Does a demon with the Magic Resistance trait have advantage on saving throws against the Summon Greater Demon spell?

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Assume I use summon greater demon (Xanathar's Guide to Everything, p. 166) and choose a demon with the Magic Resistance trait.



Does Magic Resistance grant the demon advantage on the Charisma saving throw at the end of its turn against the summon greater demon spell?










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    Assume I use summon greater demon (Xanathar's Guide to Everything, p. 166) and choose a demon with the Magic Resistance trait.



    Does Magic Resistance grant the demon advantage on the Charisma saving throw at the end of its turn against the summon greater demon spell?










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      Assume I use summon greater demon (Xanathar's Guide to Everything, p. 166) and choose a demon with the Magic Resistance trait.



      Does Magic Resistance grant the demon advantage on the Charisma saving throw at the end of its turn against the summon greater demon spell?










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      Assume I use summon greater demon (Xanathar's Guide to Everything, p. 166) and choose a demon with the Magic Resistance trait.



      Does Magic Resistance grant the demon advantage on the Charisma saving throw at the end of its turn against the summon greater demon spell?







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          Yes it does



          Magic resistance on any creature description I can find in the Monster Manual states the following:




          Magic Resistance. The Insert monster name here has advantage on saving throws against spells and other magical effects.




          Your summon greater demon spell being part of a spell is, indeed, a magical effect holding the demon, so he would certainly have advantage against resisting its hold.



          Summon greater demon however, has this in its description:




          At the end of each of the demons turns, it makes a Charisma saving throw. The demon has disadvantage on this saving throw if you say its true name.




          The rules of advantage and disadvantage in the Player's Handbook state:




          If circumstances cause a roll to have both advantage and disadvantage, you are considered to have neither of them, and roll one d20. This is true even if multiple circumstances impose and only one grants advantage or vice versa. In such a situation, you have neither advantage nor disadvantage.







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            Yes, the demon would have advantage



            Magic Resistance says:




            ... has advantage on saving throws against spells and other magical effects.




            The control from summon greater demon necessitates a saving throw and is part of the spell description. It is therefore covered by Magic Resistance.



            The only way to get around this would be to cause the demon to have disadvantage (therefore cancelling out any advantage). One such way is by knowing the demon's true name.






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            • @Rubiksmoose it wouldn't change it, but they would cancel out. Not sure it's worth adding, since learning demon names is not covered by the rules and may just lead to more questions.
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            Yes - RaW; it’s a magical effect causing a savings throw.



            I've gone through and listed the viable targets up to lvl 9th spell @ CR 10 or below.



            Much greater risk with summoning a demon with magic resistance, especially if you choose not to do the circle.



            Valid target without Magic Resistance:



            • Manes (CR 1/8)

            • Abyssal Wretch (CR 1/4)

            • Dretch (CR 1/4)

            • Maw Demon (CR 1)

            • Rutterkin (CR 2)

            • Bulezau (CR 3)

            • Babau (CR 4)

            • Shadow Demon (CR 4)

            • Barlgura (CR 5)

            • Draegloth* (CR 7)

            • Shoosuva (CR 8)

            Valid target with Magic Resistance:



            • Quasit (CR 1)

            • Dybbuk (CR 4)

            • Tanarukk* (CR 5)

            • Chasme (CR 6)

            • Vrock (CR 6)

            • Armanite (CR 7)

            • Maurezhi (CR 7)

            • Hezrou (CR 8)

            • Glabrezu (CR 9)

            • Yochlol (CR 10)

            *I count as invalid targets, being they are not natural to the Abyssal plane and already a corrupted humanoid.




            *Draegloth - A draegloth is a half-drow, half-glabrezu demon, born of a drow high priestess in an unholy, dangerous ritual.



            *Tanarukk - The demon lord Baphomet gladly shares the secret of creating tanarukks with those who entreat him for power. The process corrupts an unborn orc of the tribe, transforming it at birth into a creature much more savage than an orc.




