What is the original Hare Krishna mahamantra [duplicate]

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The Hare Krishna mahamantra which I have heard from my family and saints is the following:




Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare




Wikipedia mentions the same mantra and so does this source



While the one which I have heard from ISKCON is little bit different:




Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare Hare




Although it doesn't make much a difference but still I want to know which is the correct one?



Some people say the latter one is interpolated. Since Krishna was more revered in the heart of some devotees, they interpolated it. Is that true?



Please note that the question is not whether interpolating this mantra slightly makes a difference or not but only that whether it has been done or not.










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    There is no way to know that. Since Gaudiya Vaishnavas had been chanting it for 200 years before Kali Santarana upanishad was penned down first by an Advaitin, Gaudiyas will tell 'it is changed later, in original manuscripts it is hare Krishna....'. Objectively nothing can be said about it.. It will only be opinion.

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    Jan 29 at 6:03











  • raganugaprembhakti.wordpress.com/mahamantra-controversy check this out.

    – user16618
    Jan 29 at 6:09












  • @RaRe Just saw that blog lol

    – Surya Kanta Bose Chowdhury
    Jan 29 at 6:34






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    @Rickross this question is not a duplicate because it is asking which is the original one. There are scriptural references for both of them.

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    Jan 29 at 10:30











  • @Lokesh Yes, it's not duplicate but opinion based. Gaudiya vaishnavas believe in "hare Krishna..." others believe "hare rama.." and some others don't even believe in it

    – Krishna Shweta
    Jan 29 at 15:40
















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  • Please provide all the scripture references where Hare Krishna Maha mantra is mentioned except Kalisantarana Upanishad?

    1 answer



The Hare Krishna mahamantra which I have heard from my family and saints is the following:




Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare




Wikipedia mentions the same mantra and so does this source



While the one which I have heard from ISKCON is little bit different:




Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare Hare




Although it doesn't make much a difference but still I want to know which is the correct one?



Some people say the latter one is interpolated. Since Krishna was more revered in the heart of some devotees, they interpolated it. Is that true?



Please note that the question is not whether interpolating this mantra slightly makes a difference or not but only that whether it has been done or not.










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marked as duplicate by Rickross, Akshay S, Krishna Shweta, sv., Sarvabhouma Jan 30 at 2:30


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    There is no way to know that. Since Gaudiya Vaishnavas had been chanting it for 200 years before Kali Santarana upanishad was penned down first by an Advaitin, Gaudiyas will tell 'it is changed later, in original manuscripts it is hare Krishna....'. Objectively nothing can be said about it.. It will only be opinion.

    – user16618
    Jan 29 at 6:03











  • raganugaprembhakti.wordpress.com/mahamantra-controversy check this out.

    – user16618
    Jan 29 at 6:09












  • @RaRe Just saw that blog lol

    – Surya Kanta Bose Chowdhury
    Jan 29 at 6:34






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    @Rickross this question is not a duplicate because it is asking which is the original one. There are scriptural references for both of them.

    – Lokesh
    Jan 29 at 10:30











  • @Lokesh Yes, it's not duplicate but opinion based. Gaudiya vaishnavas believe in "hare Krishna..." others believe "hare rama.." and some others don't even believe in it

    – Krishna Shweta
    Jan 29 at 15:40














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This question already has an answer here:



  • Please provide all the scripture references where Hare Krishna Maha mantra is mentioned except Kalisantarana Upanishad?

    1 answer



The Hare Krishna mahamantra which I have heard from my family and saints is the following:




Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare




Wikipedia mentions the same mantra and so does this source



While the one which I have heard from ISKCON is little bit different:




Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare Hare




Although it doesn't make much a difference but still I want to know which is the correct one?



Some people say the latter one is interpolated. Since Krishna was more revered in the heart of some devotees, they interpolated it. Is that true?



Please note that the question is not whether interpolating this mantra slightly makes a difference or not but only that whether it has been done or not.










share|improve this question

















This question already has an answer here:



  • Please provide all the scripture references where Hare Krishna Maha mantra is mentioned except Kalisantarana Upanishad?

    1 answer



The Hare Krishna mahamantra which I have heard from my family and saints is the following:




Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare




Wikipedia mentions the same mantra and so does this source



While the one which I have heard from ISKCON is little bit different:




Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare Hare




Although it doesn't make much a difference but still I want to know which is the correct one?



Some people say the latter one is interpolated. Since Krishna was more revered in the heart of some devotees, they interpolated it. Is that true?



Please note that the question is not whether interpolating this mantra slightly makes a difference or not but only that whether it has been done or not.





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  • Please provide all the scripture references where Hare Krishna Maha mantra is mentioned except Kalisantarana Upanishad?

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marked as duplicate by Rickross, Akshay S, Krishna Shweta, sv., Sarvabhouma Jan 30 at 2:30


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  • 1





    There is no way to know that. Since Gaudiya Vaishnavas had been chanting it for 200 years before Kali Santarana upanishad was penned down first by an Advaitin, Gaudiyas will tell 'it is changed later, in original manuscripts it is hare Krishna....'. Objectively nothing can be said about it.. It will only be opinion.

    – user16618
    Jan 29 at 6:03











  • raganugaprembhakti.wordpress.com/mahamantra-controversy check this out.

    – user16618
    Jan 29 at 6:09












  • @RaRe Just saw that blog lol

    – Surya Kanta Bose Chowdhury
    Jan 29 at 6:34






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    @Rickross this question is not a duplicate because it is asking which is the original one. There are scriptural references for both of them.

