Is the MMU (Memory Management Unit) chip necessary for a processor to have virtual memory support?
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Is the MMU (Memory Management Unit) chip necessary for a processor to have virtual memory support?
Is it possible to emulate MMU functionality in software? (I am aware that it will probably have a big impact on performance).
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Is the MMU (Memory Management Unit) chip necessary for a processor to have virtual memory support?
Is it possible to emulate MMU functionality in software? (I am aware that it will probably have a big impact on performance).
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Any fully capable computer can emulate any other computer with enough of a performance hit. Or emulate any hardware. The only question is the magnitude of performance hit.
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Is the MMU (Memory Management Unit) chip necessary for a processor to have virtual memory support?
Is it possible to emulate MMU functionality in software? (I am aware that it will probably have a big impact on performance).
memory hardware virtual-memory hardware-compatibility emulation
Is the MMU (Memory Management Unit) chip necessary for a processor to have virtual memory support?
Is it possible to emulate MMU functionality in software? (I am aware that it will probably have a big impact on performance).
memory hardware virtual-memory hardware-compatibility emulation
memory hardware virtual-memory hardware-compatibility emulation
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Any fully capable computer can emulate any other computer with enough of a performance hit. Or emulate any hardware. The only question is the magnitude of performance hit.
â Vality
Oct 2 '17 at 23:35
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Any fully capable computer can emulate any other computer with enough of a performance hit. Or emulate any hardware. The only question is the magnitude of performance hit.
â Vality
Oct 2 '17 at 23:35
Any fully capable computer can emulate any other computer with enough of a performance hit. Or emulate any hardware. The only question is the magnitude of performance hit.
â Vality
Oct 2 '17 at 23:35
Any fully capable computer can emulate any other computer with enough of a performance hit. Or emulate any hardware. The only question is the magnitude of performance hit.
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Any system emulator which emulates a system containing a MMU effectively emulates a MMU in software, so the answer to your question as stated is âÂÂyesâÂÂ. However, virtual memory requires some way of enforcing memory access control, or at least address translation, so it needs either full software emulation of the CPU running the software being controlled, or it needs hardware assistance.
So you could conceivably build a system with no MMU, port QEMU to it, add the missing pieces to make virtual memory actually useful (e.g., add support for swap on the host system), and run a MMU-requiring operating system in QEMU, with all the protection youâÂÂd expect in the guest operating system (barring QEMU bugs).
One real, and old, example of an MMU-less âÂÂemulationâ used to provide virtual memory is the Z-machine, which was capable of paging and swapping its code and data, on 8-bit systems in the late seventies and early eighties. This worked by emulating a virtual processor on the underlying real processor; that way, the interpreter keeps full control over the memory layout which the running program âÂÂseesâÂÂ.
In practice, itâÂÂs generally considered that a MMU is required for virtual memory support, at least at the operating system level. As indicated MMU-less kernel?, it is possible to build the Linux kernel so that it can run on systems without a MMU, but the resulting configuration is very unusual and only appropriate for very specific use-cases (with no hostile software in particular). It might not support many scenarios requiring virtual memory (swapping, mmap
...).
so virtual machine applications also have an MMU emulator component?
â yoyo_fun
Oct 2 '17 at 12:55
Yes â not necessarily as a separate component, but they do have the necessary support in the emulation.
â Stephen Kitt
Oct 2 '17 at 13:22
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@JenniferAnderson: Some modern CPUs have features that let the emulator (partially) offload the MMU emulation to the MMU itself. E.g. a program running inside an emulator will itself use multiple emulated pages of memory, these pages of memory are of course "nested" in the pages of memory used by the emulator. Both newer high-end Intel and AMD CPUs have support for nested page tables, which allow the emulator to express this nesting within the MMU itself, instead of having to (expensively) emulate it.
â Jörg W Mittag
Oct 2 '17 at 13:41
@Jörg indeed, thanks for the clarification. Most hypervisors still include some level of software emulation though so that they will work without the extra hardware support. I was blinkered by the âÂÂIs it possibleâ aspect of the question ;-).
