How to get Fedora 28 text console install under KVM to not prompt about text mode vs VNC
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I've been trying to get unattended linux installs (fedora 28 in this case) working under KVM for some time. I've got it mostly worked out but it still asks me if I want to use text mode or fire up VNC. Here's a snippet to illustrate:
(snip)
[ OK ] Listening on Open-iSCSI iscsid Socket.
[ OK ] Reached target Sockets.
[ OK ] Reached target Basic System.
[ OK ] Started Hardware RNG Entropy Gatherer Daemon.
Starting pre-anaconda logging service...
Starting OpenSSH ed25519 Server Key Generation...
Starting OpenSSH ecdsa Server Key Generation...
Starting Login Service...
Starting Hold until boot process finishes up...
Starting OpenSSH rsa Server Key Generation...
[ OK ] Started Hold until boot process finishes up.
[ OK ] Started Terminate Plymouth Boot Screen.
Starting installer, one moment...
anaconda 28.22.10-1.fc28 for Fedora 28 started.
* installation log files are stored in /tmp during the installation
* shell is available on TTY2
* when reporting a bug add logs from /tmp as separate text/plain attachments
15:12:21 X startup failed, falling back to text mode
15:12:21 X startup failed, falling back to text mode
================================================================================
================================================================================
1) Start VNC
2) Use text mode
Please make a selection from the above ['c' to continue, 'q' to quit, 'r' to
refresh]: 2
Starting automated install...
Generating updated storage configuration
Checking storage configuration...
================================================================================
================================================================================
Installation
1) [x] Language settings 2) [x] Time settings
(English (United States)) (America/Denver timezone)
3) [x] Installation source 4) [x] Software selection
(https://mirror.chpc.utah.edu/pu (Custom software selected)
b/fedora/linux/releases/28/Serve
r/x86_64/os/)
5) [x] Installation Destination 6) [x] Network configuration
(Automatic partitioning (Wired (ens3) connected)
selected)
================================================================================
================================================================================
Progress
.
Setting up the installation environment
.
Configuring storage
..
Creating disklabel on /dev/sda
Creating ext4 on /dev/sda1
Creating lvmpv on /dev/sda2
(snip)
I'm using this as my virt-install line:
virt-install
--name fedoratest2
--ram 2048
--disk path=/vm-images/fedoratest2.qcow2,size=15
--vcpus 2
--network bridge=br0
--mac=<insert unicast mac here>
--graphics none
--location https://mirror.chpc.utah.edu/pub/fedora/linux/releases/28/Server/x86_64/os/
--os-type linux
--extra-args "console=ttyS0 inst.ks=http://http.mydomain.com/kickstart_fedora_testing.cfg hostname=fedoratest2.mydomain.com"
(mydomain.com of course isn't my real domain)
And a kickstart of:
#ptform=x86, AMD64, or Intel EM64T
#version=DEVEL
# Keyboard layouts
keyboard 'us'
# Root password
rootpw --plaintext thisisnotmyrootpassword
# user is needed for fedora? --disabled isn't an option
user --name="joe" --password="thisisnotmyuserpassword"
# System language
lang en_US
# System timezone
timezone America/Denver
# Use graphical install
graphical
# System authorization information
auth --useshadow --passalgo=sha512
# Firewall configuration
firewall --disabled
# SELinux configuration
selinux --enforcing
# Do not configure the X Window System
skipx
# System bootloader configuration
bootloader --location=mbr
# Partition clearing information
clearpart --all
# Disk partitioning information
autopart --type lvm
# these are what were produced in anaconda_ks.cfg after I selected what I wanted during a non-kickstart install
%packages
@^server-product-environment
@headless-management
%end
# this was in default anaconda_ks.cfg file after non-kickstart install, figure I'll keep it just in case
%addon com_redhat_kdump --disable --reserve-mb='128'
%end
The thing that has me bugged are the lines that appear during bootup/setup:
15:12:21 X startup failed, falling back to text mode
15:12:21 X startup failed, falling back to text mode
and I wonder - why is it even trying to start X in the first place? I recognize that my boot params in --extra-args
above aren't specifying that a text mode should be used or not, and as I understand it, fedora/anaconda wants to default to graphical installation mode. That's fine. I used the following two arguments in --extra-args
as well to try and force it to text mode and not ask me anything:
inst.text
inst.cmdline
But neither of those seem to have any effect. It still complains that X startup failed
and then asks me if I want to use VNC or text mode...
