Universal Property of Quotient Field

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I have following question about Universal Property for Quotient Field that leads me to following contradiction:



The statement is: Let $R$ be an intergal domain and $phi: R to F$ is a ring morphism. Futhermore, let $i: R to Q(R)$ be the canonic inclusion. Then there exist a unique morphism $barphi: Q(R) to F$ with $phi = barphi circ i$.



Then I consider following example: Let $R = mathbbZ, F = mathbbZ/(p)$ for a prime $p$. Let $phi: mathbbZ to mathbbZ/(p)$ be the canonic projection. Obviously, $phi neq 0$. But on the other hand the extension $barphi: mathbbQ= Q(mathbbZ) to mathbbZ/(p)$ is obviously zero map since in $mathbbQ= Q(mathbbZ)$ we have $1 = fracpp$ and therefore $barphi(1)=0$. Where is the error in my reasonings?










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  • It can be made to work as long as your restrict to the subring of rationals writable with denominator coprime to $,p,,$ as I explain in my answer.
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I have following question about Universal Property for Quotient Field that leads me to following contradiction:



The statement is: Let $R$ be an intergal domain and $phi: R to F$ is a ring morphism. Futhermore, let $i: R to Q(R)$ be the canonic inclusion. Then there exist a unique morphism $barphi: Q(R) to F$ with $phi = barphi circ i$.



Then I consider following example: Let $R = mathbbZ, F = mathbbZ/(p)$ for a prime $p$. Let $phi: mathbbZ to mathbbZ/(p)$ be the canonic projection. Obviously, $phi neq 0$. But on the other hand the extension $barphi: mathbbQ= Q(mathbbZ) to mathbbZ/(p)$ is obviously zero map since in $mathbbQ= Q(mathbbZ)$ we have $1 = fracpp$ and therefore $barphi(1)=0$. Where is the error in my reasonings?










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  • It can be made to work as long as your restrict to the subring of rationals writable with denominator coprime to $,p,,$ as I explain in my answer.
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I have following question about Universal Property for Quotient Field that leads me to following contradiction:



The statement is: Let $R$ be an intergal domain and $phi: R to F$ is a ring morphism. Futhermore, let $i: R to Q(R)$ be the canonic inclusion. Then there exist a unique morphism $barphi: Q(R) to F$ with $phi = barphi circ i$.



Then I consider following example: Let $R = mathbbZ, F = mathbbZ/(p)$ for a prime $p$. Let $phi: mathbbZ to mathbbZ/(p)$ be the canonic projection. Obviously, $phi neq 0$. But on the other hand the extension $barphi: mathbbQ= Q(mathbbZ) to mathbbZ/(p)$ is obviously zero map since in $mathbbQ= Q(mathbbZ)$ we have $1 = fracpp$ and therefore $barphi(1)=0$. Where is the error in my reasonings?










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I have following question about Universal Property for Quotient Field that leads me to following contradiction:



The statement is: Let $R$ be an intergal domain and $phi: R to F$ is a ring morphism. Futhermore, let $i: R to Q(R)$ be the canonic inclusion. Then there exist a unique morphism $barphi: Q(R) to F$ with $phi = barphi circ i$.



Then I consider following example: Let $R = mathbbZ, F = mathbbZ/(p)$ for a prime $p$. Let $phi: mathbbZ to mathbbZ/(p)$ be the canonic projection. Obviously, $phi neq 0$. But on the other hand the extension $barphi: mathbbQ= Q(mathbbZ) to mathbbZ/(p)$ is obviously zero map since in $mathbbQ= Q(mathbbZ)$ we have $1 = fracpp$ and therefore $barphi(1)=0$. Where is the error in my reasonings?







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  • It can be made to work as long as your restrict to the subring of rationals writable with denominator coprime to $,p,,$ as I explain in my answer.
    – Bill Dubuque
    35 mins ago

















  • It can be made to work as long as your restrict to the subring of rationals writable with denominator coprime to $,p,,$ as I explain in my answer.
    – Bill Dubuque
    35 mins ago
















It can be made to work as long as your restrict to the subring of rationals writable with denominator coprime to $,p,,$ as I explain in my answer.
– Bill Dubuque
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It can be made to work as long as your restrict to the subring of rationals writable with denominator coprime to $,p,,$ as I explain in my answer.
– Bill Dubuque
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The ring homomorphisms $phi:Rto F$ is required to be injective (and $F$ is required to be a field).
See here for example.
More generally, a ring homomorphism $phi:Rto F$ extends to a ring homomorphism $Q(R)to F$ if and only if $phi$ maps every non-zero element of $R$ into a unit in $F$.






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  • Technically true but not the best way to view it conceptually. Rather. the point is that the map must send denominators to unis since they are units in the fraction field. Viewing it this way shows how to workaround the obstruction, as I explain in my answer.
    – Bill Dubuque
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Your statement of the universal property is incorrect. It only applies when the homomorphism $phi:Rto F$ is injective.






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    The theorem requires that the map sends denominators into units, which fails for denominators that are multiples of $p$. We can work around this if we restrict to fractions having denominators coprime to $p$. Then, by a similar proof, the natural ring map of $,Bbb Z,$ into $,Bbb Z/p,$ extends to the subring of $,Bbb Q,$ of fractions writable with denominator coprime to $p$, via $,a/b mapsto ab^-1pmod p.,$ This implies that it is valid to use such fractions when working in $,Bbb Z/p.,$ You can find many examples of such modular fraction arithmetic in my posts here.