            The lack of cohesion between the lesser and greater is off putting. Lesser states "hostile to all" yet Greater states nothing.






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            • I am not sure I understand what you are trying to say here, including if you agree or disagree, and your formatting feels more like a dropping of related ideas without a structure.
              – NautArch
              Nov 19 at 17:27











            • How do you know this wasn't part of the balance consideration for the spell?
              – David Coffron
              Nov 19 at 17:35






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              I'll also point out that Barlgura and Shadow Demon are specifically called out by the spell description (as examples) meaning this is likely working as intended (since a knowledgeable character like Xanthar probably knows what demons are easiest to control).
              – David Coffron
              Nov 19 at 17:47






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              There are actually 12 demons that qualify for summoning currently. 3 have magic resistance: Tanarukk, Dybbuk, Quasit.
              – Rubiksmoose
              Nov 19 at 17:56






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              Outside of personal opinion, can you support your statement about the Tanarukk being invalid?
              – NautArch
              Nov 20 at 15:20











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            Yes it does



            Magic resistance on any creature description I can find in the Monster Manual states the following:




            Magic Resistance. The Insert monster name here has advantage on saving throws against spells and other magical effects.




            Your summon greater demon spell being part of a spell is, indeed, a magical effect holding the demon, so he would certainly have advantage against resisting its hold.



            Summon greater demon however, has this in its description:




            At the end of each of the demons turns, it makes a Charisma saving throw. The demon has disadvantage on this saving throw if you say its true name.




            The rules of advantage and disadvantage in the Player's Handbook state:




            If circumstances cause a roll to have both advantage and disadvantage, you are considered to have neither of them, and roll one d20. This is true even if multiple circumstances impose and only one grants advantage or vice versa. In such a situation, you have neither advantage nor disadvantage.







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              Yes it does



              Magic resistance on any creature description I can find in the Monster Manual states the following:




              Magic Resistance. The Insert monster name here has advantage on saving throws against spells and other magical effects.




              Your summon greater demon spell being part of a spell is, indeed, a magical effect holding the demon, so he would certainly have advantage against resisting its hold.



              Summon greater demon however, has this in its description:




              At the end of each of the demons turns, it makes a Charisma saving throw. The demon has disadvantage on this saving throw if you say its true name.




              The rules of advantage and disadvantage in the Player's Handbook state:




              If circumstances cause a roll to have both advantage and disadvantage, you are considered to have neither of them, and roll one d20. This is true even if multiple circumstances impose and only one grants advantage or vice versa. In such a situation, you have neither advantage nor disadvantage.







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                Yes it does



                Magic resistance on any creature description I can find in the Monster Manual states the following:




                Magic Resistance. The Insert monster name here has advantage on saving throws against spells and other magical effects.




                Your summon greater demon spell being part of a spell is, indeed, a magical effect holding the demon, so he would certainly have advantage against resisting its hold.



                Summon greater demon however, has this in its description:




                At the end of each of the demons turns, it makes a Charisma saving throw. The demon has disadvantage on this saving throw if you say its true name.




                The rules of advantage and disadvantage in the Player's Handbook state:




                If circumstances cause a roll to have both advantage and disadvantage, you are considered to have neither of them, and roll one d20. This is true even if multiple circumstances impose and only one grants advantage or vice versa. In such a situation, you have neither advantage nor disadvantage.







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                Yes it does



                Magic resistance on any creature description I can find in the Monster Manual states the following:




                Magic Resistance. The Insert monster name here has advantage on saving throws against spells and other magical effects.




                Your summon greater demon spell being part of a spell is, indeed, a magical effect holding the demon, so he would certainly have advantage against resisting its hold.



                Summon greater demon however, has this in its description:




                At the end of each of the demons turns, it makes a Charisma saving throw. The demon has disadvantage on this saving throw if you say its true name.




