Macros dv and pdv eat the subsequent parenthesis argument

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The physics package has the macros dv and pdv which are great but I have a small problem with them.



If an argument with parenthesis included right after them they eat the whole argument. If there is a space in between the argument everything works fine but I want to prevent this happening all together. I checked the documentation but couldn't find a solution. So an example would be



documentclassarticle
usepackagephysics

begindocument

[dvxt(y^2-5) qquad dvxt (y^2-5) qquad dvxt ]

enddocument




I want the output of the equation on the left to be the same as the middle one.










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    I cannot recommend using the physics package. See e.g. this post: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/453274

    – Henri Menke
    Jan 19 at 7:23












  • @HenriMenke Thanks for your answer below and recommendation. I didn't know anything about the poor practices that were done in physics package. I'll try to switch over to amsmath as you suggested, especially after seeing your remarks about how ev is defined

    – Calvin Kent
    Jan 19 at 7:38















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The physics package has the macros dv and pdv which are great but I have a small problem with them.



If an argument with parenthesis included right after them they eat the whole argument. If there is a space in between the argument everything works fine but I want to prevent this happening all together. I checked the documentation but couldn't find a solution. So an example would be



documentclassarticle
usepackagephysics

begindocument

[dvxt(y^2-5) qquad dvxt (y^2-5) qquad dvxt ]

enddocument




I want the output of the equation on the left to be the same as the middle one.










share|improve this question



















  • 1





    I cannot recommend using the physics package. See e.g. this post: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/453274

    – Henri Menke
    Jan 19 at 7:23












  • @HenriMenke Thanks for your answer below and recommendation. I didn't know anything about the poor practices that were done in physics package. I'll try to switch over to amsmath as you suggested, especially after seeing your remarks about how ev is defined

    – Calvin Kent
    Jan 19 at 7:38













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The physics package has the macros dv and pdv which are great but I have a small problem with them.



If an argument with parenthesis included right after them they eat the whole argument. If there is a space in between the argument everything works fine but I want to prevent this happening all together. I checked the documentation but couldn't find a solution. So an example would be



documentclassarticle
usepackagephysics

begindocument

[dvxt(y^2-5) qquad dvxt (y^2-5) qquad dvxt ]

enddocument




I want the output of the equation on the left to be the same as the middle one.










share|improve this question
















The physics package has the macros dv and pdv which are great but I have a small problem with them.



If an argument with parenthesis included right after them they eat the whole argument. If there is a space in between the argument everything works fine but I want to prevent this happening all together. I checked the documentation but couldn't find a solution. So an example would be



documentclassarticle
usepackagephysics

begindocument

[dvxt(y^2-5) qquad dvxt (y^2-5) qquad dvxt ]

enddocument




I want the output of the equation on the left to be the same as the middle one.







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  • 1





    I cannot recommend using the physics package. See e.g. this post: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/453274

    – Henri Menke
    Jan 19 at 7:23












  • @HenriMenke Thanks for your answer below and recommendation. I didn't know anything about the poor practices that were done in physics package. I'll try to switch over to amsmath as you suggested, especially after seeing your remarks about how ev is defined

    – Calvin Kent
    Jan 19 at 7:38












  • 1





    I cannot recommend using the physics package. See e.g. this post: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/453274

    – Henri Menke
    Jan 19 at 7:23












  • @HenriMenke Thanks for your answer below and recommendation. I didn't know anything about the poor practices that were done in physics package. I'll try to switch over to amsmath as you suggested, especially after seeing your remarks about how ev is defined

    – Calvin Kent
    Jan 19 at 7:38







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I cannot recommend using the physics package. See e.g. this post: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/453274

– Henri Menke
Jan 19 at 7:23






I cannot recommend using the physics package. See e.g. this post: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/453274

