Serre's remark on group algebras and related questions
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I've recently heard about an idea of Serre that for each finite group $G$ there exists a group scheme $X$ such that for each field $K$ the group $X(K)$ is naturally isomorphic to the unit group of $K[G]$. Unfortunately, the article where this fact was mentioned gave no reference, so I ask you if you know how to construct such a scheme. Of course, an interesting question would be: what about a set of $R$-points of $X$, where $R$ is a ring, how is it related to $R[G]$?
And can this be generalized somehow to arbitrary groups? In the form given above it sounds not really possible as for $K[mathbb Z]$ the group of units is isomorphic to $K^*times mathbb Z$ and one can hardly imagine a group scheme whose group of $K$-points is isomorphic to $mathbb Z$.
By the way, why there is no group scheme whose group of points is isomorphic to $mathbb Z$? Or it exists?
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I've recently heard about an idea of Serre that for each finite group $G$ there exists a group scheme $X$ such that for each field $K$ the group $X(K)$ is naturally isomorphic to the unit group of $K[G]$. Unfortunately, the article where this fact was mentioned gave no reference, so I ask you if you know how to construct such a scheme. Of course, an interesting question would be: what about a set of $R$-points of $X$, where $R$ is a ring, how is it related to $R[G]$?
And can this be generalized somehow to arbitrary groups? In the form given above it sounds not really possible as for $K[mathbb Z]$ the group of units is isomorphic to $K^*times mathbb Z$ and one can hardly imagine a group scheme whose group of $K$-points is isomorphic to $mathbb Z$.
By the way, why there is no group scheme whose group of points is isomorphic to $mathbb Z$? Or it exists?
ag.algebraic-geometry gr.group-theory group-schemes
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I've recently heard about an idea of Serre that for each finite group $G$ there exists a group scheme $X$ such that for each field $K$ the group $X(K)$ is naturally isomorphic to the unit group of $K[G]$. Unfortunately, the article where this fact was mentioned gave no reference, so I ask you if you know how to construct such a scheme. Of course, an interesting question would be: what about a set of $R$-points of $X$, where $R$ is a ring, how is it related to $R[G]$?
And can this be generalized somehow to arbitrary groups? In the form given above it sounds not really possible as for $K[mathbb Z]$ the group of units is isomorphic to $K^*times mathbb Z$ and one can hardly imagine a group scheme whose group of $K$-points is isomorphic to $mathbb Z$.
By the way, why there is no group scheme whose group of points is isomorphic to $mathbb Z$? Or it exists?
ag.algebraic-geometry gr.group-theory group-schemes
I've recently heard about an idea of Serre that for each finite group $G$ there exists a group scheme $X$ such that for each field $K$ the group $X(K)$ is naturally isomorphic to the unit group of $K[G]$. Unfortunately, the article where this fact was mentioned gave no reference, so I ask you if you know how to construct such a scheme. Of course, an interesting question would be: what about a set of $R$-points of $X$, where $R$ is a ring, how is it related to $R[G]$?
And can this be generalized somehow to arbitrary groups? In the form given above it sounds not really possible as for $K[mathbb Z]$ the group of units is isomorphic to $K^*times mathbb Z$ and one can hardly imagine a group scheme whose group of $K$-points is isomorphic to $mathbb Z$.
By the way, why there is no group scheme whose group of points is isomorphic to $mathbb Z$? Or it exists?
ag.algebraic-geometry gr.group-theory group-schemes
ag.algebraic-geometry gr.group-theory group-schemes
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It's fairly easy to do this for finite groups. In fact, the functor $R mapsto R[G]$ is naturally representable by a ring scheme: the underlying set functor is represented by $mathbb A^n$ where $n = |G|$, and the ring structure comes from the functor of points $R mapsto R[G]$. Write $Y$ for this ring scheme (say over $operatornameSpec mathbb Z$).
Now the unit group can be constructed as the closed subset $V subseteq Y times Y$ of pairs $(x,y)$ such that $xy = 1$. It is closed because it is the pullback of the diagram
$$beginarraycccV & to & Y times Y\downarrow & & downarrow \ 1 & hookrightarrow & Yendarray,$$
where the right vertical map is the multiplication morphism on $Y$. This shows that $R mapsto R[G]^times$ is representable. It naturally becomes a group scheme, again by the functor of points point of view. $square$
In the infinite case, this construction doesn't work, because the functor $R mapsto R[G]$ is not represented by $mathbb A^G$ (the latter represents the infinite direct product $R mapsto R^G$, not the direct sum $R mapsto R^(G)$). I have no idea whether the functor $R mapsto R^(G)$ (equivalently, the sheaf $mathcal O^(G)$) is representable, but I think it might not be.
