Can someone explain what a key is?

The name of the pictureThe name of the pictureThe name of the pictureClash Royale CLAN TAG#URR8PPP












7















I feel like I shouldn't be asking this... ugh.



Every explanation I've encountered left me feeling like a key is the same as a scale. I've been using the word "key" to mean the primary scale the song is in or I'll say a song is in a Major key as long as it is in one of the major modes (accounting for borrowed chords).










share|improve this question



















  • 3





    Here is the difference: a key is a tonal neighborhood and a scale is like walking from one of the houses to another one.

    – jjmusicnotes
    Feb 23 at 0:35






  • 1





    It sounds like you understand keys perfectly well, to be honest. It's not you that's confused - rather, it's the concept of keys that's a bit of a mess!

    – topo morto
    Feb 23 at 0:46






  • 2





    Possible duplicate of Understanding the relationship between keys, scales, and chords

    – Todd Wilcox
    Feb 23 at 1:34











  • Possible duplicate of music.stackexchange.com/questions/38939/…

    – Todd Wilcox
    Feb 23 at 1:35






  • 1





    @ToddWilcox I liked the answers from music.stackexchange.com/questions/38939/…

    – Brandon
    Feb 23 at 1:41















7















I feel like I shouldn't be asking this... ugh.



Every explanation I've encountered left me feeling like a key is the same as a scale. I've been using the word "key" to mean the primary scale the song is in or I'll say a song is in a Major key as long as it is in one of the major modes (accounting for borrowed chords).










share|improve this question



















  • 3





    Here is the difference: a key is a tonal neighborhood and a scale is like walking from one of the houses to another one.

    – jjmusicnotes
    Feb 23 at 0:35






  • 1





    It sounds like you understand keys perfectly well, to be honest. It's not you that's confused - rather, it's the concept of keys that's a bit of a mess!

    – topo morto
    Feb 23 at 0:46






  • 2





    Possible duplicate of Understanding the relationship between keys, scales, and chords

    – Todd Wilcox
    Feb 23 at 1:34











  • Possible duplicate of music.stackexchange.com/questions/38939/…

    – Todd Wilcox
    Feb 23 at 1:35






  • 1





    @ToddWilcox I liked the answers from music.stackexchange.com/questions/38939/…

    – Brandon
    Feb 23 at 1:41













7












7








7


1






I feel like I shouldn't be asking this... ugh.



Every explanation I've encountered left me feeling like a key is the same as a scale. I've been using the word "key" to mean the primary scale the song is in or I'll say a song is in a Major key as long as it is in one of the major modes (accounting for borrowed chords).










share|improve this question
















I feel like I shouldn't be asking this... ugh.



Every explanation I've encountered left me feeling like a key is the same as a scale. I've been using the word "key" to mean the primary scale the song is in or I'll say a song is in a Major key as long as it is in one of the major modes (accounting for borrowed chords).







scales key modes






share|improve this question















share|improve this question













share|improve this question




share|improve this question








edited Feb 23 at 13:42







Brandon

















asked Feb 22 at 23:26









BrandonBrandon

1396




1396







  • 3





    Here is the difference: a key is a tonal neighborhood and a scale is like walking from one of the houses to another one.

    – jjmusicnotes
    Feb 23 at 0:35






  • 1





    It sounds like you understand keys perfectly well, to be honest. It's not you that's confused - rather, it's the concept of keys that's a bit of a mess!

    – topo morto
    Feb 23 at 0:46






  • 2





    Possible duplicate of Understanding the relationship between keys, scales, and chords

    – Todd Wilcox
    Feb 23 at 1:34











  • Possible duplicate of music.stackexchange.com/questions/38939/…

    – Todd Wilcox
    Feb 23 at 1:35






  • 1





    @ToddWilcox I liked the answers from music.stackexchange.com/questions/38939/…

    – Brandon
    Feb 23 at 1:41












  • 3





    Here is the difference: a key is a tonal neighborhood and a scale is like walking from one of the houses to another one.

    – jjmusicnotes
    Feb 23 at 0:35






  • 1





    It sounds like you understand keys perfectly well, to be honest. It's not you that's confused - rather, it's the concept of keys that's a bit of a mess!

    – topo morto
    Feb 23 at 0:46






  • 2





    Possible duplicate of Understanding the relationship between keys, scales, and chords

    – Todd Wilcox
    Feb 23 at 1:34











  • Possible duplicate of music.stackexchange.com/questions/38939/…

    – Todd Wilcox
    Feb 23 at 1:35






  • 1





    @ToddWilcox I liked the answers from music.stackexchange.com/questions/38939/…

    – Brandon
    Feb 23 at 1:41







3




3





Here is the difference: a key is a tonal neighborhood and a scale is like walking from one of the houses to another one.

– jjmusicnotes
Feb 23 at 0:35





Here is the difference: a key is a tonal neighborhood and a scale is like walking from one of the houses to another one.

– jjmusicnotes
Feb 23 at 0:35




1




1





It sounds like you understand keys perfectly well, to be honest. It's not you that's confused - rather, it's the concept of keys that's a bit of a mess!

– topo morto
Feb 23 at 0:46





It sounds like you understand keys perfectly well, to be honest. It's not you that's confused - rather, it's the concept of keys that's a bit of a mess!