â Stephen Kitt
Oct 2 '17 at 13:46
3
@JenniferAnderson: Yes, this functionality was specifically introduced for para-virtualization. (Note that it is nothing new, hardware-assisted para-virtualization has existed in the mainframe world since the early 1960s.) It turns out however, that it can also be used for other interesting applications, such as speeding up Garbage Collection (see the C4 collector in Azul's Zing JVM for an example). However, note, that all of this works in both directions: in the same way that extending MMUs with virtualization support is nothing more than a performance optimization, and virtualization â¦
â Jörg W Mittag
Oct 2 '17 at 13:50
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It depends on exactly what you call virtual memory. An interesting model is the old Win16 model (best known from the old Windows 3.x, not Windows NT). In that model, you had GlobalLock
and GlobalUnlock
, LocalLock
and LocalUnlock
functions. These were a form of cooperative, manual management of virtual memory. As this was done in (application) software, it didn't require an MMU. And memory was virtual in the sense that unlocked memory could be swapped to disk.
However, in the Win16 model there is no protection between different processes. If another process left data in memory, you could overwrite it. This is not a fundamental restriction. With fast SSD's these days, you could remove a non-running process from memory entirely, and do so in a reasonable time.
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It's not necessary to have a hardware MMU, if you have software that can swap processes to and from the physical memory.
This was the mode of operation of early multi-tasking operating systems. Only one process is resident in memory at any given time, it is swapped out in its entirety when its time-slice expires (you can see that this becomes problematic with large processes). The memory contents seen by the currently-running process is not the same as that seen by any other process, and each has its own view of the address space.
Some hardware support is helpful - a notion of a "protected" memory area for the OS's own use (e.g. all addresses with MSB set are accessible only in supervisor mode) and a "break" value indicating the highest address in use, but memory management hardware is not a absolute requirement for virtual memory; it's just a particularly effective way to achieve it.
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ThatâÂÂs not really virtual memory though, itâÂÂs just process swapping... (WeâÂÂd really need to define âÂÂvirtual memoryâ for a proper answer to this question!)
â Stephen Kitt
Oct 2 '17 at 15:33
Each process has its own view of the address space - I'll edit to clarify the definition I'm using.
â Toby Speight
Oct 2 '17 at 15:35
Right, but itâÂÂs the same one-to-one mapping for all processes. (From the point of view of processes thereâÂÂs not much difference so thereâÂÂs no real argument there...)
â Stephen Kitt
Oct 2 '17 at 15:36
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Any system emulator which emulates a system containing a MMU effectively emulates a MMU in software, so the answer to your question as stated is âÂÂyesâÂÂ. However, virtual memory requires some way of enforcing memory access control, or at least address translation, so it needs either full software emulation of the CPU running the software being controlled, or it needs hardware assistance.
So you could conceivably build a system with no MMU, port QEMU to it, add the missing pieces to make virtual memory actually useful (e.g., add support for swap on the host system), and run a MMU-requiring operating system in QEMU, with all the protection youâÂÂd expect in the guest operating system (barring QEMU bugs).
One real, and old, example of an MMU-less âÂÂemulationâ used to provide virtual memory is the Z-machine, which was capable of paging and swapping its code and data, on 8-bit systems in the late seventies and early eighties. This worked by emulating a virtual processor on the underlying real processor; that way, the interpreter keeps full control over the memory layout which the running program âÂÂseesâÂÂ.
In practice, itâÂÂs generally considered that a MMU is required for virtual memory support, at least at the operating system level. As indicated MMU-less kernel?, it is possible to build the Linux kernel so that it can run on systems without a MMU, but the resulting configuration is very unusual and only appropriate for very specific use-cases (with no hostile software in particular). It might not support many scenarios requiring virtual memory (swapping, mmap
...).
so virtual machine applications also have an MMU emulator component?
â yoyo_fun
Oct 2 '17 at 12:55
Yes â not necessarily as a separate component, but they do have the necessary support in the emulation.
â Stephen Kitt
Oct 2 '17 at 13:22
7
@JenniferAnderson: Some modern CPUs have features that let the emulator (partially) offload the MMU emulation to the MMU itself. E.g. a program running inside an emulator will itself use multiple emulated pages of memory, these pages of memory are of course "nested" in the pages of memory used by the emulator. Both newer high-end Intel and AMD CPUs have support for nested page tables, which allow the emulator to express this nesting within the MMU itself, instead of having to (expensively) emulate it.
