Can a character maintain concentration on a readied spell after being affected by the Feeblemind spell?

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A caster T readies a spell on their turn, then an enemy caster E targets them with feeblemind. T passes the Constitution save against the 4d6 psychic damage to maintain concentration, but fails the Intelligence save and suffers the greater effects of feeblemind.



As I understand it, readying a spell casts the spell but does not release it.



Feeblemind says of the target, in part:




It can't cast spells, activate magic items, understand language, or
communicate legibly by any means. However, it can identify allies, and
follow and protect them.




Since T has already cast the spell while readying it, does T lose the readied spell when they are affected by feeblemind?










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    A caster T readies a spell on their turn, then an enemy caster E targets them with feeblemind. T passes the Constitution save against the 4d6 psychic damage to maintain concentration, but fails the Intelligence save and suffers the greater effects of feeblemind.



    As I understand it, readying a spell casts the spell but does not release it.



    Feeblemind says of the target, in part:




    It can't cast spells, activate magic items, understand language, or
    communicate legibly by any means. However, it can identify allies, and
    follow and protect them.




    Since T has already cast the spell while readying it, does T lose the readied spell when they are affected by feeblemind?










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      A caster T readies a spell on their turn, then an enemy caster E targets them with feeblemind. T passes the Constitution save against the 4d6 psychic damage to maintain concentration, but fails the Intelligence save and suffers the greater effects of feeblemind.



      As I understand it, readying a spell casts the spell but does not release it.



      Feeblemind says of the target, in part:




      It can't cast spells, activate magic items, understand language, or
      communicate legibly by any means. However, it can identify allies, and
      follow and protect them.




      Since T has already cast the spell while readying it, does T lose the readied spell when they are affected by feeblemind?










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      A caster T readies a spell on their turn, then an enemy caster E targets them with feeblemind. T passes the Constitution save against the 4d6 psychic damage to maintain concentration, but fails the Intelligence save and suffers the greater effects of feeblemind.



      As I understand it, readying a spell casts the spell but does not release it.



      Feeblemind says of the target, in part:




      It can't cast spells, activate magic items, understand language, or
      communicate legibly by any means. However, it can identify allies, and
      follow and protect them.




      Since T has already cast the spell while readying it, does T lose the readied spell when they are affected by feeblemind?







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          The readied spell is not lost



          The description of the Ready action (PHB p. 193) says:




          When you ready a spell, you cast it as normal but hold its energy, which you release with your reaction when the trigger occurs. To be readied, a spell must have a casting time of 1 action, and holding onto the spell's magic requires concentration. If your concentration is broken, the spell dissipates without taking effect.




          So you cast the spell first, and afterwards you are simply "holding" its energy. Since feeblemind does not specify that the target loses the ability to "hold" or "release" the energy of spells (only that they cannot "cast" them), there is nothing stopping the caster from doing those things.






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            RAW: No, you can maintain concentration - but you might have to do an extra DC 10 Constitution saving throw to do so



            As concentration is a Constitution saving throw, which is not affected by feeblemind, there is no reason why you should not be capable to keep concentrating on the spell.



            The rules on concentration specify the following reasons for loosing concentration




            • Casting another spell that requires concentration. [...]


            • Taking damage. [...]


            • Being incapacitated or killed. [...]


            The DM might also decide that certain environmental phenomena, such as a wave crashing over you while you're on a storm-tossed ship, require you to succeed on a DC 10 Constitution saving throw to maintain concentration on a spell.




            The first 3 reasons do not apply, and the fourth is at your DM's discretion.



            Similar situations such as polymorph also do not make you lose concentration. The druid's Wild Shape feature actually explicitly mentions that you can maintain concentration:




            You can't cast spells, [...] Transforming doesn’t break your concentration on a spell you’ve already cast, however, or prevent you from taking actions that are part of a spell, such as call lightning, that you’ve already cast.




            So, the RAW says that no, you can keep concentrating. Though your DM might force an extra Con save.



            As a DM, I would allow you to keep concentrating under the condition that you use the spell the first chance you get.