– topo morto
Feb 23 at 0:46




2




2





Possible duplicate of Understanding the relationship between keys, scales, and chords

– Todd Wilcox
Feb 23 at 1:34





Possible duplicate of Understanding the relationship between keys, scales, and chords

– Todd Wilcox
Feb 23 at 1:34













Possible duplicate of music.stackexchange.com/questions/38939/…

– Todd Wilcox
Feb 23 at 1:35





Possible duplicate of music.stackexchange.com/questions/38939/…

– Todd Wilcox
Feb 23 at 1:35




1




1





@ToddWilcox I liked the answers from music.stackexchange.com/questions/38939/…

– Brandon
Feb 23 at 1:41





@ToddWilcox I liked the answers from music.stackexchange.com/questions/38939/…

– Brandon
Feb 23 at 1:41










3 Answers
3






active

oldest

votes


















8














A key and its scale are very related, so it's easy to get confused. A key is defined by two things:



  • The "main" note. You'll hear it called the "center of gravity" or "tonal center" or "home" note. It's the note to which a melody wants to resolve. The proper name for this note is the tonic.


  • The relationship of the tonic to the other notes. There are many such sets of relationships, but two have the distinction of being called keys: major and minor. (For an in-depth explanation of why keys and modes are not the same, see this question/answer.)


Each key has an associated scale and they share the same name. A scale, however, is a specific, ordered collection of notes which begins and ends with the tonic. It's strict and formal. It exhibits the tonic and the other notes in their formal relationships to one another.



If a piece of music has harmony, you can identify the key (assuming there is one) by the harmony as well. In this case, there will be a tonic chord, the chord to which the piece resolves. The tonic chord also shares its name with the key and the associated scale.



When a piece of music is in a particular key, it isn't restricted to the notes of the associated scale. While you can and should expect the notes of the scale to occur more often than those not in the scale, this is an important distinction that may help you understand the difference. Even if a piece of music strays a bit from the notes of the associated scale, it can remain in the same key so long as the piece still resolves to the tonic note/chord.






share|improve this answer

























  • The technical term for the "flavor" is the mode, incidentally. Ionian is the one most commonly referred to as "major" and I hear about equal numbers of things in Aeolian and Aeolian #7 being "minor."

    – fluffy
    Feb 23 at 5:21






  • 1





    @fluffy I get where you’re coming from, but equating major with Ionian or minor with Aeolian leads to trouble. The scales are the same but the idea is different.

    – trw
    Feb 23 at 13:08






  • 1





    Thank you for updating your answer to clarify.

    – fluffy
    Feb 24 at 18:50


















3














A key in the Common Practice Period (about 1500-1900) is more than a scale. There are implied harmonies and differences between notes. Short explanation follows.



A scale is simply a bunch of notes arranged in order by pitch (or frequency.) Over the years (at least from ancient Greek times to today) people have abstracted from musical pieces those pitches which seem important in some way then arranged them in order. Gregorian Chant has several scales (called modes) abstracted from the corpus of chants.



A key is quite a bit more. In a key, some notes are special (also true for modes) and certain chords have special meanings. I'll use the major and minor keys for examples (most other musical organizations aren't generally called keys). A major key ( C-major ) consists of a set of 12 notes, (approximately) evenly spaced. Seen of these are termed "diatonic"; naming them for historical reasons as C, D, E, F, G, A, B (in order of pitch from lowest to highest). These are unevenly spaced in the sense that between E and F and between B and the next C (they are used cyclically) there is no note; between each other pair of notes there is another (named "chromatic") notes; these have two names, but I'll mostly use one name (to make it easy to write without re-editing). C, C#, D, Eb, E, F, F#, G, Ab, A, Bb, B (the b lowers the note above an the # raises the note below.) Each note has a separate musical place to are not really exchangeable. The note C is termed the tonic and G the dominant (historical naming again).



In addition to the notes, combinations of notes played simultaneously are important for key structure. The "tonic chord" is C-E-G; in the key of C-Major, this chord is used to end (almost all) music in the key of C (and it is used to begin a large plurality of such pieces.) I'd also like to note that the causality really goes backwards; pieces that end on a C-Major chord and rhythmically and texturally seem to stop there are called being in C. To really be in the key of C, the chord sequence G-B-D (a G-major chord) followed by a C-major chord is used to end the piece (or to at least mark off sections). Other common patterns like F-A-D (a D-minor chord) followed by a G-major then a C-major chord are common. Pieces in C-major do not end on a d-minor chord for example. One can use chromatic chords without leaving the key of C: D-F#-A followed by G-B-D then C-E-G still sounds like C-major. There are lots more a "French Sixth" (historical naming again) chord has two chromatic notes but if treated properly need not leave the key. F-A-D (D-minor chord in first inversion) followed by Ab-C-D-F# (the French Sixth) then G-C-E-G (cadential tonic 64 which has other names) then G-D-D-F (dominant seventh) ending with C-E-G is common. Two important things should be noted here: names don't mean much, only usage; also the "chromatic" notes also belong to the key. Other keys have the same structure but the base note (or bass note or tonic) id different.



Minor keys are a bit more complex. The diatonic notes are C, D, Eb, F, G, Ab, Bb, however the notes Ab and Bb (scale steps 6 and 7) are mutable; they may occur as A or B without being termed chroatic. The tonic is C-Eb-G (C-minor chord) and the dominant is G-B-D (major chord; mutated step 7). The patterns with Ab-Bb or A-Bb or Ab-B or A-B in either order are common, even in the same phrase.



Some (most) texts write three minor scales called Natural, Melodic, and Harmonic minor scales. There are some common uses (I've posted these elsewhere a few times) but none lead away from the key of C-Minor. Jazz theory treats each of these patterns in special way, a bit differently from the classical theory.