    – Lokesh
    Jan 29 at 10:30











  • @Lokesh Yes, it's not duplicate but opinion based. Gaudiya vaishnavas believe in "hare Krishna..." others believe "hare rama.." and some others don't even believe in it

    – Krishna Shweta
    Jan 29 at 15:40













  • 1





    There is no way to know that. Since Gaudiya Vaishnavas had been chanting it for 200 years before Kali Santarana upanishad was penned down first by an Advaitin, Gaudiyas will tell 'it is changed later, in original manuscripts it is hare Krishna....'. Objectively nothing can be said about it.. It will only be opinion.

    – user16618
    Jan 29 at 6:03











  • raganugaprembhakti.wordpress.com/mahamantra-controversy check this out.

    – user16618
    Jan 29 at 6:09












  • @RaRe Just saw that blog lol

    – Surya Kanta Bose Chowdhury
    Jan 29 at 6:34






  • 1





    @Rickross this question is not a duplicate because it is asking which is the original one. There are scriptural references for both of them.

    – Lokesh
    Jan 29 at 10:30











  • @Lokesh Yes, it's not duplicate but opinion based. Gaudiya vaishnavas believe in "hare Krishna..." others believe "hare rama.." and some others don't even believe in it

    – Krishna Shweta
    Jan 29 at 15:40








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There is no way to know that. Since Gaudiya Vaishnavas had been chanting it for 200 years before Kali Santarana upanishad was penned down first by an Advaitin, Gaudiyas will tell 'it is changed later, in original manuscripts it is hare Krishna....'. Objectively nothing can be said about it.. It will only be opinion.

– user16618
Jan 29 at 6:03





There is no way to know that. Since Gaudiya Vaishnavas had been chanting it for 200 years before Kali Santarana upanishad was penned down first by an Advaitin, Gaudiyas will tell 'it is changed later, in original manuscripts it is hare Krishna....'. Objectively nothing can be said about it.. It will only be opinion.

– user16618
Jan 29 at 6:03













raganugaprembhakti.wordpress.com/mahamantra-controversy check this out.

– user16618
Jan 29 at 6:09






raganugaprembhakti.wordpress.com/mahamantra-controversy check this out.

– user16618
Jan 29 at 6:09














@RaRe Just saw that blog lol

– Surya Kanta Bose Chowdhury
Jan 29 at 6:34





@RaRe Just saw that blog lol

– Surya Kanta Bose Chowdhury
Jan 29 at 6:34




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@Rickross this question is not a duplicate because it is asking which is the original one. There are scriptural references for both of them.

– Lokesh
Jan 29 at 10:30





@Rickross this question is not a duplicate because it is asking which is the original one. There are scriptural references for both of them.

– Lokesh
Jan 29 at 10:30













@Lokesh Yes, it's not duplicate but opinion based. Gaudiya vaishnavas believe in "hare Krishna..." others believe "hare rama.." and some others don't even believe in it

– Krishna Shweta
Jan 29 at 15:40






@Lokesh Yes, it's not duplicate but opinion based. Gaudiya vaishnavas believe in "hare Krishna..." others believe "hare rama.." and some others don't even believe in it

– Krishna Shweta
Jan 29 at 15:40











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The original mantra is indeed "Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare".



The scriptural basis of this mantra comes from the Kali-Saṇṭāraṇa Upanishad where Brahma reveals this mantra to Narada in response to the latter's question of how Jivas can resist the effects of Kali in Kali-Yuga:




At the end of Dvāpara yuga, Nārada went to Brahma and addressed him thus: "O Lord, how shall I, roaming over the earth, be able to cross Kali?" To which Brahma thus replied: "Well asked. Hearken to that which all Śrutis (the Vedas) keep secret and hidden, through which one may cross the saṃsāra (mundane existence) of Kali. He shakes off (the evil effects of) Kali through the mere uttering of the name of the Lord Nārāyaṇa, who is the primeval Puruṣa." Again Nārada asked Brahma: "What is the name?" To which Hiraṇyagarbha (Brahma) replied thus: (the words are:) "Hare Rāma Hare, Rāma, Rāma, Rāma, Hare, Hare; Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare, Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Hare, Hare." These sixteen names (words) are destructive of the evil effects of Kali. No better means than this is to be seen in all the Vedas. These (sixteen names) destroy the āvaraṇa (or the centripetal force which produces the sense of individuality) of jīva surrounded by the sixteen kalās (rays). Then like the sphere of the sun which shines fully after the clouds (screening it) disperse, Parabrahman (alone) shines.". (Kali-Saṇṭāraṇa Upanishad)




So yes, your family and the saints you met are right about the original mantra beginning from "Hare Rama". It was only modified by Gaudiya Vaishnavas because of their preference/importance to Krishna.



As a sidenote, I would like to add that in the mantra, "Rama" refers to the Maryada Purushottam Rama but according to the Gaudiya Vaishnava interpretation, "Rama" refers to Balarama, the elder brother of Krishna.






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    How do you know that Kali Upanishad mentioned this mantra? There are copies of same Upanishad which mentions different mantra i.e starting with Hare Krishna.

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  • @Lokesh The earliest available copy of the Upanishad begins with "Hare Rama..."

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    Do you have any citation to prove that or anything similar?

