What might this term (N sub C) be, calculating ripple current for a buck converter output capacitor?
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I'm reading through the datasheet for TI's TPS54302 step-down converter, and determining values for support components.
There is a calculation to determine ripple current for the output capacitor which is:
$$
I_COUT(RMS) = frac1sqrt12 times left(
fracV_OUTtimes(V_IN(MAX)-V_OUT)
V_IN(MAX) times L_OUT times f_SW times N_C right)
$$
(Where $L_OUT$ is the inductor value (H), $f_SW$ is the switching frequency (Hz).)
I'm not sure what the term $N_C$ is meant to be.
Looking around online, other formulas omit this. For example, in this document by Rohm titled Capacitor Calculation for Buck Converter IC, page 4 has the formula:
$$
I_CO = frac1sqrt12 times left(
fracV_OUT(V_IN(MAX)-V_OUT)
L times f_SW times V_IN(MAX) right)
$$
Either I am ignorant of what $N_C$ is in this context (the datasheet doesn't clarify); the term is optional depending on application; or TI has a mistake in the datasheet.
What is $N_C$ in this case?
capacitor buck ripple-current
asked Jan 7 at 23:30
JYeltonJYelton
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I'm reading through the datasheet for TI's TPS54302 step-down converter, and determining values for support components.
There is a calculation to determine ripple current for the output capacitor which is:
$$
I_COUT(RMS) = frac1sqrt12 times left(
fracV_OUTtimes(V_IN(MAX)-V_OUT)
V_IN(MAX) times L_OUT times f_SW times N_C right)
$$
(Where $L_OUT$ is the inductor value (H), $f_SW$ is the switching frequency (Hz).)
I'm not sure what the term $N_C$ is meant to be.
Looking around online, other formulas omit this. For example, in this document by Rohm titled Capacitor Calculation for Buck Converter IC, page 4 has the formula:
$$
I_CO = frac1sqrt12 times left(
fracV_OUT(V_IN(MAX)-V_OUT)
L times f_SW times V_IN(MAX) right)
$$
Either I am ignorant of what $N_C$ is in this context (the datasheet doesn't clarify); the term is optional depending on application; or TI has a mistake in the datasheet.
What is $N_C$ in this case?
capacitor buck ripple-current
asked Jan 7 at 23:30
JYeltonJYelton
16k2890190
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I'm reading through the datasheet for TI's TPS54302 step-down converter, and determining values for support components.
There is a calculation to determine ripple current for the output capacitor which is:
$$
I_COUT(RMS) = frac1sqrt12 times left(
fracV_OUTtimes(V_IN(MAX)-V_OUT)
V_IN(MAX) times L_OUT times f_SW times N_C right)
$$
(Where $L_OUT$ is the inductor value (H), $f_SW$ is the switching frequency (Hz).)
I'm not sure what the term $N_C$ is meant to be.
Looking around online, other formulas omit this. For example, in this document by Rohm titled Capacitor Calculation for Buck Converter IC, page 4 has the formula:
$$
I_CO = frac1sqrt12 times left(
fracV_OUT(V_IN(MAX)-V_OUT)
L times f_SW times V_IN(MAX) right)
$$
Either I am ignorant of what $N_C$ is in this context (the datasheet doesn't clarify); the term is optional depending on application; or TI has a mistake in the datasheet.
What is $N_C$ in this case?
capacitor buck ripple-current
asked Jan 7 at 23:30
JYeltonJYelton
16k2890190
$endgroup$
I'm reading through the datasheet for TI's TPS54302 step-down converter, and determining values for support components.
There is a calculation to determine ripple current for the output capacitor which is:
$$
I_COUT(RMS) = frac1sqrt12 times left(
fracV_OUTtimes(V_IN(MAX)-V_OUT)
V_IN(MAX) times L_OUT times f_SW times N_C right)
$$
(Where $L_OUT$ is the inductor value (H), $f_SW$ is the switching frequency (Hz).)
