in which cases it will be problematic to configure UUID in fstab
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We are thinking about to change all Linux fstab configuration to work with UUID instead the current configuration
Some of the disks are with non RAID and some of the disks are with RAID10
I searched in google and find complain about using UUID for RAID1 :
" Unfortunately you MUST NOT use UUID in /etc/fstab if you use software RAID1. Why? Because the RAID volume itself and the first element of the mirror will appear to have the same filesystem UUID. If the mirror breaks or for any other reason the md device isn't started at boot, the system will mount any random underlying disk instead, clobbering your mirror. Then you'll need a full resync. Bad juju."
So I just want to know if we can use UUID for RAID10 ?
and in which cases ( RAID configuration ) not to use UUID?
second - in few lines what are the benefit to use UUID ?
linux raid fstab disk uuid
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We are thinking about to change all Linux fstab configuration to work with UUID instead the current configuration
Some of the disks are with non RAID and some of the disks are with RAID10
I searched in google and find complain about using UUID for RAID1 :
" Unfortunately you MUST NOT use UUID in /etc/fstab if you use software RAID1. Why? Because the RAID volume itself and the first element of the mirror will appear to have the same filesystem UUID. If the mirror breaks or for any other reason the md device isn't started at boot, the system will mount any random underlying disk instead, clobbering your mirror. Then you'll need a full resync. Bad juju."
So I just want to know if we can use UUID for RAID10 ?
and in which cases ( RAID configuration ) not to use UUID?
second - in few lines what are the benefit to use UUID ?
linux raid fstab disk uuid
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I wonder where that quote is from, and how old it is. Actually, now I also wonder if you cross-posted this to serverfault too, since there's quite an identical question there from just two hours earlier.
â ilkkachu
Dec 6 '17 at 17:44
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up vote
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We are thinking about to change all Linux fstab configuration to work with UUID instead the current configuration
Some of the disks are with non RAID and some of the disks are with RAID10
I searched in google and find complain about using UUID for RAID1 :
" Unfortunately you MUST NOT use UUID in /etc/fstab if you use software RAID1. Why? Because the RAID volume itself and the first element of the mirror will appear to have the same filesystem UUID. If the mirror breaks or for any other reason the md device isn't started at boot, the system will mount any random underlying disk instead, clobbering your mirror. Then you'll need a full resync. Bad juju."
So I just want to know if we can use UUID for RAID10 ?
and in which cases ( RAID configuration ) not to use UUID?
second - in few lines what are the benefit to use UUID ?
linux raid fstab disk uuid
We are thinking about to change all Linux fstab configuration to work with UUID instead the current configuration
Some of the disks are with non RAID and some of the disks are with RAID10
I searched in google and find complain about using UUID for RAID1 :
" Unfortunately you MUST NOT use UUID in /etc/fstab if you use software RAID1. Why? Because the RAID volume itself and the first element of the mirror will appear to have the same filesystem UUID. If the mirror breaks or for any other reason the md device isn't started at boot, the system will mount any random underlying disk instead, clobbering your mirror. Then you'll need a full resync. Bad juju."
So I just want to know if we can use UUID for RAID10 ?
and in which cases ( RAID configuration ) not to use UUID?
second - in few lines what are the benefit to use UUID ?
linux raid fstab disk uuid
asked Dec 6 '17 at 12:40
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I wonder where that quote is from, and how old it is. Actually, now I also wonder if you cross-posted this to serverfault too, since there's quite an identical question there from just two hours earlier.
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Dec 6 '17 at 17:44
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I wonder where that quote is from, and how old it is. Actually, now I also wonder if you cross-posted this to serverfault too, since there's quite an identical question there from just two hours earlier.
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Dec 6 '17 at 17:44
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I wonder where that quote is from, and how old it is. Actually, now I also wonder if you cross-posted this to serverfault too, since there's quite an identical question there from just two hours earlier.
â ilkkachu
Dec 6 '17 at 17:44
I wonder where that quote is from, and how old it is. Actually, now I also wonder if you cross-posted this to serverfault too, since there's quite an identical question there from just two hours earlier.
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Answer to your second question: an UUID allows you to uniquely identify a device.
Devices are assigned as /dev/sda
, /dev/sdb
, etc. depending on the order the system discovers them. While the drive the system boots on is always the first, for the others their name assignment depends on the order of discovery and might change after a reboot.
