a - a^2/4 - 40.5)^1/2$ - the walls cannot be more than 9 thick. Therefore $t = 9 - (9a - a^2/4 - 40.5)^1/2$. We can show that the calculated thickness is always ≥ 0.



                                                                                        This t can be used to calculate the area of the wall as (72 - 4t) * t.



                                                                                        Alternatively, if the wall has zero thickness, then the diagonal is not 18. Everything follows from a false statement, so the wall can have any area.






                                                                                        share|cite|improve this answer












                                                                                        A wall has a thickness.



                                                                                        Let's say the rectangle of the wall has width a and length b on the outside, so 2a + 2b = 72 or a + b = 36.



                                                                                        Assume the wall has a uniform thickness t. Then we can calculate the length of the diagonal as $(a - 2t)^2 + (b - 2t)^2 = d^2$. Given that d = 18, this lets us calculate t based on d, and the area of the wall is (2a + 2b - 4t) * t or (72 - 4t) * t.



                                                                                        The solution is $t = 9 ± (9a - a^2/4 - 40.5)^1/2$. For a solution to exist, we need $9a - a^2/4 - 40.5 ≥ 0$ or $162^1/2 ≥ |a - 18|$ or $18 - 162^1/2 ≤ a ≤18 + 162^1/2$, so a is roughly between 5 and 31.



                                                                                        We can exclude the solution $t = 9 + (9a - a^2/4 - 40.5)^1/2$ - the walls cannot be more than 9 thick. Therefore $t = 9 - (9a - a^2/4 - 40.5)^1/2$. We can show that the calculated thickness is always ≥ 0.



                                                                                        This t can be used to calculate the area of the wall as (72 - 4t) * t.



                                                                                        Alternatively, if the wall has zero thickness, then the diagonal is not 18. Everything follows from a false statement, so the wall can have any area.







                                                                                        share|cite|improve this answer












                                                                                        share|cite|improve this answer



                                                                                        share|cite|improve this answer










                                                                                        answered yesterday









                                                                                        gnasher729

                                                                                        5,9511028




                                                                                        5,9511028












                                                                                            Popular posts from this blog

                                                                                            How to check contact read email or not when send email to Individual?

                                                                                            Displaying single band from multi-band raster using QGIS

                                                                                            How many registers does an x86_64 CPU actually have?