Is there a version of Fisher-Riesz theorem for Banach space?

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$( Omega,F, P )$: a measurable space equiped with a finite measure



$(B , Vert cdot Vert) $ : a Banach space with $mathcalB$ as its borelian $sigma$-algebra



$p$ : a constant bigger than $1$



Define $L^p(Omega, B )$ the vector space that contain all $( F, mathcalB)$-measurable function $f$ such that :



$ vert Vert f Vert vert = sqrt[p] int_Omega Vert f Vert ^p cdot dP < infty$



I'm looking for a version of Riesz-Fischer theorem which affirms that:



Proposition:
$left( L^p(Omega, B ) , vert Vert cdot Vert vert right)$ is a Banach space



With some quick calculations, I have the feeling that this proposition is quite easy to be proved. But as we all know, it's always better to have a reliable reference.



So my question is: " Is the above proposition true? And does anyone have references to this matter?"










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    NO! Unless $B$ is separable, or $(Omega, F, P)$ is a special sort of measurable space, this can fail. In general, if you restrict to functions with almost all values in a separable subspace of $B$, then you get the Bochner spaces, which are, indeed, complete.
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  • As the issue pointed out by @GeraldEdgar shows, the "right" definition of measurable vector-valued functions is not via the Boral $sigma$-algebra on $B$ but via approximation by simple functions. See for instance Section 1.1 of the book by Hytönen et. al. quoted in my comment below.
    – Jochen Glueck
    1 hour ago















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$( Omega,F, P )$: a measurable space equiped with a finite measure



$(B , Vert cdot Vert) $ : a Banach space with $mathcalB$ as its borelian $sigma$-algebra



$p$ : a constant bigger than $1$



Define $L^p(Omega, B )$ the vector space that contain all $( F, mathcalB)$-measurable function $f$ such that :



$ vert Vert f Vert vert = sqrt[p] int_Omega Vert f Vert ^p cdot dP < infty$



I'm looking for a version of Riesz-Fischer theorem which affirms that:



Proposition:
$left( L^p(Omega, B ) , vert Vert cdot Vert vert right)$ is a Banach space



With some quick calculations, I have the feeling that this proposition is quite easy to be proved. But as we all know, it's always better to have a reliable reference.



So my question is: " Is the above proposition true? And does anyone have references to this matter?"










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    You may be interested also in this book springer.com/gp/book/9783540637455
    – Tomek Kania
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    NO! Unless $B$ is separable, or $(Omega, F, P)$ is a special sort of measurable space, this can fail. In general, if you restrict to functions with almost all values in a separable subspace of $B$, then you get the Bochner spaces, which are, indeed, complete.
    – Gerald Edgar
    4 hours ago










  • As the issue pointed out by @GeraldEdgar shows, the "right" definition of measurable vector-valued functions is not via the Boral $sigma$-algebra on $B$ but via approximation by simple functions. See for instance Section 1.1 of the book by Hytönen et. al. quoted in my comment below.
    – Jochen Glueck
    1 hour ago













up vote
1
down vote

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up vote
1
down vote

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$( Omega,F, P )$: a measurable space equiped with a finite measure



$(B , Vert cdot Vert) $ : a Banach space with $mathcalB$ as its borelian $sigma$-algebra



$p$ : a constant bigger than $1$



Define $L^p(Omega, B )$ the vector space that contain all $( F, mathcalB)$-measurable function $f$ such that :



$ vert Vert f Vert vert = sqrt[p] int_Omega Vert f Vert ^p cdot dP < infty$



I'm looking for a version of Riesz-Fischer theorem which affirms that:



Proposition:
$left( L^p(Omega, B ) , vert Vert cdot Vert vert right)$ is a Banach space



With some quick calculations, I have the feeling that this proposition is quite easy to be proved. But as we all know, it's always better to have a reliable reference.



So my question is: " Is the above proposition true? And does anyone have references to this matter?"










share|cite|improve this question













$( Omega,F, P )$: a measurable space equiped with a finite measure



$(B , Vert cdot Vert) $ : a Banach space with $mathcalB$ as its borelian $sigma$-algebra



$p$ : a constant bigger than $1$



Define $L^p(Omega, B )$ the vector space that contain all $( F, mathcalB)$-measurable function $f$ such that :



$ vert Vert f Vert vert = sqrt[p] int_Omega Vert f Vert ^p cdot dP < infty$



I'm looking for a version of Riesz-Fischer theorem which affirms that:



Proposition:
$left( L^p(Omega, B ) , vert Vert cdot Vert vert right)$ is a Banach space



With some quick calculations, I have the feeling that this proposition is quite easy to be proved. But as we all know, it's always better to have a reliable reference.



So my question is: " Is the above proposition true? And does anyone have references to this matter?"