So, scales are ordered collections of notes abstracted from musical practice. Key are large-scale melodic and harmonic structures that tend to be used a lot. It's the music, not the labeling or taxonomy.






share|improve this answer






























    2














    You've got some really good answers so far, but I thought I might give some additional perspective...



    "Key" is kind of a fuzzy thing. It depends partly on the context. You're not wrong in thinking that key is synonymous with scale, because that's one common usage. In my experience, when someone uses the term "key" they might be talking about any of the following:




    1. The key signature. If a piece has four sharps many people will say it's "in the Key of E", even if it's actually in C# minor or F# Dorian.


    2. The tonic being used. "It's in the key of C# minor" tells you the tonic, but it doesn't tell you what scale you're using.


    3. The actual scale being used. "It' in C# Dorian" tells you that the tonal center is C#, but the key signature is probbly B.

    Any of those three are the most common uses. Some uses have a bit of cross-over, as in "Blues in A". That tells you the chords are in A, but the scale is most likely a blues scale - and you'll have lots of naturals on the C, F and G notes.



    Saying a piece is in a key doesn't necessarily tie you to a scale - a Concerto in D probably has a fairly lengthy chunk that has G# notes, because the modulations aren't taken into account when you name the key of a piece. In jazz, which often modulates frequently, you may hear people talk about the "key of the moment" - that refers to the tonal center of a specific set of chords within a piece that's in a different key signature. Giant Steps is in B major, but it has a couple measures in G, then a bit in Eb, then back to B, and so on.



    And you'll sometimes hear singers say "that's my key" when they really mean "if you play it in that key it's comfortable for my range".



    None of those interpretations are wrong, even though what each describes is different. I wouldn't stress to much over an exact definition - just try to get your head around what the other person actually means when they say "key".






    share|improve this answer






















      Your Answer








      StackExchange.ready(function()
      var channelOptions =
      tags: "".split(" "),
      id: "240"
      ;
      initTagRenderer("".split(" "), "".split(" "), channelOptions);

      StackExchange.using("externalEditor", function()
      // Have to fire editor after snippets, if snippets enabled
      if (StackExchange.settings.snippets.snippetsEnabled)
      StackExchange.using("snippets", function()
      createEditor();
      );

      else
      createEditor();

      );

      function createEditor()
      StackExchange.prepareEditor(
      heartbeatType: 'answer',
      autoActivateHeartbeat: false,
      convertImagesToLinks: false,
      noModals: true,
      showLowRepImageUploadWarning: true,
      reputationToPostImages: null,
      bindNavPrevention: true,
      postfix: "",
      imageUploader:
      brandingHtml: "Powered by u003ca class="icon-imgur-white" href="https://imgur.com/"u003eu003c/au003e",
      contentPolicyHtml: "User contributions licensed under u003ca href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/"u003ecc by-sa 3.0 with attribution requiredu003c/au003e u003ca href="https://stackoverflow.com/legal/content-policy"u003e(content policy)u003c/au003e",
      allowUrls: true
      ,
      noCode: true, onDemand: true,
      discardSelector: ".discard-answer"
      ,immediatelyShowMarkdownHelp:true
      );



      );













      draft saved

      draft discarded


















      StackExchange.ready(
      function ()
      StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fmusic.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f80417%2fcan-someone-explain-what-a-key-is%23new-answer', 'question_page');

      );

      Post as a guest















      Required, but never shown

























      3 Answers
      3






      active

      oldest

      votes








      3 Answers
      3






      active

      oldest

      votes









      active

      oldest

      votes






      active

      oldest

      votes









      8














      A key and its scale are very related, so it's easy to get confused. A key is defined by two things:



      • The "main" note. You'll hear it called the "center of gravity" or "tonal center" or "home" note. It's the note to which a melody wants to resolve. The proper name for this note is the tonic.


      • The relationship of the tonic to the other notes. There are many such sets of relationships, but two have the distinction of being called keys: major and minor. (For an in-depth explanation of why keys and modes are not the same, see this question/answer.)


      Each key has an associated scale and they share the same name. A scale, however, is a specific, ordered collection of notes which begins and ends with the tonic. It's strict and formal. It exhibits the tonic and the other notes in their formal relationships to one another.



      If a piece of music has harmony, you can identify the key (assuming there is one) by the harmony as well. In this case, there will be a tonic chord, the chord to which the piece resolves. The tonic chord also shares its name with the key and the associated scale.



      When a piece of music is in a particular key, it isn't restricted to the notes of the associated scale. While you can and should expect the notes of the scale to occur more often than those not in the scale, this is an important distinction that may help you understand the difference. Even if a piece of music strays a bit from the notes of the associated scale, it can remain in the same key so long as the piece still resolves to the tonic note/chord.






      share|improve this answer

























      • The technical term for the "flavor" is the mode, incidentally. Ionian is the one most commonly referred to as "major" and I hear about equal numbers of things in Aeolian and Aeolian #7 being "minor."

        – fluffy
        Feb 23 at 5:21






      • 1





        @fluffy I get where you’re coming from, but equating major with Ionian or minor with Aeolian leads to trouble. The scales are the same but the idea is different.

        – trw
        Feb 23 at 13:08






      • 1





        Thank you for updating your answer to clarify.

        – fluffy
        Feb 24 at 18:50















      8














      A key and its scale are very related, so it's easy to get confused. A key is defined by two things:



      • The "main" note. You'll hear it called the "center of gravity" or "tonal center" or "home" note. It's the note to which a melody wants to resolve. The proper name for this note is the tonic.