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            • Why an extra concentration save when OP indicates they already passed a concentration save after the spell hits? That should only be required if the caster T has readied a spell that requires concentration. Readying a spell requires that you concentrate on it, and a readied spell that requires concentration does not have that concentration kick in until it is triggered (just like a readied spell's duration and effect(s)).
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              @TylerH because a readied spell requires concentration. And the 1 check was for the damage. The extra check falks under reason 4 the dm might say the schock of losing al higher brain function might require an seperate check
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              That's unfair to the player; caster T already made the Constitution save. The effects and damage don't occur in order, but rather simultaneously (a player could roll two dice simultaneously and say "the green die will be for the Intelligence save, and the red die for the Constitution save"); the Constitution save they made first would just as well apply to the "shock of losing higher brain function" upon failing the Intelligence save. You make only one Constitution saving throw per each source (e.g. attack) of damage or distraction; in this case, one Con save for one spell: Feeblemind.
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            • @TylerH i did not find the only one per source rule. Do you have a reference? Because i could think of a similar case with a spell that damages and pushes you. You would have to save for the damage and for the fact you then get thrown across the room. Plus see my final comment I personally don't want to apply it like this but as far as i know the RAW this is what it is. RAI probably would require only one save. Or picking the highest of the two.
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              I agree but the second case is not because of damage
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            The readied spell is not lost



            The description of the Ready action (PHB p. 193) says:




            When you ready a spell, you cast it as normal but hold its energy, which you release with your reaction when the trigger occurs. To be readied, a spell must have a casting time of 1 action, and holding onto the spell's magic requires concentration. If your concentration is broken, the spell dissipates without taking effect.




            So you cast the spell first, and afterwards you are simply "holding" its energy. Since feeblemind does not specify that the target loses the ability to "hold" or "release" the energy of spells (only that they cannot "cast" them), there is nothing stopping the caster from doing those things.






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              The readied spell is not lost



              The description of the Ready action (PHB p. 193) says:




              When you ready a spell, you cast it as normal but hold its energy, which you release with your reaction when the trigger occurs. To be readied, a spell must have a casting time of 1 action, and holding onto the spell's magic requires concentration. If your concentration is broken, the spell dissipates without taking effect.




              So you cast the spell first, and afterwards you are simply "holding" its energy. Since feeblemind does not specify that the target loses the ability to "hold" or "release" the energy of spells (only that they cannot "cast" them), there is nothing stopping the caster from doing those things.






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                The readied spell is not lost



                The description of the Ready action (PHB p. 193) says:




                When you ready a spell, you cast it as normal but hold its energy, which you release with your reaction when the trigger occurs. To be readied, a spell must have a casting time of 1 action, and holding onto the spell's magic requires concentration. If your concentration is broken, the spell dissipates without taking effect.




                So you cast the spell first, and afterwards you are simply "holding" its energy. Since feeblemind does not specify that the target loses the ability to "hold" or "release" the energy of spells (only that they cannot "cast" them), there is nothing stopping the caster from doing those things.






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                The readied spell is not lost



                The description of the Ready action (PHB p. 193) says:




                When you ready a spell, you cast it as normal but hold its energy, which you release with your reaction when the trigger occurs. To be readied, a spell must have a casting time of 1 action, and holding onto the spell's magic requires concentration. If your concentration is broken, the spell dissipates without taking effect.




                So you cast the spell first, and afterwards you are simply "holding" its energy. Since feeblemind does not specify that the target loses the ability to "hold" or "release" the energy of spells (only that they cannot "cast" them), there is nothing stopping the caster from doing those things.







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                    RAW: No, you can maintain concentration - but you might have to do an extra DC 10 Constitution saving throw to do so



                    As concentration is a Constitution saving throw, which is not affected by feeblemind, there is no reason why you should not be capable to keep concentrating on the spell.



                    The rules on concentration specify the following reasons for loosing concentration




                    • Casting another spell that requires concentration. [...]


                    • Taking damage. [...]


                    • Being incapacitated or killed. [...]


                    The DM might also decide that certain environmental phenomena, such as a wave crashing over you while you're on a storm-tossed ship, require you to succeed on a DC 10 Constitution saving throw to maintain concentration on a spell.




                    The first 3 reasons do not apply, and the fourth is at your DM's discretion.



                    Similar situations such as polymorph also do not make you lose concentration. The druid's Wild Shape feature actually explicitly mentions that you can maintain concentration:




                    You can't cast spells, [...] Transforming doesn’t break your concentration on a spell you’ve already cast, however, or prevent you from taking actions that are part of a spell, such as call lightning, that you’ve already cast.