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    You may be interested also in this book springer.com/gp/book/9783540637455
    – Tomek Kania
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    NO! Unless $B$ is separable, or $(Omega, F, P)$ is a special sort of measurable space, this can fail. In general, if you restrict to functions with almost all values in a separable subspace of $B$, then you get the Bochner spaces, which are, indeed, complete.
    – Gerald Edgar
    4 hours ago










  • As the issue pointed out by @GeraldEdgar shows, the "right" definition of measurable vector-valued functions is not via the Boral $sigma$-algebra on $B$ but via approximation by simple functions. See for instance Section 1.1 of the book by Hytönen et. al. quoted in my comment below.
    – Jochen Glueck
    1 hour ago













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    You may be interested also in this book springer.com/gp/book/9783540637455
    – Tomek Kania
    5 hours ago






  • 2




    NO! Unless $B$ is separable, or $(Omega, F, P)$ is a special sort of measurable space, this can fail. In general, if you restrict to functions with almost all values in a separable subspace of $B$, then you get the Bochner spaces, which are, indeed, complete.
    – Gerald Edgar
    4 hours ago










  • As the issue pointed out by @GeraldEdgar shows, the "right" definition of measurable vector-valued functions is not via the Boral $sigma$-algebra on $B$ but via approximation by simple functions. See for instance Section 1.1 of the book by Hytönen et. al. quoted in my comment below.
    – Jochen Glueck
    1 hour ago








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You may be interested also in this book springer.com/gp/book/9783540637455
– Tomek Kania
5 hours ago




You may be interested also in this book springer.com/gp/book/9783540637455
– Tomek Kania
5 hours ago




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NO! Unless $B$ is separable, or $(Omega, F, P)$ is a special sort of measurable space, this can fail. In general, if you restrict to functions with almost all values in a separable subspace of $B$, then you get the Bochner spaces, which are, indeed, complete.
– Gerald Edgar
4 hours ago




NO! Unless $B$ is separable, or $(Omega, F, P)$ is a special sort of measurable space, this can fail. In general, if you restrict to functions with almost all values in a separable subspace of $B$, then you get the Bochner spaces, which are, indeed, complete.
– Gerald Edgar
4 hours ago












As the issue pointed out by @GeraldEdgar shows, the "right" definition of measurable vector-valued functions is not via the Boral $sigma$-algebra on $B$ but via approximation by simple functions. See for instance Section 1.1 of the book by Hytönen et. al. quoted in my comment below.
– Jochen Glueck
1 hour ago





As the issue pointed out by @GeraldEdgar shows, the "right" definition of measurable vector-valued functions is not via the Boral $sigma$-algebra on $B$ but via approximation by simple functions. See for instance Section 1.1 of the book by Hytönen et. al. quoted in my comment below.
– Jochen Glueck
1 hour ago











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These are called Bochner spaces, and yes, they are Banach spaces.



At least one of the standard proofs that $L^p$ is complete goes through basically without change:



Let $f_n$ be Cauchy in this norm. Pass to a subsequence so that $||f_n - f_n+1|| le 4^-n$. By Chebyshev's inequality, we then have $P(|f_n - f_n+1| ge 2^-n) le 2^-pn$. Then the Borel-Cantelli lemma implies that for almost every $omega in Omega$, we have $|f_n(omega) - f_n+1(omega)| le 2^-n$ for all but finitely many $n$. In particular, for such $omega$, the sequence $f_n(omega)$ is Cauchy in $B$, so it converges to some $f(omega) in B$.



Now you have that $f$ is the a.e. limit of the $f_n$. Let $epsilon > 0$. Since $f_n$ is Cauchy in $||cdot||$-norm, choose $N$ so large that $||f_n - f_m|| < epsilon$ for all $n,m > N$. Letting $m to infty$ and using Fatou's lemma on the integrals $int_Omega |f_n - f_m|,dP$, conclude that $||f_n - f|| < epsilon$ as well. Thus the subsequence $f_n$ converges to $f$ in norm. Now use the Cauchy assumption one more time to see that the original sequence converges to $f$ as well.



I think that Evans's PDE book has some basic results about these spaces. There should be lots of other functional analysis texts that discuss them in more detail.






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    Just to add a concrete example of quite a recent reference: see for instance "T. Hytönen, J. van Neerven, M. Veraar, L. Weis: Analysis in Banach Spaces, Volume I (2016)". Bochner spaces are treated in Chapter I in a rather general setting (for instance, without assuming $sigma$-finiteness in general).
    – Jochen Glueck
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  • I seem to remember some of the basics being sketched in Diestel and Uhl's book Vector Measures
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A beautiful treatment of vector valued $L^p$ spaces is in the book:



J. Diestel, J. J. Uhl, Vector measures. Mathematical Surveys, No. 15. American Mathematical Society, Providence, R.I., 1977.