I'm trying these settings based on the official f28 install guide: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora/f28/install-guide/advanced/Boot_Options/
Furthermore, the docs here for anaconda: https://anaconda-installer.readthedocs.io/en/latest/boot-options.html
state that console=
implies inst.txt
... I'm baffled.
Summary:
No matter what I've tried to specify that I want a text or cmdline only install (no graphical), the installer still tries to run graphical, fails miserably, and prompts me to specify either VNC or text mode. I'm trying to find out what I'm doing wrong or if it's even possible to get it to not prompt me for ANYTHING during install and just ride off of the kickstart file.
kvm text kickstart anaconda
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I've been trying to get unattended linux installs (fedora 28 in this case) working under KVM for some time. I've got it mostly worked out but it still asks me if I want to use text mode or fire up VNC. Here's a snippet to illustrate:
(snip)
[ OK ] Listening on Open-iSCSI iscsid Socket.
[ OK ] Reached target Sockets.
[ OK ] Reached target Basic System.
[ OK ] Started Hardware RNG Entropy Gatherer Daemon.
Starting pre-anaconda logging service...
Starting OpenSSH ed25519 Server Key Generation...
Starting OpenSSH ecdsa Server Key Generation...
Starting Login Service...
Starting Hold until boot process finishes up...
Starting OpenSSH rsa Server Key Generation...
[ OK ] Started Hold until boot process finishes up.
[ OK ] Started Terminate Plymouth Boot Screen.
Starting installer, one moment...
anaconda 28.22.10-1.fc28 for Fedora 28 started.
* installation log files are stored in /tmp during the installation
* shell is available on TTY2
* when reporting a bug add logs from /tmp as separate text/plain attachments
15:12:21 X startup failed, falling back to text mode
15:12:21 X startup failed, falling back to text mode
================================================================================
================================================================================
1) Start VNC
2) Use text mode
Please make a selection from the above ['c' to continue, 'q' to quit, 'r' to
refresh]: 2
Starting automated install...
Generating updated storage configuration
Checking storage configuration...
================================================================================
================================================================================
Installation
1) [x] Language settings 2) [x] Time settings
(English (United States)) (America/Denver timezone)
3) [x] Installation source 4) [x] Software selection
(https://mirror.chpc.utah.edu/pu (Custom software selected)
b/fedora/linux/releases/28/Serve
r/x86_64/os/)
5) [x] Installation Destination 6) [x] Network configuration
(Automatic partitioning (Wired (ens3) connected)
selected)
================================================================================
================================================================================
Progress
.
Setting up the installation environment
.
Configuring storage
..
Creating disklabel on /dev/sda
Creating ext4 on /dev/sda1
Creating lvmpv on /dev/sda2
(snip)
I'm using this as my virt-install line:
virt-install
--name fedoratest2
--ram 2048
--disk path=/vm-images/fedoratest2.qcow2,size=15
--vcpus 2
--network bridge=br0
--mac=<insert unicast mac here>
--graphics none
--location https://mirror.chpc.utah.edu/pub/fedora/linux/releases/28/Server/x86_64/os/
--os-type linux
--extra-args "console=ttyS0 inst.ks=http://http.mydomain.com/kickstart_fedora_testing.cfg hostname=fedoratest2.mydomain.com"
(mydomain.com of course isn't my real domain)
And a kickstart of:
#ptform=x86, AMD64, or Intel EM64T
#version=DEVEL
# Keyboard layouts
keyboard 'us'
# Root password
rootpw --plaintext thisisnotmyrootpassword
# user is needed for fedora? --disabled isn't an option
user --name="joe" --password="thisisnotmyuserpassword"
# System language
lang en_US
# System timezone
timezone America/Denver
# Use graphical install
graphical
# System authorization information
auth --useshadow --passalgo=sha512
# Firewall configuration
firewall --disabled
# SELinux configuration
selinux --enforcing
# Do not configure the X Window System
skipx
# System bootloader configuration
bootloader --location=mbr
# Partition clearing information
clearpart --all
# Disk partitioning information
autopart --type lvm
# these are what were produced in anaconda_ks.cfg after I selected what I wanted during a non-kickstart install
%packages
@^server-product-environment
@headless-management
%end
# this was in default anaconda_ks.cfg file after non-kickstart install, figure I'll keep it just in case
%addon com_redhat_kdump --disable --reserve-mb='128'
%end
The thing that has me bugged are the lines that appear during bootup/setup:
15:12:21 X startup failed, falling back to text mode
15:12:21 X startup failed, falling back to text mode
and I wonder - why is it even trying to start X in the first place? I recognize that my boot params in --extra-args
above aren't specifying that a text mode should be used or not, and as I understand it, fedora/anaconda wants to default to graphical installation mode. That's fine. I used the following two arguments in --extra-args
as well to try and force it to text mode and not ask me anything:
inst.text
inst.cmdline
But neither of those seem to have any effect. It still complains that X startup failed
and then asks me if I want to use VNC or text mode...