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Quoting from the book "Mahamantrakalpataru" by Sri Sitaramdas Omkarnath and also Sitaram-Leela-Alekhya by Promodranjan Gupta:




The original mantra given in the Kalisantaranopanishad started with Hare Rama and the second line started with Hare Krishna. It was a Veda mantra and meant for the Brahmins alone :"Sarvadaa suchirasuchhirvaa pathan BRAHAMANA salokataam sameepataam saayujyataam eti" meaning a brahmin chanting it in pure and impure state can attain different types of Mukti(Ref: Sitaram-Leela-Alekhya, By Prof.Promodranjan Gupta,Mahamilan Math,page 220). Mahaprabhu Sri Chaitanya changed the order making it stating with Hare Krishna so that any one can chant it, while keeping the result of chanting ie getting rid of the evils of Kali-Yuga and so being illumined unharmed. His version was supported by Radhatantra, Brahmanda-Purana andYogasara-Tantra.




So only for the Brahmins who obey all the scriptural orders, the version starting from Hare Rama is chantable.






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    "Meant for brahmins only" No, the Kali-Saṇṭāraṇa Upanishad itself says that it is for all.

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  • @KrishnaShweta None of the Upanishads can be for all. They contain OM and are cosidered part of the vedas

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  • Brahma replied that there were no rules for it. Whoever in a pure or an impure state, utters these always, attains the same world of, or proximity with, or the same form of, or absorption into Brahma. Nowhere it says that this mantra is for only brahmins

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    When the source of mantra itself is saying then what's the need of other injections?

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    @SuryaKantaBoseChowdhury yes, my pleasure. Omkarnath Rachanavali in 13 volumes, Pranava prema pijusha Vasya of Gita and His commentaries on Chandi are available at Mahamilan Math near Dakshineswar, Kolkata

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Actually both the mantras, starting with Hare Krishna and Hare Rama are mentioned in our scriptures, but the mantra starting with Hare Krishna has been considered of highest importance because Krishna is the supreme personality of godhead according to the scriptures. Also Rama in the mantra is non another than Lord Sri Rama who appeared in treta yuga . It is also mentioned that Rama is another name of Sri Krishna which means one who gives pleasure to others and that's why he appeared as Lord Sri Rama in treta yuga. So It doesn't matter much whether you chant Hare Krishna first or Hare Rama first, but if you are considering the highest of all the mantras then you should chant Hare Krishna first.






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    Welcome to hinduism! - Kindly do cite a reference which highlights mantra starting with Krishna is of highest importance!!

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  • Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare Hare harer nama harer nama harer namaiva kevalam kalau nasty eva nasty eva nasty eva gatir anyatha "“In this age of quarrel and hypocrisy the only means of deliverance is chanting of the holy name of ONLY Lord Hari. There is no other way. There is no other way. There is no other way.” (Brhad Naradiya Purana)

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  • hare krishna hare krishna, krishna krishna hare hare. hare rama hare rama, rama rama hare hare; [5] Lord Brahma replied, “Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare; Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare. iti shodashakam namnam, kali-kalmasha-nashanam; natah parataropayah, sarva-vedeshu drishyate. [6] This sixteen words mantra are especially meant for completely destroying all the contamination of Kali. To save oneself from the contamination of Kali-yuga, there is no alternative in all theVedas except the chanting of this sixteen-word mantra. (Kali Santarana Upanishad)

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The original mantra is indeed "Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare".



The scriptural basis of this mantra comes from the Kali-Saṇṭāraṇa Upanishad where Brahma reveals this mantra to Narada in response to the latter's question of how Jivas can resist the effects of Kali in Kali-Yuga:




At the end of Dvāpara yuga, Nārada went to Brahma and addressed him thus: "O Lord, how shall I, roaming over the earth, be able to cross Kali?" To which Brahma thus replied: "Well asked. Hearken to that which all Śrutis (the Vedas) keep secret and hidden, through which one may cross the saṃsāra (mundane existence) of Kali. He shakes off (the evil effects of) Kali through the mere uttering of the name of the Lord Nārāyaṇa, who is the primeval Puruṣa." Again Nārada asked Brahma: "What is the name?" To which Hiraṇyagarbha (Brahma) replied thus: (the words are:) "Hare Rāma Hare, Rāma, Rāma, Rāma, Hare, Hare; Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare, Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Hare, Hare." These sixteen names (words) are destructive of the evil effects of Kali. No better means than this is to be seen in all the Vedas. These (sixteen names) destroy the āvaraṇa (or the centripetal force which produces the sense of individuality) of jīva surrounded by the sixteen kalās (rays). Then like the sphere of the sun which shines fully after the clouds (screening it) disperse, Parabrahman (alone) shines.". (Kali-Saṇṭāraṇa Upanishad)




So yes, your family and the saints you met are right about the original mantra beginning from "Hare Rama". It was only modified by Gaudiya Vaishnavas because of their preference/importance to Krishna.



As a sidenote, I would like to add that in the mantra, "Rama" refers to the Maryada Purushottam Rama but according to the Gaudiya Vaishnava interpretation, "Rama" refers to Balarama, the elder brother of Krishna.






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    How do you know that Kali Upanishad mentioned this mantra? There are copies of same Upanishad which mentions different mantra i.e starting with Hare Krishna.

    – Lokesh
    Jan 29 at 16:51











  • @Lokesh The earliest available copy of the Upanishad begins with "Hare Rama..."

    – Surya Kanta Bose Chowdhury
    Jan 30 at 13:18







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    Do you have any citation to prove that or anything similar?

