Reason for a Chanukah Minhag

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Are there any authorities who suggest that the reason for the Minhag for women to avoid Melacha (creative work) while the Chanukah candles are lit is because we are worried they may come to use the chanukah candles light (which is prohibited)?



Bonus: Are there any Poskim who therefore suggest that since we now have a 'Shamash' candle and/or electricity (which are permitted to be used), this minhag no longer applies?










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  • "now" is the shamash such a recent invention? is it so universal?
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  • @DoubleAA very true, I was just anticipating that if I asked just about electricity, people would reply with "what about the Shamash!?"
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Are there any authorities who suggest that the reason for the Minhag for women to avoid Melacha (creative work) while the Chanukah candles are lit is because we are worried they may come to use the chanukah candles light (which is prohibited)?



Bonus: Are there any Poskim who therefore suggest that since we now have a 'Shamash' candle and/or electricity (which are permitted to be used), this minhag no longer applies?










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  • "now" is the shamash such a recent invention? is it so universal?
    – Double AA♦
    1 hour ago











  • @DoubleAA very true, I was just anticipating that if I asked just about electricity, people would reply with "what about the Shamash!?"
    – ×¨×‘ות מחשבות
    1 hour ago












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Are there any authorities who suggest that the reason for the Minhag for women to avoid Melacha (creative work) while the Chanukah candles are lit is because we are worried they may come to use the chanukah candles light (which is prohibited)?



Bonus: Are there any Poskim who therefore suggest that since we now have a 'Shamash' candle and/or electricity (which are permitted to be used), this minhag no longer applies?










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Are there any authorities who suggest that the reason for the Minhag for women to avoid Melacha (creative work) while the Chanukah candles are lit is because we are worried they may come to use the chanukah candles light (which is prohibited)?



Bonus: Are there any Poskim who therefore suggest that since we now have a 'Shamash' candle and/or electricity (which are permitted to be used), this minhag no longer applies?







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  • "now" is the shamash such a recent invention? is it so universal?
    – Double AA♦
    1 hour ago











  • @DoubleAA very true, I was just anticipating that if I asked just about electricity, people would reply with "what about the Shamash!?"
    – ×¨×‘ות מחשבות
    1 hour ago
















  • "now" is the shamash such a recent invention? is it so universal?
    – Double AA♦
    1 hour ago











  • @DoubleAA very true, I was just anticipating that if I asked just about electricity, people would reply with "what about the Shamash!?"
    – ×¨×‘ות מחשבות
    1 hour ago















"now" is the shamash such a recent invention? is it so universal?
– Double AA♦
1 hour ago





"now" is the shamash such a recent invention? is it so universal?
– Double AA♦
1 hour ago













@DoubleAA very true, I was just anticipating that if I asked just about electricity, people would reply with "what about the Shamash!?"
– ×¨×‘ות מחשבות
1 hour ago




@DoubleAA very true, I was just anticipating that if I asked just about electricity, people would reply with "what about the Shamash!?"
– ×¨×‘ות מחשבות
1 hour ago










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Not precisely as you say, but the Be'er Hagolah (OC 670:3) quotes the Beis Yosef who writes that the reason is in order that it should be a reminder for them that it is forbidden to use the light from the candles.



Ö½Ö½As far as your bonus question, while it's quite difficult to prove a negative, but I haven't heard of any opinions that say such a thing. Also, the "Shamash" isn't a new invention, it's mentioned in Shulchan Aruch (OC 671:5), so it's highly unlikely that anyone is going to come now and say that.






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  • I thought the suggestion of a Shamash was found in the Gemara Shabbos
    – David Kenner
    1 hour ago










  • @DavidKenner Shabbat 21b: אמר רבא צריך נר אחרת להשתמש לאורה
    – Alex
    28 mins ago










  • @Alex yup, Thanks
    – David Kenner
    15 mins ago


















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Not precisely as you say, but the Be'er Hagolah (OC 670:3) quotes the Beis Yosef who writes that the reason is in order that it should be a reminder for them that it is forbidden to use the light from the candles.