      • The relationship of the tonic to the other notes. There are many such sets of relationships, but two have the distinction of being called keys: major and minor. (For an in-depth explanation of why keys and modes are not the same, see this question/answer.)


      Each key has an associated scale and they share the same name. A scale, however, is a specific, ordered collection of notes which begins and ends with the tonic. It's strict and formal. It exhibits the tonic and the other notes in their formal relationships to one another.



      If a piece of music has harmony, you can identify the key (assuming there is one) by the harmony as well. In this case, there will be a tonic chord, the chord to which the piece resolves. The tonic chord also shares its name with the key and the associated scale.



      When a piece of music is in a particular key, it isn't restricted to the notes of the associated scale. While you can and should expect the notes of the scale to occur more often than those not in the scale, this is an important distinction that may help you understand the difference. Even if a piece of music strays a bit from the notes of the associated scale, it can remain in the same key so long as the piece still resolves to the tonic note/chord.






      share|improve this answer

























      • The technical term for the "flavor" is the mode, incidentally. Ionian is the one most commonly referred to as "major" and I hear about equal numbers of things in Aeolian and Aeolian #7 being "minor."

        – fluffy
        Feb 23 at 5:21






      • 1





        @fluffy I get where you’re coming from, but equating major with Ionian or minor with Aeolian leads to trouble. The scales are the same but the idea is different.

        – trw
        Feb 23 at 13:08






      • 1





        Thank you for updating your answer to clarify.

        – fluffy
        Feb 24 at 18:50













      8












      8








      8







      A key and its scale are very related, so it's easy to get confused. A key is defined by two things:



      • The "main" note. You'll hear it called the "center of gravity" or "tonal center" or "home" note. It's the note to which a melody wants to resolve. The proper name for this note is the tonic.


      • The relationship of the tonic to the other notes. There are many such sets of relationships, but two have the distinction of being called keys: major and minor. (For an in-depth explanation of why keys and modes are not the same, see this question/answer.)


      Each key has an associated scale and they share the same name. A scale, however, is a specific, ordered collection of notes which begins and ends with the tonic. It's strict and formal. It exhibits the tonic and the other notes in their formal relationships to one another.



      If a piece of music has harmony, you can identify the key (assuming there is one) by the harmony as well. In this case, there will be a tonic chord, the chord to which the piece resolves. The tonic chord also shares its name with the key and the associated scale.



      When a piece of music is in a particular key, it isn't restricted to the notes of the associated scale. While you can and should expect the notes of the scale to occur more often than those not in the scale, this is an important distinction that may help you understand the difference. Even if a piece of music strays a bit from the notes of the associated scale, it can remain in the same key so long as the piece still resolves to the tonic note/chord.






      share|improve this answer















      A key and its scale are very related, so it's easy to get confused. A key is defined by two things:



      • The "main" note. You'll hear it called the "center of gravity" or "tonal center" or "home" note. It's the note to which a melody wants to resolve. The proper name for this note is the tonic.


      • The relationship of the tonic to the other notes. There are many such sets of relationships, but two have the distinction of being called keys: major and minor. (For an in-depth explanation of why keys and modes are not the same, see this question/answer.)


      Each key has an associated scale and they share the same name. A scale, however, is a specific, ordered collection of notes which begins and ends with the tonic. It's strict and formal. It exhibits the tonic and the other notes in their formal relationships to one another.



      If a piece of music has harmony, you can identify the key (assuming there is one) by the harmony as well. In this case, there will be a tonic chord, the chord to which the piece resolves. The tonic chord also shares its name with the key and the associated scale.



      When a piece of music is in a particular key, it isn't restricted to the notes of the associated scale. While you can and should expect the notes of the scale to occur more often than those not in the scale, this is an important distinction that may help you understand the difference. Even if a piece of music strays a bit from the notes of the associated scale, it can remain in the same key so long as the piece still resolves to the tonic note/chord.







      share|improve this answer














      share|improve this answer



      share|improve this answer








      edited Feb 23 at 13:34

























      answered Feb 23 at 0:19









      trwtrw

      2,7581227




      2,7581227












      • The technical term for the "flavor" is the mode, incidentally. Ionian is the one most commonly referred to as "major" and I hear about equal numbers of things in Aeolian and Aeolian #7 being "minor."

        – fluffy
        Feb 23 at 5:21






      • 1





        @fluffy I get where you’re coming from, but equating major with Ionian or minor with Aeolian leads to trouble. The scales are the same but the idea is different.

        – trw
        Feb 23 at 13:08






      • 1





        Thank you for updating your answer to clarify.

        – fluffy
        Feb 24 at 18:50

















      • The technical term for the "flavor" is the mode, incidentally. Ionian is the one most commonly referred to as "major" and I hear about equal numbers of things in Aeolian and Aeolian #7 being "minor."

        – fluffy
        Feb 23 at 5:21






      • 1





        @fluffy I get where you’re coming from, but equating major with Ionian or minor with Aeolian leads to trouble. The scales are the same but the idea is different.

        – trw
        Feb 23 at 13:08






      • 1





        Thank you for updating your answer to clarify.

        – fluffy
        Feb 24 at 18:50
















      The technical term for the "flavor" is the mode, incidentally. Ionian is the one most commonly referred to as "major" and I hear about equal numbers of things in Aeolian and Aeolian #7 being "minor."

      – fluffy
      Feb 23 at 5:21





      The technical term for the "flavor" is the mode, incidentally. Ionian is the one most commonly referred to as "major" and I hear about equal numbers of things in Aeolian and Aeolian #7 being "minor."