                    So, the RAW says that no, you can keep concentrating. Though your DM might force an extra Con save.



                    As a DM, I would allow you to keep concentrating under the condition that you use the spell the first chance you get.






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                    • Why an extra concentration save when OP indicates they already passed a concentration save after the spell hits? That should only be required if the caster T has readied a spell that requires concentration. Readying a spell requires that you concentrate on it, and a readied spell that requires concentration does not have that concentration kick in until it is triggered (just like a readied spell's duration and effect(s)).
                      – TylerH
                      3 hours ago






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                      @TylerH because a readied spell requires concentration. And the 1 check was for the damage. The extra check falks under reason 4 the dm might say the schock of losing al higher brain function might require an seperate check
                      – Dinomaster
                      2 hours ago






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                      That's unfair to the player; caster T already made the Constitution save. The effects and damage don't occur in order, but rather simultaneously (a player could roll two dice simultaneously and say "the green die will be for the Intelligence save, and the red die for the Constitution save"); the Constitution save they made first would just as well apply to the "shock of losing higher brain function" upon failing the Intelligence save. You make only one Constitution saving throw per each source (e.g. attack) of damage or distraction; in this case, one Con save for one spell: Feeblemind.
                      – TylerH
                      2 hours ago










                    • @TylerH i did not find the only one per source rule. Do you have a reference? Because i could think of a similar case with a spell that damages and pushes you. You would have to save for the damage and for the fact you then get thrown across the room. Plus see my final comment I personally don't want to apply it like this but as far as i know the RAW this is what it is. RAI probably would require only one save. Or picking the highest of the two.
                      – Dinomaster
                      1 hour ago






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                      I agree but the second case is not because of damage
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                    RAW: No, you can maintain concentration - but you might have to do an extra DC 10 Constitution saving throw to do so



                    As concentration is a Constitution saving throw, which is not affected by feeblemind, there is no reason why you should not be capable to keep concentrating on the spell.



                    The rules on concentration specify the following reasons for loosing concentration




                    • Casting another spell that requires concentration. [...]


                    • Taking damage. [...]


                    • Being incapacitated or killed. [...]


                    The DM might also decide that certain environmental phenomena, such as a wave crashing over you while you're on a storm-tossed ship, require you to succeed on a DC 10 Constitution saving throw to maintain concentration on a spell.




                    The first 3 reasons do not apply, and the fourth is at your DM's discretion.



                    Similar situations such as polymorph also do not make you lose concentration. The druid's Wild Shape feature actually explicitly mentions that you can maintain concentration:




                    You can't cast spells, [...] Transforming doesn’t break your concentration on a spell you’ve already cast, however, or prevent you from taking actions that are part of a spell, such as call lightning, that you’ve already cast.




                    So, the RAW says that no, you can keep concentrating. Though your DM might force an extra Con save.



                    As a DM, I would allow you to keep concentrating under the condition that you use the spell the first chance you get.






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                    • Why an extra concentration save when OP indicates they already passed a concentration save after the spell hits? That should only be required if the caster T has readied a spell that requires concentration. Readying a spell requires that you concentrate on it, and a readied spell that requires concentration does not have that concentration kick in until it is triggered (just like a readied spell's duration and effect(s)).
                      – TylerH
                      3 hours ago






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                      @TylerH because a readied spell requires concentration. And the 1 check was for the damage. The extra check falks under reason 4 the dm might say the schock of losing al higher brain function might require an seperate check
                      – Dinomaster
                      2 hours ago






                    • 1




                      That's unfair to the player; caster T already made the Constitution save. The effects and damage don't occur in order, but rather simultaneously (a player could roll two dice simultaneously and say "the green die will be for the Intelligence save, and the red die for the Constitution save"); the Constitution save they made first would just as well apply to the "shock of losing higher brain function" upon failing the Intelligence save. You make only one Constitution saving throw per each source (e.g. attack) of damage or distraction; in this case, one Con save for one spell: Feeblemind.
                      – TylerH
                      2 hours ago










                    • @TylerH i did not find the only one per source rule. Do you have a reference? Because i could think of a similar case with a spell that damages and pushes you. You would have to save for the damage and for the fact you then get thrown across the room. Plus see my final comment I personally don't want to apply it like this but as far as i know the RAW this is what it is. RAI probably would require only one save. Or picking the highest of the two.
                      – Dinomaster
                      1 hour ago






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                      I agree but the second case is not because of damage
                      – Dinomaster
                      1 hour ago












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                    RAW: No, you can maintain concentration - but you might have to do an extra DC 10 Constitution saving throw to do so



                    As concentration is a Constitution saving throw, which is not affected by feeblemind, there is no reason why you should not be capable to keep concentrating on the spell.