I'm trying these settings based on the official f28 install guide: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora/f28/install-guide/advanced/Boot_Options/
Furthermore, the docs here for anaconda: https://anaconda-installer.readthedocs.io/en/latest/boot-options.html
state that console=
implies inst.txt
... I'm baffled.
Summary:
No matter what I've tried to specify that I want a text or cmdline only install (no graphical), the installer still tries to run graphical, fails miserably, and prompts me to specify either VNC or text mode. I'm trying to find out what I'm doing wrong or if it's even possible to get it to not prompt me for ANYTHING during install and just ride off of the kickstart file.
kvm text kickstart anaconda
I don't understand why you are keeping the keywordgraphical
in the kickstart file, instead of replacing it bytext
. Perhaps you can also tryinst.noninteractive
â meuh
Aug 29 at 8:28
add a comment |Â
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up vote
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I've been trying to get unattended linux installs (fedora 28 in this case) working under KVM for some time. I've got it mostly worked out but it still asks me if I want to use text mode or fire up VNC. Here's a snippet to illustrate:
(snip)
[ OK ] Listening on Open-iSCSI iscsid Socket.
[ OK ] Reached target Sockets.
[ OK ] Reached target Basic System.
[ OK ] Started Hardware RNG Entropy Gatherer Daemon.
Starting pre-anaconda logging service...
Starting OpenSSH ed25519 Server Key Generation...
Starting OpenSSH ecdsa Server Key Generation...
Starting Login Service...
Starting Hold until boot process finishes up...
Starting OpenSSH rsa Server Key Generation...
[ OK ] Started Hold until boot process finishes up.
[ OK ] Started Terminate Plymouth Boot Screen.
Starting installer, one moment...
anaconda 28.22.10-1.fc28 for Fedora 28 started.
* installation log files are stored in /tmp during the installation
* shell is available on TTY2
* when reporting a bug add logs from /tmp as separate text/plain attachments
15:12:21 X startup failed, falling back to text mode
15:12:21 X startup failed, falling back to text mode
================================================================================
================================================================================
1) Start VNC
2) Use text mode
Please make a selection from the above ['c' to continue, 'q' to quit, 'r' to
refresh]: 2
Starting automated install...
Generating updated storage configuration
Checking storage configuration...
================================================================================
================================================================================
Installation
1) [x] Language settings 2) [x] Time settings
(English (United States)) (America/Denver timezone)
3) [x] Installation source 4) [x] Software selection
(https://mirror.chpc.utah.edu/pu (Custom software selected)
b/fedora/linux/releases/28/Serve
r/x86_64/os/)
5) [x] Installation Destination 6) [x] Network configuration
(Automatic partitioning (Wired (ens3) connected)
selected)
================================================================================
================================================================================
Progress
.
Setting up the installation environment
.
Configuring storage
..