On the other hand, in the example you give of $G = mathbb Z$, the functor on fields
$$K mapsto K[x,x^-1]^times = K^times times mathbb Z$$
is representable by $coprod_i in mathbb Z mathbb G_m$, but this does not represent the functor $R mapsto R[x,x^-1]^times$ on rings for multiple reasons. Indeed, it is no longer true that $R[x,x^-1]^times = R^times times mathbb Z$ if $R$ is non-reduced, nor does $coprod mathbb G_m$ represent $R mapsto R^times times mathbb Z$ if $operatornameSpec R$ is disconnected. These problems do not cancel out, as can already be seen by taking $R = k[varepsilon]/(varepsilon^2)$.
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It's fairly easy to do this for finite groups. In fact, the functor $R mapsto R[G]$ is naturally representable by a ring scheme: the underlying set functor is represented by $mathbb A^n$ where $n = |G|$, and the ring structure comes from the functor of points $R mapsto R[G]$. Write $Y$ for this ring scheme (say over $operatornameSpec mathbb Z$).
Now the unit group can be constructed as the closed subset $V subseteq Y times Y$ of pairs $(x,y)$ such that $xy = 1$. It is closed because it is the pullback of the diagram
$$beginarraycccV & to & Y times Y\downarrow & & downarrow \ 1 & hookrightarrow & Yendarray,$$
where the right vertical map is the multiplication morphism on $Y$. This shows that $R mapsto R[G]^times$ is representable. It naturally becomes a group scheme, again by the functor of points point of view. $square$
In the infinite case, this construction doesn't work, because the functor $R mapsto R[G]$ is not represented by $mathbb A^G$ (the latter represents the infinite direct product $R mapsto R^G$, not the direct sum $R mapsto R^(G)$). I have no idea whether the functor $R mapsto R^(G)$ (equivalently, the sheaf $mathcal O^(G)$) is representable, but I think it might not be.
On the other hand, in the example you give of $G = mathbb Z$, the functor on fields
$$K mapsto K[x,x^-1]^times = K^times times mathbb Z$$
is representable by $coprod_i in mathbb Z mathbb G_m$, but this does not represent the functor $R mapsto R[x,x^-1]^times$ on rings for multiple reasons. Indeed, it is no longer true that $R[x,x^-1]^times = R^times times mathbb Z$ if $R$ is non-reduced, nor does $coprod mathbb G_m$ represent $R mapsto R^times times mathbb Z$ if $operatornameSpec R$ is disconnected. These problems do not cancel out, as can already be seen by taking $R = k[varepsilon]/(varepsilon^2)$.
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It's fairly easy to do this for finite groups. In fact, the functor $R mapsto R[G]$ is naturally representable by a ring scheme: the underlying set functor is represented by $mathbb A^n$ where $n = |G|$, and the ring structure comes from the functor of points $R mapsto R[G]$. Write $Y$ for this ring scheme (say over $operatornameSpec mathbb Z$).
Now the unit group can be constructed as the closed subset $V subseteq Y times Y$ of pairs $(x,y)$ such that $xy = 1$. It is closed because it is the pullback of the diagram
$$beginarraycccV & to & Y times Y\downarrow & & downarrow \ 1 & hookrightarrow & Yendarray,$$
where the right vertical map is the multiplication morphism on $Y$. This shows that $R mapsto R[G]^times$ is representable. It naturally becomes a group scheme, again by the functor of points point of view. $square$
In the infinite case, this construction doesn't work, because the functor $R mapsto R[G]$ is not represented by $mathbb A^G$ (the latter represents the infinite direct product $R mapsto R^G$, not the direct sum $R mapsto R^(G)$). I have no idea whether the functor $R mapsto R^(G)$ (equivalently, the sheaf $mathcal O^(G)$) is representable, but I think it might not be.