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    These are called Bochner spaces, and yes, they are Banach spaces.



    At least one of the standard proofs that $L^p$ is complete goes through basically without change:



    Let $f_n$ be Cauchy in this norm. Pass to a subsequence so that $||f_n - f_n+1|| le 4^-n$. By Chebyshev's inequality, we then have $P(|f_n - f_n+1| ge 2^-n) le 2^-pn$. Then the Borel-Cantelli lemma implies that for almost every $omega in Omega$, we have $|f_n(omega) - f_n+1(omega)| le 2^-n$ for all but finitely many $n$. In particular, for such $omega$, the sequence $f_n(omega)$ is Cauchy in $B$, so it converges to some $f(omega) in B$.



    Now you have that $f$ is the a.e. limit of the $f_n$. Let $epsilon > 0$. Since $f_n$ is Cauchy in $||cdot||$-norm, choose $N$ so large that $||f_n - f_m|| < epsilon$ for all $n,m > N$. Letting $m to infty$ and using Fatou's lemma on the integrals $int_Omega |f_n - f_m|,dP$, conclude that $||f_n - f|| < epsilon$ as well. Thus the subsequence $f_n$ converges to $f$ in norm. Now use the Cauchy assumption one more time to see that the original sequence converges to $f$ as well.



    I think that Evans's PDE book has some basic results about these spaces. There should be lots of other functional analysis texts that discuss them in more detail.






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      Just to add a concrete example of quite a recent reference: see for instance "T. Hytönen, J. van Neerven, M. Veraar, L. Weis: Analysis in Banach Spaces, Volume I (2016)". Bochner spaces are treated in Chapter I in a rather general setting (for instance, without assuming $sigma$-finiteness in general).
      – Jochen Glueck
      6 hours ago











    • I seem to remember some of the basics being sketched in Diestel and Uhl's book Vector Measures
      – Yemon Choi
      5 hours ago














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    4
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    These are called Bochner spaces, and yes, they are Banach spaces.



    At least one of the standard proofs that $L^p$ is complete goes through basically without change:



    Let $f_n$ be Cauchy in this norm. Pass to a subsequence so that $||f_n - f_n+1|| le 4^-n$. By Chebyshev's inequality, we then have $P(|f_n - f_n+1| ge 2^-n) le 2^-pn$. Then the Borel-Cantelli lemma implies that for almost every $omega in Omega$, we have $|f_n(omega) - f_n+1(omega)| le 2^-n$ for all but finitely many $n$. In particular, for such $omega$, the sequence $f_n(omega)$ is Cauchy in $B$, so it converges to some $f(omega) in B$.



    Now you have that $f$ is the a.e. limit of the $f_n$. Let $epsilon > 0$. Since $f_n$ is Cauchy in $||cdot||$-norm, choose $N$ so large that $||f_n - f_m|| < epsilon$ for all $n,m > N$. Letting $m to infty$ and using Fatou's lemma on the integrals $int_Omega |f_n - f_m|,dP$, conclude that $||f_n - f|| < epsilon$ as well. Thus the subsequence $f_n$ converges to $f$ in norm. Now use the Cauchy assumption one more time to see that the original sequence converges to $f$ as well.



    I think that Evans's PDE book has some basic results about these spaces. There should be lots of other functional analysis texts that discuss them in more detail.






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      Just to add a concrete example of quite a recent reference: see for instance "T. Hytönen, J. van Neerven, M. Veraar, L. Weis: Analysis in Banach Spaces, Volume I (2016)". Bochner spaces are treated in Chapter I in a rather general setting (for instance, without assuming $sigma$-finiteness in general).
      – Jochen Glueck
      6 hours ago











    • I seem to remember some of the basics being sketched in Diestel and Uhl's book Vector Measures
      – Yemon Choi
      5 hours ago












    up vote
    4
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    up vote
    4
    down vote









    These are called Bochner spaces, and yes, they are Banach spaces.



    At least one of the standard proofs that $L^p$ is complete goes through basically without change:



    Let $f_n$ be Cauchy in this norm. Pass to a subsequence so that $||f_n - f_n+1|| le 4^-n$. By Chebyshev's inequality, we then have $P(|f_n - f_n+1| ge 2^-n) le 2^-pn$. Then the Borel-Cantelli lemma implies that for almost every $omega in Omega$, we have $|f_n(omega) - f_n+1(omega)| le 2^-n$ for all but finitely many $n$. In particular, for such $omega$, the sequence $f_n(omega)$ is Cauchy in $B$, so it converges to some $f(omega) in B$.