Creating disklabel on /dev/sda
Creating ext4 on /dev/sda1
Creating lvmpv on /dev/sda2
(snip)
I'm using this as my virt-install line:
virt-install
--name fedoratest2
--ram 2048
--disk path=/vm-images/fedoratest2.qcow2,size=15
--vcpus 2
--network bridge=br0
--mac=<insert unicast mac here>
--graphics none
--location https://mirror.chpc.utah.edu/pub/fedora/linux/releases/28/Server/x86_64/os/
--os-type linux
--extra-args "console=ttyS0 inst.ks=http://http.mydomain.com/kickstart_fedora_testing.cfg hostname=fedoratest2.mydomain.com"
(mydomain.com of course isn't my real domain)
And a kickstart of:
#ptform=x86, AMD64, or Intel EM64T
#version=DEVEL
# Keyboard layouts
keyboard 'us'
# Root password
rootpw --plaintext thisisnotmyrootpassword
# user is needed for fedora? --disabled isn't an option
user --name="joe" --password="thisisnotmyuserpassword"
# System language
lang en_US
# System timezone
timezone America/Denver
# Use graphical install
graphical
# System authorization information
auth --useshadow --passalgo=sha512
# Firewall configuration
firewall --disabled
# SELinux configuration
selinux --enforcing
# Do not configure the X Window System
skipx
# System bootloader configuration
bootloader --location=mbr
# Partition clearing information
clearpart --all
# Disk partitioning information
autopart --type lvm
# these are what were produced in anaconda_ks.cfg after I selected what I wanted during a non-kickstart install
%packages
@^server-product-environment
@headless-management
%end
# this was in default anaconda_ks.cfg file after non-kickstart install, figure I'll keep it just in case
%addon com_redhat_kdump --disable --reserve-mb='128'
%end
The thing that has me bugged are the lines that appear during bootup/setup:
15:12:21 X startup failed, falling back to text mode
15:12:21 X startup failed, falling back to text mode
and I wonder - why is it even trying to start X in the first place? I recognize that my boot params in --extra-args
above aren't specifying that a text mode should be used or not, and as I understand it, fedora/anaconda wants to default to graphical installation mode. That's fine. I used the following two arguments in --extra-args
as well to try and force it to text mode and not ask me anything:
inst.text
inst.cmdline
But neither of those seem to have any effect. It still complains that X startup failed
and then asks me if I want to use VNC or text mode...
I'm trying these settings based on the official f28 install guide: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora/f28/install-guide/advanced/Boot_Options/
Furthermore, the docs here for anaconda: https://anaconda-installer.readthedocs.io/en/latest/boot-options.html
state that console=
implies inst.txt
... I'm baffled.
Summary:
No matter what I've tried to specify that I want a text or cmdline only install (no graphical), the installer still tries to run graphical, fails miserably, and prompts me to specify either VNC or text mode. I'm trying to find out what I'm doing wrong or if it's even possible to get it to not prompt me for ANYTHING during install and just ride off of the kickstart file.
kvm text kickstart anaconda
I've been trying to get unattended linux installs (fedora 28 in this case) working under KVM for some time. I've got it mostly worked out but it still asks me if I want to use text mode or fire up VNC. Here's a snippet to illustrate:
(snip)
[ OK ] Listening on Open-iSCSI iscsid Socket.
[ OK ] Reached target Sockets.
[ OK ] Reached target Basic System.
[ OK ] Started Hardware RNG Entropy Gatherer Daemon.
Starting pre-anaconda logging service...
Starting OpenSSH ed25519 Server Key Generation...
Starting OpenSSH ecdsa Server Key Generation...
Starting Login Service...
Starting Hold until boot process finishes up...
Starting OpenSSH rsa Server Key Generation...
[ OK ] Started Hold until boot process finishes up.
[ OK ] Started Terminate Plymouth Boot Screen.
Starting installer, one moment...
anaconda 28.22.10-1.fc28 for Fedora 28 started.
* installation log files are stored in /tmp during the installation
* shell is available on TTY2
* when reporting a bug add logs from /tmp as separate text/plain attachments
15:12:21 X startup failed, falling back to text mode
15:12:21 X startup failed, falling back to text mode
================================================================================
================================================================================
1) Start VNC
2) Use text mode
Please make a selection from the above ['c' to continue, 'q' to quit, 'r' to
refresh]: 2
Starting automated install...
Generating updated storage configuration
Checking storage configuration...