    – Lokesh
    Jan 31 at 17:15















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The original mantra is indeed "Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare".



The scriptural basis of this mantra comes from the Kali-Saṇṭāraṇa Upanishad where Brahma reveals this mantra to Narada in response to the latter's question of how Jivas can resist the effects of Kali in Kali-Yuga:




At the end of Dvāpara yuga, Nārada went to Brahma and addressed him thus: "O Lord, how shall I, roaming over the earth, be able to cross Kali?" To which Brahma thus replied: "Well asked. Hearken to that which all Śrutis (the Vedas) keep secret and hidden, through which one may cross the saṃsāra (mundane existence) of Kali. He shakes off (the evil effects of) Kali through the mere uttering of the name of the Lord Nārāyaṇa, who is the primeval Puruṣa." Again Nārada asked Brahma: "What is the name?" To which Hiraṇyagarbha (Brahma) replied thus: (the words are:) "Hare Rāma Hare, Rāma, Rāma, Rāma, Hare, Hare; Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare, Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Hare, Hare." These sixteen names (words) are destructive of the evil effects of Kali. No better means than this is to be seen in all the Vedas. These (sixteen names) destroy the āvaraṇa (or the centripetal force which produces the sense of individuality) of jīva surrounded by the sixteen kalās (rays). Then like the sphere of the sun which shines fully after the clouds (screening it) disperse, Parabrahman (alone) shines.". (Kali-Saṇṭāraṇa Upanishad)




So yes, your family and the saints you met are right about the original mantra beginning from "Hare Rama". It was only modified by Gaudiya Vaishnavas because of their preference/importance to Krishna.



As a sidenote, I would like to add that in the mantra, "Rama" refers to the Maryada Purushottam Rama but according to the Gaudiya Vaishnava interpretation, "Rama" refers to Balarama, the elder brother of Krishna.






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    How do you know that Kali Upanishad mentioned this mantra? There are copies of same Upanishad which mentions different mantra i.e starting with Hare Krishna.

    – Lokesh
    Jan 29 at 16:51











  • @Lokesh The earliest available copy of the Upanishad begins with "Hare Rama..."

    – Surya Kanta Bose Chowdhury
    Jan 30 at 13:18







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    Do you have any citation to prove that or anything similar?

    – Lokesh
    Jan 31 at 17:15













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The original mantra is indeed "Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare".



The scriptural basis of this mantra comes from the Kali-Saṇṭāraṇa Upanishad where Brahma reveals this mantra to Narada in response to the latter's question of how Jivas can resist the effects of Kali in Kali-Yuga:




At the end of Dvāpara yuga, Nārada went to Brahma and addressed him thus: "O Lord, how shall I, roaming over the earth, be able to cross Kali?" To which Brahma thus replied: "Well asked. Hearken to that which all Śrutis (the Vedas) keep secret and hidden, through which one may cross the saṃsāra (mundane existence) of Kali. He shakes off (the evil effects of) Kali through the mere uttering of the name of the Lord Nārāyaṇa, who is the primeval Puruṣa." Again Nārada asked Brahma: "What is the name?" To which Hiraṇyagarbha (Brahma) replied thus: (the words are:) "Hare Rāma Hare, Rāma, Rāma, Rāma, Hare, Hare; Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare, Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Hare, Hare." These sixteen names (words) are destructive of the evil effects of Kali. No better means than this is to be seen in all the Vedas. These (sixteen names) destroy the āvaraṇa (or the centripetal force which produces the sense of individuality) of jīva surrounded by the sixteen kalās (rays). Then like the sphere of the sun which shines fully after the clouds (screening it) disperse, Parabrahman (alone) shines.". (Kali-Saṇṭāraṇa Upanishad)




So yes, your family and the saints you met are right about the original mantra beginning from "Hare Rama". It was only modified by Gaudiya Vaishnavas because of their preference/importance to Krishna.



As a sidenote, I would like to add that in the mantra, "Rama" refers to the Maryada Purushottam Rama but according to the Gaudiya Vaishnava interpretation, "Rama" refers to Balarama, the elder brother of Krishna.






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The original mantra is indeed "Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare".



The scriptural basis of this mantra comes from the Kali-Saṇṭāraṇa Upanishad where Brahma reveals this mantra to Narada in response to the latter's question of how Jivas can resist the effects of Kali in Kali-Yuga:




At the end of Dvāpara yuga, Nārada went to Brahma and addressed him thus: "O Lord, how shall I, roaming over the earth, be able to cross Kali?" To which Brahma thus replied: "Well asked. Hearken to that which all Śrutis (the Vedas) keep secret and hidden, through which one may cross the saṃsāra (mundane existence) of Kali. He shakes off (the evil effects of) Kali through the mere uttering of the name of the Lord Nārāyaṇa, who is the primeval Puruṣa." Again Nārada asked Brahma: "What is the name?" To which Hiraṇyagarbha (Brahma) replied thus: (the words are:) "Hare Rāma Hare, Rāma, Rāma, Rāma, Hare, Hare; Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare, Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Hare, Hare." These sixteen names (words) are destructive of the evil effects of Kali. No better means than this is to be seen in all the Vedas. These (sixteen names) destroy the āvaraṇa (or the centripetal force which produces the sense of individuality) of jīva surrounded by the sixteen kalās (rays). Then like the sphere of the sun which shines fully after the clouds (screening it) disperse, Parabrahman (alone) shines.". (Kali-Saṇṭāraṇa Upanishad)




So yes, your family and the saints you met are right about the original mantra beginning from "Hare Rama". It was only modified by Gaudiya Vaishnavas because of their preference/importance to Krishna.