      – fluffy
      Feb 23 at 5:21




      1




      1





      @fluffy I get where you’re coming from, but equating major with Ionian or minor with Aeolian leads to trouble. The scales are the same but the idea is different.

      – trw
      Feb 23 at 13:08





      @fluffy I get where you’re coming from, but equating major with Ionian or minor with Aeolian leads to trouble. The scales are the same but the idea is different.

      – trw
      Feb 23 at 13:08




      1




      1





      Thank you for updating your answer to clarify.

      – fluffy
      Feb 24 at 18:50





      Thank you for updating your answer to clarify.

      – fluffy
      Feb 24 at 18:50











      3














      A key in the Common Practice Period (about 1500-1900) is more than a scale. There are implied harmonies and differences between notes. Short explanation follows.



      A scale is simply a bunch of notes arranged in order by pitch (or frequency.) Over the years (at least from ancient Greek times to today) people have abstracted from musical pieces those pitches which seem important in some way then arranged them in order. Gregorian Chant has several scales (called modes) abstracted from the corpus of chants.



      A key is quite a bit more. In a key, some notes are special (also true for modes) and certain chords have special meanings. I'll use the major and minor keys for examples (most other musical organizations aren't generally called keys). A major key ( C-major ) consists of a set of 12 notes, (approximately) evenly spaced. Seen of these are termed "diatonic"; naming them for historical reasons as C, D, E, F, G, A, B (in order of pitch from lowest to highest). These are unevenly spaced in the sense that between E and F and between B and the next C (they are used cyclically) there is no note; between each other pair of notes there is another (named "chromatic") notes; these have two names, but I'll mostly use one name (to make it easy to write without re-editing). C, C#, D, Eb, E, F, F#, G, Ab, A, Bb, B (the b lowers the note above an the # raises the note below.) Each note has a separate musical place to are not really exchangeable. The note C is termed the tonic and G the dominant (historical naming again).



      In addition to the notes, combinations of notes played simultaneously are important for key structure. The "tonic chord" is C-E-G; in the key of C-Major, this chord is used to end (almost all) music in the key of C (and it is used to begin a large plurality of such pieces.) I'd also like to note that the causality really goes backwards; pieces that end on a C-Major chord and rhythmically and texturally seem to stop there are called being in C. To really be in the key of C, the chord sequence G-B-D (a G-major chord) followed by a C-major chord is used to end the piece (or to at least mark off sections). Other common patterns like F-A-D (a D-minor chord) followed by a G-major then a C-major chord are common. Pieces in C-major do not end on a d-minor chord for example. One can use chromatic chords without leaving the key of C: D-F#-A followed by G-B-D then C-E-G still sounds like C-major. There are lots more a "French Sixth" (historical naming again) chord has two chromatic notes but if treated properly need not leave the key. F-A-D (D-minor chord in first inversion) followed by Ab-C-D-F# (the French Sixth) then G-C-E-G (cadential tonic 64 which has other names) then G-D-D-F (dominant seventh) ending with C-E-G is common. Two important things should be noted here: names don't mean much, only usage; also the "chromatic" notes also belong to the key. Other keys have the same structure but the base note (or bass note or tonic) id different.



      Minor keys are a bit more complex. The diatonic notes are C, D, Eb, F, G, Ab, Bb, however the notes Ab and Bb (scale steps 6 and 7) are mutable; they may occur as A or B without being termed chroatic. The tonic is C-Eb-G (C-minor chord) and the dominant is G-B-D (major chord; mutated step 7). The patterns with Ab-Bb or A-Bb or Ab-B or A-B in either order are common, even in the same phrase.



      Some (most) texts write three minor scales called Natural, Melodic, and Harmonic minor scales. There are some common uses (I've posted these elsewhere a few times) but none lead away from the key of C-Minor. Jazz theory treats each of these patterns in special way, a bit differently from the classical theory.



      So, scales are ordered collections of notes abstracted from musical practice. Key are large-scale melodic and harmonic structures that tend to be used a lot. It's the music, not the labeling or taxonomy.






      share|improve this answer



























        3














        A key in the Common Practice Period (about 1500-1900) is more than a scale. There are implied harmonies and differences between notes. Short explanation follows.



        A scale is simply a bunch of notes arranged in order by pitch (or frequency.) Over the years (at least from ancient Greek times to today) people have abstracted from musical pieces those pitches which seem important in some way then arranged them in order. Gregorian Chant has several scales (called modes) abstracted from the corpus of chants.



        A key is quite a bit more. In a key, some notes are special (also true for modes) and certain chords have special meanings. I'll use the major and minor keys for examples (most other musical organizations aren't generally called keys). A major key ( C-major ) consists of a set of 12 notes, (approximately) evenly spaced. Seen of these are termed "diatonic"; naming them for historical reasons as C, D, E, F, G, A, B (in order of pitch from lowest to highest). These are unevenly spaced in the sense that between E and F and between B and the next C (they are used cyclically) there is no note; between each other pair of notes there is another (named "chromatic") notes; these have two names, but I'll mostly use one name (to make it easy to write without re-editing). C, C#, D, Eb, E, F, F#, G, Ab, A, Bb, B (the b lowers the note above an the # raises the note below.) Each note has a separate musical place to are not really exchangeable. The note C is termed the tonic and G the dominant (historical naming again).