                    The rules on concentration specify the following reasons for loosing concentration




                    • Casting another spell that requires concentration. [...]


                    • Taking damage. [...]


                    • Being incapacitated or killed. [...]


                    The DM might also decide that certain environmental phenomena, such as a wave crashing over you while you're on a storm-tossed ship, require you to succeed on a DC 10 Constitution saving throw to maintain concentration on a spell.




                    The first 3 reasons do not apply, and the fourth is at your DM's discretion.



                    Similar situations such as polymorph also do not make you lose concentration. The druid's Wild Shape feature actually explicitly mentions that you can maintain concentration:




                    You can't cast spells, [...] Transforming doesn’t break your concentration on a spell you’ve already cast, however, or prevent you from taking actions that are part of a spell, such as call lightning, that you’ve already cast.




                    So, the RAW says that no, you can keep concentrating. Though your DM might force an extra Con save.



                    As a DM, I would allow you to keep concentrating under the condition that you use the spell the first chance you get.






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                    RAW: No, you can maintain concentration - but you might have to do an extra DC 10 Constitution saving throw to do so



                    As concentration is a Constitution saving throw, which is not affected by feeblemind, there is no reason why you should not be capable to keep concentrating on the spell.



                    The rules on concentration specify the following reasons for loosing concentration




                    • Casting another spell that requires concentration. [...]


                    • Taking damage. [...]


                    • Being incapacitated or killed. [...]


                    The DM might also decide that certain environmental phenomena, such as a wave crashing over you while you're on a storm-tossed ship, require you to succeed on a DC 10 Constitution saving throw to maintain concentration on a spell.




                    The first 3 reasons do not apply, and the fourth is at your DM's discretion.



                    Similar situations such as polymorph also do not make you lose concentration. The druid's Wild Shape feature actually explicitly mentions that you can maintain concentration:




                    You can't cast spells, [...] Transforming doesn’t break your concentration on a spell you’ve already cast, however, or prevent you from taking actions that are part of a spell, such as call lightning, that you’ve already cast.




                    So, the RAW says that no, you can keep concentrating. Though your DM might force an extra Con save.



                    As a DM, I would allow you to keep concentrating under the condition that you use the spell the first chance you get.







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                    • Why an extra concentration save when OP indicates they already passed a concentration save after the spell hits? That should only be required if the caster T has readied a spell that requires concentration. Readying a spell requires that you concentrate on it, and a readied spell that requires concentration does not have that concentration kick in until it is triggered (just like a readied spell's duration and effect(s)).
                      – TylerH
                      3 hours ago






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                      @TylerH because a readied spell requires concentration. And the 1 check was for the damage. The extra check falks under reason 4 the dm might say the schock of losing al higher brain function might require an seperate check
                      – Dinomaster
                      2 hours ago






                    • 1




                      That's unfair to the player; caster T already made the Constitution save. The effects and damage don't occur in order, but rather simultaneously (a player could roll two dice simultaneously and say "the green die will be for the Intelligence save, and the red die for the Constitution save"); the Constitution save they made first would just as well apply to the "shock of losing higher brain function" upon failing the Intelligence save. You make only one Constitution saving throw per each source (e.g. attack) of damage or distraction; in this case, one Con save for one spell: Feeblemind.
                      – TylerH
                      2 hours ago










                    • @TylerH i did not find the only one per source rule. Do you have a reference? Because i could think of a similar case with a spell that damages and pushes you. You would have to save for the damage and for the fact you then get thrown across the room. Plus see my final comment I personally don't want to apply it like this but as far as i know the RAW this is what it is. RAI probably would require only one save. Or picking the highest of the two.
                      – Dinomaster
                      1 hour ago






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                      I agree but the second case is not because of damage
                      – Dinomaster
                      1 hour ago
















                    • Why an extra concentration save when OP indicates they already passed a concentration save after the spell hits? That should only be required if the caster T has readied a spell that requires concentration. Readying a spell requires that you concentrate on it, and a readied spell that requires concentration does not have that concentration kick in until it is triggered (just like a readied spell's duration and effect(s)).
                      – TylerH
                      3 hours ago