Also, imagine you have drives /dev/sdc
and /dev/sdd
, and you physically remove the first drive; after reboot, what was known as /dev/sdd
is now called /dev/sdc
.
This makes identification of devices ambiguous. UUIDs avoid all ambiguity; as the UUID is stored in the superblock (for a block device), it pertains to the device itself.
about RAID10 , can we be sure to use UUID for that?
â yael
Dec 6 '17 at 12:54
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Adding to @dr01 answer: about the RAID questions, you can also use UUID in RAID settings.
If using mdadm, the UUID will be stored in the local filesystem, if using hardware RAID, it will be presented as a virtual physical disk, which again will have a UUID.
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I think this is only an issue in cases where the data on the RAID device is also identically present in the same position on the underlying devices (or at least some of them). In practice that means the RAID formats where the RAID superblock (metadata) is at the end of the partition.
Since the UUID is part of the filesystem(*), the system must find a supported filesystem on the device first. Filesystems are identified by reading some set locations on the device, usually at the beginning, and looking for identifying signatures. If the same data is visible in the same position in a raw disk (like /dev/sda
) and a raid device (/dev/md0
) the same UUID can be found in two devices. Or more, if there are copies of the data on other devices, i.e. the other side of the mirror.
(* The UUIDs of GPT partitions are a different matter)
The Linux software RAID system knows of two main superblock formats, the original (v. 0.90) format puts the superblock at the end, and the current (v. 1) has three subformats for different positions of the superblock. Since the superblock formats 1.1 and 1.2 put the superblock in the beginning, they should be safe to use. 0.9 and 1.0 put the superblock at the end of the device, so they are the ones you can get into issues. /proc/mdstat
should show you the superblock format for each device.
The RAID wiki page also contains a warning about placing the superblock at the end of the device.
With RAID 0 or RAID 10 it's hard to read the filesystem through the underlying disks, since the data is striped. But the UUID's might still be detectable, so it's probably best to use the 1.2 format RAID superblock in
any case.
For ext2/3/4 filesystems, tune2fs -l $device
might be able to show you the filesystem UUID if it's possible to find (blkid
might find the RAID UUID instead.)
Note that I'm writing this based on my understanding of the documentation, I didn't explicitly test with a RAID superblock at the end.
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3 Answers
3
active
oldest
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3 Answers
3
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
up vote
1
down vote
accepted
Answer to your second question: an UUID allows you to uniquely identify a device.
Devices are assigned as /dev/sda
, /dev/sdb
, etc. depending on the order the system discovers them. While the drive the system boots on is always the first, for the others their name assignment depends on the order of discovery and might change after a reboot.
Also, imagine you have drives /dev/sdc
and /dev/sdd
, and you physically remove the first drive; after reboot, what was known as /dev/sdd
is now called /dev/sdc
.
This makes identification of devices ambiguous. UUIDs avoid all ambiguity; as the UUID is stored in the superblock (for a block device), it pertains to the device itself.
about RAID10 , can we be sure to use UUID for that?
â yael
Dec 6 '17 at 12:54
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
accepted
Answer to your second question: an UUID allows you to uniquely identify a device.
Devices are assigned as /dev/sda
, /dev/sdb
, etc. depending on the order the system discovers them. While the drive the system boots on is always the first, for the others their name assignment depends on the order of discovery and might change after a reboot.
Also, imagine you have drives /dev/sdc
and /dev/sdd
, and you physically remove the first drive; after reboot, what was known as /dev/sdd
is now called /dev/sdc
.
This makes identification of devices ambiguous. UUIDs avoid all ambiguity; as the UUID is stored in the superblock (for a block device), it pertains to the device itself.
about RAID10 , can we be sure to use UUID for that?
â yael
Dec 6 '17 at 12:54
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
accepted
up vote
1
down vote
accepted
Answer to your second question: an UUID allows you to uniquely identify a device.
Devices are assigned as /dev/sda
, /dev/sdb
, etc. depending on the order the system discovers them. While the drive the system boots on is always the first, for the others their name assignment depends on the order of discovery and might change after a reboot.
Also, imagine you have drives /dev/sdc
and /dev/sdd
, and you physically remove the first drive; after reboot, what was known as /dev/sdd
is now called /dev/sdc
.
This makes identification of devices ambiguous. UUIDs avoid all ambiguity; as the UUID is stored in the superblock (for a block device), it pertains to the device itself.
Answer to your second question: an UUID allows you to uniquely identify a device.