                The rules of advantage and disadvantage in the Player's Handbook state:




                If circumstances cause a roll to have both advantage and disadvantage, you are considered to have neither of them, and roll one d20. This is true even if multiple circumstances impose and only one grants advantage or vice versa. In such a situation, you have neither advantage nor disadvantage.








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                    Yes, the demon would have advantage



                    Magic Resistance says:




                    ... has advantage on saving throws against spells and other magical effects.




                    The control from summon greater demon necessitates a saving throw and is part of the spell description. It is therefore covered by Magic Resistance.



                    The only way to get around this would be to cause the demon to have disadvantage (therefore cancelling out any advantage). One such way is by knowing the demon's true name.






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                    • @Rubiksmoose it wouldn't change it, but they would cancel out. Not sure it's worth adding, since learning demon names is not covered by the rules and may just lead to more questions.
                      – David Coffron
                      Nov 19 at 14:57














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                    Yes, the demon would have advantage



                    Magic Resistance says:




                    ... has advantage on saving throws against spells and other magical effects.




                    The control from summon greater demon necessitates a saving throw and is part of the spell description. It is therefore covered by Magic Resistance.



                    The only way to get around this would be to cause the demon to have disadvantage (therefore cancelling out any advantage). One such way is by knowing the demon's true name.






                    share|improve this answer






















                    • @Rubiksmoose it wouldn't change it, but they would cancel out. Not sure it's worth adding, since learning demon names is not covered by the rules and may just lead to more questions.
                      – David Coffron
                      Nov 19 at 14:57












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                    Yes, the demon would have advantage



                    Magic Resistance says:




                    ... has advantage on saving throws against spells and other magical effects.




                    The control from summon greater demon necessitates a saving throw and is part of the spell description. It is therefore covered by Magic Resistance.



                    The only way to get around this would be to cause the demon to have disadvantage (therefore cancelling out any advantage). One such way is by knowing the demon's true name.






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                    Yes, the demon would have advantage



                    Magic Resistance says:




                    ... has advantage on saving throws against spells and other magical effects.




                    The control from summon greater demon necessitates a saving throw and is part of the spell description. It is therefore covered by Magic Resistance.



                    The only way to get around this would be to cause the demon to have disadvantage (therefore cancelling out any advantage). One such way is by knowing the demon's true name.







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                    • @Rubiksmoose it wouldn't change it, but they would cancel out. Not sure it's worth adding, since learning demon names is not covered by the rules and may just lead to more questions.
                      – David Coffron
                      Nov 19 at 14:57
















                    • @Rubiksmoose it wouldn't change it, but they would cancel out. Not sure it's worth adding, since learning demon names is not covered by the rules and may just lead to more questions.
                      – David Coffron
                      Nov 19 at 14:57















                    @Rubiksmoose it wouldn't change it, but they would cancel out. Not sure it's worth adding, since learning demon names is not covered by the rules and may just lead to more questions.
                    – David Coffron
                    Nov 19 at 14:57




                    @Rubiksmoose it wouldn't change it, but they would cancel out. Not sure it's worth adding, since learning demon names is not covered by the rules and may just lead to more questions.
                    – David Coffron
                    Nov 19 at 14:57










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                    Yes - RaW; it’s a magical effect causing a savings throw.



                    I've gone through and listed the viable targets up to lvl 9th spell @ CR 10 or below.



                    Much greater risk with summoning a demon with magic resistance, especially if you choose not to do the circle.



                    Valid target without Magic Resistance:



                    • Manes (CR 1/8)

                    • Abyssal Wretch (CR 1/4)

                    • Dretch (CR 1/4)

                    • Maw Demon (CR 1)

                    • Rutterkin (CR 2)

                    • Bulezau (CR 3)

                    • Babau (CR 4)

                    • Shadow Demon (CR 4)

                    • Barlgura (CR 5)

                    • Draegloth* (CR 7)

                    • Shoosuva (CR 8)

                    Valid target with Magic Resistance:



                    • Quasit (CR 1)

                    • Dybbuk (CR 4)

                    • Tanarukk* (CR 5)

                    • Chasme (CR 6)

                    • Vrock (CR 6)

                    • Armanite (CR 7)

                    • Maurezhi (CR 7)

                    • Hezrou (CR 8)

                    • Glabrezu (CR 9)

                    • Yochlol (CR 10)

                    *I count as invalid targets, being they are not natural to the Abyssal plane and already a corrupted humanoid.




