A series that converges but the square of the terms of the series diverges
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I have to give an example of a convergent series $sum a_n$ for which $sum a_n^2 $ diverges.
I think that such a series cannot exist because if $sum a_n$ converges absolutely then $sum a_n^2 $ will always converge right?
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I have to give an example of a convergent series $sum a_n$ for which $sum a_n^2 $ diverges.
I think that such a series cannot exist because if $sum a_n$ converges absolutely then $sum a_n^2 $ will always converge right?
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The implication you said after "because" is true but it's still possible that $sum_n a_n$ converges but not absolutely and $sum_n a_n^2$ does not converge (absolutely nor by any means).
â Saucy O'Path
26 mins ago
@max_zorn That's if $sum a_n$ converges absolutely.
â Robert Israel
22 mins ago
Yes, you are right Robert, sorry!
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I have to give an example of a convergent series $sum a_n$ for which $sum a_n^2 $ diverges.
I think that such a series cannot exist because if $sum a_n$ converges absolutely then $sum a_n^2 $ will always converge right?
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I have to give an example of a convergent series $sum a_n$ for which $sum a_n^2 $ diverges.
I think that such a series cannot exist because if $sum a_n$ converges absolutely then $sum a_n^2 $ will always converge right?
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The implication you said after "because" is true but it's still possible that $sum_n a_n$ converges but not absolutely and $sum_n a_n^2$ does not converge (absolutely nor by any means).
â Saucy O'Path
26 mins ago
@max_zorn That's if $sum a_n$ converges absolutely.
â Robert Israel
22 mins ago
Yes, you are right Robert, sorry!
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The implication you said after "because" is true but it's still possible that $sum_n a_n$ converges but not absolutely and $sum_n a_n^2$ does not converge (absolutely nor by any means).
â Saucy O'Path
26 mins ago
@max_zorn That's if $sum a_n$ converges absolutely.
â Robert Israel
22 mins ago
Yes, you are right Robert, sorry!
â max_zorn
18 mins ago
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The implication you said after "because" is true but it's still possible that $sum_n a_n$ converges but not absolutely and $sum_n a_n^2$ does not converge (absolutely nor by any means).
â Saucy O'Path
26 mins ago
The implication you said after "because" is true but it's still possible that $sum_n a_n$ converges but not absolutely and $sum_n a_n^2$ does not converge (absolutely nor by any means).
â Saucy O'Path
26 mins ago
@max_zorn That's if $sum a_n$ converges absolutely.
â Robert Israel
22 mins ago
@max_zorn That's if $sum a_n$ converges absolutely.
â Robert Israel
22 mins ago
Yes, you are right Robert, sorry!
â max_zorn
18 mins ago
Yes, you are right Robert, sorry!
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The alternating series test gives a wealth of examples. Take
$$
a_n=(-1)^n/sqrtn
$$
for example.
You beat me to it by $14$ seconds.
â Robert Israel
24 mins ago
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Try $$sum_n=1^infty frac(-1)^nsqrtn$$
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The simplest example I have in mind is :
$$sum_n=1^+inftyfrac(-1)^nsqrtn $$
Beware that convergent (CV) and absolutely convergent (ACV) can be very different.
Indeed, if $sum_n=1^+infty a_n $ is ACV then, $sum_n=1^+infty a_n^2$ is also ACV. To prove it, you can simply notice that, since $lim a_n=0$ then for $n$ big enough, $|a_n^2|<|a_n|$.
You can also ask yourself a more general question :
What are the function $f:mathbb R rightarrow mathbb R$ such that for all
$sum a_n$ CV (resp. ACV), $sum f(a_n)$ is CV (resp. ACV).
It is a (difficult) exercise to show that for $f:mathbb Rrightarrow mathbb R$,
$$sum a_n ~CV Rightarrow sum f(a_n) ~CV quad textiff quad exists eta>0,exists lambdain mathbb R,forall xin ]-eta,eta[, quad f(x)=lambda x $$
$$sum a_n ~CV Rightarrow sum f(a_n) ~ACV quad textiff quad exists eta>0,forall xin ]-eta,eta[, quad f(x)=0 quadquadquad~~$$
$$sum a_n ~ACV Rightarrow sum f(a_n) ~ACV quad textiff quadquadquadquadquadquadquadquadquadquadquadquadquadquadquadquadquad$$ $$quad f(0)=0 text and exists eta>0,exists M >0,forall xin ]-eta,eta[, |f(x)|leq M |x| $$
$$sum a_n ACV Rightarrow sum f(a_n) ~CV quad textiff quad sum a_n ~ACV Rightarrow sum f(a_n) ~ACV~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ $$
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$sum_n a_n^2$ converges for this one.