As a sidenote, I would like to add that in the mantra, "Rama" refers to the Maryada Purushottam Rama but according to the Gaudiya Vaishnava interpretation, "Rama" refers to Balarama, the elder brother of Krishna.







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    How do you know that Kali Upanishad mentioned this mantra? There are copies of same Upanishad which mentions different mantra i.e starting with Hare Krishna.

    – Lokesh
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  • @Lokesh The earliest available copy of the Upanishad begins with "Hare Rama..."

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    Jan 30 at 13:18







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    Do you have any citation to prove that or anything similar?

    – Lokesh
    Jan 31 at 17:15












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    How do you know that Kali Upanishad mentioned this mantra? There are copies of same Upanishad which mentions different mantra i.e starting with Hare Krishna.

    – Lokesh
    Jan 29 at 16:51











  • @Lokesh The earliest available copy of the Upanishad begins with "Hare Rama..."

    – Surya Kanta Bose Chowdhury
    Jan 30 at 13:18







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    Do you have any citation to prove that or anything similar?

    – Lokesh
    Jan 31 at 17:15







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How do you know that Kali Upanishad mentioned this mantra? There are copies of same Upanishad which mentions different mantra i.e starting with Hare Krishna.

– Lokesh
Jan 29 at 16:51





How do you know that Kali Upanishad mentioned this mantra? There are copies of same Upanishad which mentions different mantra i.e starting with Hare Krishna.

– Lokesh
Jan 29 at 16:51













@Lokesh The earliest available copy of the Upanishad begins with "Hare Rama..."

– Surya Kanta Bose Chowdhury
Jan 30 at 13:18






@Lokesh The earliest available copy of the Upanishad begins with "Hare Rama..."

– Surya Kanta Bose Chowdhury
Jan 30 at 13:18





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Do you have any citation to prove that or anything similar?

– Lokesh
Jan 31 at 17:15





Do you have any citation to prove that or anything similar?

– Lokesh
Jan 31 at 17:15











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Quoting from the book "Mahamantrakalpataru" by Sri Sitaramdas Omkarnath and also Sitaram-Leela-Alekhya by Promodranjan Gupta:




The original mantra given in the Kalisantaranopanishad started with Hare Rama and the second line started with Hare Krishna. It was a Veda mantra and meant for the Brahmins alone :"Sarvadaa suchirasuchhirvaa pathan BRAHAMANA salokataam sameepataam saayujyataam eti" meaning a brahmin chanting it in pure and impure state can attain different types of Mukti(Ref: Sitaram-Leela-Alekhya, By Prof.Promodranjan Gupta,Mahamilan Math,page 220). Mahaprabhu Sri Chaitanya changed the order making it stating with Hare Krishna so that any one can chant it, while keeping the result of chanting ie getting rid of the evils of Kali-Yuga and so being illumined unharmed. His version was supported by Radhatantra, Brahmanda-Purana andYogasara-Tantra.




So only for the Brahmins who obey all the scriptural orders, the version starting from Hare Rama is chantable.






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    "Meant for brahmins only" No, the Kali-Saṇṭāraṇa Upanishad itself says that it is for all.

    – Krishna Shweta
    Jan 29 at 15:52











  • @KrishnaShweta None of the Upanishads can be for all. They contain OM and are cosidered part of the vedas

    – Partha
    Jan 29 at 15:54











  • Brahma replied that there were no rules for it. Whoever in a pure or an impure state, utters these always, attains the same world of, or proximity with, or the same form of, or absorption into Brahma. Nowhere it says that this mantra is for only brahmins

    – Krishna Shweta
    Jan 29 at 15:57






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    When the source of mantra itself is saying then what's the need of other injections?

    – Krishna Shweta
    Jan 29 at 16:01






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    @SuryaKantaBoseChowdhury yes, my pleasure. Omkarnath Rachanavali in 13 volumes, Pranava prema pijusha Vasya of Gita and His commentaries on Chandi are available at Mahamilan Math near Dakshineswar, Kolkata

    – Partha
    Feb 1 at 8:58















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Quoting from the book "Mahamantrakalpataru" by Sri Sitaramdas Omkarnath and also Sitaram-Leela-Alekhya by Promodranjan Gupta:




The original mantra given in the Kalisantaranopanishad started with Hare Rama and the second line started with Hare Krishna. It was a Veda mantra and meant for the Brahmins alone :"Sarvadaa suchirasuchhirvaa pathan BRAHAMANA salokataam sameepataam saayujyataam eti" meaning a brahmin chanting it in pure and impure state can attain different types of Mukti(Ref: Sitaram-Leela-Alekhya, By Prof.Promodranjan Gupta,Mahamilan Math,page 220). Mahaprabhu Sri Chaitanya changed the order making it stating with Hare Krishna so that any one can chant it, while keeping the result of chanting ie getting rid of the evils of Kali-Yuga and so being illumined unharmed. His version was supported by Radhatantra, Brahmanda-Purana andYogasara-Tantra.




So only for the Brahmins who obey all the scriptural orders, the version starting from Hare Rama is chantable.






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    "Meant for brahmins only" No, the Kali-Saṇṭāraṇa Upanishad itself says that it is for all.