        In addition to the notes, combinations of notes played simultaneously are important for key structure. The "tonic chord" is C-E-G; in the key of C-Major, this chord is used to end (almost all) music in the key of C (and it is used to begin a large plurality of such pieces.) I'd also like to note that the causality really goes backwards; pieces that end on a C-Major chord and rhythmically and texturally seem to stop there are called being in C. To really be in the key of C, the chord sequence G-B-D (a G-major chord) followed by a C-major chord is used to end the piece (or to at least mark off sections). Other common patterns like F-A-D (a D-minor chord) followed by a G-major then a C-major chord are common. Pieces in C-major do not end on a d-minor chord for example. One can use chromatic chords without leaving the key of C: D-F#-A followed by G-B-D then C-E-G still sounds like C-major. There are lots more a "French Sixth" (historical naming again) chord has two chromatic notes but if treated properly need not leave the key. F-A-D (D-minor chord in first inversion) followed by Ab-C-D-F# (the French Sixth) then G-C-E-G (cadential tonic 64 which has other names) then G-D-D-F (dominant seventh) ending with C-E-G is common. Two important things should be noted here: names don't mean much, only usage; also the "chromatic" notes also belong to the key. Other keys have the same structure but the base note (or bass note or tonic) id different.



        Minor keys are a bit more complex. The diatonic notes are C, D, Eb, F, G, Ab, Bb, however the notes Ab and Bb (scale steps 6 and 7) are mutable; they may occur as A or B without being termed chroatic. The tonic is C-Eb-G (C-minor chord) and the dominant is G-B-D (major chord; mutated step 7). The patterns with Ab-Bb or A-Bb or Ab-B or A-B in either order are common, even in the same phrase.



        Some (most) texts write three minor scales called Natural, Melodic, and Harmonic minor scales. There are some common uses (I've posted these elsewhere a few times) but none lead away from the key of C-Minor. Jazz theory treats each of these patterns in special way, a bit differently from the classical theory.



        So, scales are ordered collections of notes abstracted from musical practice. Key are large-scale melodic and harmonic structures that tend to be used a lot. It's the music, not the labeling or taxonomy.






        share|improve this answer

























          3












          3








          3







          A key in the Common Practice Period (about 1500-1900) is more than a scale. There are implied harmonies and differences between notes. Short explanation follows.



          A scale is simply a bunch of notes arranged in order by pitch (or frequency.) Over the years (at least from ancient Greek times to today) people have abstracted from musical pieces those pitches which seem important in some way then arranged them in order. Gregorian Chant has several scales (called modes) abstracted from the corpus of chants.



          A key is quite a bit more. In a key, some notes are special (also true for modes) and certain chords have special meanings. I'll use the major and minor keys for examples (most other musical organizations aren't generally called keys). A major key ( C-major ) consists of a set of 12 notes, (approximately) evenly spaced. Seen of these are termed "diatonic"; naming them for historical reasons as C, D, E, F, G, A, B (in order of pitch from lowest to highest). These are unevenly spaced in the sense that between E and F and between B and the next C (they are used cyclically) there is no note; between each other pair of notes there is another (named "chromatic") notes; these have two names, but I'll mostly use one name (to make it easy to write without re-editing). C, C#, D, Eb, E, F, F#, G, Ab, A, Bb, B (the b lowers the note above an the # raises the note below.) Each note has a separate musical place to are not really exchangeable. The note C is termed the tonic and G the dominant (historical naming again).



          In addition to the notes, combinations of notes played simultaneously are important for key structure. The "tonic chord" is C-E-G; in the key of C-Major, this chord is used to end (almost all) music in the key of C (and it is used to begin a large plurality of such pieces.) I'd also like to note that the causality really goes backwards; pieces that end on a C-Major chord and rhythmically and texturally seem to stop there are called being in C. To really be in the key of C, the chord sequence G-B-D (a G-major chord) followed by a C-major chord is used to end the piece (or to at least mark off sections). Other common patterns like F-A-D (a D-minor chord) followed by a G-major then a C-major chord are common. Pieces in C-major do not end on a d-minor chord for example. One can use chromatic chords without leaving the key of C: D-F#-A followed by G-B-D then C-E-G still sounds like C-major. There are lots more a "French Sixth" (historical naming again) chord has two chromatic notes but if treated properly need not leave the key. F-A-D (D-minor chord in first inversion) followed by Ab-C-D-F# (the French Sixth) then G-C-E-G (cadential tonic 64 which has other names) then G-D-D-F (dominant seventh) ending with C-E-G is common. Two important things should be noted here: names don't mean much, only usage; also the "chromatic" notes also belong to the key. Other keys have the same structure but the base note (or bass note or tonic) id different.



          Minor keys are a bit more complex. The diatonic notes are C, D, Eb, F, G, Ab, Bb, however the notes Ab and Bb (scale steps 6 and 7) are mutable; they may occur as A or B without being termed chroatic. The tonic is C-Eb-G (C-minor chord) and the dominant is G-B-D (major chord; mutated step 7). The patterns with Ab-Bb or A-Bb or Ab-B or A-B in either order are common, even in the same phrase.



          Some (most) texts write three minor scales called Natural, Melodic, and Harmonic minor scales. There are some common uses (I've posted these elsewhere a few times) but none lead away from the key of C-Minor. Jazz theory treats each of these patterns in special way, a bit differently from the classical theory.



          So, scales are ordered collections of notes abstracted from musical practice. Key are large-scale melodic and harmonic structures that tend to be used a lot. It's the music, not the labeling or taxonomy.






          share|improve this answer













          A key in the Common Practice Period (about 1500-1900) is more than a scale. There are implied harmonies and differences between notes. Short explanation follows.