â Robert Israel
23 mins ago
oups I answer too fast ^^
â Can I play with Mathness
20 mins ago
Can you correct it? Want to upvote the distinction between ACV and CV but can't bring myself to do it with the error
â Oscar Lanzi
11 mins ago
corrected, I also added a more general statement.
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More generally,
if $a_n = dfrac(-1)^nn^1/(2m)$,
then
$sum_n=1^infty a_n
$
converges for integer $m ge 0$
and
$sum_n=1^infty a_n^2m
$
diverges.
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4 Answers
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The alternating series test gives a wealth of examples. Take
$$
a_n=(-1)^n/sqrtn
$$
for example.
You beat me to it by $14$ seconds.
â Robert Israel
24 mins ago
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up vote
3
down vote
The alternating series test gives a wealth of examples. Take
$$
a_n=(-1)^n/sqrtn
$$
for example.
You beat me to it by $14$ seconds.
â Robert Israel
24 mins ago
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up vote
3
down vote
up vote
3
down vote
The alternating series test gives a wealth of examples. Take
$$
a_n=(-1)^n/sqrtn
$$
for example.
The alternating series test gives a wealth of examples. Take
$$
a_n=(-1)^n/sqrtn
$$
for example.
answered 25 mins ago
Foobaz John
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You beat me to it by $14$ seconds.
â Robert Israel
24 mins ago
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You beat me to it by $14$ seconds.
â Robert Israel
24 mins ago
You beat me to it by $14$ seconds.
â Robert Israel
24 mins ago
You beat me to it by $14$ seconds.
â Robert Israel
24 mins ago
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Try $$sum_n=1^infty frac(-1)^nsqrtn$$
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Try $$sum_n=1^infty frac(-1)^nsqrtn$$
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Try $$sum_n=1^infty frac(-1)^nsqrtn$$
Try $$sum_n=1^infty frac(-1)^nsqrtn$$
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The simplest example I have in mind is :
$$sum_n=1^+inftyfrac(-1)^nsqrtn $$
Beware that convergent (CV) and absolutely convergent (ACV) can be very different.
Indeed, if $sum_n=1^+infty a_n $ is ACV then, $sum_n=1^+infty a_n^2$ is also ACV. To prove it, you can simply notice that, since $lim a_n=0$ then for $n$ big enough, $|a_n^2|<|a_n|$.
You can also ask yourself a more general question :
What are the function $f:mathbb R rightarrow mathbb R$ such that for all
$sum a_n$ CV (resp. ACV), $sum f(a_n)$ is CV (resp. ACV).
It is a (difficult) exercise to show that for $f:mathbb Rrightarrow mathbb R$,
$$sum a_n ~CV Rightarrow sum f(a_n) ~CV quad textiff quad exists eta>0,exists lambdain mathbb R,forall xin ]-eta,eta[, quad f(x)=lambda x $$
$$sum a_n ~CV Rightarrow sum f(a_n) ~ACV quad textiff quad exists eta>0,forall xin ]-eta,eta[, quad f(x)=0 quadquadquad~~$$
$$sum a_n ~ACV Rightarrow sum f(a_n) ~ACV quad textiff quadquadquadquadquadquadquadquadquadquadquadquadquadquadquadquadquad$$ $$quad f(0)=0 text and exists eta>0,exists M >0,forall xin ]-eta,eta[, |f(x)|leq M |x| $$
$$sum a_n ACV Rightarrow sum f(a_n) ~CV quad textiff quad sum a_n ~ACV Rightarrow sum f(a_n) ~ACV~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ $$
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$sum_n a_n^2$ converges for this one.
â Robert Israel
23 mins ago
oups I answer too fast ^^
â Can I play with Mathness
20 mins ago
Can you correct it? Want to upvote the distinction between ACV and CV but can't bring myself to do it with the error
â Oscar Lanzi
11 mins ago
corrected, I also added a more general statement.