                    *Draegloth - A draegloth is a half-drow, half-glabrezu demon, born of a drow high priestess in an unholy, dangerous ritual.



                    *Tanarukk - The demon lord Baphomet gladly shares the secret of creating tanarukks with those who entreat him for power. The process corrupts an unborn orc of the tribe, transforming it at birth into a creature much more savage than an orc.




                    The lack of cohesion between the lesser and greater is off putting. Lesser states "hostile to all" yet Greater states nothing.






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                    • I am not sure I understand what you are trying to say here, including if you agree or disagree, and your formatting feels more like a dropping of related ideas without a structure.
                      – NautArch
                      Nov 19 at 17:27











                    • How do you know this wasn't part of the balance consideration for the spell?
                      – David Coffron
                      Nov 19 at 17:35






                    • 1




                      I'll also point out that Barlgura and Shadow Demon are specifically called out by the spell description (as examples) meaning this is likely working as intended (since a knowledgeable character like Xanthar probably knows what demons are easiest to control).
                      – David Coffron
                      Nov 19 at 17:47






                    • 2




                      There are actually 12 demons that qualify for summoning currently. 3 have magic resistance: Tanarukk, Dybbuk, Quasit.
                      – Rubiksmoose
                      Nov 19 at 17:56






                    • 1




                      Outside of personal opinion, can you support your statement about the Tanarukk being invalid?
                      – NautArch
                      Nov 20 at 15:20















                    up vote
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                    Yes - RaW; it’s a magical effect causing a savings throw.



                    I've gone through and listed the viable targets up to lvl 9th spell @ CR 10 or below.



                    Much greater risk with summoning a demon with magic resistance, especially if you choose not to do the circle.



                    Valid target without Magic Resistance:



                    • Manes (CR 1/8)

                    • Abyssal Wretch (CR 1/4)

                    • Dretch (CR 1/4)

                    • Maw Demon (CR 1)

                    • Rutterkin (CR 2)

                    • Bulezau (CR 3)

                    • Babau (CR 4)

                    • Shadow Demon (CR 4)

                    • Barlgura (CR 5)

                    • Draegloth* (CR 7)

                    • Shoosuva (CR 8)

                    Valid target with Magic Resistance:



                    • Quasit (CR 1)

                    • Dybbuk (CR 4)

                    • Tanarukk* (CR 5)

                    • Chasme (CR 6)

                    • Vrock (CR 6)

                    • Armanite (CR 7)

                    • Maurezhi (CR 7)

                    • Hezrou (CR 8)

                    • Glabrezu (CR 9)

                    • Yochlol (CR 10)

                    *I count as invalid targets, being they are not natural to the Abyssal plane and already a corrupted humanoid.




                    *Draegloth - A draegloth is a half-drow, half-glabrezu demon, born of a drow high priestess in an unholy, dangerous ritual.



                    *Tanarukk - The demon lord Baphomet gladly shares the secret of creating tanarukks with those who entreat him for power. The process corrupts an unborn orc of the tribe, transforming it at birth into a creature much more savage than an orc.