â Jörg W Mittag
Oct 2 '17 at 13:41
@Jörg indeed, thanks for the clarification. Most hypervisors still include some level of software emulation though so that they will work without the extra hardware support. I was blinkered by the âÂÂIs it possibleâ aspect of the question ;-).
â Stephen Kitt
Oct 2 '17 at 13:46
3
@JenniferAnderson: Yes, this functionality was specifically introduced for para-virtualization. (Note that it is nothing new, hardware-assisted para-virtualization has existed in the mainframe world since the early 1960s.) It turns out however, that it can also be used for other interesting applications, such as speeding up Garbage Collection (see the C4 collector in Azul's Zing JVM for an example). However, note, that all of this works in both directions: in the same way that extending MMUs with virtualization support is nothing more than a performance optimization, and virtualization â¦
â Jörg W Mittag
Oct 2 '17 at 13:50
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Any system emulator which emulates a system containing a MMU effectively emulates a MMU in software, so the answer to your question as stated is âÂÂyesâÂÂ. However, virtual memory requires some way of enforcing memory access control, or at least address translation, so it needs either full software emulation of the CPU running the software being controlled, or it needs hardware assistance.
So you could conceivably build a system with no MMU, port QEMU to it, add the missing pieces to make virtual memory actually useful (e.g., add support for swap on the host system), and run a MMU-requiring operating system in QEMU, with all the protection youâÂÂd expect in the guest operating system (barring QEMU bugs).
One real, and old, example of an MMU-less âÂÂemulationâ used to provide virtual memory is the Z-machine, which was capable of paging and swapping its code and data, on 8-bit systems in the late seventies and early eighties. This worked by emulating a virtual processor on the underlying real processor; that way, the interpreter keeps full control over the memory layout which the running program âÂÂseesâÂÂ.
In practice, itâÂÂs generally considered that a MMU is required for virtual memory support, at least at the operating system level. As indicated MMU-less kernel?, it is possible to build the Linux kernel so that it can run on systems without a MMU, but the resulting configuration is very unusual and only appropriate for very specific use-cases (with no hostile software in particular). It might not support many scenarios requiring virtual memory (swapping, mmap
...).
so virtual machine applications also have an MMU emulator component?
â yoyo_fun
Oct 2 '17 at 12:55
Yes â not necessarily as a separate component, but they do have the necessary support in the emulation.
â Stephen Kitt
Oct 2 '17 at 13:22
7
@JenniferAnderson: Some modern CPUs have features that let the emulator (partially) offload the MMU emulation to the MMU itself. E.g. a program running inside an emulator will itself use multiple emulated pages of memory, these pages of memory are of course "nested" in the pages of memory used by the emulator. Both newer high-end Intel and AMD CPUs have support for nested page tables, which allow the emulator to express this nesting within the MMU itself, instead of having to (expensively) emulate it.
â Jörg W Mittag
Oct 2 '17 at 13:41
@Jörg indeed, thanks for the clarification. Most hypervisors still include some level of software emulation though so that they will work without the extra hardware support. I was blinkered by the âÂÂIs it possibleâ aspect of the question ;-).
â Stephen Kitt
Oct 2 '17 at 13:46
3
@JenniferAnderson: Yes, this functionality was specifically introduced for para-virtualization. (Note that it is nothing new, hardware-assisted para-virtualization has existed in the mainframe world since the early 1960s.) It turns out however, that it can also be used for other interesting applications, such as speeding up Garbage Collection (see the C4 collector in Azul's Zing JVM for an example). However, note, that all of this works in both directions: in the same way that extending MMUs with virtualization support is nothing more than a performance optimization, and virtualization â¦
â Jörg W Mittag
Oct 2 '17 at 13:50
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Any system emulator which emulates a system containing a MMU effectively emulates a MMU in software, so the answer to your question as stated is âÂÂyesâÂÂ. However, virtual memory requires some way of enforcing memory access control, or at least address translation, so it needs either full software emulation of the CPU running the software being controlled, or it needs hardware assistance.
So you could conceivably build a system with no MMU, port QEMU to it, add the missing pieces to make virtual memory actually useful (e.g., add support for swap on the host system), and run a MMU-requiring operating system in QEMU, with all the protection youâÂÂd expect in the guest operating system (barring QEMU bugs).
