Meaning of 折らで in a haiku

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From Basho:




蓮池や折らでそのまま玉祭




I have the impression that 折らで would be 折らないで without ない. If that's the case is it an artistic choice or some obscure grammar?










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    From Basho:




    蓮池や折らでそのまま玉祭




    I have the impression that 折らで would be 折らないで without ない. If that's the case is it an artistic choice or some obscure grammar?










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      From Basho:




      蓮池や折らでそのまま玉祭




      I have the impression that 折らで would be 折らないで without ない. If that's the case is it an artistic choice or some obscure grammar?










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      From Basho:




      蓮池や折らでそのまま玉祭




      I have the impression that 折らで would be 折らないで without ない. If that's the case is it an artistic choice or some obscure grammar?







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          In classical Japanese, で after an irrealis-form (未然形) means ないで in modern Japanese. So 折らで means 折らないで or "without snapping off".






          接続助詞



          《接続》活用語の未然形に付く。〔打消の接続〕…ないで。…ずに。




          This で is surviving as part of ならでは (etymologically, copula-なり + で + contrastive-は → "unless so", "if it were not" → "unique to", "found only in")






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            Thanks! But could you elaborate that part about ならでは?

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          • @naruto What resource is your definition from?

            – sazarando
            Feb 21 at 0:02






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            @AlbertoAndrade ならでは is a grammar pattern; see the link and the edit.

            – naruto
            Feb 21 at 2:30






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            @sazarando From 学研全訳古語辞典.

            – naruto
            Feb 21 at 2:32










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          In classical Japanese, で after an irrealis-form (未然形) means ないで in modern Japanese. So 折らで means 折らないで or "without snapping off".






          接続助詞



          《接続》活用語の未然形に付く。〔打消の接続〕…ないで。…ずに。




          This で is surviving as part of ならでは (etymologically, copula-なり + で + contrastive-は → "unless so", "if it were not" → "unique to", "found only in")






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            Thanks! But could you elaborate that part about ならでは?

            – Alberto Andrade
            Feb 20 at 18:27











          • @naruto What resource is your definition from?

            – sazarando
            Feb 21 at 0:02






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            @AlbertoAndrade ならでは is a grammar pattern; see the link and the edit.

            – naruto
            Feb 21 at 2:30






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            @sazarando From 学研全訳古語辞典.

            – naruto
            Feb 21 at 2:32















          4














          In classical Japanese, で after an irrealis-form (未然形) means ないで in modern Japanese. So 折らで means 折らないで or "without snapping off".






          接続助詞



          《接続》活用語の未然形に付く。〔打消の接続〕…ないで。…ずに。




          This で is surviving as part of ならでは (etymologically, copula-なり + で + contrastive-は → "unless so", "if it were not" → "unique to", "found only in")






          share|improve this answer




















          • 2





            Thanks! But could you elaborate that part about ならでは?

            – Alberto Andrade
            Feb 20 at 18:27











          • @naruto What resource is your definition from?

            – sazarando
            Feb 21 at 0:02






          • 1





            @AlbertoAndrade ならでは is a grammar pattern; see the link and the edit.

            – naruto
            Feb 21 at 2:30






          • 1





            @sazarando From 学研全訳古語辞典.

            – naruto
            Feb 21 at 2:32













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          In classical Japanese, で after an irrealis-form (未然形) means ないで in modern Japanese. So 折らで means 折らないで or "without snapping off".






          接続助詞



          《接続》活用語の未然形に付く。〔打消の接続〕…ないで。…ずに。




          This で is surviving as part of ならでは (etymologically, copula-なり + で + contrastive-は → "unless so", "if it were not" → "unique to", "found only in")






          share|improve this answer















          In classical Japanese, で after an irrealis-form (未然形) means ないで in modern Japanese. So 折らで means 折らないで or "without snapping off".






          接続助詞



          《接続》活用語の未然形に付く。〔打消の接続〕…ないで。…ずに。




          This で is surviving as part of ならでは (etymologically, copula-なり + で + contrastive-は → "unless so", "if it were not" → "unique to", "found only in")







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          • 2





            Thanks! But could you elaborate that part about ならでは?

            – Alberto Andrade
            Feb 20 at 18:27











          • @naruto What resource is your definition from?

            – sazarando
            Feb 21 at 0:02






          • 1





            @AlbertoAndrade ならでは is a grammar pattern; see the link and the edit.

            – naruto
            Feb 21 at 2:30






          • 1





            @sazarando From 学研全訳古語辞典.

            – naruto
            Feb 21 at 2:32












          • 2





            Thanks! But could you elaborate that part about ならでは?

            – Alberto Andrade
            Feb 20 at 18:27











          • @naruto What resource is your definition from?

            – sazarando
            Feb 21 at 0:02






          • 1





            @AlbertoAndrade ならでは is a grammar pattern; see the link and the edit.

            – naruto
            Feb 21 at 2:30






          • 1





            @sazarando From 学研全訳古語辞典.

            – naruto
            Feb 21 at 2:32







          2




          2





          Thanks! But could you elaborate that part about ならでは?

          – Alberto Andrade
          Feb 20 at 18:27





          Thanks! But could you elaborate that part about ならでは?

          – Alberto Andrade
          Feb 20 at 18:27













          @naruto What resource is your definition from?

          – sazarando
          Feb 21 at 0:02





          @naruto What resource is your definition from?

          – sazarando
          Feb 21 at 0:02




          1




          1





          @AlbertoAndrade ならでは is a grammar pattern; see the link and the edit.

          – naruto
          Feb 21 at 2:30





          @AlbertoAndrade ならでは is a grammar pattern; see the link and the edit.

          – naruto
          Feb 21 at 2:30




          1




          1





          @sazarando From 学研全訳古語辞典.

          – naruto
          Feb 21 at 2:32





          @sazarando From 学研全訳古語辞典.

          – naruto
          Feb 21 at 2:32

















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