I'm not sure what the term $N_C$ is meant to be.
Looking around online, other formulas omit this. For example, in this document by Rohm titled Capacitor Calculation for Buck Converter IC, page 4 has the formula:
$$
I_CO = frac1sqrt12 times left(
fracV_OUT(V_IN(MAX)-V_OUT)
L times f_SW times V_IN(MAX) right)
$$
Either I am ignorant of what $N_C$ is in this context (the datasheet doesn't clarify); the term is optional depending on application; or TI has a mistake in the datasheet.
What is $N_C$ in this case?
capacitor buck ripple-current
capacitor buck ripple-current
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Most likely, number of capacitors.
If you make your (for example) 100 uF output capacitance using three 33-uF capacitors in parallel, then the ripple current each one needs to handle is only 1/3 of the total ripple current.
(Even though it doesn't look like the parameter is ever explained, nor is the possibility of multiple parallel capacitors discussed, the text immediately above the equation talks about the current for "each capacitor", implying that in some draft the author had the idea of using multiple capacitors, even if this didn't make it into the final version of the datasheet)
answered Jan 8 at 0:02
The PhotonThe Photon
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The data sheet doesn't say that $N_C$ is the number of output capacitors, but the schematic has two, and the text says that equation 15 gives the equation "for each capacitor". Bad technical writing style, there TI, to not name all your variables!
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– TimWescott
Jan 8 at 1:04
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Very intuitive thinking to understand other engineers with so-so math skills.
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– Sparky256
Jan 8 at 7:14
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In equation 9 (Page 15) they use the formula in question to derive IL(Max) and it appears they use a value of 0.8 for Nc, Am I missing something?
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Most likely, number of capacitors.
If you make your (for example) 100 uF output capacitance using three 33-uF capacitors in parallel, then the ripple current each one needs to handle is only 1/3 of the total ripple current.
(Even though it doesn't look like the parameter is ever explained, nor is the possibility of multiple parallel capacitors discussed, the text immediately above the equation talks about the current for "each capacitor", implying that in some draft the author had the idea of using multiple capacitors, even if this didn't make it into the final version of the datasheet)
answered Jan 8 at 0:02
The PhotonThe Photon
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The data sheet doesn't say that $N_C$ is the number of output capacitors, but the schematic has two, and the text says that equation 15 gives the equation "for each capacitor". Bad technical writing style, there TI, to not name all your variables!
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– TimWescott
Jan 8 at 1:04
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Very intuitive thinking to understand other engineers with so-so math skills.
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– Sparky256
Jan 8 at 7:14
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In equation 9 (Page 15) they use the formula in question to derive IL(Max) and it appears they use a value of 0.8 for Nc, Am I missing something?
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– Tyler
Jan 8 at 13:26
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$begingroup$
Most likely, number of capacitors.
If you make your (for example) 100 uF output capacitance using three 33-uF capacitors in parallel, then the ripple current each one needs to handle is only 1/3 of the total ripple current.
(Even though it doesn't look like the parameter is ever explained, nor is the possibility of multiple parallel capacitors discussed, the text immediately above the equation talks about the current for "each capacitor", implying that in some draft the author had the idea of using multiple capacitors, even if this didn't make it into the final version of the datasheet)
answered Jan 8 at 0:02
The PhotonThe Photon
84.3k397196
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The data sheet doesn't say that $N_C$ is the number of output capacitors, but the schematic has two, and the text says that equation 15 gives the equation "for each capacitor". Bad technical writing style, there TI, to not name all your variables!
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– TimWescott
Jan 8 at 1:04
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Very intuitive thinking to understand other engineers with so-so math skills.
$endgroup$
– Sparky256
Jan 8 at 7:14
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In equation 9 (Page 15) they use the formula in question to derive IL(Max) and it appears they use a value of 0.8 for Nc, Am I missing something?
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– Tyler
Jan 8 at 13:26
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Most likely, number of capacitors.