One real, and old, example of an MMU-less âÂÂemulationâ used to provide virtual memory is the Z-machine, which was capable of paging and swapping its code and data, on 8-bit systems in the late seventies and early eighties. This worked by emulating a virtual processor on the underlying real processor; that way, the interpreter keeps full control over the memory layout which the running program âÂÂseesâÂÂ.
In practice, itâÂÂs generally considered that a MMU is required for virtual memory support, at least at the operating system level. As indicated MMU-less kernel?, it is possible to build the Linux kernel so that it can run on systems without a MMU, but the resulting configuration is very unusual and only appropriate for very specific use-cases (with no hostile software in particular). It might not support many scenarios requiring virtual memory (swapping, mmap
...).
Any system emulator which emulates a system containing a MMU effectively emulates a MMU in software, so the answer to your question as stated is âÂÂyesâÂÂ. However, virtual memory requires some way of enforcing memory access control, or at least address translation, so it needs either full software emulation of the CPU running the software being controlled, or it needs hardware assistance.
So you could conceivably build a system with no MMU, port QEMU to it, add the missing pieces to make virtual memory actually useful (e.g., add support for swap on the host system), and run a MMU-requiring operating system in QEMU, with all the protection youâÂÂd expect in the guest operating system (barring QEMU bugs).
One real, and old, example of an MMU-less âÂÂemulationâ used to provide virtual memory is the Z-machine, which was capable of paging and swapping its code and data, on 8-bit systems in the late seventies and early eighties. This worked by emulating a virtual processor on the underlying real processor; that way, the interpreter keeps full control over the memory layout which the running program âÂÂseesâÂÂ.
In practice, itâÂÂs generally considered that a MMU is required for virtual memory support, at least at the operating system level. As indicated MMU-less kernel?, it is possible to build the Linux kernel so that it can run on systems without a MMU, but the resulting configuration is very unusual and only appropriate for very specific use-cases (with no hostile software in particular). It might not support many scenarios requiring virtual memory (swapping, mmap
...).
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answered Oct 2 '17 at 9:13
Stephen Kitt
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so virtual machine applications also have an MMU emulator component?
â yoyo_fun
Oct 2 '17 at 12:55
Yes â not necessarily as a separate component, but they do have the necessary support in the emulation.
â Stephen Kitt
Oct 2 '17 at 13:22
7
@JenniferAnderson: Some modern CPUs have features that let the emulator (partially) offload the MMU emulation to the MMU itself. E.g. a program running inside an emulator will itself use multiple emulated pages of memory, these pages of memory are of course "nested" in the pages of memory used by the emulator. Both newer high-end Intel and AMD CPUs have support for nested page tables, which allow the emulator to express this nesting within the MMU itself, instead of having to (expensively) emulate it.
â Jörg W Mittag
Oct 2 '17 at 13:41
@Jörg indeed, thanks for the clarification. Most hypervisors still include some level of software emulation though so that they will work without the extra hardware support. I was blinkered by the âÂÂIs it possibleâ aspect of the question ;-).
â Stephen Kitt
Oct 2 '17 at 13:46
3
@JenniferAnderson: Yes, this functionality was specifically introduced for para-virtualization. (Note that it is nothing new, hardware-assisted para-virtualization has existed in the mainframe world since the early 1960s.) It turns out however, that it can also be used for other interesting applications, such as speeding up Garbage Collection (see the C4 collector in Azul's Zing JVM for an example). However, note, that all of this works in both directions: in the same way that extending MMUs with virtualization support is nothing more than a performance optimization, and virtualization â¦
â Jörg W Mittag
Oct 2 '17 at 13:50
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so virtual machine applications also have an MMU emulator component?
â yoyo_fun
Oct 2 '17 at 12:55
Yes â not necessarily as a separate component, but they do have the necessary support in the emulation.
â Stephen Kitt
Oct 2 '17 at 13:22
7
@JenniferAnderson: Some modern CPUs have features that let the emulator (partially) offload the MMU emulation to the MMU itself. E.g. a program running inside an emulator will itself use multiple emulated pages of memory, these pages of memory are of course "nested" in the pages of memory used by the emulator. Both newer high-end Intel and AMD CPUs have support for nested page tables, which allow the emulator to express this nesting within the MMU itself, instead of having to (expensively) emulate it.
