Provide example of two series that both diverge but $summina_n,b_n$ converges

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I've posted the solution for this problem and I'm trying to understand this.



In the end of the solution provided it says to continue this process. So, do we hold $a_n$ to be $frac1n^2$ and $b_n$ to be $frac1900^2$ for the next $900^2$ terms? And then hold $b_n$ to be $frac1n^2$ and $a_n$ to be $frac1810000 ^2$ for the next $810000 ^2$ terms? (because $900^2$ is $810000$)



And why do we have to add one to the sum of partial sums?










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    I've posted the solution for this problem and I'm trying to understand this.



    In the end of the solution provided it says to continue this process. So, do we hold $a_n$ to be $frac1n^2$ and $b_n$ to be $frac1900^2$ for the next $900^2$ terms? And then hold $b_n$ to be $frac1n^2$ and $a_n$ to be $frac1810000 ^2$ for the next $810000 ^2$ terms? (because $900^2$ is $810000$)



    And why do we have to add one to the sum of partial sums?










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      I've posted the solution for this problem and I'm trying to understand this.



      In the end of the solution provided it says to continue this process. So, do we hold $a_n$ to be $frac1n^2$ and $b_n$ to be $frac1900^2$ for the next $900^2$ terms? And then hold $b_n$ to be $frac1n^2$ and $a_n$ to be $frac1810000 ^2$ for the next $810000 ^2$ terms? (because $900^2$ is $810000$)



      And why do we have to add one to the sum of partial sums?










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      I've posted the solution for this problem and I'm trying to understand this.



      In the end of the solution provided it says to continue this process. So, do we hold $a_n$ to be $frac1n^2$ and $b_n$ to be $frac1900^2$ for the next $900^2$ terms? And then hold $b_n$ to be $frac1n^2$ and $a_n$ to be $frac1810000 ^2$ for the next $810000 ^2$ terms? (because $900^2$ is $810000$)



      And why do we have to add one to the sum of partial sums?







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          The idea behind the more challenging version is to construct $(a_n)$ and $(b_n)$ such that $sum a_n,sum b_n$ both diverge, but $sum mina_n,b_n$ converges. The way the author of this solution has chosen to proceed is by making $(a_n)$ and $(b_n)$ such that for each $n$, we have $mina_n,b_n = 1/n^2$, and yet we add enough small constant terms to each sequence so that the partial sums eventually grow by $1$ if we wait long enough. This growth by $1$ repeated over and over again ensures that the series $sum a_n,sum b_n$ both diverge since their partial sums each grow without bound by merely waiting long enough.



          To find how many terms we add again, think about the pattern
          beginalign*
          (1+1) - 1 &= 1^2 \
          (5 + 1) - 2 &= 2^2 \
          (30 + 1) - 6 &= 5^2 \
          (930 + 1) - 31 &= 30^2 \
          (865830 + 1) - 931 &= 930^2 \
          (x + 1) - 865831 &= 865830^2 \
          dotsb
          endalign*






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            Essentially, they're making $a_n$ and $b_n$ a positive monotone summable sequence (in this case, $frac1n^2$), and just "pausing" each sequence long enough that a $1$ is added to the partial sum, thereby forcing the sum to diverge.



            So, start with the same series
            beginmatrix
            a_n = bigl(1 & frac12^2 & frac13^2 & frac14^2 & frac15^2 & frac16^2 & frac17^2 & frac18^2 & frac19^2 & frac110^2 & frac111^2 & frac112^2 & frac113^2 & frac114^2 & frac115^2 & frac116^2 & cdots &bigr) \
            b_n = bigl(1 & frac12^2 & frac13^2 & frac14^2 & frac15^2 & frac16^2 & frac17^2 & frac18^2 & frac19^2 & frac110^2 & frac111^2 & frac112^2 & frac113^2 & frac114^2 & frac115^2 & frac116^2 & cdots &bigr)
            endmatrix

            and modify them like so:
            beginmatrix
            a_n = bigl(1 & colorredfrac14 & colorredfrac14 & colorredfrac14 & colorredfrac14 & frac16^2 & frac17^2 & cdots & frac129^2 & colorredfrac1900 & colorredfrac1900 & colorredfrac1900 & cdots & colorredfrac1900 & colorredfrac1900 & frac1930^2 & cdots &bigr) \
            b_n = bigl(1 & frac12^2 & frac13^2 & frac14^2 & colorredfrac125 & colorredfrac125 & colorredfrac125 & cdots & colorredfrac125 & colorredfrac125 & frac131^2 & frac132^2 & cdots & frac1928^2 & colorredfrac1929^2 & colorredfrac1929^2 & cdots &bigr).
            endmatrix

