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$$(x_n)_ngeq 2 x_n=sqrt[n]1+sum_k=2^n(k-1)(k-1)! $$
$$lim_nrightarrow infty fracx_nn=?$$
I'm trying to solve the sum I but I don't know how to rewrite it.Can you give me some hints?
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The sum $sum_k=2^n(k-1)(k-1)!$ should be $(n! - 1)$ so $x_n=sqrt[n]n!$.The limit would be $lim_nrightarrow infty sqrt[n]fracn!n^n$ .If I use cauchy d'alembert criterion and make some simplifications I would get $e^-1$ (the right answer)My problem is that sum.How I obtain $n! - 1$ ?
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$$(x_n)_ngeq 2 x_n=sqrt[n]1+sum_k=2^n(k-1)(k-1)! $$
$$lim_nrightarrow infty fracx_nn=?$$
I'm trying to solve the sum I but I don't know how to rewrite it.Can you give me some hints?
edit:
The sum $sum_k=2^n(k-1)(k-1)!$ should be $(n! - 1)$ so $x_n=sqrt[n]n!$.The limit would be $lim_nrightarrow infty sqrt[n]fracn!n^n$ .If I use cauchy d'alembert criterion and make some simplifications I would get $e^-1$ (the right answer)My problem is that sum.How I obtain $n! - 1$ ?
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$$(x_n)_ngeq 2 x_n=sqrt[n]1+sum_k=2^n(k-1)(k-1)! $$
$$lim_nrightarrow infty fracx_nn=?$$
I'm trying to solve the sum I but I don't know how to rewrite it.Can you give me some hints?
edit:
The sum $sum_k=2^n(k-1)(k-1)!$ should be $(n! - 1)$ so $x_n=sqrt[n]n!$.The limit would be $lim_nrightarrow infty sqrt[n]fracn!n^n$ .If I use cauchy d'alembert criterion and make some simplifications I would get $e^-1$ (the right answer)My problem is that sum.How I obtain $n! - 1$ ?
calculus limits
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$$(x_n)_ngeq 2 x_n=sqrt[n]1+sum_k=2^n(k-1)(k-1)! $$
$$lim_nrightarrow infty fracx_nn=?$$
I'm trying to solve the sum I but I don't know how to rewrite it.Can you give me some hints?
edit:
The sum $sum_k=2^n(k-1)(k-1)!$ should be $(n! - 1)$ so $x_n=sqrt[n]n!$.The limit would be $lim_nrightarrow infty sqrt[n]fracn!n^n$ .If I use cauchy d'alembert criterion and make some simplifications I would get $e^-1$ (the right answer)My problem is that sum.How I obtain $n! - 1$ ?
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Very roughly, the sum will be dominated by the last term. You can then apply Stiriling's approximation to the last term
$$(n-1)(n-1)!approx frac (n-1)^ne^n-1sqrt 2pi (n-1)$$
The $n^th$ root of this goes to $frac n-1e$ so the limit goes to $frac 1e$
You need to justify the approximations made, particularly the one about considering only the last term of the sum.
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Hi, thank you the response.The sum $sum_k=2^n(k-1)(k-1)!$ should be $n! - 1$ so $x_n=sqrt[n]n!$.The limit would be $lim_nrightarrow infty sqrt[n]fracn!n^n$ .If I use cauchy d'alembert criterion I would get $e^-1$ (the right answer)My problem is that sum.How I obtain $n! - 1$ ?
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– DaniVaja
Feb 4 at 22:18
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As Vladimir said, you should ask the question you have. I would use induction. Show it is true for $k=2$, which is easy, then assume it is true up to $k$ and show it holds for $k+1$.
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– Ross Millikan
Feb 4 at 23:36
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Well, using Stirling's formula $m!=(m/e)^msqrt2pi m(1+o(1))$ as $mtoinfty$, we find that the radicand for large $k$ is $((n-1)/e)^n-1 A_n$, where $1le A_nle Cn^5/2$ with some positive constant $C$ independent of $n$. Hence $lim_ntoinftysqrt[n]A_n=1$, and we obtain
$$
lim_ntoinfty fracx_nn=lim_ntoinftyfrac(n-1)^(n-1)/nne^(n-1)/n=frac1e.
$$
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Hi, thank you the response.The sum $sum_k=2^n(k-1)(k-1)!$ should be $n! - 1$ so $x_n=sqrt[n]n!$.The limit would be $lim_nrightarrow infty sqrt[n]fracn!n^n$ .If I use cauchy d'alembert criterion I would get $e^-1$ (the right answer)My problem is that sum.How I obtain $n! - 1$ ?