â Jörg W Mittag
Oct 2 '17 at 13:41
@Jörg indeed, thanks for the clarification. Most hypervisors still include some level of software emulation though so that they will work without the extra hardware support. I was blinkered by the âÂÂIs it possibleâ aspect of the question ;-).
â Stephen Kitt
Oct 2 '17 at 13:46
3
@JenniferAnderson: Yes, this functionality was specifically introduced for para-virtualization. (Note that it is nothing new, hardware-assisted para-virtualization has existed in the mainframe world since the early 1960s.) It turns out however, that it can also be used for other interesting applications, such as speeding up Garbage Collection (see the C4 collector in Azul's Zing JVM for an example). However, note, that all of this works in both directions: in the same way that extending MMUs with virtualization support is nothing more than a performance optimization, and virtualization â¦
â Jörg W Mittag
Oct 2 '17 at 13:50
so virtual machine applications also have an MMU emulator component?
â yoyo_fun
Oct 2 '17 at 12:55
so virtual machine applications also have an MMU emulator component?
â yoyo_fun
Oct 2 '17 at 12:55
Yes â not necessarily as a separate component, but they do have the necessary support in the emulation.
â Stephen Kitt
Oct 2 '17 at 13:22
Yes â not necessarily as a separate component, but they do have the necessary support in the emulation.
â Stephen Kitt
Oct 2 '17 at 13:22
7
7
@JenniferAnderson: Some modern CPUs have features that let the emulator (partially) offload the MMU emulation to the MMU itself. E.g. a program running inside an emulator will itself use multiple emulated pages of memory, these pages of memory are of course "nested" in the pages of memory used by the emulator. Both newer high-end Intel and AMD CPUs have support for nested page tables, which allow the emulator to express this nesting within the MMU itself, instead of having to (expensively) emulate it.
â Jörg W Mittag
Oct 2 '17 at 13:41
@JenniferAnderson: Some modern CPUs have features that let the emulator (partially) offload the MMU emulation to the MMU itself. E.g. a program running inside an emulator will itself use multiple emulated pages of memory, these pages of memory are of course "nested" in the pages of memory used by the emulator. Both newer high-end Intel and AMD CPUs have support for nested page tables, which allow the emulator to express this nesting within the MMU itself, instead of having to (expensively) emulate it.
â Jörg W Mittag
Oct 2 '17 at 13:41
@Jörg indeed, thanks for the clarification. Most hypervisors still include some level of software emulation though so that they will work without the extra hardware support. I was blinkered by the âÂÂIs it possibleâ aspect of the question ;-).
â Stephen Kitt
Oct 2 '17 at 13:46
@Jörg indeed, thanks for the clarification. Most hypervisors still include some level of software emulation though so that they will work without the extra hardware support. I was blinkered by the âÂÂIs it possibleâ aspect of the question ;-).
â Stephen Kitt
Oct 2 '17 at 13:46
3
3
@JenniferAnderson: Yes, this functionality was specifically introduced for para-virtualization. (Note that it is nothing new, hardware-assisted para-virtualization has existed in the mainframe world since the early 1960s.) It turns out however, that it can also be used for other interesting applications, such as speeding up Garbage Collection (see the C4 collector in Azul's Zing JVM for an example). However, note, that all of this works in both directions: in the same way that extending MMUs with virtualization support is nothing more than a performance optimization, and virtualization â¦
â Jörg W Mittag
Oct 2 '17 at 13:50
@JenniferAnderson: Yes, this functionality was specifically introduced for para-virtualization. (Note that it is nothing new, hardware-assisted para-virtualization has existed in the mainframe world since the early 1960s.) It turns out however, that it can also be used for other interesting applications, such as speeding up Garbage Collection (see the C4 collector in Azul's Zing JVM for an example). However, note, that all of this works in both directions: in the same way that extending MMUs with virtualization support is nothing more than a performance optimization, and virtualization â¦
â Jörg W Mittag
Oct 2 '17 at 13:50
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It depends on exactly what you call virtual memory. An interesting model is the old Win16 model (best known from the old Windows 3.x, not Windows NT). In that model, you had GlobalLock
and GlobalUnlock
, LocalLock
and LocalUnlock
functions. These were a form of cooperative, manual management of virtual memory. As this was done in (application) software, it didn't require an MMU. And memory was virtual in the sense that unlocked memory could be swapped to disk.