            The streaks of red numbers add to $1$, and occur infinitely many often in both sequences, so each partial sum becomes unbounded and hence the series fails to converge. But, the minimum of the two sequences is always $frac1n^2$.






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              $begingroup$

              The idea behind the more challenging version is to construct $(a_n)$ and $(b_n)$ such that $sum a_n,sum b_n$ both diverge, but $sum mina_n,b_n$ converges. The way the author of this solution has chosen to proceed is by making $(a_n)$ and $(b_n)$ such that for each $n$, we have $mina_n,b_n = 1/n^2$, and yet we add enough small constant terms to each sequence so that the partial sums eventually grow by $1$ if we wait long enough. This growth by $1$ repeated over and over again ensures that the series $sum a_n,sum b_n$ both diverge since their partial sums each grow without bound by merely waiting long enough.



              To find how many terms we add again, think about the pattern
              beginalign*
              (1+1) - 1 &= 1^2 \
              (5 + 1) - 2 &= 2^2 \
              (30 + 1) - 6 &= 5^2 \
              (930 + 1) - 31 &= 30^2 \
              (865830 + 1) - 931 &= 930^2 \
              (x + 1) - 865831 &= 865830^2 \
              dotsb
              endalign*






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                $begingroup$

                The idea behind the more challenging version is to construct $(a_n)$ and $(b_n)$ such that $sum a_n,sum b_n$ both diverge, but $sum mina_n,b_n$ converges. The way the author of this solution has chosen to proceed is by making $(a_n)$ and $(b_n)$ such that for each $n$, we have $mina_n,b_n = 1/n^2$, and yet we add enough small constant terms to each sequence so that the partial sums eventually grow by $1$ if we wait long enough. This growth by $1$ repeated over and over again ensures that the series $sum a_n,sum b_n$ both diverge since their partial sums each grow without bound by merely waiting long enough.



                To find how many terms we add again, think about the pattern
                beginalign*
                (1+1) - 1 &= 1^2 \
                (5 + 1) - 2 &= 2^2 \
                (30 + 1) - 6 &= 5^2 \
                (930 + 1) - 31 &= 30^2 \
                (865830 + 1) - 931 &= 930^2 \
                (x + 1) - 865831 &= 865830^2 \
                dotsb
                endalign*






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                  $begingroup$

                  The idea behind the more challenging version is to construct $(a_n)$ and $(b_n)$ such that $sum a_n,sum b_n$ both diverge, but $sum mina_n,b_n$ converges. The way the author of this solution has chosen to proceed is by making $(a_n)$ and $(b_n)$ such that for each $n$, we have $mina_n,b_n = 1/n^2$, and yet we add enough small constant terms to each sequence so that the partial sums eventually grow by $1$ if we wait long enough. This growth by $1$ repeated over and over again ensures that the series $sum a_n,sum b_n$ both diverge since their partial sums each grow without bound by merely waiting long enough.



                  To find how many terms we add again, think about the pattern
                  beginalign*
                  (1+1) - 1 &= 1^2 \
                  (5 + 1) - 2 &= 2^2 \
                  (30 + 1) - 6 &= 5^2 \
                  (930 + 1) - 31 &= 30^2 \
                  (865830 + 1) - 931 &= 930^2 \
                  (x + 1) - 865831 &= 865830^2 \
                  dotsb
                  endalign*






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                  The idea behind the more challenging version is to construct $(a_n)$ and $(b_n)$ such that $sum a_n,sum b_n$ both diverge, but $sum mina_n,b_n$ converges. The way the author of this solution has chosen to proceed is by making $(a_n)$ and $(b_n)$ such that for each $n$, we have $mina_n,b_n = 1/n^2$, and yet we add enough small constant terms to each sequence so that the partial sums eventually grow by $1$ if we wait long enough. This growth by $1$ repeated over and over again ensures that the series $sum a_n,sum b_n$ both diverge since their partial sums each grow without bound by merely waiting long enough.