    – Krishna Shweta
    Jan 29 at 15:52











  • @KrishnaShweta None of the Upanishads can be for all. They contain OM and are cosidered part of the vedas

    – Partha
    Jan 29 at 15:54











  • Brahma replied that there were no rules for it. Whoever in a pure or an impure state, utters these always, attains the same world of, or proximity with, or the same form of, or absorption into Brahma. Nowhere it says that this mantra is for only brahmins

    – Krishna Shweta
    Jan 29 at 15:57






  • 3





    When the source of mantra itself is saying then what's the need of other injections?

    – Krishna Shweta
    Jan 29 at 16:01






  • 1





    @SuryaKantaBoseChowdhury yes, my pleasure. Omkarnath Rachanavali in 13 volumes, Pranava prema pijusha Vasya of Gita and His commentaries on Chandi are available at Mahamilan Math near Dakshineswar, Kolkata

    – Partha
    Feb 1 at 8:58













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Quoting from the book "Mahamantrakalpataru" by Sri Sitaramdas Omkarnath and also Sitaram-Leela-Alekhya by Promodranjan Gupta:




The original mantra given in the Kalisantaranopanishad started with Hare Rama and the second line started with Hare Krishna. It was a Veda mantra and meant for the Brahmins alone :"Sarvadaa suchirasuchhirvaa pathan BRAHAMANA salokataam sameepataam saayujyataam eti" meaning a brahmin chanting it in pure and impure state can attain different types of Mukti(Ref: Sitaram-Leela-Alekhya, By Prof.Promodranjan Gupta,Mahamilan Math,page 220). Mahaprabhu Sri Chaitanya changed the order making it stating with Hare Krishna so that any one can chant it, while keeping the result of chanting ie getting rid of the evils of Kali-Yuga and so being illumined unharmed. His version was supported by Radhatantra, Brahmanda-Purana andYogasara-Tantra.




So only for the Brahmins who obey all the scriptural orders, the version starting from Hare Rama is chantable.






share|improve this answer















Quoting from the book "Mahamantrakalpataru" by Sri Sitaramdas Omkarnath and also Sitaram-Leela-Alekhya by Promodranjan Gupta:




The original mantra given in the Kalisantaranopanishad started with Hare Rama and the second line started with Hare Krishna. It was a Veda mantra and meant for the Brahmins alone :"Sarvadaa suchirasuchhirvaa pathan BRAHAMANA salokataam sameepataam saayujyataam eti" meaning a brahmin chanting it in pure and impure state can attain different types of Mukti(Ref: Sitaram-Leela-Alekhya, By Prof.Promodranjan Gupta,Mahamilan Math,page 220). Mahaprabhu Sri Chaitanya changed the order making it stating with Hare Krishna so that any one can chant it, while keeping the result of chanting ie getting rid of the evils of Kali-Yuga and so being illumined unharmed. His version was supported by Radhatantra, Brahmanda-Purana andYogasara-Tantra.




So only for the Brahmins who obey all the scriptural orders, the version starting from Hare Rama is chantable.







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    "Meant for brahmins only" No, the Kali-Saṇṭāraṇa Upanishad itself says that it is for all.

    – Krishna Shweta
    Jan 29 at 15:52











  • @KrishnaShweta None of the Upanishads can be for all. They contain OM and are cosidered part of the vedas

    – Partha
    Jan 29 at 15:54











  • Brahma replied that there were no rules for it. Whoever in a pure or an impure state, utters these always, attains the same world of, or proximity with, or the same form of, or absorption into Brahma. Nowhere it says that this mantra is for only brahmins

    – Krishna Shweta
    Jan 29 at 15:57






  • 3





    When the source of mantra itself is saying then what's the need of other injections?

    – Krishna Shweta
    Jan 29 at 16:01






  • 1





    @SuryaKantaBoseChowdhury yes, my pleasure. Omkarnath Rachanavali in 13 volumes, Pranava prema pijusha Vasya of Gita and His commentaries on Chandi are available at Mahamilan Math near Dakshineswar, Kolkata

    – Partha
    Feb 1 at 8:58












  • 2





    "Meant for brahmins only" No, the Kali-Saṇṭāraṇa Upanishad itself says that it is for all.

    – Krishna Shweta
    Jan 29 at 15:52











  • @KrishnaShweta None of the Upanishads can be for all. They contain OM and are cosidered part of the vedas

    – Partha
    Jan 29 at 15:54











  • Brahma replied that there were no rules for it. Whoever in a pure or an impure state, utters these always, attains the same world of, or proximity with, or the same form of, or absorption into Brahma. Nowhere it says that this mantra is for only brahmins

    – Krishna Shweta
    Jan 29 at 15:57






  • 3





    When the source of mantra itself is saying then what's the need of other injections?

    – Krishna Shweta
    Jan 29 at 16:01






  • 1





    @SuryaKantaBoseChowdhury yes, my pleasure. Omkarnath Rachanavali in 13 volumes, Pranava prema pijusha Vasya of Gita and His commentaries on Chandi are available at Mahamilan Math near Dakshineswar, Kolkata

    – Partha
    Feb 1 at 8:58







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2





"Meant for brahmins only" No, the Kali-Saṇṭāraṇa Upanishad itself says that it is for all.

– Krishna Shweta
Jan 29 at 15:52





"Meant for brahmins only" No, the Kali-Saṇṭāraṇa Upanishad itself says that it is for all.