However, in the Win16 model there is no protection between different processes. If another process left data in memory, you could overwrite it. This is not a fundamental restriction. With fast SSD's these days, you could remove a non-running process from memory entirely, and do so in a reasonable time.
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It depends on exactly what you call virtual memory. An interesting model is the old Win16 model (best known from the old Windows 3.x, not Windows NT). In that model, you had GlobalLock
and GlobalUnlock
, LocalLock
and LocalUnlock
functions. These were a form of cooperative, manual management of virtual memory. As this was done in (application) software, it didn't require an MMU. And memory was virtual in the sense that unlocked memory could be swapped to disk.
However, in the Win16 model there is no protection between different processes. If another process left data in memory, you could overwrite it. This is not a fundamental restriction. With fast SSD's these days, you could remove a non-running process from memory entirely, and do so in a reasonable time.
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It depends on exactly what you call virtual memory. An interesting model is the old Win16 model (best known from the old Windows 3.x, not Windows NT). In that model, you had GlobalLock
and GlobalUnlock
, LocalLock
and LocalUnlock
functions. These were a form of cooperative, manual management of virtual memory. As this was done in (application) software, it didn't require an MMU. And memory was virtual in the sense that unlocked memory could be swapped to disk.
However, in the Win16 model there is no protection between different processes. If another process left data in memory, you could overwrite it. This is not a fundamental restriction. With fast SSD's these days, you could remove a non-running process from memory entirely, and do so in a reasonable time.
It depends on exactly what you call virtual memory. An interesting model is the old Win16 model (best known from the old Windows 3.x, not Windows NT). In that model, you had GlobalLock
and GlobalUnlock
, LocalLock
and LocalUnlock
functions. These were a form of cooperative, manual management of virtual memory. As this was done in (application) software, it didn't require an MMU. And memory was virtual in the sense that unlocked memory could be swapped to disk.
However, in the Win16 model there is no protection between different processes. If another process left data in memory, you could overwrite it. This is not a fundamental restriction. With fast SSD's these days, you could remove a non-running process from memory entirely, and do so in a reasonable time.
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It's not necessary to have a hardware MMU, if you have software that can swap processes to and from the physical memory.
This was the mode of operation of early multi-tasking operating systems. Only one process is resident in memory at any given time, it is swapped out in its entirety when its time-slice expires (you can see that this becomes problematic with large processes). The memory contents seen by the currently-running process is not the same as that seen by any other process, and each has its own view of the address space.
Some hardware support is helpful - a notion of a "protected" memory area for the OS's own use (e.g. all addresses with MSB set are accessible only in supervisor mode) and a "break" value indicating the highest address in use, but memory management hardware is not a absolute requirement for virtual memory; it's just a particularly effective way to achieve it.
2
ThatâÂÂs not really virtual memory though, itâÂÂs just process swapping... (WeâÂÂd really need to define âÂÂvirtual memoryâ for a proper answer to this question!)
â Stephen Kitt
Oct 2 '17 at 15:33
Each process has its own view of the address space - I'll edit to clarify the definition I'm using.
â Toby Speight
Oct 2 '17 at 15:35
Right, but itâÂÂs the same one-to-one mapping for all processes. (From the point of view of processes thereâÂÂs not much difference so thereâÂÂs no real argument there...)
â Stephen Kitt
Oct 2 '17 at 15:36
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It's not necessary to have a hardware MMU, if you have software that can swap processes to and from the physical memory.
This was the mode of operation of early multi-tasking operating systems. Only one process is resident in memory at any given time, it is swapped out in its entirety when its time-slice expires (you can see that this becomes problematic with large processes). The memory contents seen by the currently-running process is not the same as that seen by any other process, and each has its own view of the address space.
Some hardware support is helpful - a notion of a "protected" memory area for the OS's own use (e.g. all addresses with MSB set are accessible only in supervisor mode) and a "break" value indicating the highest address in use, but memory management hardware is not a absolute requirement for virtual memory; it's just a particularly effective way to achieve it.
2
ThatâÂÂs not really virtual memory though, itâÂÂs just process swapping... (WeâÂÂd really need to define âÂÂvirtual memoryâ for a proper answer to this question!)