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– DaniVaja
Feb 4 at 22:18
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If that's your real problem, you should have written it in your question in the first place. We only try to answer questions posed and cannot generally read between the lines. Sorry, but I cannot be helpful further with your problem/
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– Vladimir
Feb 4 at 22:22
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Note that $(k-1)(k-1)!$ is very nearly $k(k-1)!$, which is $k!$. We'll use that:
$$
sum_k=2^n (k-1)(k-1)! + sum_k=2^n (k-1)! = sum_k=2^n (k-1+1)(k-1)! = sum_k=2^n k!
$$
Then (careful with the limits):
$$
sum_k=2^n (k-1)(k-1)! = sum_k=2^n k! - sum_k=2^n (k-1)! = sum_k=2^n k! - sum_k=1^n-1 k! = n! - 1! tag*
$$
because almost all the terms cancel out.
Edit: neater train of thought, but technically the same:
Observe that $(k-1)(k-1)! = k! - (k-1)!$, and then follow with $(*)$.
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Thanks a lot! :)
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Feb 5 at 21:02
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Very roughly, the sum will be dominated by the last term. You can then apply Stiriling's approximation to the last term
$$(n-1)(n-1)!approx frac (n-1)^ne^n-1sqrt 2pi (n-1)$$
The $n^th$ root of this goes to $frac n-1e$ so the limit goes to $frac 1e$
You need to justify the approximations made, particularly the one about considering only the last term of the sum.
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Hi, thank you the response.The sum $sum_k=2^n(k-1)(k-1)!$ should be $n! - 1$ so $x_n=sqrt[n]n!$.The limit would be $lim_nrightarrow infty sqrt[n]fracn!n^n$ .If I use cauchy d'alembert criterion I would get $e^-1$ (the right answer)My problem is that sum.How I obtain $n! - 1$ ?
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– DaniVaja
Feb 4 at 22:18
1
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As Vladimir said, you should ask the question you have. I would use induction. Show it is true for $k=2$, which is easy, then assume it is true up to $k$ and show it holds for $k+1$.
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– Ross Millikan
Feb 4 at 23:36
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$begingroup$
Very roughly, the sum will be dominated by the last term. You can then apply Stiriling's approximation to the last term
$$(n-1)(n-1)!approx frac (n-1)^ne^n-1sqrt 2pi (n-1)$$
The $n^th$ root of this goes to $frac n-1e$ so the limit goes to $frac 1e$
You need to justify the approximations made, particularly the one about considering only the last term of the sum.
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Hi, thank you the response.The sum $sum_k=2^n(k-1)(k-1)!$ should be $n! - 1$ so $x_n=sqrt[n]n!$.The limit would be $lim_nrightarrow infty sqrt[n]fracn!n^n$ .If I use cauchy d'alembert criterion I would get $e^-1$ (the right answer)My problem is that sum.How I obtain $n! - 1$ ?
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– DaniVaja
Feb 4 at 22:18
1
$begingroup$
As Vladimir said, you should ask the question you have. I would use induction. Show it is true for $k=2$, which is easy, then assume it is true up to $k$ and show it holds for $k+1$.
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– Ross Millikan
Feb 4 at 23:36
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Very roughly, the sum will be dominated by the last term. You can then apply Stiriling's approximation to the last term
$$(n-1)(n-1)!approx frac (n-1)^ne^n-1sqrt 2pi (n-1)$$
The $n^th$ root of this goes to $frac n-1e$ so the limit goes to $frac 1e$
You need to justify the approximations made, particularly the one about considering only the last term of the sum.