                  To find how many terms we add again, think about the pattern
                  beginalign*
                  (1+1) - 1 &= 1^2 \
                  (5 + 1) - 2 &= 2^2 \
                  (30 + 1) - 6 &= 5^2 \
                  (930 + 1) - 31 &= 30^2 \
                  (865830 + 1) - 931 &= 930^2 \
                  (x + 1) - 865831 &= 865830^2 \
                  dotsb
                  endalign*







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                      Essentially, they're making $a_n$ and $b_n$ a positive monotone summable sequence (in this case, $frac1n^2$), and just "pausing" each sequence long enough that a $1$ is added to the partial sum, thereby forcing the sum to diverge.



                      So, start with the same series
                      beginmatrix
                      a_n = bigl(1 & frac12^2 & frac13^2 & frac14^2 & frac15^2 & frac16^2 & frac17^2 & frac18^2 & frac19^2 & frac110^2 & frac111^2 & frac112^2 & frac113^2 & frac114^2 & frac115^2 & frac116^2 & cdots &bigr) \
                      b_n = bigl(1 & frac12^2 & frac13^2 & frac14^2 & frac15^2 & frac16^2 & frac17^2 & frac18^2 & frac19^2 & frac110^2 & frac111^2 & frac112^2 & frac113^2 & frac114^2 & frac115^2 & frac116^2 & cdots &bigr)
                      endmatrix

                      and modify them like so:
                      beginmatrix
                      a_n = bigl(1 & colorredfrac14 & colorredfrac14 & colorredfrac14 & colorredfrac14 & frac16^2 & frac17^2 & cdots & frac129^2 & colorredfrac1900 & colorredfrac1900 & colorredfrac1900 & cdots & colorredfrac1900 & colorredfrac1900 & frac1930^2 & cdots &bigr) \
                      b_n = bigl(1 & frac12^2 & frac13^2 & frac14^2 & colorredfrac125 & colorredfrac125 & colorredfrac125 & cdots & colorredfrac125 & colorredfrac125 & frac131^2 & frac132^2 & cdots & frac1928^2 & colorredfrac1929^2 & colorredfrac1929^2 & cdots &bigr).
                      endmatrix

                      The streaks of red numbers add to $1$, and occur infinitely many often in both sequences, so each partial sum becomes unbounded and hence the series fails to converge. But, the minimum of the two sequences is always $frac1n^2$.






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                        Essentially, they're making $a_n$ and $b_n$ a positive monotone summable sequence (in this case, $frac1n^2$), and just "pausing" each sequence long enough that a $1$ is added to the partial sum, thereby forcing the sum to diverge.



                        So, start with the same series
                        beginmatrix
                        a_n = bigl(1 & frac12^2 & frac13^2 & frac14^2 & frac15^2 & frac16^2 & frac17^2 & frac18^2 & frac19^2 & frac110^2 & frac111^2 & frac112^2 & frac113^2 & frac114^2 & frac115^2 & frac116^2 & cdots &bigr) \
                        b_n = bigl(1 & frac12^2 & frac13^2 & frac14^2 & frac15^2 & frac16^2 & frac17^2 & frac18^2 & frac19^2 & frac110^2 & frac111^2 & frac112^2 & frac113^2 & frac114^2 & frac115^2 & frac116^2 & cdots &bigr)
                        endmatrix

                        and modify them like so:
                        beginmatrix
                        a_n = bigl(1 & colorredfrac14 & colorredfrac14 & colorredfrac14 & colorredfrac14 & frac16^2 & frac17^2 & cdots & frac129^2 & colorredfrac1900 & colorredfrac1900 & colorredfrac1900 & cdots & colorredfrac1900 & colorredfrac1900 & frac1930^2 & cdots &bigr) \
                        b_n = bigl(1 & frac12^2 & frac13^2 & frac14^2 & colorredfrac125 & colorredfrac125 & colorredfrac125 & cdots & colorredfrac125 & colorredfrac125 & frac131^2 & frac132^2 & cdots & frac1928^2 & colorredfrac1929^2 & colorredfrac1929^2 & cdots &bigr).
                        endmatrix

                        The streaks of red numbers add to $1$, and occur infinitely many often in both sequences, so each partial sum becomes unbounded and hence the series fails to converge. But, the minimum of the two sequences is always $frac1n^2$.