â Stephen Kitt
Oct 2 '17 at 15:33
Each process has its own view of the address space - I'll edit to clarify the definition I'm using.
â Toby Speight
Oct 2 '17 at 15:35
Right, but itâÂÂs the same one-to-one mapping for all processes. (From the point of view of processes thereâÂÂs not much difference so thereâÂÂs no real argument there...)
â Stephen Kitt
Oct 2 '17 at 15:36
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It's not necessary to have a hardware MMU, if you have software that can swap processes to and from the physical memory.
This was the mode of operation of early multi-tasking operating systems. Only one process is resident in memory at any given time, it is swapped out in its entirety when its time-slice expires (you can see that this becomes problematic with large processes). The memory contents seen by the currently-running process is not the same as that seen by any other process, and each has its own view of the address space.
Some hardware support is helpful - a notion of a "protected" memory area for the OS's own use (e.g. all addresses with MSB set are accessible only in supervisor mode) and a "break" value indicating the highest address in use, but memory management hardware is not a absolute requirement for virtual memory; it's just a particularly effective way to achieve it.
It's not necessary to have a hardware MMU, if you have software that can swap processes to and from the physical memory.
This was the mode of operation of early multi-tasking operating systems. Only one process is resident in memory at any given time, it is swapped out in its entirety when its time-slice expires (you can see that this becomes problematic with large processes). The memory contents seen by the currently-running process is not the same as that seen by any other process, and each has its own view of the address space.
Some hardware support is helpful - a notion of a "protected" memory area for the OS's own use (e.g. all addresses with MSB set are accessible only in supervisor mode) and a "break" value indicating the highest address in use, but memory management hardware is not a absolute requirement for virtual memory; it's just a particularly effective way to achieve it.
edited Oct 2 '17 at 15:36
answered Oct 2 '17 at 15:23
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ThatâÂÂs not really virtual memory though, itâÂÂs just process swapping... (WeâÂÂd really need to define âÂÂvirtual memoryâ for a proper answer to this question!)
â Stephen Kitt
Oct 2 '17 at 15:33
Each process has its own view of the address space - I'll edit to clarify the definition I'm using.
â Toby Speight
Oct 2 '17 at 15:35
Right, but itâÂÂs the same one-to-one mapping for all processes. (From the point of view of processes thereâÂÂs not much difference so thereâÂÂs no real argument there...)
â Stephen Kitt
Oct 2 '17 at 15:36
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2
ThatâÂÂs not really virtual memory though, itâÂÂs just process swapping... (WeâÂÂd really need to define âÂÂvirtual memoryâ for a proper answer to this question!)
â Stephen Kitt
Oct 2 '17 at 15:33
Each process has its own view of the address space - I'll edit to clarify the definition I'm using.
â Toby Speight
Oct 2 '17 at 15:35
Right, but itâÂÂs the same one-to-one mapping for all processes. (From the point of view of processes thereâÂÂs not much difference so thereâÂÂs no real argument there...)
â Stephen Kitt
Oct 2 '17 at 15:36
2
2
ThatâÂÂs not really virtual memory though, itâÂÂs just process swapping... (WeâÂÂd really need to define âÂÂvirtual memoryâ for a proper answer to this question!)
â Stephen Kitt
Oct 2 '17 at 15:33
ThatâÂÂs not really virtual memory though, itâÂÂs just process swapping... (WeâÂÂd really need to define âÂÂvirtual memoryâ for a proper answer to this question!)
â Stephen Kitt
Oct 2 '17 at 15:33
Each process has its own view of the address space - I'll edit to clarify the definition I'm using.
â Toby Speight
Oct 2 '17 at 15:35
Each process has its own view of the address space - I'll edit to clarify the definition I'm using.
â Toby Speight
Oct 2 '17 at 15:35
Right, but itâÂÂs the same one-to-one mapping for all processes. (From the point of view of processes thereâÂÂs not much difference so thereâÂÂs no real argument there...)
â Stephen Kitt
Oct 2 '17 at 15:36
Right, but itâÂÂs the same one-to-one mapping for all processes. (From the point of view of processes thereâÂÂs not much difference so thereâÂÂs no real argument there...)
â Stephen Kitt
Oct 2 '17 at 15:36
add a comment |Â
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