================================================================================
================================================================================
Installation
1) [x] Language settings 2) [x] Time settings
(English (United States)) (America/Denver timezone)
3) [x] Installation source 4) [x] Software selection
(https://mirror.chpc.utah.edu/pu (Custom software selected)
b/fedora/linux/releases/28/Serve
r/x86_64/os/)
5) [x] Installation Destination 6) [x] Network configuration
(Automatic partitioning (Wired (ens3) connected)
selected)
================================================================================
================================================================================
Progress
.
Setting up the installation environment
.
Configuring storage
..
Creating disklabel on /dev/sda
Creating ext4 on /dev/sda1
Creating lvmpv on /dev/sda2
(snip)
I'm using this as my virt-install line:
virt-install
--name fedoratest2
--ram 2048
--disk path=/vm-images/fedoratest2.qcow2,size=15
--vcpus 2
--network bridge=br0
--mac=<insert unicast mac here>
--graphics none
--location https://mirror.chpc.utah.edu/pub/fedora/linux/releases/28/Server/x86_64/os/
--os-type linux
--extra-args "console=ttyS0 inst.ks=http://http.mydomain.com/kickstart_fedora_testing.cfg hostname=fedoratest2.mydomain.com"
(mydomain.com of course isn't my real domain)
And a kickstart of:
#ptform=x86, AMD64, or Intel EM64T
#version=DEVEL
# Keyboard layouts
keyboard 'us'
# Root password
rootpw --plaintext thisisnotmyrootpassword
# user is needed for fedora? --disabled isn't an option
user --name="joe" --password="thisisnotmyuserpassword"
# System language
lang en_US
# System timezone
timezone America/Denver
# Use graphical install
graphical
# System authorization information
auth --useshadow --passalgo=sha512
# Firewall configuration
firewall --disabled
# SELinux configuration
selinux --enforcing
# Do not configure the X Window System
skipx
# System bootloader configuration
bootloader --location=mbr
# Partition clearing information
clearpart --all
# Disk partitioning information
autopart --type lvm
# these are what were produced in anaconda_ks.cfg after I selected what I wanted during a non-kickstart install
%packages
@^server-product-environment
@headless-management
%end
# this was in default anaconda_ks.cfg file after non-kickstart install, figure I'll keep it just in case
%addon com_redhat_kdump --disable --reserve-mb='128'
%end
The thing that has me bugged are the lines that appear during bootup/setup:
15:12:21 X startup failed, falling back to text mode
15:12:21 X startup failed, falling back to text mode
and I wonder - why is it even trying to start X in the first place? I recognize that my boot params in --extra-args
above aren't specifying that a text mode should be used or not, and as I understand it, fedora/anaconda wants to default to graphical installation mode. That's fine. I used the following two arguments in --extra-args
as well to try and force it to text mode and not ask me anything:
inst.text
inst.cmdline
But neither of those seem to have any effect. It still complains that X startup failed
and then asks me if I want to use VNC or text mode...
I'm trying these settings based on the official f28 install guide: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora/f28/install-guide/advanced/Boot_Options/
Furthermore, the docs here for anaconda: https://anaconda-installer.readthedocs.io/en/latest/boot-options.html
state that console=
implies inst.txt
... I'm baffled.
Summary:
No matter what I've tried to specify that I want a text or cmdline only install (no graphical), the installer still tries to run graphical, fails miserably, and prompts me to specify either VNC or text mode. I'm trying to find out what I'm doing wrong or if it's even possible to get it to not prompt me for ANYTHING during install and just ride off of the kickstart file.
kvm text kickstart anaconda
kvm text kickstart anaconda
edited Sep 9 at 20:49
Rui F Ribeiro
36.7k1271117
36.7k1271117
asked Aug 29 at 1:28
scooterx3
82
82
I don't understand why you are keeping the keywordgraphical
in the kickstart file, instead of replacing it bytext
. Perhaps you can also tryinst.noninteractive
â meuh
Aug 29 at 8:28
add a comment |Â
I don't understand why you are keeping the keywordgraphical
in the kickstart file, instead of replacing it bytext
. Perhaps you can also tryinst.noninteractive
â meuh
Aug 29 at 8:28
I don't understand why you are keeping the keyword
graphical
in the kickstart file, instead of replacing it by text
. Perhaps you can also try inst.noninteractive
â meuh
Aug 29 at 8:28
I don't understand why you are keeping the keyword
graphical
in the kickstart file, instead of replacing it by text
. Perhaps you can also try inst.noninteractive
â meuh
Aug 29 at 8:28
add a comment |Â
1 Answer
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You're getting an attempt at a graphical install because your kickstart file explicitly asked for it:
# Use graphical install
graphical
The errors state that the graphical installer is failing to start, which is why you're being prompted about whether you want to continue with VNC.
