Do I need to run 'btrfs balance' occasionally if I have RAID1 btrfs?

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I have two devices setup as RAID1 which I assume data (and metadata) will always mirror on both.



$ sudo btrfs filesystem show 
Label: none uuid: eaf30e64-0a90-447f-b53d-1598fe46a8a9
Total devices 2 FS bytes used 751.55GiB
devid 1 size 931.51GiB used 763.03GiB path /dev/sda
devid 2 size 931.51GiB used 763.03GiB path /dev/sdb

$ sudo btrfs filesystem df /
Data, RAID1: total=758.00GiB, used=748.13GiB
System, RAID1: total=32.00MiB, used=144.00KiB
Metadata, RAID1: total=5.00GiB, used=3.42GiB
GlobalReserve, single: total=512.00MiB, used=0.00B


Do I need to run btrfs balance on this setup?



If yes, how often?







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    I have two devices setup as RAID1 which I assume data (and metadata) will always mirror on both.



    $ sudo btrfs filesystem show 
    Label: none uuid: eaf30e64-0a90-447f-b53d-1598fe46a8a9
    Total devices 2 FS bytes used 751.55GiB
    devid 1 size 931.51GiB used 763.03GiB path /dev/sda
    devid 2 size 931.51GiB used 763.03GiB path /dev/sdb

    $ sudo btrfs filesystem df /
    Data, RAID1: total=758.00GiB, used=748.13GiB
    System, RAID1: total=32.00MiB, used=144.00KiB
    Metadata, RAID1: total=5.00GiB, used=3.42GiB
    GlobalReserve, single: total=512.00MiB, used=0.00B


    Do I need to run btrfs balance on this setup?



    If yes, how often?







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      I have two devices setup as RAID1 which I assume data (and metadata) will always mirror on both.



      $ sudo btrfs filesystem show 
      Label: none uuid: eaf30e64-0a90-447f-b53d-1598fe46a8a9
      Total devices 2 FS bytes used 751.55GiB
      devid 1 size 931.51GiB used 763.03GiB path /dev/sda
      devid 2 size 931.51GiB used 763.03GiB path /dev/sdb

      $ sudo btrfs filesystem df /
      Data, RAID1: total=758.00GiB, used=748.13GiB
      System, RAID1: total=32.00MiB, used=144.00KiB
      Metadata, RAID1: total=5.00GiB, used=3.42GiB
      GlobalReserve, single: total=512.00MiB, used=0.00B


      Do I need to run btrfs balance on this setup?



      If yes, how often?







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      I have two devices setup as RAID1 which I assume data (and metadata) will always mirror on both.



      $ sudo btrfs filesystem show 
      Label: none uuid: eaf30e64-0a90-447f-b53d-1598fe46a8a9
      Total devices 2 FS bytes used 751.55GiB
      devid 1 size 931.51GiB used 763.03GiB path /dev/sda
      devid 2 size 931.51GiB used 763.03GiB path /dev/sdb

      $ sudo btrfs filesystem df /
      Data, RAID1: total=758.00GiB, used=748.13GiB
      System, RAID1: total=32.00MiB, used=144.00KiB
      Metadata, RAID1: total=5.00GiB, used=3.42GiB
      GlobalReserve, single: total=512.00MiB, used=0.00B


      Do I need to run btrfs balance on this setup?



      If yes, how often?









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          While what Emmanuel Rosa quoted from the Wiki is technically correct (and he's also right by the way, check the wiki, and if you're feeling really adventurous, the list archives for the linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org mailing list, there's lots of useful info there), there are two things which I would like to point out which are (unfortunately) a bit big to fit in a comment:



          1. That particular FAQ entry on the wiki is slightly outdated. Current mainline Linux kernels (4.14 as of this answer) have some degree of automated cleanup, though I'm not sure which distros have new enough kernels to provide that.


          2. If you have a high amount of churn on your filesystem (lots of files being created, deleted, and/or copied around on a regular basis), then it can be beneficial to do a small partial balances on a semi-regular basis. For example, I have the following run on most of my systems daily:



            btrfs balance start -dusage=50 -dlimit=4 -musage=50 -mlimit=16


            This will balance the first four data chunks on the disk that are no more than 50% full, and the first sixteen metadata chunks on the disk that are no more than 50% full. This translates to moving at most just over 4GB of data around, which completes pretty fast, and helps keep the regular churn on my systems from negatively impacting the filesystem all that much.