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                          $begingroup$

                          Essentially, they're making $a_n$ and $b_n$ a positive monotone summable sequence (in this case, $frac1n^2$), and just "pausing" each sequence long enough that a $1$ is added to the partial sum, thereby forcing the sum to diverge.



                          So, start with the same series
                          beginmatrix
                          a_n = bigl(1 & frac12^2 & frac13^2 & frac14^2 & frac15^2 & frac16^2 & frac17^2 & frac18^2 & frac19^2 & frac110^2 & frac111^2 & frac112^2 & frac113^2 & frac114^2 & frac115^2 & frac116^2 & cdots &bigr) \
                          b_n = bigl(1 & frac12^2 & frac13^2 & frac14^2 & frac15^2 & frac16^2 & frac17^2 & frac18^2 & frac19^2 & frac110^2 & frac111^2 & frac112^2 & frac113^2 & frac114^2 & frac115^2 & frac116^2 & cdots &bigr)
                          endmatrix

                          and modify them like so:
                          beginmatrix
                          a_n = bigl(1 & colorredfrac14 & colorredfrac14 & colorredfrac14 & colorredfrac14 & frac16^2 & frac17^2 & cdots & frac129^2 & colorredfrac1900 & colorredfrac1900 & colorredfrac1900 & cdots & colorredfrac1900 & colorredfrac1900 & frac1930^2 & cdots &bigr) \
                          b_n = bigl(1 & frac12^2 & frac13^2 & frac14^2 & colorredfrac125 & colorredfrac125 & colorredfrac125 & cdots & colorredfrac125 & colorredfrac125 & frac131^2 & frac132^2 & cdots & frac1928^2 & colorredfrac1929^2 & colorredfrac1929^2 & cdots &bigr).
                          endmatrix

                          The streaks of red numbers add to $1$, and occur infinitely many often in both sequences, so each partial sum becomes unbounded and hence the series fails to converge. But, the minimum of the two sequences is always $frac1n^2$.






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                          Essentially, they're making $a_n$ and $b_n$ a positive monotone summable sequence (in this case, $frac1n^2$), and just "pausing" each sequence long enough that a $1$ is added to the partial sum, thereby forcing the sum to diverge.



                          So, start with the same series
                          beginmatrix
                          a_n = bigl(1 & frac12^2 & frac13^2 & frac14^2 & frac15^2 & frac16^2 & frac17^2 & frac18^2 & frac19^2 & frac110^2 & frac111^2 & frac112^2 & frac113^2 & frac114^2 & frac115^2 & frac116^2 & cdots &bigr) \
                          b_n = bigl(1 & frac12^2 & frac13^2 & frac14^2 & frac15^2 & frac16^2 & frac17^2 & frac18^2 & frac19^2 & frac110^2 & frac111^2 & frac112^2 & frac113^2 & frac114^2 & frac115^2 & frac116^2 & cdots &bigr)
                          endmatrix

                          and modify them like so:
                          beginmatrix
                          a_n = bigl(1 & colorredfrac14 & colorredfrac14 & colorredfrac14 & colorredfrac14 & frac16^2 & frac17^2 & cdots & frac129^2 & colorredfrac1900 & colorredfrac1900 & colorredfrac1900 & cdots & colorredfrac1900 & colorredfrac1900 & frac1930^2 & cdots &bigr) \
                          b_n = bigl(1 & frac12^2 & frac13^2 & frac14^2 & colorredfrac125 & colorredfrac125 & colorredfrac125 & cdots & colorredfrac125 & colorredfrac125 & frac131^2 & frac132^2 & cdots & frac1928^2 & colorredfrac1929^2 & colorredfrac1929^2 & cdots &bigr).
                          endmatrix

                          The streaks of red numbers add to $1$, and occur infinitely many often in both sequences, so each partial sum becomes unbounded and hence the series fails to converge. But, the minimum of the two sequences is always $frac1n^2$.







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