â Can I play with Mathness
10 mins ago
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up vote
0
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The simplest example I have in mind is :
$$sum_n=1^+inftyfrac(-1)^nsqrtn $$
Beware that convergent (CV) and absolutely convergent (ACV) can be very different.
Indeed, if $sum_n=1^+infty a_n $ is ACV then, $sum_n=1^+infty a_n^2$ is also ACV. To prove it, you can simply notice that, since $lim a_n=0$ then for $n$ big enough, $|a_n^2|<|a_n|$.
You can also ask yourself a more general question :
What are the function $f:mathbb R rightarrow mathbb R$ such that for all
$sum a_n$ CV (resp. ACV), $sum f(a_n)$ is CV (resp. ACV).
It is a (difficult) exercise to show that for $f:mathbb Rrightarrow mathbb R$,
$$sum a_n ~CV Rightarrow sum f(a_n) ~CV quad textiff quad exists eta>0,exists lambdain mathbb R,forall xin ]-eta,eta[, quad f(x)=lambda x $$
$$sum a_n ~CV Rightarrow sum f(a_n) ~ACV quad textiff quad exists eta>0,forall xin ]-eta,eta[, quad f(x)=0 quadquadquad~~$$
$$sum a_n ~ACV Rightarrow sum f(a_n) ~ACV quad textiff quadquadquadquadquadquadquadquadquadquadquadquadquadquadquadquadquad$$ $$quad f(0)=0 text and exists eta>0,exists M >0,forall xin ]-eta,eta[, |f(x)|leq M |x| $$
$$sum a_n ACV Rightarrow sum f(a_n) ~CV quad textiff quad sum a_n ~ACV Rightarrow sum f(a_n) ~ACV~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ $$
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$sum_n a_n^2$ converges for this one.
â Robert Israel
23 mins ago
oups I answer too fast ^^
â Can I play with Mathness
20 mins ago
Can you correct it? Want to upvote the distinction between ACV and CV but can't bring myself to do it with the error
â Oscar Lanzi
11 mins ago
corrected, I also added a more general statement.
â Can I play with Mathness
10 mins ago
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The simplest example I have in mind is :
$$sum_n=1^+inftyfrac(-1)^nsqrtn $$
Beware that convergent (CV) and absolutely convergent (ACV) can be very different.
Indeed, if $sum_n=1^+infty a_n $ is ACV then, $sum_n=1^+infty a_n^2$ is also ACV. To prove it, you can simply notice that, since $lim a_n=0$ then for $n$ big enough, $|a_n^2|<|a_n|$.
You can also ask yourself a more general question :
What are the function $f:mathbb R rightarrow mathbb R$ such that for all
$sum a_n$ CV (resp. ACV), $sum f(a_n)$ is CV (resp. ACV).
It is a (difficult) exercise to show that for $f:mathbb Rrightarrow mathbb R$,
$$sum a_n ~CV Rightarrow sum f(a_n) ~CV quad textiff quad exists eta>0,exists lambdain mathbb R,forall xin ]-eta,eta[, quad f(x)=lambda x $$
$$sum a_n ~CV Rightarrow sum f(a_n) ~ACV quad textiff quad exists eta>0,forall xin ]-eta,eta[, quad f(x)=0 quadquadquad~~$$
$$sum a_n ~ACV Rightarrow sum f(a_n) ~ACV quad textiff quadquadquadquadquadquadquadquadquadquadquadquadquadquadquadquadquad$$ $$quad f(0)=0 text and exists eta>0,exists M >0,forall xin ]-eta,eta[, |f(x)|leq M |x| $$
$$sum a_n ACV Rightarrow sum f(a_n) ~CV quad textiff quad sum a_n ~ACV Rightarrow sum f(a_n) ~ACV~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ $$
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The simplest example I have in mind is :
$$sum_n=1^+inftyfrac(-1)^nsqrtn $$
Beware that convergent (CV) and absolutely convergent (ACV) can be very different.
Indeed, if $sum_n=1^+infty a_n $ is ACV then, $sum_n=1^+infty a_n^2$ is also ACV. To prove it, you can simply notice that, since $lim a_n=0$ then for $n$ big enough, $|a_n^2|<|a_n|$.