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Very roughly, the sum will be dominated by the last term. You can then apply Stiriling's approximation to the last term
$$(n-1)(n-1)!approx frac (n-1)^ne^n-1sqrt 2pi (n-1)$$
The $n^th$ root of this goes to $frac n-1e$ so the limit goes to $frac 1e$
You need to justify the approximations made, particularly the one about considering only the last term of the sum.
answered Feb 4 at 22:00
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Hi, thank you the response.The sum $sum_k=2^n(k-1)(k-1)!$ should be $n! - 1$ so $x_n=sqrt[n]n!$.The limit would be $lim_nrightarrow infty sqrt[n]fracn!n^n$ .If I use cauchy d'alembert criterion I would get $e^-1$ (the right answer)My problem is that sum.How I obtain $n! - 1$ ?
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– DaniVaja
Feb 4 at 22:18
1
$begingroup$
As Vladimir said, you should ask the question you have. I would use induction. Show it is true for $k=2$, which is easy, then assume it is true up to $k$ and show it holds for $k+1$.
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– Ross Millikan
Feb 4 at 23:36
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Hi, thank you the response.The sum $sum_k=2^n(k-1)(k-1)!$ should be $n! - 1$ so $x_n=sqrt[n]n!$.The limit would be $lim_nrightarrow infty sqrt[n]fracn!n^n$ .If I use cauchy d'alembert criterion I would get $e^-1$ (the right answer)My problem is that sum.How I obtain $n! - 1$ ?
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– DaniVaja
Feb 4 at 22:18
1
$begingroup$
As Vladimir said, you should ask the question you have. I would use induction. Show it is true for $k=2$, which is easy, then assume it is true up to $k$ and show it holds for $k+1$.
$endgroup$
– Ross Millikan
Feb 4 at 23:36
$begingroup$
Hi, thank you the response.The sum $sum_k=2^n(k-1)(k-1)!$ should be $n! - 1$ so $x_n=sqrt[n]n!$.The limit would be $lim_nrightarrow infty sqrt[n]fracn!n^n$ .If I use cauchy d'alembert criterion I would get $e^-1$ (the right answer)My problem is that sum.How I obtain $n! - 1$ ?
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– DaniVaja
Feb 4 at 22:18
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Hi, thank you the response.The sum $sum_k=2^n(k-1)(k-1)!$ should be $n! - 1$ so $x_n=sqrt[n]n!$.The limit would be $lim_nrightarrow infty sqrt[n]fracn!n^n$ .If I use cauchy d'alembert criterion I would get $e^-1$ (the right answer)My problem is that sum.How I obtain $n! - 1$ ?
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– DaniVaja
Feb 4 at 22:18
1
1
$begingroup$
As Vladimir said, you should ask the question you have. I would use induction. Show it is true for $k=2$, which is easy, then assume it is true up to $k$ and show it holds for $k+1$.
$endgroup$
– Ross Millikan
Feb 4 at 23:36
$begingroup$
As Vladimir said, you should ask the question you have. I would use induction. Show it is true for $k=2$, which is easy, then assume it is true up to $k$ and show it holds for $k+1$.
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– Ross Millikan
Feb 4 at 23:36
add a comment |
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Well, using Stirling's formula $m!=(m/e)^msqrt2pi m(1+o(1))$ as $mtoinfty$, we find that the radicand for large $k$ is $((n-1)/e)^n-1 A_n$, where $1le A_nle Cn^5/2$ with some positive constant $C$ independent of $n$. Hence $lim_ntoinftysqrt[n]A_n=1$, and we obtain
$$
lim_ntoinfty fracx_nn=lim_ntoinftyfrac(n-1)^(n-1)/nne^(n-1)/n=frac1e.
$$
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$begingroup$
Hi, thank you the response.The sum $sum_k=2^n(k-1)(k-1)!$ should be $n! - 1$ so $x_n=sqrt[n]n!$.The limit would be $lim_nrightarrow infty sqrt[n]fracn!n^n$ .If I use cauchy d'alembert criterion I would get $e^-1$ (the right answer)My problem is that sum.How I obtain $n! - 1$ ?