If you make your (for example) 100 uF output capacitance using three 33-uF capacitors in parallel, then the ripple current each one needs to handle is only 1/3 of the total ripple current.
(Even though it doesn't look like the parameter is ever explained, nor is the possibility of multiple parallel capacitors discussed, the text immediately above the equation talks about the current for "each capacitor", implying that in some draft the author had the idea of using multiple capacitors, even if this didn't make it into the final version of the datasheet)
answered Jan 8 at 0:02
The PhotonThe Photon
84.3k397196
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Most likely, number of capacitors.
If you make your (for example) 100 uF output capacitance using three 33-uF capacitors in parallel, then the ripple current each one needs to handle is only 1/3 of the total ripple current.
(Even though it doesn't look like the parameter is ever explained, nor is the possibility of multiple parallel capacitors discussed, the text immediately above the equation talks about the current for "each capacitor", implying that in some draft the author had the idea of using multiple capacitors, even if this didn't make it into the final version of the datasheet)
answered Jan 8 at 0:02
The PhotonThe Photon
84.3k397196
answered Jan 8 at 0:02
The PhotonThe Photon
84.3k397196
answered Jan 8 at 0:02
The PhotonThe Photon
84.3k397196
answered Jan 8 at 0:02
The PhotonThe Photon
84.3k397196
84.3k397196
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The data sheet doesn't say that $N_C$ is the number of output capacitors, but the schematic has two, and the text says that equation 15 gives the equation "for each capacitor". Bad technical writing style, there TI, to not name all your variables!
$endgroup$
– TimWescott
Jan 8 at 1:04
$begingroup$
Very intuitive thinking to understand other engineers with so-so math skills.
$endgroup$
– Sparky256
Jan 8 at 7:14
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In equation 9 (Page 15) they use the formula in question to derive IL(Max) and it appears they use a value of 0.8 for Nc, Am I missing something?
$endgroup$
– Tyler
Jan 8 at 13:26
add a comment |
$begingroup$
The data sheet doesn't say that $N_C$ is the number of output capacitors, but the schematic has two, and the text says that equation 15 gives the equation "for each capacitor". Bad technical writing style, there TI, to not name all your variables!
$endgroup$
– TimWescott
Jan 8 at 1:04
$begingroup$
Very intuitive thinking to understand other engineers with so-so math skills.
$endgroup$
– Sparky256
Jan 8 at 7:14
$begingroup$
In equation 9 (Page 15) they use the formula in question to derive IL(Max) and it appears they use a value of 0.8 for Nc, Am I missing something?
$endgroup$
– Tyler
Jan 8 at 13:26
$begingroup$
The data sheet doesn't say that $N_C$ is the number of output capacitors, but the schematic has two, and the text says that equation 15 gives the equation "for each capacitor". Bad technical writing style, there TI, to not name all your variables!
$endgroup$
– TimWescott
Jan 8 at 1:04
$begingroup$
The data sheet doesn't say that $N_C$ is the number of output capacitors, but the schematic has two, and the text says that equation 15 gives the equation "for each capacitor". Bad technical writing style, there TI, to not name all your variables!
$endgroup$
– TimWescott
Jan 8 at 1:04
$begingroup$
Very intuitive thinking to understand other engineers with so-so math skills.
$endgroup$
– Sparky256
Jan 8 at 7:14
$begingroup$
Very intuitive thinking to understand other engineers with so-so math skills.
$endgroup$
– Sparky256
Jan 8 at 7:14
$begingroup$
In equation 9 (Page 15) they use the formula in question to derive IL(Max) and it appears they use a value of 0.8 for Nc, Am I missing something?
$endgroup$
– Tyler
Jan 8 at 13:26
$begingroup$
In equation 9 (Page 15) they use the formula in question to derive IL(Max) and it appears they use a value of 0.8 for Nc, Am I missing something?
$endgroup$
– Tyler
Jan 8 at 13:26
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