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            Quoted verbatim from the BTRFS FAQ:




            Do I need to run a balance regularly?



            In general usage, no. A full unfiltered balance typically takes a long
            time, and will rewrite huge amounts of data unnecessarily. You may
            wish to run a balance on metadata only (see Balance_Filters) if you
            find you have very large amounts of metadata space allocated but
            unused
            , but this should be a last resort. At some point, this kind of
            clean-up will be made an automatic background process. -
            https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/FAQ#Do_I_need_to_run_a_balance_regularly.3F




            TIP: Anyone using BTRFS, or planning to use BTRFS should read the BTRFS Wiki first. It's absolutely loaded with insight that will save you grief later. Such as, how to properly layout your filesystem in order to best leverage subvolumes, the performance issues with random-writes, how "RAID" works, etc. It's a treasure-trove of information that's definitely worth the few evenings worth of reading.






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              While what Emmanuel Rosa quoted from the Wiki is technically correct (and he's also right by the way, check the wiki, and if you're feeling really adventurous, the list archives for the linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org mailing list, there's lots of useful info there), there are two things which I would like to point out which are (unfortunately) a bit big to fit in a comment:



              1. That particular FAQ entry on the wiki is slightly outdated. Current mainline Linux kernels (4.14 as of this answer) have some degree of automated cleanup, though I'm not sure which distros have new enough kernels to provide that.


              2. If you have a high amount of churn on your filesystem (lots of files being created, deleted, and/or copied around on a regular basis), then it can be beneficial to do a small partial balances on a semi-regular basis. For example, I have the following run on most of my systems daily:



                btrfs balance start -dusage=50 -dlimit=4 -musage=50 -mlimit=16


                This will balance the first four data chunks on the disk that are no more than 50% full, and the first sixteen metadata chunks on the disk that are no more than 50% full. This translates to moving at most just over 4GB of data around, which completes pretty fast, and helps keep the regular churn on my systems from negatively impacting the filesystem all that much.







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                While what Emmanuel Rosa quoted from the Wiki is technically correct (and he's also right by the way, check the wiki, and if you're feeling really adventurous, the list archives for the linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org mailing list, there's lots of useful info there), there are two things which I would like to point out which are (unfortunately) a bit big to fit in a comment:



                1. That particular FAQ entry on the wiki is slightly outdated. Current mainline Linux kernels (4.14 as of this answer) have some degree of automated cleanup, though I'm not sure which distros have new enough kernels to provide that.


                2. If you have a high amount of churn on your filesystem (lots of files being created, deleted, and/or copied around on a regular basis), then it can be beneficial to do a small partial balances on a semi-regular basis. For example, I have the following run on most of my systems daily:



                  btrfs balance start -dusage=50 -dlimit=4 -musage=50 -mlimit=16


                  This will balance the first four data chunks on the disk that are no more than 50% full, and the first sixteen metadata chunks on the disk that are no more than 50% full. This translates to moving at most just over 4GB of data around, which completes pretty fast, and helps keep the regular churn on my systems from negatively impacting the filesystem all that much.







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                  up vote
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                  While what Emmanuel Rosa quoted from the Wiki is technically correct (and he's also right by the way, check the wiki, and if you're feeling really adventurous, the list archives for the linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org mailing list, there's lots of useful info there), there are two things which I would like to point out which are (unfortunately) a bit big to fit in a comment:



                  1. That particular FAQ entry on the wiki is slightly outdated. Current mainline Linux kernels (4.14 as of this answer) have some degree of automated cleanup, though I'm not sure which distros have new enough kernels to provide that.


                  2. If you have a high amount of churn on your filesystem (lots of files being created, deleted, and/or copied around on a regular basis), then it can be beneficial to do a small partial balances on a semi-regular basis. For example, I have the following run on most of my systems daily:



                    btrfs balance start -dusage=50 -dlimit=4 -musage=50 -mlimit=16


                    This will balance the first four data chunks on the disk that are no more than 50% full, and the first sixteen metadata chunks on the disk that are no more than 50% full. This translates to moving at most just over 4GB of data around, which completes pretty fast, and helps keep the regular churn on my systems from negatively impacting the filesystem all that much.







                  share|improve this answer












                  While what Emmanuel Rosa quoted from the Wiki is technically correct (and he's also right by the way, check the wiki, and if you're feeling really adventurous, the list archives for the linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org mailing list, there's lots of useful info there), there are two things which I would like to point out which are (unfortunately) a bit big to fit in a comment:



                  1. That particular FAQ entry on the wiki is slightly outdated. Current mainline Linux kernels (4.14 as of this answer) have some degree of automated cleanup, though I'm not sure which distros have new enough kernels to provide that.