– Krishna Shweta
Jan 29 at 15:52













@KrishnaShweta None of the Upanishads can be for all. They contain OM and are cosidered part of the vedas

– Partha
Jan 29 at 15:54





@KrishnaShweta None of the Upanishads can be for all. They contain OM and are cosidered part of the vedas

– Partha
Jan 29 at 15:54













Brahma replied that there were no rules for it. Whoever in a pure or an impure state, utters these always, attains the same world of, or proximity with, or the same form of, or absorption into Brahma. Nowhere it says that this mantra is for only brahmins

– Krishna Shweta
Jan 29 at 15:57





Brahma replied that there were no rules for it. Whoever in a pure or an impure state, utters these always, attains the same world of, or proximity with, or the same form of, or absorption into Brahma. Nowhere it says that this mantra is for only brahmins

– Krishna Shweta
Jan 29 at 15:57




3




3





When the source of mantra itself is saying then what's the need of other injections?

– Krishna Shweta
Jan 29 at 16:01





When the source of mantra itself is saying then what's the need of other injections?

– Krishna Shweta
Jan 29 at 16:01




1




1





@SuryaKantaBoseChowdhury yes, my pleasure. Omkarnath Rachanavali in 13 volumes, Pranava prema pijusha Vasya of Gita and His commentaries on Chandi are available at Mahamilan Math near Dakshineswar, Kolkata

– Partha
Feb 1 at 8:58





@SuryaKantaBoseChowdhury yes, my pleasure. Omkarnath Rachanavali in 13 volumes, Pranava prema pijusha Vasya of Gita and His commentaries on Chandi are available at Mahamilan Math near Dakshineswar, Kolkata

– Partha
Feb 1 at 8:58











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Actually both the mantras, starting with Hare Krishna and Hare Rama are mentioned in our scriptures, but the mantra starting with Hare Krishna has been considered of highest importance because Krishna is the supreme personality of godhead according to the scriptures. Also Rama in the mantra is non another than Lord Sri Rama who appeared in treta yuga . It is also mentioned that Rama is another name of Sri Krishna which means one who gives pleasure to others and that's why he appeared as Lord Sri Rama in treta yuga. So It doesn't matter much whether you chant Hare Krishna first or Hare Rama first, but if you are considering the highest of all the mantras then you should chant Hare Krishna first.






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    Welcome to hinduism! - Kindly do cite a reference which highlights mantra starting with Krishna is of highest importance!!

    – Akshay S
    Jan 29 at 10:48











  • Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare Hare harer nama harer nama harer namaiva kevalam kalau nasty eva nasty eva nasty eva gatir anyatha "“In this age of quarrel and hypocrisy the only means of deliverance is chanting of the holy name of ONLY Lord Hari. There is no other way. There is no other way. There is no other way.” (Brhad Naradiya Purana)

    – VIVEK SINGH
    Jan 30 at 16:26











  • hare krishna hare krishna, krishna krishna hare hare. hare rama hare rama, rama rama hare hare; [5] Lord Brahma replied, “Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare; Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare. iti shodashakam namnam, kali-kalmasha-nashanam; natah parataropayah, sarva-vedeshu drishyate. [6] This sixteen words mantra are especially meant for completely destroying all the contamination of Kali. To save oneself from the contamination of Kali-yuga, there is no alternative in all theVedas except the chanting of this sixteen-word mantra. (Kali Santarana Upanishad)

    – VIVEK SINGH
    Jan 30 at 16:28
















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Actually both the mantras, starting with Hare Krishna and Hare Rama are mentioned in our scriptures, but the mantra starting with Hare Krishna has been considered of highest importance because Krishna is the supreme personality of godhead according to the scriptures. Also Rama in the mantra is non another than Lord Sri Rama who appeared in treta yuga . It is also mentioned that Rama is another name of Sri Krishna which means one who gives pleasure to others and that's why he appeared as Lord Sri Rama in treta yuga. So It doesn't matter much whether you chant Hare Krishna first or Hare Rama first, but if you are considering the highest of all the mantras then you should chant Hare Krishna first.






share|improve this answer


















  • 1





    Welcome to hinduism! - Kindly do cite a reference which highlights mantra starting with Krishna is of highest importance!!

    – Akshay S
    Jan 29 at 10:48











  • Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare Hare harer nama harer nama harer namaiva kevalam kalau nasty eva nasty eva nasty eva gatir anyatha "“In this age of quarrel and hypocrisy the only means of deliverance is chanting of the holy name of ONLY Lord Hari. There is no other way. There is no other way. There is no other way.” (Brhad Naradiya Purana)

    – VIVEK SINGH
    Jan 30 at 16:26











  • hare krishna hare krishna, krishna krishna hare hare. hare rama hare rama, rama rama hare hare; [5] Lord Brahma replied, “Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare; Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare. iti shodashakam namnam, kali-kalmasha-nashanam; natah parataropayah, sarva-vedeshu drishyate. [6] This sixteen words mantra are especially meant for completely destroying all the contamination of Kali. To save oneself from the contamination of Kali-yuga, there is no alternative in all theVedas except the chanting of this sixteen-word mantra. (Kali Santarana Upanishad)

    – VIVEK SINGH
    Jan 30 at 16:28














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Actually both the mantras, starting with Hare Krishna and Hare Rama are mentioned in our scriptures, but the mantra starting with Hare Krishna has been considered of highest importance because Krishna is the supreme personality of godhead according to the scriptures. Also Rama in the mantra is non another than Lord Sri Rama who appeared in treta yuga . It is also mentioned that Rama is another name of Sri Krishna which means one who gives pleasure to others and that's why he appeared as Lord Sri Rama in treta yuga. So It doesn't matter much whether you chant Hare Krishna first or Hare Rama first, but if you are considering the highest of all the mantras then you should chant Hare Krishna first.