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      The ring homomorphisms $phi:Rto F$ is required to be injective (and $F$ is required to be a field).
      See here for example.
      More generally, a ring homomorphism $phi:Rto F$ extends to a ring homomorphism $Q(R)to F$ if and only if $phi$ maps every non-zero element of $R$ into a unit in $F$.






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      • Technically true but not the best way to view it conceptually. Rather. the point is that the map must send denominators to unis since they are units in the fraction field. Viewing it this way shows how to workaround the obstruction, as I explain in my answer.
        – Bill Dubuque
        30 mins ago















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      The ring homomorphisms $phi:Rto F$ is required to be injective (and $F$ is required to be a field).
      See here for example.
      More generally, a ring homomorphism $phi:Rto F$ extends to a ring homomorphism $Q(R)to F$ if and only if $phi$ maps every non-zero element of $R$ into a unit in $F$.






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      • Technically true but not the best way to view it conceptually. Rather. the point is that the map must send denominators to unis since they are units in the fraction field. Viewing it this way shows how to workaround the obstruction, as I explain in my answer.
        – Bill Dubuque
        30 mins ago













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      The ring homomorphisms $phi:Rto F$ is required to be injective (and $F$ is required to be a field).
      See here for example.
      More generally, a ring homomorphism $phi:Rto F$ extends to a ring homomorphism $Q(R)to F$ if and only if $phi$ maps every non-zero element of $R$ into a unit in $F$.






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      The ring homomorphisms $phi:Rto F$ is required to be injective (and $F$ is required to be a field).
      See here for example.
      More generally, a ring homomorphism $phi:Rto F$ extends to a ring homomorphism $Q(R)to F$ if and only if $phi$ maps every non-zero element of $R$ into a unit in $F$.







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      • Technically true but not the best way to view it conceptually. Rather. the point is that the map must send denominators to unis since they are units in the fraction field. Viewing it this way shows how to workaround the obstruction, as I explain in my answer.
        – Bill Dubuque
        30 mins ago

















      • Technically true but not the best way to view it conceptually. Rather. the point is that the map must send denominators to unis since they are units in the fraction field. Viewing it this way shows how to workaround the obstruction, as I explain in my answer.
        – Bill Dubuque
        30 mins ago
















      Technically true but not the best way to view it conceptually. Rather. the point is that the map must send denominators to unis since they are units in the fraction field. Viewing it this way shows how to workaround the obstruction, as I explain in my answer.
      – Bill Dubuque
      30 mins ago





      Technically true but not the best way to view it conceptually. Rather. the point is that the map must send denominators to unis since they are units in the fraction field. Viewing it this way shows how to workaround the obstruction, as I explain in my answer.
      – Bill Dubuque
      30 mins ago











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      Your statement of the universal property is incorrect. It only applies when the homomorphism $phi:Rto F$ is injective.






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        Your statement of the universal property is incorrect. It only applies when the homomorphism $phi:Rto F$ is injective.






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          Your statement of the universal property is incorrect. It only applies when the homomorphism $phi:Rto F$ is injective.






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          Your statement of the universal property is incorrect. It only applies when the homomorphism $phi:Rto F$ is injective.







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              The theorem requires that the map sends denominators into units, which fails for denominators that are multiples of $p$. We can work around this if we restrict to fractions having denominators coprime to $p$. Then, by a similar proof, the natural ring map of $,Bbb Z,$ into $,Bbb Z/p,$ extends to the subring of $,Bbb Q,$ of fractions writable with denominator coprime to $p$, via $,a/b mapsto ab^-1pmod p.,$ This implies that it is valid to use such fractions when working in $,Bbb Z/p.,$ You can find many examples of such modular fraction arithmetic in my posts here.






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                The theorem requires that the map sends denominators into units, which fails for denominators that are multiples of $p$. We can work around this if we restrict to fractions having denominators coprime to $p$. Then, by a similar proof, the natural ring map of $,Bbb Z,$ into $,Bbb Z/p,$ extends to the subring of $,Bbb Q,$ of fractions writable with denominator coprime to $p$, via $,a/b mapsto ab^-1pmod p.,$ This implies that it is valid to use such fractions when working in $,Bbb Z/p.,$ You can find many examples of such modular fraction arithmetic in my posts here.






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                  The theorem requires that the map sends denominators into units, which fails for denominators that are multiples of $p$. We can work around this if we restrict to fractions having denominators coprime to $p$. Then, by a similar proof, the natural ring map of $,Bbb Z,$ into $,Bbb Z/p,$ extends to the subring of $,Bbb Q,$ of fractions writable with denominator coprime to $p$, via $,a/b mapsto ab^-1pmod p.,$ This implies that it is valid to use such fractions when working in $,Bbb Z/p.,$ You can find many examples of such modular fraction arithmetic in my posts here.






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                  The theorem requires that the map sends denominators into units, which fails for denominators that are multiples of $p$. We can work around this if we restrict to fractions having denominators coprime to $p$. Then, by a similar proof, the natural ring map of $,Bbb Z,$ into $,Bbb Z/p,$ extends to the subring of $,Bbb Q,$ of fractions writable with denominator coprime to $p$, via $,a/b mapsto ab^-1pmod p.,$ This implies that it is valid to use such fractions when working in $,Bbb Z/p.,$ You can find many examples of such modular fraction arithmetic in my posts here.







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