How to prove that the limit of this sequence is $400/pi$
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I am new to this forum, so I hope I am proceeding in the correct way. Please excuse any mistakes.
I am trying to prove that the limiting factor of a 2D shape's surface area is a circle, and I have managed to find an equation for this from a regular polygon. In my question, I assume that the maximum perimeter/circumference one can form is 40cm (i.e. if someone has 40cm of string). So:
For a perimeter of 40:
$$
lim_n rightarrow inftyfrac200sin(frac2ÃÂn)nsin^2(fracÃÂn)=frac400ÃÂ
$$
I got this value using Wolfram Alpha, which confirmed that the limiting factor for surface area is a circle, since the surface area of a circle with a circumference of 40cm = 400/ÃÂ.
However, I am unable to prove this formula algebraically. I tried using l'hospital's rule after realising that the limit of the original function was 0/0, but I got nowhere. In fact, the result I got was -400ÃÂ/0, which was very disappointing after so much working out!
I was wondering if anyone could help me prove this algebraically or otherwise. I am happy that I found an equation that proves what I wanted to, but I am unable to prove Wolfram Alpha's result, which is frustrating.
Again, I am new to this forum, so please let me know if I have made any mistakes so that I can edit my question.
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I am new to this forum, so I hope I am proceeding in the correct way. Please excuse any mistakes.
I am trying to prove that the limiting factor of a 2D shape's surface area is a circle, and I have managed to find an equation for this from a regular polygon. In my question, I assume that the maximum perimeter/circumference one can form is 40cm (i.e. if someone has 40cm of string). So:
For a perimeter of 40:
$$
lim_n rightarrow inftyfrac200sin(frac2ÃÂn)nsin^2(fracÃÂn)=frac400ÃÂ
$$
I got this value using Wolfram Alpha, which confirmed that the limiting factor for surface area is a circle, since the surface area of a circle with a circumference of 40cm = 400/ÃÂ.
However, I am unable to prove this formula algebraically. I tried using l'hospital's rule after realising that the limit of the original function was 0/0, but I got nowhere. In fact, the result I got was -400ÃÂ/0, which was very disappointing after so much working out!
I was wondering if anyone could help me prove this algebraically or otherwise. I am happy that I found an equation that proves what I wanted to, but I am unable to prove Wolfram Alpha's result, which is frustrating.
Again, I am new to this forum, so please let me know if I have made any mistakes so that I can edit my question.
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l'hopital's rule will work here - are you sure you don't have a mistake in applying the chain rule to the d/dn(sin(1/n)) parts of your expression?
â jacob1729
Oct 3 at 22:13
Maybe - I will try again later and let you know. It's a very frustrating process though, but I'm glad it should work!
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Oct 3 at 22:16
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I am new to this forum, so I hope I am proceeding in the correct way. Please excuse any mistakes.
I am trying to prove that the limiting factor of a 2D shape's surface area is a circle, and I have managed to find an equation for this from a regular polygon. In my question, I assume that the maximum perimeter/circumference one can form is 40cm (i.e. if someone has 40cm of string). So:
For a perimeter of 40:
$$
lim_n rightarrow inftyfrac200sin(frac2ÃÂn)nsin^2(fracÃÂn)=frac400ÃÂ
$$
I got this value using Wolfram Alpha, which confirmed that the limiting factor for surface area is a circle, since the surface area of a circle with a circumference of 40cm = 400/ÃÂ.
However, I am unable to prove this formula algebraically. I tried using l'hospital's rule after realising that the limit of the original function was 0/0, but I got nowhere. In fact, the result I got was -400ÃÂ/0, which was very disappointing after so much working out!
I was wondering if anyone could help me prove this algebraically or otherwise. I am happy that I found an equation that proves what I wanted to, but I am unable to prove Wolfram Alpha's result, which is frustrating.
Again, I am new to this forum, so please let me know if I have made any mistakes so that I can edit my question.
calculus limits limits-without-lhopital
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I am new to this forum, so I hope I am proceeding in the correct way. Please excuse any mistakes.
I am trying to prove that the limiting factor of a 2D shape's surface area is a circle, and I have managed to find an equation for this from a regular polygon. In my question, I assume that the maximum perimeter/circumference one can form is 40cm (i.e. if someone has 40cm of string). So:
For a perimeter of 40:
$$
lim_n rightarrow inftyfrac200sin(frac2ÃÂn)nsin^2(fracÃÂn)=frac400ÃÂ
$$
I got this value using Wolfram Alpha, which confirmed that the limiting factor for surface area is a circle, since the surface area of a circle with a circumference of 40cm = 400/ÃÂ.
However, I am unable to prove this formula algebraically. I tried using l'hospital's rule after realising that the limit of the original function was 0/0, but I got nowhere. In fact, the result I got was -400ÃÂ/0, which was very disappointing after so much working out!