On the other hand, in the example you give of $G = mathbb Z$, the functor on fields
$$K mapsto K[x,x^-1]^times = K^times times mathbb Z$$
is representable by $coprod_i in mathbb Z mathbb G_m$, but this does not represent the functor $R mapsto R[x,x^-1]^times$ on rings for multiple reasons. Indeed, it is no longer true that $R[x,x^-1]^times = R^times times mathbb Z$ if $R$ is non-reduced, nor does $coprod mathbb G_m$ represent $R mapsto R^times times mathbb Z$ if $operatornameSpec R$ is disconnected. These problems do not cancel out, as can already be seen by taking $R = k[varepsilon]/(varepsilon^2)$.
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It's fairly easy to do this for finite groups. In fact, the functor $R mapsto R[G]$ is naturally representable by a ring scheme: the underlying set functor is represented by $mathbb A^n$ where $n = |G|$, and the ring structure comes from the functor of points $R mapsto R[G]$. Write $Y$ for this ring scheme (say over $operatornameSpec mathbb Z$).
Now the unit group can be constructed as the closed subset $V subseteq Y times Y$ of pairs $(x,y)$ such that $xy = 1$. It is closed because it is the pullback of the diagram
$$beginarraycccV & to & Y times Y\downarrow & & downarrow \ 1 & hookrightarrow & Yendarray,$$
where the right vertical map is the multiplication morphism on $Y$. This shows that $R mapsto R[G]^times$ is representable. It naturally becomes a group scheme, again by the functor of points point of view. $square$
In the infinite case, this construction doesn't work, because the functor $R mapsto R[G]$ is not represented by $mathbb A^G$ (the latter represents the infinite direct product $R mapsto R^G$, not the direct sum $R mapsto R^(G)$). I have no idea whether the functor $R mapsto R^(G)$ (equivalently, the sheaf $mathcal O^(G)$) is representable, but I think it might not be.
On the other hand, in the example you give of $G = mathbb Z$, the functor on fields
$$K mapsto K[x,x^-1]^times = K^times times mathbb Z$$
is representable by $coprod_i in mathbb Z mathbb G_m$, but this does not represent the functor $R mapsto R[x,x^-1]^times$ on rings for multiple reasons. Indeed, it is no longer true that $R[x,x^-1]^times = R^times times mathbb Z$ if $R$ is non-reduced, nor does $coprod mathbb G_m$ represent $R mapsto R^times times mathbb Z$ if $operatornameSpec R$ is disconnected. These problems do not cancel out, as can already be seen by taking $R = k[varepsilon]/(varepsilon^2)$.
It's fairly easy to do this for finite groups. In fact, the functor $R mapsto R[G]$ is naturally representable by a ring scheme: the underlying set functor is represented by $mathbb A^n$ where $n = |G|$, and the ring structure comes from the functor of points $R mapsto R[G]$. Write $Y$ for this ring scheme (say over $operatornameSpec mathbb Z$).
Now the unit group can be constructed as the closed subset $V subseteq Y times Y$ of pairs $(x,y)$ such that $xy = 1$. It is closed because it is the pullback of the diagram
$$beginarraycccV & to & Y times Y\downarrow & & downarrow \ 1 & hookrightarrow & Yendarray,$$
where the right vertical map is the multiplication morphism on $Y$. This shows that $R mapsto R[G]^times$ is representable. It naturally becomes a group scheme, again by the functor of points point of view. $square$
In the infinite case, this construction doesn't work, because the functor $R mapsto R[G]$ is not represented by $mathbb A^G$ (the latter represents the infinite direct product $R mapsto R^G$, not the direct sum $R mapsto R^(G)$). I have no idea whether the functor $R mapsto R^(G)$ (equivalently, the sheaf $mathcal O^(G)$) is representable, but I think it might not be.
On the other hand, in the example you give of $G = mathbb Z$, the functor on fields
$$K mapsto K[x,x^-1]^times = K^times times mathbb Z$$
is representable by $coprod_i in mathbb Z mathbb G_m$, but this does not represent the functor $R mapsto R[x,x^-1]^times$ on rings for multiple reasons. Indeed, it is no longer true that $R[x,x^-1]^times = R^times times mathbb Z$ if $R$ is non-reduced, nor does $coprod mathbb G_m$ represent $R mapsto R^times times mathbb Z$ if $operatornameSpec R$ is disconnected. These problems do not cancel out, as can already be seen by taking $R = k[varepsilon]/(varepsilon^2)$.
answered Sep 11 at 4:22
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