                    • 3




                      @TylerH because a readied spell requires concentration. And the 1 check was for the damage. The extra check falks under reason 4 the dm might say the schock of losing al higher brain function might require an seperate check
                      – Dinomaster
                      2 hours ago






                    • 1




                      That's unfair to the player; caster T already made the Constitution save. The effects and damage don't occur in order, but rather simultaneously (a player could roll two dice simultaneously and say "the green die will be for the Intelligence save, and the red die for the Constitution save"); the Constitution save they made first would just as well apply to the "shock of losing higher brain function" upon failing the Intelligence save. You make only one Constitution saving throw per each source (e.g. attack) of damage or distraction; in this case, one Con save for one spell: Feeblemind.
                      – TylerH
                      2 hours ago










                    • @TylerH i did not find the only one per source rule. Do you have a reference? Because i could think of a similar case with a spell that damages and pushes you. You would have to save for the damage and for the fact you then get thrown across the room. Plus see my final comment I personally don't want to apply it like this but as far as i know the RAW this is what it is. RAI probably would require only one save. Or picking the highest of the two.
                      – Dinomaster
                      1 hour ago






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                      I agree but the second case is not because of damage
                      – Dinomaster
                      1 hour ago















                    Why an extra concentration save when OP indicates they already passed a concentration save after the spell hits? That should only be required if the caster T has readied a spell that requires concentration. Readying a spell requires that you concentrate on it, and a readied spell that requires concentration does not have that concentration kick in until it is triggered (just like a readied spell's duration and effect(s)).
                    – TylerH
                    3 hours ago




                    Why an extra concentration save when OP indicates they already passed a concentration save after the spell hits? That should only be required if the caster T has readied a spell that requires concentration. Readying a spell requires that you concentrate on it, and a readied spell that requires concentration does not have that concentration kick in until it is triggered (just like a readied spell's duration and effect(s)).
                    – TylerH
                    3 hours ago




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                    @TylerH because a readied spell requires concentration. And the 1 check was for the damage. The extra check falks under reason 4 the dm might say the schock of losing al higher brain function might require an seperate check
                    – Dinomaster
                    2 hours ago




                    @TylerH because a readied spell requires concentration. And the 1 check was for the damage. The extra check falks under reason 4 the dm might say the schock of losing al higher brain function might require an seperate check
                    – Dinomaster
                    2 hours ago




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                    That's unfair to the player; caster T already made the Constitution save. The effects and damage don't occur in order, but rather simultaneously (a player could roll two dice simultaneously and say "the green die will be for the Intelligence save, and the red die for the Constitution save"); the Constitution save they made first would just as well apply to the "shock of losing higher brain function" upon failing the Intelligence save. You make only one Constitution saving throw per each source (e.g. attack) of damage or distraction; in this case, one Con save for one spell: Feeblemind.
                    – TylerH
                    2 hours ago




                    That's unfair to the player; caster T already made the Constitution save. The effects and damage don't occur in order, but rather simultaneously (a player could roll two dice simultaneously and say "the green die will be for the Intelligence save, and the red die for the Constitution save"); the Constitution save they made first would just as well apply to the "shock of losing higher brain function" upon failing the Intelligence save. You make only one Constitution saving throw per each source (e.g. attack) of damage or distraction; in this case, one Con save for one spell: Feeblemind.
                    – TylerH
                    2 hours ago












                    @TylerH i did not find the only one per source rule. Do you have a reference? Because i could think of a similar case with a spell that damages and pushes you. You would have to save for the damage and for the fact you then get thrown across the room. Plus see my final comment I personally don't want to apply it like this but as far as i know the RAW this is what it is. RAI probably would require only one save. Or picking the highest of the two.
                    – Dinomaster
                    1 hour ago




                    @TylerH i did not find the only one per source rule. Do you have a reference? Because i could think of a similar case with a spell that damages and pushes you. You would have to save for the damage and for the fact you then get thrown across the room. Plus see my final comment I personally don't want to apply it like this but as far as i know the RAW this is what it is. RAI probably would require only one save. Or picking the highest of the two.
                    – Dinomaster
                    1 hour ago




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                    I agree but the second case is not because of damage
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                    I agree but the second case is not because of damage
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