I was wondering if anyone could help me prove this algebraically or otherwise. I am happy that I found an equation that proves what I wanted to, but I am unable to prove Wolfram Alpha's result, which is frustrating.
Again, I am new to this forum, so please let me know if I have made any mistakes so that I can edit my question.
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l'hopital's rule will work here - are you sure you don't have a mistake in applying the chain rule to the d/dn(sin(1/n)) parts of your expression?
â jacob1729
Oct 3 at 22:13
Maybe - I will try again later and let you know. It's a very frustrating process though, but I'm glad it should work!
â Natumakie
Oct 3 at 22:16
Side note: I don't think this site is a forum. The stack exchange tour makes it clear the site is about getting answers and not irrelevant discussion
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Oct 4 at 7:05
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l'hopital's rule will work here - are you sure you don't have a mistake in applying the chain rule to the d/dn(sin(1/n)) parts of your expression?
â jacob1729
Oct 3 at 22:13
Maybe - I will try again later and let you know. It's a very frustrating process though, but I'm glad it should work!
â Natumakie
Oct 3 at 22:16
Side note: I don't think this site is a forum. The stack exchange tour makes it clear the site is about getting answers and not irrelevant discussion
â qwr
Oct 4 at 7:05
l'hopital's rule will work here - are you sure you don't have a mistake in applying the chain rule to the d/dn(sin(1/n)) parts of your expression?
â jacob1729
Oct 3 at 22:13
l'hopital's rule will work here - are you sure you don't have a mistake in applying the chain rule to the d/dn(sin(1/n)) parts of your expression?
â jacob1729
Oct 3 at 22:13
Maybe - I will try again later and let you know. It's a very frustrating process though, but I'm glad it should work!
â Natumakie
Oct 3 at 22:16
Maybe - I will try again later and let you know. It's a very frustrating process though, but I'm glad it should work!
â Natumakie
Oct 3 at 22:16
Side note: I don't think this site is a forum. The stack exchange tour makes it clear the site is about getting answers and not irrelevant discussion
â qwr
Oct 4 at 7:05
Side note: I don't think this site is a forum. The stack exchange tour makes it clear the site is about getting answers and not irrelevant discussion
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Oct 4 at 7:05
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Let $x = frac pin$
Now we have the more familiar looking:
$lim_limitsxto 0 frac 200sin 2x(frac pi x) sin^2 x\
lim_limitsxto 0 left(frac 200pi right)left(frac sin 2xsin xright)left(frac xsin xright)$
Imo, the accepted answer isn't clear enough, while this one is. Maybe one more line can be added: sin(2x)/sin(x) = 2sin(x)cos(x)/sin(x) = 2cos(x)
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It's simple if you use equivalents:
Near $0$, $sin xsim x$, so
$$frac200sin(frac2ÃÂn)nsin^2(fracÃÂn)sim_ntoinftyfrac200 dfrac2ÃÂnn Bigl(dfracÃÂnBigr)^2=fraccfrac400notpinot ncfracpi^not2not n=frac400pi.$$
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Hint:
$$
frac200sin(frac2ÃÂn)nsin^2(fracÃÂn) =
200 ;fracsin(frac2ÃÂn)frac2ÃÂn
left( fracfracÃÂnsin(fracÃÂn) right)^2
fracfrac2ÃÂnnleft(fracÃÂnright)^2
$$
What can you say about $fracsin(x_n)x_n$ when $x_n xrightarrowntoinfty 0$?
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3 Answers
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active
oldest
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active
oldest
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up vote
9
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Let $x = frac pin$
Now we have the more familiar looking:
$lim_limitsxto 0 frac 200sin 2x(frac pi x) sin^2 x\
lim_limitsxto 0 left(frac 200pi right)left(frac sin 2xsin xright)left(frac xsin xright)$
Imo, the accepted answer isn't clear enough, while this one is. Maybe one more line can be added: sin(2x)/sin(x) = 2sin(x)cos(x)/sin(x) = 2cos(x)
â iamanigeeit
Oct 4 at 3:54
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up vote
9
down vote
accepted
Let $x = frac pin$
Now we have the more familiar looking:
$lim_limitsxto 0 frac 200sin 2x(frac pi x) sin^2 x\
lim_limitsxto 0 left(frac 200pi right)left(frac sin 2xsin xright)left(frac xsin xright)$