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– DaniVaja
Feb 4 at 22:18
1
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If that's your real problem, you should have written it in your question in the first place. We only try to answer questions posed and cannot generally read between the lines. Sorry, but I cannot be helpful further with your problem/
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– Vladimir
Feb 4 at 22:22
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Well, using Stirling's formula $m!=(m/e)^msqrt2pi m(1+o(1))$ as $mtoinfty$, we find that the radicand for large $k$ is $((n-1)/e)^n-1 A_n$, where $1le A_nle Cn^5/2$ with some positive constant $C$ independent of $n$. Hence $lim_ntoinftysqrt[n]A_n=1$, and we obtain
$$
lim_ntoinfty fracx_nn=lim_ntoinftyfrac(n-1)^(n-1)/nne^(n-1)/n=frac1e.
$$
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$begingroup$
Hi, thank you the response.The sum $sum_k=2^n(k-1)(k-1)!$ should be $n! - 1$ so $x_n=sqrt[n]n!$.The limit would be $lim_nrightarrow infty sqrt[n]fracn!n^n$ .If I use cauchy d'alembert criterion I would get $e^-1$ (the right answer)My problem is that sum.How I obtain $n! - 1$ ?
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– DaniVaja
Feb 4 at 22:18
1
$begingroup$
If that's your real problem, you should have written it in your question in the first place. We only try to answer questions posed and cannot generally read between the lines. Sorry, but I cannot be helpful further with your problem/
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– Vladimir
Feb 4 at 22:22
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Well, using Stirling's formula $m!=(m/e)^msqrt2pi m(1+o(1))$ as $mtoinfty$, we find that the radicand for large $k$ is $((n-1)/e)^n-1 A_n$, where $1le A_nle Cn^5/2$ with some positive constant $C$ independent of $n$. Hence $lim_ntoinftysqrt[n]A_n=1$, and we obtain
$$
lim_ntoinfty fracx_nn=lim_ntoinftyfrac(n-1)^(n-1)/nne^(n-1)/n=frac1e.
$$
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Well, using Stirling's formula $m!=(m/e)^msqrt2pi m(1+o(1))$ as $mtoinfty$, we find that the radicand for large $k$ is $((n-1)/e)^n-1 A_n$, where $1le A_nle Cn^5/2$ with some positive constant $C$ independent of $n$. Hence $lim_ntoinftysqrt[n]A_n=1$, and we obtain
$$
lim_ntoinfty fracx_nn=lim_ntoinftyfrac(n-1)^(n-1)/nne^(n-1)/n=frac1e.
$$
answered Feb 4 at 22:04
VladimirVladimir
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Hi, thank you the response.The sum $sum_k=2^n(k-1)(k-1)!$ should be $n! - 1$ so $x_n=sqrt[n]n!$.The limit would be $lim_nrightarrow infty sqrt[n]fracn!n^n$ .If I use cauchy d'alembert criterion I would get $e^-1$ (the right answer)My problem is that sum.How I obtain $n! - 1$ ?
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– DaniVaja
Feb 4 at 22:18
1
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If that's your real problem, you should have written it in your question in the first place. We only try to answer questions posed and cannot generally read between the lines. Sorry, but I cannot be helpful further with your problem/
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– Vladimir
Feb 4 at 22:22
add a comment |
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Hi, thank you the response.The sum $sum_k=2^n(k-1)(k-1)!$ should be $n! - 1$ so $x_n=sqrt[n]n!$.The limit would be $lim_nrightarrow infty sqrt[n]fracn!n^n$ .If I use cauchy d'alembert criterion I would get $e^-1$ (the right answer)My problem is that sum.How I obtain $n! - 1$ ?
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– DaniVaja
Feb 4 at 22:18
1
$begingroup$
If that's your real problem, you should have written it in your question in the first place. We only try to answer questions posed and cannot generally read between the lines. Sorry, but I cannot be helpful further with your problem/
$endgroup$
– Vladimir
Feb 4 at 22:22
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Hi, thank you the response.The sum $sum_k=2^n(k-1)(k-1)!$ should be $n! - 1$ so $x_n=sqrt[n]n!$.The limit would be $lim_nrightarrow infty sqrt[n]fracn!n^n$ .If I use cauchy d'alembert criterion I would get $e^-1$ (the right answer)My problem is that sum.How I obtain $n! - 1$ ?
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– DaniVaja
Feb 4 at 22:18
$begingroup$
Hi, thank you the response.The sum $sum_k=2^n(k-1)(k-1)!$ should be $n! - 1$ so $x_n=sqrt[n]n!$.The limit would be $lim_nrightarrow infty sqrt[n]fracn!n^n$ .If I use cauchy d'alembert criterion I would get $e^-1$ (the right answer)My problem is that sum.How I obtain $n! - 1$ ?