    Now you have that $f$ is the a.e. limit of the $f_n$. Let $epsilon > 0$. Since $f_n$ is Cauchy in $||cdot||$-norm, choose $N$ so large that $||f_n - f_m|| < epsilon$ for all $n,m > N$. Letting $m to infty$ and using Fatou's lemma on the integrals $int_Omega |f_n - f_m|,dP$, conclude that $||f_n - f|| < epsilon$ as well. Thus the subsequence $f_n$ converges to $f$ in norm. Now use the Cauchy assumption one more time to see that the original sequence converges to $f$ as well.



    I think that Evans's PDE book has some basic results about these spaces. There should be lots of other functional analysis texts that discuss them in more detail.






    share|cite|improve this answer














    These are called Bochner spaces, and yes, they are Banach spaces.



    At least one of the standard proofs that $L^p$ is complete goes through basically without change:



    Let $f_n$ be Cauchy in this norm. Pass to a subsequence so that $||f_n - f_n+1|| le 4^-n$. By Chebyshev's inequality, we then have $P(|f_n - f_n+1| ge 2^-n) le 2^-pn$. Then the Borel-Cantelli lemma implies that for almost every $omega in Omega$, we have $|f_n(omega) - f_n+1(omega)| le 2^-n$ for all but finitely many $n$. In particular, for such $omega$, the sequence $f_n(omega)$ is Cauchy in $B$, so it converges to some $f(omega) in B$.



    Now you have that $f$ is the a.e. limit of the $f_n$. Let $epsilon > 0$. Since $f_n$ is Cauchy in $||cdot||$-norm, choose $N$ so large that $||f_n - f_m|| < epsilon$ for all $n,m > N$. Letting $m to infty$ and using Fatou's lemma on the integrals $int_Omega |f_n - f_m|,dP$, conclude that $||f_n - f|| < epsilon$ as well. Thus the subsequence $f_n$ converges to $f$ in norm. Now use the Cauchy assumption one more time to see that the original sequence converges to $f$ as well.



    I think that Evans's PDE book has some basic results about these spaces. There should be lots of other functional analysis texts that discuss them in more detail.







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      Just to add a concrete example of quite a recent reference: see for instance "T. Hytönen, J. van Neerven, M. Veraar, L. Weis: Analysis in Banach Spaces, Volume I (2016)". Bochner spaces are treated in Chapter I in a rather general setting (for instance, without assuming $sigma$-finiteness in general).
      – Jochen Glueck
      6 hours ago











    • I seem to remember some of the basics being sketched in Diestel and Uhl's book Vector Measures
      – Yemon Choi
      5 hours ago












    • 1




      Just to add a concrete example of quite a recent reference: see for instance "T. Hytönen, J. van Neerven, M. Veraar, L. Weis: Analysis in Banach Spaces, Volume I (2016)". Bochner spaces are treated in Chapter I in a rather general setting (for instance, without assuming $sigma$-finiteness in general).
      – Jochen Glueck
      6 hours ago











    • I seem to remember some of the basics being sketched in Diestel and Uhl's book Vector Measures
      – Yemon Choi
      5 hours ago







    1




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    Just to add a concrete example of quite a recent reference: see for instance "T. Hytönen, J. van Neerven, M. Veraar, L. Weis: Analysis in Banach Spaces, Volume I (2016)". Bochner spaces are treated in Chapter I in a rather general setting (for instance, without assuming $sigma$-finiteness in general).
    – Jochen Glueck
    6 hours ago





    Just to add a concrete example of quite a recent reference: see for instance "T. Hytönen, J. van Neerven, M. Veraar, L. Weis: Analysis in Banach Spaces, Volume I (2016)". Bochner spaces are treated in Chapter I in a rather general setting (for instance, without assuming $sigma$-finiteness in general).
    – Jochen Glueck
    6 hours ago













    I seem to remember some of the basics being sketched in Diestel and Uhl's book Vector Measures
    – Yemon Choi
    5 hours ago




    I seem to remember some of the basics being sketched in Diestel and Uhl's book Vector Measures
    – Yemon Choi
    5 hours ago










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    A beautiful treatment of vector valued $L^p$ spaces is in the book:



    J. Diestel, J. J. Uhl, Vector measures. Mathematical Surveys, No. 15. American Mathematical Society, Providence, R.I., 1977.






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      A beautiful treatment of vector valued $L^p$ spaces is in the book:



      J. Diestel, J. J. Uhl, Vector measures. Mathematical Surveys, No. 15. American Mathematical Society, Providence, R.I., 1977.






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        A beautiful treatment of vector valued $L^p$ spaces is in the book:



        J. Diestel, J. J. Uhl, Vector measures. Mathematical Surveys, No. 15. American Mathematical Society, Providence, R.I., 1977.






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        A beautiful treatment of vector valued $L^p$ spaces is in the book:



        J. Diestel, J. J. Uhl, Vector measures. Mathematical Surveys, No. 15. American Mathematical Society, Providence, R.I., 1977.







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