          A scale is simply a bunch of notes arranged in order by pitch (or frequency.) Over the years (at least from ancient Greek times to today) people have abstracted from musical pieces those pitches which seem important in some way then arranged them in order. Gregorian Chant has several scales (called modes) abstracted from the corpus of chants.



          A key is quite a bit more. In a key, some notes are special (also true for modes) and certain chords have special meanings. I'll use the major and minor keys for examples (most other musical organizations aren't generally called keys). A major key ( C-major ) consists of a set of 12 notes, (approximately) evenly spaced. Seen of these are termed "diatonic"; naming them for historical reasons as C, D, E, F, G, A, B (in order of pitch from lowest to highest). These are unevenly spaced in the sense that between E and F and between B and the next C (they are used cyclically) there is no note; between each other pair of notes there is another (named "chromatic") notes; these have two names, but I'll mostly use one name (to make it easy to write without re-editing). C, C#, D, Eb, E, F, F#, G, Ab, A, Bb, B (the b lowers the note above an the # raises the note below.) Each note has a separate musical place to are not really exchangeable. The note C is termed the tonic and G the dominant (historical naming again).



          In addition to the notes, combinations of notes played simultaneously are important for key structure. The "tonic chord" is C-E-G; in the key of C-Major, this chord is used to end (almost all) music in the key of C (and it is used to begin a large plurality of such pieces.) I'd also like to note that the causality really goes backwards; pieces that end on a C-Major chord and rhythmically and texturally seem to stop there are called being in C. To really be in the key of C, the chord sequence G-B-D (a G-major chord) followed by a C-major chord is used to end the piece (or to at least mark off sections). Other common patterns like F-A-D (a D-minor chord) followed by a G-major then a C-major chord are common. Pieces in C-major do not end on a d-minor chord for example. One can use chromatic chords without leaving the key of C: D-F#-A followed by G-B-D then C-E-G still sounds like C-major. There are lots more a "French Sixth" (historical naming again) chord has two chromatic notes but if treated properly need not leave the key. F-A-D (D-minor chord in first inversion) followed by Ab-C-D-F# (the French Sixth) then G-C-E-G (cadential tonic 64 which has other names) then G-D-D-F (dominant seventh) ending with C-E-G is common. Two important things should be noted here: names don't mean much, only usage; also the "chromatic" notes also belong to the key. Other keys have the same structure but the base note (or bass note or tonic) id different.



          Minor keys are a bit more complex. The diatonic notes are C, D, Eb, F, G, Ab, Bb, however the notes Ab and Bb (scale steps 6 and 7) are mutable; they may occur as A or B without being termed chroatic. The tonic is C-Eb-G (C-minor chord) and the dominant is G-B-D (major chord; mutated step 7). The patterns with Ab-Bb or A-Bb or Ab-B or A-B in either order are common, even in the same phrase.



          Some (most) texts write three minor scales called Natural, Melodic, and Harmonic minor scales. There are some common uses (I've posted these elsewhere a few times) but none lead away from the key of C-Minor. Jazz theory treats each of these patterns in special way, a bit differently from the classical theory.



          So, scales are ordered collections of notes abstracted from musical practice. Key are large-scale melodic and harmonic structures that tend to be used a lot. It's the music, not the labeling or taxonomy.







          share|improve this answer












          share|improve this answer



          share|improve this answer










          answered Feb 23 at 1:19









          ttwttw

          8,928932




          8,928932





















              2














              You've got some really good answers so far, but I thought I might give some additional perspective...



              "Key" is kind of a fuzzy thing. It depends partly on the context. You're not wrong in thinking that key is synonymous with scale, because that's one common usage. In my experience, when someone uses the term "key" they might be talking about any of the following:




              1. The key signature. If a piece has four sharps many people will say it's "in the Key of E", even if it's actually in C# minor or F# Dorian.


              2. The tonic being used. "It's in the key of C# minor" tells you the tonic, but it doesn't tell you what scale you're using.


              3. The actual scale being used. "It' in C# Dorian" tells you that the tonal center is C#, but the key signature is probbly B.

              Any of those three are the most common uses. Some uses have a bit of cross-over, as in "Blues in A". That tells you the chords are in A, but the scale is most likely a blues scale - and you'll have lots of naturals on the C, F and G notes.



              Saying a piece is in a key doesn't necessarily tie you to a scale - a Concerto in D probably has a fairly lengthy chunk that has G# notes, because the modulations aren't taken into account when you name the key of a piece. In jazz, which often modulates frequently, you may hear people talk about the "key of the moment" - that refers to the tonal center of a specific set of chords within a piece that's in a different key signature. Giant Steps is in B major, but it has a couple measures in G, then a bit in Eb, then back to B, and so on.



              And you'll sometimes hear singers say "that's my key" when they really mean "if you play it in that key it's comfortable for my range".



              None of those interpretations are wrong, even though what each describes is different. I wouldn't stress to much over an exact definition - just try to get your head around what the other person actually means when they say "key".






              share|improve this answer



























                2














                You've got some really good answers so far, but I thought I might give some additional perspective...



                "Key" is kind of a fuzzy thing. It depends partly on the context. You're not wrong in thinking that key is synonymous with scale, because that's one common usage. In my experience, when someone uses the term "key" they might be talking about any of the following:




                1. The key signature. If a piece has four sharps many people will say it's "in the Key of E", even if it's actually in C# minor or F# Dorian.