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– DaniVaja
Feb 4 at 22:18
1
1
$begingroup$
If that's your real problem, you should have written it in your question in the first place. We only try to answer questions posed and cannot generally read between the lines. Sorry, but I cannot be helpful further with your problem/
$endgroup$
– Vladimir
Feb 4 at 22:22
$begingroup$
If that's your real problem, you should have written it in your question in the first place. We only try to answer questions posed and cannot generally read between the lines. Sorry, but I cannot be helpful further with your problem/
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– Vladimir
Feb 4 at 22:22
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Note that $(k-1)(k-1)!$ is very nearly $k(k-1)!$, which is $k!$. We'll use that:
$$
sum_k=2^n (k-1)(k-1)! + sum_k=2^n (k-1)! = sum_k=2^n (k-1+1)(k-1)! = sum_k=2^n k!
$$
Then (careful with the limits):
$$
sum_k=2^n (k-1)(k-1)! = sum_k=2^n k! - sum_k=2^n (k-1)! = sum_k=2^n k! - sum_k=1^n-1 k! = n! - 1! tag*
$$
because almost all the terms cancel out.
Edit: neater train of thought, but technically the same:
Observe that $(k-1)(k-1)! = k! - (k-1)!$, and then follow with $(*)$.
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Thanks a lot! :)
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– DaniVaja
Feb 5 at 21:02
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Note that $(k-1)(k-1)!$ is very nearly $k(k-1)!$, which is $k!$. We'll use that:
$$
sum_k=2^n (k-1)(k-1)! + sum_k=2^n (k-1)! = sum_k=2^n (k-1+1)(k-1)! = sum_k=2^n k!
$$
Then (careful with the limits):
$$
sum_k=2^n (k-1)(k-1)! = sum_k=2^n k! - sum_k=2^n (k-1)! = sum_k=2^n k! - sum_k=1^n-1 k! = n! - 1! tag*
$$
because almost all the terms cancel out.
Edit: neater train of thought, but technically the same:
Observe that $(k-1)(k-1)! = k! - (k-1)!$, and then follow with $(*)$.
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Thanks a lot! :)
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– DaniVaja
Feb 5 at 21:02
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Note that $(k-1)(k-1)!$ is very nearly $k(k-1)!$, which is $k!$. We'll use that:
$$
sum_k=2^n (k-1)(k-1)! + sum_k=2^n (k-1)! = sum_k=2^n (k-1+1)(k-1)! = sum_k=2^n k!
$$
Then (careful with the limits):
$$
sum_k=2^n (k-1)(k-1)! = sum_k=2^n k! - sum_k=2^n (k-1)! = sum_k=2^n k! - sum_k=1^n-1 k! = n! - 1! tag*
$$
because almost all the terms cancel out.
Edit: neater train of thought, but technically the same:
Observe that $(k-1)(k-1)! = k! - (k-1)!$, and then follow with $(*)$.
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Note that $(k-1)(k-1)!$ is very nearly $k(k-1)!$, which is $k!$. We'll use that:
$$
sum_k=2^n (k-1)(k-1)! + sum_k=2^n (k-1)! = sum_k=2^n (k-1+1)(k-1)! = sum_k=2^n k!
$$
Then (careful with the limits):
$$
sum_k=2^n (k-1)(k-1)! = sum_k=2^n k! - sum_k=2^n (k-1)! = sum_k=2^n k! - sum_k=1^n-1 k! = n! - 1! tag*
$$
because almost all the terms cancel out.
Edit: neater train of thought, but technically the same:
Observe that $(k-1)(k-1)! = k! - (k-1)!$, and then follow with $(*)$.
edited Feb 5 at 0:07
answered Feb 4 at 23:55
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Thanks a lot! :)
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– DaniVaja
Feb 5 at 21:02
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Thanks a lot! :)
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– DaniVaja
Feb 5 at 21:02
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Thanks a lot! :)
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– DaniVaja
Feb 5 at 21:02
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Thanks a lot! :)
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Feb 5 at 21:02
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