Meaning of 折らで in a haiku
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From Basho:
蓮池や折らでそのまま玉祭
I have the impression that 折らで would be 折らないで without ない. If that's the case is it an artistic choice or some obscure grammar?
grammar classical-japanese literature
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Alberto AndradeAlberto Andrade
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From Basho:
蓮池や折らでそのまま玉祭
I have the impression that 折らで would be 折らないで without ない. If that's the case is it an artistic choice or some obscure grammar?
grammar classical-japanese literature
asked Feb 20 at 17:20
Alberto AndradeAlberto Andrade
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From Basho:
蓮池や折らでそのまま玉祭
I have the impression that 折らで would be 折らないで without ない. If that's the case is it an artistic choice or some obscure grammar?
grammar classical-japanese literature
asked Feb 20 at 17:20
Alberto AndradeAlberto Andrade
534
From Basho:
蓮池や折らでそのまま玉祭
I have the impression that 折らで would be 折らないで without ない. If that's the case is it an artistic choice or some obscure grammar?
grammar classical-japanese literature
grammar classical-japanese literature
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Alberto AndradeAlberto Andrade
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Alberto AndradeAlberto Andrade
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edited Feb 22 at 13:50
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In classical Japanese, で after an irrealis-form (未然形) means ないで in modern Japanese. So 折らで means 折らないで or "without snapping off".
で
接続助詞
《接続》活用語の未然形に付く。〔打消の接続〕…ないで。…ずに。
This で is surviving as part of ならでは (etymologically, copula-なり + で + contrastive-は → "unless so", "if it were not" → "unique to", "found only in")
answered Feb 20 at 18:09
narutonaruto
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Thanks! But could you elaborate that part about ならでは？
– Alberto Andrade
Feb 20 at 18:27
@naruto What resource is your definition from?
– sazarando
Feb 21 at 0:02
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@AlbertoAndrade ならでは is a grammar pattern; see the link and the edit.
– naruto
Feb 21 at 2:30
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@sazarando From 学研全訳古語辞典.
– naruto
Feb 21 at 2:32
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In classical Japanese, で after an irrealis-form (未然形) means ないで in modern Japanese. So 折らで means 折らないで or "without snapping off".
で
接続助詞
《接続》活用語の未然形に付く。〔打消の接続〕…ないで。…ずに。
This で is surviving as part of ならでは (etymologically, copula-なり + で + contrastive-は → "unless so", "if it were not" → "unique to", "found only in")
answered Feb 20 at 18:09
narutonaruto
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Thanks! But could you elaborate that part about ならでは？
– Alberto Andrade
Feb 20 at 18:27
@naruto What resource is your definition from?
– sazarando
Feb 21 at 0:02
1
@AlbertoAndrade ならでは is a grammar pattern; see the link and the edit.
– naruto
Feb 21 at 2:30
1
@sazarando From 学研全訳古語辞典.
– naruto
Feb 21 at 2:32
add a comment |
In classical Japanese, で after an irrealis-form (未然形) means ないで in modern Japanese. So 折らで means 折らないで or "without snapping off".
で
接続助詞
《接続》活用語の未然形に付く。〔打消の接続〕…ないで。…ずに。
This で is surviving as part of ならでは (etymologically, copula-なり + で + contrastive-は → "unless so", "if it were not" → "unique to", "found only in")
answered Feb 20 at 18:09
narutonaruto
161k8154301
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Thanks! But could you elaborate that part about ならでは？
– Alberto Andrade
Feb 20 at 18:27
@naruto What resource is your definition from?
– sazarando
Feb 21 at 0:02
1
@AlbertoAndrade ならでは is a grammar pattern; see the link and the edit.
– naruto
Feb 21 at 2:30
1
@sazarando From 学研全訳古語辞典.
– naruto
Feb 21 at 2:32
add a comment |
In classical Japanese, で after an irrealis-form (未然形) means ないで in modern Japanese. So 折らで means 折らないで or "without snapping off".
で
接続助詞
《接続》活用語の未然形に付く。〔打消の接続〕…ないで。…ずに。
This で is surviving as part of ならでは (etymologically, copula-なり + で + contrastive-は → "unless so", "if it were not" → "unique to", "found only in")
answered Feb 20 at 18:09
narutonaruto
161k8154301
In classical Japanese, で after an irrealis-form (未然形) means ないで in modern Japanese. So 折らで means 折らないで or "without snapping off".
で
接続助詞
《接続》活用語の未然形に付く。〔打消の接続〕…ないで。…ずに。
This で is surviving as part of ならでは (etymologically, copula-なり + で + contrastive-は → "unless so", "if it were not" → "unique to", "found only in")
answered Feb 20 at 18:09
narutonaruto
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edited Feb 21 at 2:27
answered Feb 20 at 18:09
narutonaruto
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answered Feb 20 at 18:09
narutonaruto
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answered Feb 20 at 18:09
narutonaruto
161k8154301
161k8154301
2
Thanks! But could you elaborate that part about ならでは？
– Alberto Andrade
Feb 20 at 18:27
@naruto What resource is your definition from?
– sazarando
Feb 21 at 0:02
1
@AlbertoAndrade ならでは is a grammar pattern; see the link and the edit.
– naruto
Feb 21 at 2:30
1
@sazarando From 学研全訳古語辞典.
– naruto
Feb 21 at 2:32
add a comment |
2
Thanks! But could you elaborate that part about ならでは？
– Alberto Andrade
Feb 20 at 18:27
@naruto What resource is your definition from?
– sazarando
Feb 21 at 0:02
1
@AlbertoAndrade ならでは is a grammar pattern; see the link and the edit.
– naruto
Feb 21 at 2:30
1
@sazarando From 学研全訳古語辞典.
– naruto
Feb 21 at 2:32
2
2
Thanks! But could you elaborate that part about ならでは？
– Alberto Andrade
Feb 20 at 18:27
Thanks! But could you elaborate that part about ならでは？
– Alberto Andrade
Feb 20 at 18:27
@naruto What resource is your definition from?
– sazarando
Feb 21 at 0:02
@naruto What resource is your definition from?
– sazarando
Feb 21 at 0:02
1
1
@AlbertoAndrade ならでは is a grammar pattern; see the link and the edit.
– naruto
Feb 21 at 2:30
@AlbertoAndrade ならでは is a grammar pattern; see the link and the edit.
– naruto
Feb 21 at 2:30
1
1
@sazarando From 学研全訳古語辞典.
– naruto
Feb 21 at 2:32
@sazarando From 学研全訳古語辞典.
– naruto
Feb 21 at 2:32
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