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Actually both the mantras, starting with Hare Krishna and Hare Rama are mentioned in our scriptures, but the mantra starting with Hare Krishna has been considered of highest importance because Krishna is the supreme personality of godhead according to the scriptures. Also Rama in the mantra is non another than Lord Sri Rama who appeared in treta yuga . It is also mentioned that Rama is another name of Sri Krishna which means one who gives pleasure to others and that's why he appeared as Lord Sri Rama in treta yuga. So It doesn't matter much whether you chant Hare Krishna first or Hare Rama first, but if you are considering the highest of all the mantras then you should chant Hare Krishna first.







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  • 1





    Welcome to hinduism! - Kindly do cite a reference which highlights mantra starting with Krishna is of highest importance!!

    – Akshay S
    Jan 29 at 10:48











  • Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare Hare harer nama harer nama harer namaiva kevalam kalau nasty eva nasty eva nasty eva gatir anyatha "“In this age of quarrel and hypocrisy the only means of deliverance is chanting of the holy name of ONLY Lord Hari. There is no other way. There is no other way. There is no other way.” (Brhad Naradiya Purana)

    – VIVEK SINGH
    Jan 30 at 16:26











  • hare krishna hare krishna, krishna krishna hare hare. hare rama hare rama, rama rama hare hare; [5] Lord Brahma replied, “Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare; Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare. iti shodashakam namnam, kali-kalmasha-nashanam; natah parataropayah, sarva-vedeshu drishyate. [6] This sixteen words mantra are especially meant for completely destroying all the contamination of Kali. To save oneself from the contamination of Kali-yuga, there is no alternative in all theVedas except the chanting of this sixteen-word mantra. (Kali Santarana Upanishad)

    – VIVEK SINGH
    Jan 30 at 16:28













  • 1





    Welcome to hinduism! - Kindly do cite a reference which highlights mantra starting with Krishna is of highest importance!!

    – Akshay S
    Jan 29 at 10:48











  • Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare Hare harer nama harer nama harer namaiva kevalam kalau nasty eva nasty eva nasty eva gatir anyatha "“In this age of quarrel and hypocrisy the only means of deliverance is chanting of the holy name of ONLY Lord Hari. There is no other way. There is no other way. There is no other way.” (Brhad Naradiya Purana)

    – VIVEK SINGH
    Jan 30 at 16:26











  • hare krishna hare krishna, krishna krishna hare hare. hare rama hare rama, rama rama hare hare; [5] Lord Brahma replied, “Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare; Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare. iti shodashakam namnam, kali-kalmasha-nashanam; natah parataropayah, sarva-vedeshu drishyate. [6] This sixteen words mantra are especially meant for completely destroying all the contamination of Kali. To save oneself from the contamination of Kali-yuga, there is no alternative in all theVedas except the chanting of this sixteen-word mantra. (Kali Santarana Upanishad)

    – VIVEK SINGH
    Jan 30 at 16:28








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1





Welcome to hinduism! - Kindly do cite a reference which highlights mantra starting with Krishna is of highest importance!!

– Akshay S
Jan 29 at 10:48





Welcome to hinduism! - Kindly do cite a reference which highlights mantra starting with Krishna is of highest importance!!

– Akshay S
Jan 29 at 10:48













Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare Hare harer nama harer nama harer namaiva kevalam kalau nasty eva nasty eva nasty eva gatir anyatha "“In this age of quarrel and hypocrisy the only means of deliverance is chanting of the holy name of ONLY Lord Hari. There is no other way. There is no other way. There is no other way.” (Brhad Naradiya Purana)

– VIVEK SINGH
Jan 30 at 16:26





Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare Hare harer nama harer nama harer namaiva kevalam kalau nasty eva nasty eva nasty eva gatir anyatha "“In this age of quarrel and hypocrisy the only means of deliverance is chanting of the holy name of ONLY Lord Hari. There is no other way. There is no other way. There is no other way.” (Brhad Naradiya Purana)

– VIVEK SINGH
Jan 30 at 16:26













hare krishna hare krishna, krishna krishna hare hare. hare rama hare rama, rama rama hare hare; [5] Lord Brahma replied, “Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare; Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare. iti shodashakam namnam, kali-kalmasha-nashanam; natah parataropayah, sarva-vedeshu drishyate. [6] This sixteen words mantra are especially meant for completely destroying all the contamination of Kali. To save oneself from the contamination of Kali-yuga, there is no alternative in all theVedas except the chanting of this sixteen-word mantra. (Kali Santarana Upanishad)

– VIVEK SINGH
Jan 30 at 16:28






hare krishna hare krishna, krishna krishna hare hare. hare rama hare rama, rama rama hare hare; [5] Lord Brahma replied, “Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare; Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare. iti shodashakam namnam, kali-kalmasha-nashanam; natah parataropayah, sarva-vedeshu drishyate. [6] This sixteen words mantra are especially meant for completely destroying all the contamination of Kali. To save oneself from the contamination of Kali-yuga, there is no alternative in all theVedas except the chanting of this sixteen-word mantra. (Kali Santarana Upanishad)

– VIVEK SINGH
Jan 30 at 16:28



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