Imo, the accepted answer isn't clear enough, while this one is. Maybe one more line can be added: sin(2x)/sin(x) = 2sin(x)cos(x)/sin(x) = 2cos(x)
â iamanigeeit
Oct 4 at 3:54
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up vote
9
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accepted
up vote
9
down vote
accepted
Let $x = frac pin$
Now we have the more familiar looking:
$lim_limitsxto 0 frac 200sin 2x(frac pi x) sin^2 x\
lim_limitsxto 0 left(frac 200pi right)left(frac sin 2xsin xright)left(frac xsin xright)$
Let $x = frac pin$
Now we have the more familiar looking:
$lim_limitsxto 0 frac 200sin 2x(frac pi x) sin^2 x\
lim_limitsxto 0 left(frac 200pi right)left(frac sin 2xsin xright)left(frac xsin xright)$
answered Oct 3 at 22:17
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Imo, the accepted answer isn't clear enough, while this one is. Maybe one more line can be added: sin(2x)/sin(x) = 2sin(x)cos(x)/sin(x) = 2cos(x)
â iamanigeeit
Oct 4 at 3:54
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Imo, the accepted answer isn't clear enough, while this one is. Maybe one more line can be added: sin(2x)/sin(x) = 2sin(x)cos(x)/sin(x) = 2cos(x)
â iamanigeeit
Oct 4 at 3:54
Imo, the accepted answer isn't clear enough, while this one is. Maybe one more line can be added: sin(2x)/sin(x) = 2sin(x)cos(x)/sin(x) = 2cos(x)
â iamanigeeit
Oct 4 at 3:54
Imo, the accepted answer isn't clear enough, while this one is. Maybe one more line can be added: sin(2x)/sin(x) = 2sin(x)cos(x)/sin(x) = 2cos(x)
â iamanigeeit
Oct 4 at 3:54
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It's simple if you use equivalents:
Near $0$, $sin xsim x$, so
$$frac200sin(frac2ÃÂn)nsin^2(fracÃÂn)sim_ntoinftyfrac200 dfrac2ÃÂnn Bigl(dfracÃÂnBigr)^2=fraccfrac400notpinot ncfracpi^not2not n=frac400pi.$$
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up vote
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It's simple if you use equivalents:
Near $0$, $sin xsim x$, so
$$frac200sin(frac2ÃÂn)nsin^2(fracÃÂn)sim_ntoinftyfrac200 dfrac2ÃÂnn Bigl(dfracÃÂnBigr)^2=fraccfrac400notpinot ncfracpi^not2not n=frac400pi.$$
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It's simple if you use equivalents:
Near $0$, $sin xsim x$, so
$$frac200sin(frac2ÃÂn)nsin^2(fracÃÂn)sim_ntoinftyfrac200 dfrac2ÃÂnn Bigl(dfracÃÂnBigr)^2=fraccfrac400notpinot ncfracpi^not2not n=frac400pi.$$
It's simple if you use equivalents:
Near $0$, $sin xsim x$, so
$$frac200sin(frac2ÃÂn)nsin^2(fracÃÂn)sim_ntoinftyfrac200 dfrac2ÃÂnn Bigl(dfracÃÂnBigr)^2=fraccfrac400notpinot ncfracpi^not2not n=frac400pi.$$
answered Oct 3 at 22:19
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Hint:
$$
frac200sin(frac2ÃÂn)nsin^2(fracÃÂn) =
200 ;fracsin(frac2ÃÂn)frac2ÃÂn
left( fracfracÃÂnsin(fracÃÂn) right)^2
fracfrac2ÃÂnnleft(fracÃÂnright)^2
$$
What can you say about $fracsin(x_n)x_n$ when $x_n xrightarrowntoinfty 0$?
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up vote
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Hint:
$$
frac200sin(frac2ÃÂn)nsin^2(fracÃÂn) =
200 ;fracsin(frac2ÃÂn)frac2ÃÂn
left( fracfracÃÂnsin(fracÃÂn) right)^2
fracfrac2ÃÂnnleft(fracÃÂnright)^2
$$
What can you say about $fracsin(x_n)x_n$ when $x_n xrightarrowntoinfty 0$?
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up vote
3
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up vote
3
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Hint:
$$
frac200sin(frac2ÃÂn)nsin^2(fracÃÂn) =
200 ;fracsin(frac2ÃÂn)frac2ÃÂn
left( fracfracÃÂnsin(fracÃÂn) right)^2
fracfrac2ÃÂnnleft(fracÃÂnright)^2
$$
What can you say about $fracsin(x_n)x_n$ when $x_n xrightarrowntoinfty 0$?
Hint:
$$
frac200sin(frac2ÃÂn)nsin^2(fracÃÂn) =
200 ;fracsin(frac2ÃÂn)frac2ÃÂn
left( fracfracÃÂnsin(fracÃÂn) right)^2
fracfrac2ÃÂnnleft(fracÃÂnright)^2
$$
What can you say about $fracsin(x_n)x_n$ when $x_n xrightarrowntoinfty 0$?
answered Oct 3 at 22:19
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l'hopital's rule will work here - are you sure you don't have a mistake in applying the chain rule to the d/dn(sin(1/n)) parts of your expression?
â jacob1729
Oct 3 at 22:13
Maybe - I will try again later and let you know. It's a very frustrating process though, but I'm glad it should work!
â Natumakie
Oct 3 at 22:16
Side note: I don't think this site is a forum. The stack exchange tour makes it clear the site is about getting answers and not irrelevant discussion
â qwr
Oct 4 at 7:05