Devices are assigned as /dev/sda
, /dev/sdb
, etc. depending on the order the system discovers them. While the drive the system boots on is always the first, for the others their name assignment depends on the order of discovery and might change after a reboot.
Also, imagine you have drives /dev/sdc
and /dev/sdd
, and you physically remove the first drive; after reboot, what was known as /dev/sdd
is now called /dev/sdc
.
This makes identification of devices ambiguous. UUIDs avoid all ambiguity; as the UUID is stored in the superblock (for a block device), it pertains to the device itself.
edited Dec 6 '17 at 12:55
answered Dec 6 '17 at 12:51
dr01
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about RAID10 , can we be sure to use UUID for that?
â yael
Dec 6 '17 at 12:54
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about RAID10 , can we be sure to use UUID for that?
â yael
Dec 6 '17 at 12:54
about RAID10 , can we be sure to use UUID for that?
â yael
Dec 6 '17 at 12:54
about RAID10 , can we be sure to use UUID for that?
â yael
Dec 6 '17 at 12:54
add a comment |Â
up vote
2
down vote
Adding to @dr01 answer: about the RAID questions, you can also use UUID in RAID settings.
If using mdadm, the UUID will be stored in the local filesystem, if using hardware RAID, it will be presented as a virtual physical disk, which again will have a UUID.
add a comment |Â
up vote
2
down vote
Adding to @dr01 answer: about the RAID questions, you can also use UUID in RAID settings.
If using mdadm, the UUID will be stored in the local filesystem, if using hardware RAID, it will be presented as a virtual physical disk, which again will have a UUID.
add a comment |Â
up vote
2
down vote
up vote
2
down vote
Adding to @dr01 answer: about the RAID questions, you can also use UUID in RAID settings.
If using mdadm, the UUID will be stored in the local filesystem, if using hardware RAID, it will be presented as a virtual physical disk, which again will have a UUID.
Adding to @dr01 answer: about the RAID questions, you can also use UUID in RAID settings.
If using mdadm, the UUID will be stored in the local filesystem, if using hardware RAID, it will be presented as a virtual physical disk, which again will have a UUID.
answered Dec 6 '17 at 12:55
Rui F Ribeiro
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I think this is only an issue in cases where the data on the RAID device is also identically present in the same position on the underlying devices (or at least some of them). In practice that means the RAID formats where the RAID superblock (metadata) is at the end of the partition.
Since the UUID is part of the filesystem(*), the system must find a supported filesystem on the device first. Filesystems are identified by reading some set locations on the device, usually at the beginning, and looking for identifying signatures. If the same data is visible in the same position in a raw disk (like /dev/sda
) and a raid device (/dev/md0
) the same UUID can be found in two devices. Or more, if there are copies of the data on other devices, i.e. the other side of the mirror.
(* The UUIDs of GPT partitions are a different matter)
The Linux software RAID system knows of two main superblock formats, the original (v. 0.90) format puts the superblock at the end, and the current (v. 1) has three subformats for different positions of the superblock. Since the superblock formats 1.1 and 1.2 put the superblock in the beginning, they should be safe to use. 0.9 and 1.0 put the superblock at the end of the device, so they are the ones you can get into issues. /proc/mdstat
should show you the superblock format for each device.
The RAID wiki page also contains a warning about placing the superblock at the end of the device.
With RAID 0 or RAID 10 it's hard to read the filesystem through the underlying disks, since the data is striped. But the UUID's might still be detectable, so it's probably best to use the 1.2 format RAID superblock in
any case.
For ext2/3/4 filesystems, tune2fs -l $device
might be able to show you the filesystem UUID if it's possible to find (blkid
might find the RAID UUID instead.)
Note that I'm writing this based on my understanding of the documentation, I didn't explicitly test with a RAID superblock at the end.
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
I think this is only an issue in cases where the data on the RAID device is also identically present in the same position on the underlying devices (or at least some of them). In practice that means the RAID formats where the RAID superblock (metadata) is at the end of the partition.
Since the UUID is part of the filesystem(*), the system must find a supported filesystem on the device first. Filesystems are identified by reading some set locations on the device, usually at the beginning, and looking for identifying signatures. If the same data is visible in the same position in a raw disk (like /dev/sda
) and a raid device (/dev/md0
) the same UUID can be found in two devices. Or more, if there are copies of the data on other devices, i.e. the other side of the mirror.