You can also ask yourself a more general question :
What are the function $f:mathbb R rightarrow mathbb R$ such that for all
$sum a_n$ CV (resp. ACV), $sum f(a_n)$ is CV (resp. ACV).
It is a (difficult) exercise to show that for $f:mathbb Rrightarrow mathbb R$,
$$sum a_n ~CV Rightarrow sum f(a_n) ~CV quad textiff quad exists eta>0,exists lambdain mathbb R,forall xin ]-eta,eta[, quad f(x)=lambda x $$
$$sum a_n ~CV Rightarrow sum f(a_n) ~ACV quad textiff quad exists eta>0,forall xin ]-eta,eta[, quad f(x)=0 quadquadquad~~$$
$$sum a_n ~ACV Rightarrow sum f(a_n) ~ACV quad textiff quadquadquadquadquadquadquadquadquadquadquadquadquadquadquadquadquad$$ $$quad f(0)=0 text and exists eta>0,exists M >0,forall xin ]-eta,eta[, |f(x)|leq M |x| $$
$$sum a_n ACV Rightarrow sum f(a_n) ~CV quad textiff quad sum a_n ~ACV Rightarrow sum f(a_n) ~ACV~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ $$
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$sum_n a_n^2$ converges for this one.
â Robert Israel
23 mins ago
oups I answer too fast ^^
â Can I play with Mathness
20 mins ago
Can you correct it? Want to upvote the distinction between ACV and CV but can't bring myself to do it with the error
â Oscar Lanzi
11 mins ago
corrected, I also added a more general statement.
â Can I play with Mathness
10 mins ago
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$sum_n a_n^2$ converges for this one.
â Robert Israel
23 mins ago
oups I answer too fast ^^
â Can I play with Mathness
20 mins ago
Can you correct it? Want to upvote the distinction between ACV and CV but can't bring myself to do it with the error
â Oscar Lanzi
11 mins ago
corrected, I also added a more general statement.
â Can I play with Mathness
10 mins ago
1
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$sum_n a_n^2$ converges for this one.
â Robert Israel
23 mins ago
$sum_n a_n^2$ converges for this one.
â Robert Israel
23 mins ago
oups I answer too fast ^^
â Can I play with Mathness
20 mins ago
oups I answer too fast ^^
â Can I play with Mathness
20 mins ago
Can you correct it? Want to upvote the distinction between ACV and CV but can't bring myself to do it with the error
â Oscar Lanzi
11 mins ago
Can you correct it? Want to upvote the distinction between ACV and CV but can't bring myself to do it with the error
â Oscar Lanzi
11 mins ago
corrected, I also added a more general statement.
â Can I play with Mathness
10 mins ago
corrected, I also added a more general statement.
â Can I play with Mathness
10 mins ago
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More generally,
if $a_n = dfrac(-1)^nn^1/(2m)$,
then
$sum_n=1^infty a_n
$
converges for integer $m ge 0$
and
$sum_n=1^infty a_n^2m
$
diverges.
add a comment |Â
up vote
0
down vote
More generally,
if $a_n = dfrac(-1)^nn^1/(2m)$,
then
$sum_n=1^infty a_n
$
converges for integer $m ge 0$
and
$sum_n=1^infty a_n^2m
$
diverges.
add a comment |Â
up vote
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up vote
0
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More generally,
if $a_n = dfrac(-1)^nn^1/(2m)$,
then
$sum_n=1^infty a_n
$
converges for integer $m ge 0$
and
$sum_n=1^infty a_n^2m
$
diverges.
More generally,
if $a_n = dfrac(-1)^nn^1/(2m)$,
then
$sum_n=1^infty a_n
$
converges for integer $m ge 0$
and
$sum_n=1^infty a_n^2m
$
diverges.
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The implication you said after "because" is true but it's still possible that $sum_n a_n$ converges but not absolutely and $sum_n a_n^2$ does not converge (absolutely nor by any means).
â Saucy O'Path
26 mins ago
@max_zorn That's if $sum a_n$ converges absolutely.
â Robert Israel
22 mins ago
Yes, you are right Robert, sorry!
â max_zorn
18 mins ago