                    The lack of cohesion between the lesser and greater is off putting. Lesser states "hostile to all" yet Greater states nothing.






                    share|improve this answer






















                    • I am not sure I understand what you are trying to say here, including if you agree or disagree, and your formatting feels more like a dropping of related ideas without a structure.
                      – NautArch
                      Nov 19 at 17:27











                    • How do you know this wasn't part of the balance consideration for the spell?
                      – David Coffron
                      Nov 19 at 17:35






                    • 1




                      I'll also point out that Barlgura and Shadow Demon are specifically called out by the spell description (as examples) meaning this is likely working as intended (since a knowledgeable character like Xanthar probably knows what demons are easiest to control).
                      – David Coffron
                      Nov 19 at 17:47






                    • 2




                      There are actually 12 demons that qualify for summoning currently. 3 have magic resistance: Tanarukk, Dybbuk, Quasit.
                      – Rubiksmoose
                      Nov 19 at 17:56






                    • 1




                      Outside of personal opinion, can you support your statement about the Tanarukk being invalid?
                      – NautArch
                      Nov 20 at 15:20













                    up vote
                    -2
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                    Yes - RaW; it’s a magical effect causing a savings throw.



                    I've gone through and listed the viable targets up to lvl 9th spell @ CR 10 or below.



                    Much greater risk with summoning a demon with magic resistance, especially if you choose not to do the circle.



                    Valid target without Magic Resistance:



                    • Manes (CR 1/8)

                    • Abyssal Wretch (CR 1/4)

                    • Dretch (CR 1/4)

                    • Maw Demon (CR 1)

                    • Rutterkin (CR 2)

                    • Bulezau (CR 3)

                    • Babau (CR 4)

                    • Shadow Demon (CR 4)

                    • Barlgura (CR 5)

                    • Draegloth* (CR 7)

                    • Shoosuva (CR 8)

                    Valid target with Magic Resistance:



                    • Quasit (CR 1)

                    • Dybbuk (CR 4)

                    • Tanarukk* (CR 5)

                    • Chasme (CR 6)

                    • Vrock (CR 6)

                    • Armanite (CR 7)

                    • Maurezhi (CR 7)

                    • Hezrou (CR 8)

                    • Glabrezu (CR 9)

                    • Yochlol (CR 10)

                    *I count as invalid targets, being they are not natural to the Abyssal plane and already a corrupted humanoid.




                    *Draegloth - A draegloth is a half-drow, half-glabrezu demon, born of a drow high priestess in an unholy, dangerous ritual.



                    *Tanarukk - The demon lord Baphomet gladly shares the secret of creating tanarukks with those who entreat him for power. The process corrupts an unborn orc of the tribe, transforming it at birth into a creature much more savage than an orc.




                    The lack of cohesion between the lesser and greater is off putting. Lesser states "hostile to all" yet Greater states nothing.






                    share|improve this answer














                    Yes - RaW; it’s a magical effect causing a savings throw.



                    I've gone through and listed the viable targets up to lvl 9th spell @ CR 10 or below.



                    Much greater risk with summoning a demon with magic resistance, especially if you choose not to do the circle.



                    Valid target without Magic Resistance:



                    • Manes (CR 1/8)

                    • Abyssal Wretch (CR 1/4)

                    • Dretch (CR 1/4)

                    • Maw Demon (CR 1)

                    • Rutterkin (CR 2)

                    • Bulezau (CR 3)

                    • Babau (CR 4)

                    • Shadow Demon (CR 4)

                    • Barlgura (CR 5)

                    • Draegloth* (CR 7)

                    • Shoosuva (CR 8)

                    Valid target with Magic Resistance:



                    • Quasit (CR 1)

                    • Dybbuk (CR 4)

                    • Tanarukk* (CR 5)

                    • Chasme (CR 6)

                    • Vrock (CR 6)

                    • Armanite (CR 7)

                    • Maurezhi (CR 7)

                    • Hezrou (CR 8)

                    • Glabrezu (CR 9)

                    • Yochlol (CR 10)

                    *I count as invalid targets, being they are not natural to the Abyssal plane and already a corrupted humanoid.




                    *Draegloth - A draegloth is a half-drow, half-glabrezu demon, born of a drow high priestess in an unholy, dangerous ritual.



                    *Tanarukk - The demon lord Baphomet gladly shares the secret of creating tanarukks with those who entreat him for power. The process corrupts an unborn orc of the tribe, transforming it at birth into a creature much more savage than an orc.