(* The UUIDs of GPT partitions are a different matter)
The Linux software RAID system knows of two main superblock formats, the original (v. 0.90) format puts the superblock at the end, and the current (v. 1) has three subformats for different positions of the superblock. Since the superblock formats 1.1 and 1.2 put the superblock in the beginning, they should be safe to use. 0.9 and 1.0 put the superblock at the end of the device, so they are the ones you can get into issues. /proc/mdstat
should show you the superblock format for each device.
The RAID wiki page also contains a warning about placing the superblock at the end of the device.
With RAID 0 or RAID 10 it's hard to read the filesystem through the underlying disks, since the data is striped. But the UUID's might still be detectable, so it's probably best to use the 1.2 format RAID superblock in
any case.
For ext2/3/4 filesystems, tune2fs -l $device
might be able to show you the filesystem UUID if it's possible to find (blkid
might find the RAID UUID instead.)
Note that I'm writing this based on my understanding of the documentation, I didn't explicitly test with a RAID superblock at the end.
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
up vote
1
down vote
I think this is only an issue in cases where the data on the RAID device is also identically present in the same position on the underlying devices (or at least some of them). In practice that means the RAID formats where the RAID superblock (metadata) is at the end of the partition.
Since the UUID is part of the filesystem(*), the system must find a supported filesystem on the device first. Filesystems are identified by reading some set locations on the device, usually at the beginning, and looking for identifying signatures. If the same data is visible in the same position in a raw disk (like /dev/sda
) and a raid device (/dev/md0
) the same UUID can be found in two devices. Or more, if there are copies of the data on other devices, i.e. the other side of the mirror.
(* The UUIDs of GPT partitions are a different matter)
The Linux software RAID system knows of two main superblock formats, the original (v. 0.90) format puts the superblock at the end, and the current (v. 1) has three subformats for different positions of the superblock. Since the superblock formats 1.1 and 1.2 put the superblock in the beginning, they should be safe to use. 0.9 and 1.0 put the superblock at the end of the device, so they are the ones you can get into issues. /proc/mdstat
should show you the superblock format for each device.
The RAID wiki page also contains a warning about placing the superblock at the end of the device.
With RAID 0 or RAID 10 it's hard to read the filesystem through the underlying disks, since the data is striped. But the UUID's might still be detectable, so it's probably best to use the 1.2 format RAID superblock in
any case.
For ext2/3/4 filesystems, tune2fs -l $device
might be able to show you the filesystem UUID if it's possible to find (blkid
might find the RAID UUID instead.)
Note that I'm writing this based on my understanding of the documentation, I didn't explicitly test with a RAID superblock at the end.
I think this is only an issue in cases where the data on the RAID device is also identically present in the same position on the underlying devices (or at least some of them). In practice that means the RAID formats where the RAID superblock (metadata) is at the end of the partition.
Since the UUID is part of the filesystem(*), the system must find a supported filesystem on the device first. Filesystems are identified by reading some set locations on the device, usually at the beginning, and looking for identifying signatures. If the same data is visible in the same position in a raw disk (like /dev/sda
) and a raid device (/dev/md0
) the same UUID can be found in two devices. Or more, if there are copies of the data on other devices, i.e. the other side of the mirror.
(* The UUIDs of GPT partitions are a different matter)
The Linux software RAID system knows of two main superblock formats, the original (v. 0.90) format puts the superblock at the end, and the current (v. 1) has three subformats for different positions of the superblock. Since the superblock formats 1.1 and 1.2 put the superblock in the beginning, they should be safe to use. 0.9 and 1.0 put the superblock at the end of the device, so they are the ones you can get into issues. /proc/mdstat
should show you the superblock format for each device.
The RAID wiki page also contains a warning about placing the superblock at the end of the device.
With RAID 0 or RAID 10 it's hard to read the filesystem through the underlying disks, since the data is striped. But the UUID's might still be detectable, so it's probably best to use the 1.2 format RAID superblock in
any case.
For ext2/3/4 filesystems, tune2fs -l $device
might be able to show you the filesystem UUID if it's possible to find (blkid
might find the RAID UUID instead.)
Note that I'm writing this based on my understanding of the documentation, I didn't explicitly test with a RAID superblock at the end.
answered Dec 6 '17 at 18:10
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I wonder where that quote is from, and how old it is. Actually, now I also wonder if you cross-posted this to serverfault too, since there's quite an identical question there from just two hours earlier.
â ilkkachu
Dec 6 '17 at 17:44