                2. The tonic being used. "It's in the key of C# minor" tells you the tonic, but it doesn't tell you what scale you're using.


                3. The actual scale being used. "It' in C# Dorian" tells you that the tonal center is C#, but the key signature is probbly B.

                Any of those three are the most common uses. Some uses have a bit of cross-over, as in "Blues in A". That tells you the chords are in A, but the scale is most likely a blues scale - and you'll have lots of naturals on the C, F and G notes.



                Saying a piece is in a key doesn't necessarily tie you to a scale - a Concerto in D probably has a fairly lengthy chunk that has G# notes, because the modulations aren't taken into account when you name the key of a piece. In jazz, which often modulates frequently, you may hear people talk about the "key of the moment" - that refers to the tonal center of a specific set of chords within a piece that's in a different key signature. Giant Steps is in B major, but it has a couple measures in G, then a bit in Eb, then back to B, and so on.



                And you'll sometimes hear singers say "that's my key" when they really mean "if you play it in that key it's comfortable for my range".



                None of those interpretations are wrong, even though what each describes is different. I wouldn't stress to much over an exact definition - just try to get your head around what the other person actually means when they say "key".






                share|improve this answer

























                  2












                  2








                  2







                  You've got some really good answers so far, but I thought I might give some additional perspective...



                  "Key" is kind of a fuzzy thing. It depends partly on the context. You're not wrong in thinking that key is synonymous with scale, because that's one common usage. In my experience, when someone uses the term "key" they might be talking about any of the following:




                  1. The key signature. If a piece has four sharps many people will say it's "in the Key of E", even if it's actually in C# minor or F# Dorian.


                  2. The tonic being used. "It's in the key of C# minor" tells you the tonic, but it doesn't tell you what scale you're using.


                  3. The actual scale being used. "It' in C# Dorian" tells you that the tonal center is C#, but the key signature is probbly B.

                  Any of those three are the most common uses. Some uses have a bit of cross-over, as in "Blues in A". That tells you the chords are in A, but the scale is most likely a blues scale - and you'll have lots of naturals on the C, F and G notes.



                  Saying a piece is in a key doesn't necessarily tie you to a scale - a Concerto in D probably has a fairly lengthy chunk that has G# notes, because the modulations aren't taken into account when you name the key of a piece. In jazz, which often modulates frequently, you may hear people talk about the "key of the moment" - that refers to the tonal center of a specific set of chords within a piece that's in a different key signature. Giant Steps is in B major, but it has a couple measures in G, then a bit in Eb, then back to B, and so on.



                  And you'll sometimes hear singers say "that's my key" when they really mean "if you play it in that key it's comfortable for my range".



                  None of those interpretations are wrong, even though what each describes is different. I wouldn't stress to much over an exact definition - just try to get your head around what the other person actually means when they say "key".






                  share|improve this answer













                  You've got some really good answers so far, but I thought I might give some additional perspective...



                  "Key" is kind of a fuzzy thing. It depends partly on the context. You're not wrong in thinking that key is synonymous with scale, because that's one common usage. In my experience, when someone uses the term "key" they might be talking about any of the following:




                  1. The key signature. If a piece has four sharps many people will say it's "in the Key of E", even if it's actually in C# minor or F# Dorian.


                  2. The tonic being used. "It's in the key of C# minor" tells you the tonic, but it doesn't tell you what scale you're using.


                  3. The actual scale being used. "It' in C# Dorian" tells you that the tonal center is C#, but the key signature is probbly B.

                  Any of those three are the most common uses. Some uses have a bit of cross-over, as in "Blues in A". That tells you the chords are in A, but the scale is most likely a blues scale - and you'll have lots of naturals on the C, F and G notes.



                  Saying a piece is in a key doesn't necessarily tie you to a scale - a Concerto in D probably has a fairly lengthy chunk that has G# notes, because the modulations aren't taken into account when you name the key of a piece. In jazz, which often modulates frequently, you may hear people talk about the "key of the moment" - that refers to the tonal center of a specific set of chords within a piece that's in a different key signature. Giant Steps is in B major, but it has a couple measures in G, then a bit in Eb, then back to B, and so on.



                  And you'll sometimes hear singers say "that's my key" when they really mean "if you play it in that key it's comfortable for my range".



                  None of those interpretations are wrong, even though what each describes is different. I wouldn't stress to much over an exact definition - just try to get your head around what the other person actually means when they say "key".







                  share|improve this answer












                  share|improve this answer



                  share|improve this answer










                  answered Feb 23 at 3:14









                  Tom SerbTom Serb

                  1,054110




                  1,054110



























                      draft saved

                      draft discarded
















































                      Thanks for contributing an answer to Music: Practice & Theory Stack Exchange!


                      • Please be sure to answer the question. Provide details and share your research!

                      But avoid


                      • Asking for help, clarification, or responding to other answers.

                      • Making statements based on opinion; back them up with references or personal experience.

                      To learn more, see our tips on writing great answers.




                      draft saved


                      draft discarded














                      StackExchange.ready(
                      function ()
                      StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fmusic.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f80417%2fcan-someone-explain-what-a-key-is%23new-answer', 'question_page');

                      );

                      Post as a guest















                      Required, but never shown





















































                      Required, but never shown














                      Required, but never shown












                      Required, but never shown







                      Required, but never shown

































                      Required, but never shown














                      Required, but never shown












                      Required, but never shown







                      Required, but never shown






                      Popular posts from this blog

                      Peggy Mitchell

                      Palaiologos

                      The Forum (Inglewood, California)