                    The lack of cohesion between the lesser and greater is off putting. Lesser states "hostile to all" yet Greater states nothing.







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                    • I am not sure I understand what you are trying to say here, including if you agree or disagree, and your formatting feels more like a dropping of related ideas without a structure.
                      – NautArch
                      Nov 19 at 17:27











                    • How do you know this wasn't part of the balance consideration for the spell?
                      – David Coffron
                      Nov 19 at 17:35






                    • 1




                      I'll also point out that Barlgura and Shadow Demon are specifically called out by the spell description (as examples) meaning this is likely working as intended (since a knowledgeable character like Xanthar probably knows what demons are easiest to control).
                      – David Coffron
                      Nov 19 at 17:47






                    • 2




                      There are actually 12 demons that qualify for summoning currently. 3 have magic resistance: Tanarukk, Dybbuk, Quasit.
                      – Rubiksmoose
                      Nov 19 at 17:56






                    • 1




                      Outside of personal opinion, can you support your statement about the Tanarukk being invalid?
                      – NautArch
                      Nov 20 at 15:20

















                    • I am not sure I understand what you are trying to say here, including if you agree or disagree, and your formatting feels more like a dropping of related ideas without a structure.
                      – NautArch
                      Nov 19 at 17:27











                    • How do you know this wasn't part of the balance consideration for the spell?
                      – David Coffron
                      Nov 19 at 17:35






                    • 1




                      I'll also point out that Barlgura and Shadow Demon are specifically called out by the spell description (as examples) meaning this is likely working as intended (since a knowledgeable character like Xanthar probably knows what demons are easiest to control).
                      – David Coffron
                      Nov 19 at 17:47






                    • 2




                      There are actually 12 demons that qualify for summoning currently. 3 have magic resistance: Tanarukk, Dybbuk, Quasit.
                      – Rubiksmoose
                      Nov 19 at 17:56






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                      Outside of personal opinion, can you support your statement about the Tanarukk being invalid?
                      – NautArch
                      Nov 20 at 15:20
















                    I am not sure I understand what you are trying to say here, including if you agree or disagree, and your formatting feels more like a dropping of related ideas without a structure.
                    – NautArch
                    Nov 19 at 17:27





                    I am not sure I understand what you are trying to say here, including if you agree or disagree, and your formatting feels more like a dropping of related ideas without a structure.
                    – NautArch
                    Nov 19 at 17:27













                    How do you know this wasn't part of the balance consideration for the spell?
                    – David Coffron
                    Nov 19 at 17:35




                    How do you know this wasn't part of the balance consideration for the spell?
                    – David Coffron
                    Nov 19 at 17:35




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                    I'll also point out that Barlgura and Shadow Demon are specifically called out by the spell description (as examples) meaning this is likely working as intended (since a knowledgeable character like Xanthar probably knows what demons are easiest to control).
                    – David Coffron
                    Nov 19 at 17:47




                    I'll also point out that Barlgura and Shadow Demon are specifically called out by the spell description (as examples) meaning this is likely working as intended (since a knowledgeable character like Xanthar probably knows what demons are easiest to control).
                    – David Coffron
                    Nov 19 at 17:47




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                    There are actually 12 demons that qualify for summoning currently. 3 have magic resistance: Tanarukk, Dybbuk, Quasit.
                    – Rubiksmoose
                    Nov 19 at 17:56




                    There are actually 12 demons that qualify for summoning currently. 3 have magic resistance: Tanarukk, Dybbuk, Quasit.
                    – Rubiksmoose
                    Nov 19 at 17:56




                    1




                    1




                    Outside of personal opinion, can you support your statement about the Tanarukk being invalid?
                    – NautArch
                    Nov 20 at 15:20





                    Outside of personal opinion, can you support your statement about the Tanarukk being invalid?
                    – NautArch
                    Nov 20 at 15:20











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