Since you say you want a text-based install anyway, remove graphical
and replace it with text
.
Well bust my buttons, I'm betting you're right. I'll test it as soon as I can, thanks. I can't believe I missed that. So embarrassing. -_-
â scooterx3
Aug 29 at 23:12
Yep, that did it. Thanks! Note to self: read better.
â scooterx3
Aug 29 at 23:19
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1 Answer
1
active
oldest
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1 Answer
1
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
up vote
0
down vote
accepted
You're getting an attempt at a graphical install because your kickstart file explicitly asked for it:
# Use graphical install
graphical
The errors state that the graphical installer is failing to start, which is why you're being prompted about whether you want to continue with VNC.
Since you say you want a text-based install anyway, remove graphical
and replace it with text
.
Well bust my buttons, I'm betting you're right. I'll test it as soon as I can, thanks. I can't believe I missed that. So embarrassing. -_-
â scooterx3
Aug 29 at 23:12
Yep, that did it. Thanks! Note to self: read better.
â scooterx3
Aug 29 at 23:19
add a comment |Â
up vote
0
down vote
accepted
You're getting an attempt at a graphical install because your kickstart file explicitly asked for it:
# Use graphical install
graphical
The errors state that the graphical installer is failing to start, which is why you're being prompted about whether you want to continue with VNC.
Since you say you want a text-based install anyway, remove graphical
and replace it with text
.
Well bust my buttons, I'm betting you're right. I'll test it as soon as I can, thanks. I can't believe I missed that. So embarrassing. -_-
â scooterx3
Aug 29 at 23:12
Yep, that did it. Thanks! Note to self: read better.
â scooterx3
Aug 29 at 23:19
add a comment |Â
up vote
0
down vote
accepted
up vote
0
down vote
accepted
You're getting an attempt at a graphical install because your kickstart file explicitly asked for it:
# Use graphical install
graphical
The errors state that the graphical installer is failing to start, which is why you're being prompted about whether you want to continue with VNC.
Since you say you want a text-based install anyway, remove graphical
and replace it with text
.
You're getting an attempt at a graphical install because your kickstart file explicitly asked for it:
# Use graphical install
graphical
The errors state that the graphical installer is failing to start, which is why you're being prompted about whether you want to continue with VNC.
Since you say you want a text-based install anyway, remove graphical
and replace it with text
.
answered Aug 29 at 15:45
Michael Hampton
5,25811637
5,25811637
Well bust my buttons, I'm betting you're right. I'll test it as soon as I can, thanks. I can't believe I missed that. So embarrassing. -_-
â scooterx3
Aug 29 at 23:12
Yep, that did it. Thanks! Note to self: read better.
â scooterx3
Aug 29 at 23:19
add a comment |Â
Well bust my buttons, I'm betting you're right. I'll test it as soon as I can, thanks. I can't believe I missed that. So embarrassing. -_-
â scooterx3
Aug 29 at 23:12
Yep, that did it. Thanks! Note to self: read better.
â scooterx3
Aug 29 at 23:19
Well bust my buttons, I'm betting you're right. I'll test it as soon as I can, thanks. I can't believe I missed that. So embarrassing. -_-
â scooterx3
Aug 29 at 23:12
Well bust my buttons, I'm betting you're right. I'll test it as soon as I can, thanks. I can't believe I missed that. So embarrassing. -_-
â scooterx3
Aug 29 at 23:12
Yep, that did it. Thanks! Note to self: read better.
â scooterx3
Aug 29 at 23:19
Yep, that did it. Thanks! Note to self: read better.
â scooterx3
Aug 29 at 23:19
add a comment |Â
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I don't understand why you are keeping the keyword
graphical
in the kickstart file, instead of replacing it bytext
. Perhaps you can also tryinst.noninteractive
â meuh
Aug 29 at 8:28