                  2. If you have a high amount of churn on your filesystem (lots of files being created, deleted, and/or copied around on a regular basis), then it can be beneficial to do a small partial balances on a semi-regular basis. For example, I have the following run on most of my systems daily:



                    btrfs balance start -dusage=50 -dlimit=4 -musage=50 -mlimit=16


                    This will balance the first four data chunks on the disk that are no more than 50% full, and the first sixteen metadata chunks on the disk that are no more than 50% full. This translates to moving at most just over 4GB of data around, which completes pretty fast, and helps keep the regular churn on my systems from negatively impacting the filesystem all that much.








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                      Quoted verbatim from the BTRFS FAQ:




                      Do I need to run a balance regularly?



                      In general usage, no. A full unfiltered balance typically takes a long
                      time, and will rewrite huge amounts of data unnecessarily. You may
                      wish to run a balance on metadata only (see Balance_Filters) if you
                      find you have very large amounts of metadata space allocated but
                      unused
                      , but this should be a last resort. At some point, this kind of
                      clean-up will be made an automatic background process. -
                      https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/FAQ#Do_I_need_to_run_a_balance_regularly.3F




                      TIP: Anyone using BTRFS, or planning to use BTRFS should read the BTRFS Wiki first. It's absolutely loaded with insight that will save you grief later. Such as, how to properly layout your filesystem in order to best leverage subvolumes, the performance issues with random-writes, how "RAID" works, etc. It's a treasure-trove of information that's definitely worth the few evenings worth of reading.






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                        Quoted verbatim from the BTRFS FAQ:




                        Do I need to run a balance regularly?



                        In general usage, no. A full unfiltered balance typically takes a long
                        time, and will rewrite huge amounts of data unnecessarily. You may
                        wish to run a balance on metadata only (see Balance_Filters) if you
                        find you have very large amounts of metadata space allocated but
                        unused
                        , but this should be a last resort. At some point, this kind of
                        clean-up will be made an automatic background process. -
                        https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/FAQ#Do_I_need_to_run_a_balance_regularly.3F




                        TIP: Anyone using BTRFS, or planning to use BTRFS should read the BTRFS Wiki first. It's absolutely loaded with insight that will save you grief later. Such as, how to properly layout your filesystem in order to best leverage subvolumes, the performance issues with random-writes, how "RAID" works, etc. It's a treasure-trove of information that's definitely worth the few evenings worth of reading.






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                          Quoted verbatim from the BTRFS FAQ:




                          Do I need to run a balance regularly?



                          In general usage, no. A full unfiltered balance typically takes a long
                          time, and will rewrite huge amounts of data unnecessarily. You may
                          wish to run a balance on metadata only (see Balance_Filters) if you
                          find you have very large amounts of metadata space allocated but
                          unused
                          , but this should be a last resort. At some point, this kind of
                          clean-up will be made an automatic background process. -
                          https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/FAQ#Do_I_need_to_run_a_balance_regularly.3F




                          TIP: Anyone using BTRFS, or planning to use BTRFS should read the BTRFS Wiki first. It's absolutely loaded with insight that will save you grief later. Such as, how to properly layout your filesystem in order to best leverage subvolumes, the performance issues with random-writes, how "RAID" works, etc. It's a treasure-trove of information that's definitely worth the few evenings worth of reading.






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                          Quoted verbatim from the BTRFS FAQ:




                          Do I need to run a balance regularly?



                          In general usage, no. A full unfiltered balance typically takes a long
                          time, and will rewrite huge amounts of data unnecessarily. You may
                          wish to run a balance on metadata only (see Balance_Filters) if you
                          find you have very large amounts of metadata space allocated but
                          unused
                          , but this should be a last resort. At some point, this kind of
                          clean-up will be made an automatic background process. -
                          https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/FAQ#Do_I_need_to_run_a_balance_regularly.3F




                          TIP: Anyone using BTRFS, or planning to use BTRFS should read the BTRFS Wiki first. It's absolutely loaded with insight that will save you grief later. Such as, how to properly layout your filesystem in order to best leverage subvolumes, the performance issues with random-writes, how "RAID" works, etc. It's a treasure-trove of information that's definitely worth the few evenings worth of reading.







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