Ö½Ö½As far as your bonus question, while it's quite difficult to prove a negative, but I haven't heard of any opinions that say such a thing. Also, the "Shamash" isn't a new invention, it's mentioned in Shulchan Aruch (OC 671:5), so it's highly unlikely that anyone is going to come now and say that.






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  • I thought the suggestion of a Shamash was found in the Gemara Shabbos
    – David Kenner
    1 hour ago










  • @DavidKenner Shabbat 21b: אמר רבא צריך נר אחרת להשתמש לאורה
    – Alex
    28 mins ago










  • @Alex yup, Thanks
    – David Kenner
    15 mins ago














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Not precisely as you say, but the Be'er Hagolah (OC 670:3) quotes the Beis Yosef who writes that the reason is in order that it should be a reminder for them that it is forbidden to use the light from the candles.



Ö½Ö½As far as your bonus question, while it's quite difficult to prove a negative, but I haven't heard of any opinions that say such a thing. Also, the "Shamash" isn't a new invention, it's mentioned in Shulchan Aruch (OC 671:5), so it's highly unlikely that anyone is going to come now and say that.






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  • I thought the suggestion of a Shamash was found in the Gemara Shabbos
    – David Kenner
    1 hour ago










  • @DavidKenner Shabbat 21b: אמר רבא צריך נר אחרת להשתמש לאורה
    – Alex
    28 mins ago










  • @Alex yup, Thanks
    – David Kenner
    15 mins ago












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Not precisely as you say, but the Be'er Hagolah (OC 670:3) quotes the Beis Yosef who writes that the reason is in order that it should be a reminder for them that it is forbidden to use the light from the candles.



Ö½Ö½As far as your bonus question, while it's quite difficult to prove a negative, but I haven't heard of any opinions that say such a thing. Also, the "Shamash" isn't a new invention, it's mentioned in Shulchan Aruch (OC 671:5), so it's highly unlikely that anyone is going to come now and say that.






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Not precisely as you say, but the Be'er Hagolah (OC 670:3) quotes the Beis Yosef who writes that the reason is in order that it should be a reminder for them that it is forbidden to use the light from the candles.



Ö½Ö½As far as your bonus question, while it's quite difficult to prove a negative, but I haven't heard of any opinions that say such a thing. Also, the "Shamash" isn't a new invention, it's mentioned in Shulchan Aruch (OC 671:5), so it's highly unlikely that anyone is going to come now and say that.







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  • I thought the suggestion of a Shamash was found in the Gemara Shabbos
    – David Kenner
    1 hour ago










  • @DavidKenner Shabbat 21b: אמר רבא צריך נר אחרת להשתמש לאורה
    – Alex
    28 mins ago










  • @Alex yup, Thanks
    – David Kenner
    15 mins ago
















  • I thought the suggestion of a Shamash was found in the Gemara Shabbos
    – David Kenner
    1 hour ago










  • @DavidKenner Shabbat 21b: אמר רבא צריך נר אחרת להשתמש לאורה
    – Alex
    28 mins ago










  • @Alex yup, Thanks
    – David Kenner
    15 mins ago















I thought the suggestion of a Shamash was found in the Gemara Shabbos
– David Kenner
1 hour ago




I thought the suggestion of a Shamash was found in the Gemara Shabbos
– David Kenner
1 hour ago












@DavidKenner Shabbat 21b: אמר רבא צריך נר אחרת להשתמש לאורה
– Alex
28 mins ago




@DavidKenner Shabbat 21b: אמר רבא צריך נר אחרת להשתמש לאורה
– Alex
28 mins ago












@Alex yup, Thanks
– David Kenner
15 mins ago




@Alex yup, Thanks
– David Kenner
15 mins ago


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