– Henri Menke
Jan 19 at 7:23














@HenriMenke Thanks for your answer below and recommendation. I didn't know anything about the poor practices that were done in physics package. I'll try to switch over to amsmath as you suggested, especially after seeing your remarks about how ev is defined

– Calvin Kent
Jan 19 at 7:38





@HenriMenke Thanks for your answer below and recommendation. I didn't know anything about the poor practices that were done in physics package. I'll try to switch over to amsmath as you suggested, especially after seeing your remarks about how ev is defined

– Calvin Kent
Jan 19 at 7:38










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That's because dv (which is a shorthand for derivative) is defined as



DeclareDocumentCommandderivative s o m g d() 
{ % Total derivative
% s: star for flatfrac flat derivative
% o: optional n for nth derivative
% m: mandatory (x in df/dx)
% g: optional (f in df/dx)
% d: long-form d/dx(...)


Even if the optional g-type argument is given (as in your case) the command will scan further for an optional delimited d-type argument which is delimited by ( and ) (maybe not the best choice in a mathematical context). To circumvent this you have to redefine derivative to always flush #5 if it is present.



documentclassarticle
usepackagephysics

DeclareDocumentCommandderivative s o m g d()
% Total derivative
% s: star for flatfrac flat derivative
% o: optional n for nth derivative
% m: mandatory (x in df/dx)
% g: optional (f in df/dx)
% d: long-form d/dx(...)
IfBooleanTF#1
letfractypeflatfrac
letfractypefrac
IfNoValueTF#4

IfNoValueTF#5
fractypediffd IfNoValueTF#2^#2diffd #3IfNoValueTF#2^#2
fractypediffd IfNoValueTF#2^#2diffd #3IfNoValueTF#2^#2 argopen(#5argclose)

fractypediffd IfNoValueTF#2^#2 #3diffd #4IfNoValueTF#2^#2IfValueT#5(#5)


begindocument

[dvxt(y^2-5) qquad dvxt (y^2-5) qquad dvxt ]

enddocument


enter image description here



At the same time I'd like to note that the physics package does not really help me writing physics formulae and I'm usually much better off typing the stuff by hand using the amsmath macros.






share|improve this answer


















  • 1





    partialderivative and therefore pdv will probably have the same problem.

    – Henri Menke
    Jan 19 at 7:23


















5














The package physics abuses the possibilities afforded by xparse to define commands having very weird syntax.



For instance, if you want to typeset the standard fracdxdt, you have to type



dvxt


If you want instead fracddt(f(t)) you type



dvt(f(t))


which is where the syntax is weird: the variable you differentiate with respect to is no longer the second mandatory argument, but the first and a mandatory argument is missing altogether.



Of course this is achieved by actually making the second braced argument optional, which breaks all standard LaTeX conventions.



It is very counterintuitive having the independent variable first when the “long form” is desired and second for the “short (Leibniz) form”.



How can you do? My best advice is to keep at arm's length from physics. It seems to provide many bells and whistles for typesetting math, but this is at the expense of syntax clarity.



If you are tied to the package, simply add a no-op; a simple one in this context is /:



documentclassarticle
usepackagephysics

begindocument

[
dvxt/(y^2-5) qquad dvxt/ (y^2-5) qquad dvxt
]

enddocument


enter image description here






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    Renewing the commands in this way probably does it:



    documentclassarticle
    usepackagephysics
    renewcommanddv[2]derivative#1#2
    renewcommandpdv[3]partialderivative#1#2#3
    begindocument

    [dvxt(y^2-5) qquad dvxt (y^2-5) qquad dvxt ]

    [pdvxtz(y^2-5) qquad pdvxtz (y^2-5) qquad pdvxtz ]

    enddocument


    like this:



    enter image description here






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      This breaks the starred variants.

      – Henri Menke
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    That's because dv (which is a shorthand for derivative) is defined as



    DeclareDocumentCommandderivative s o m g d() 
    { % Total derivative
    % s: star for flatfrac flat derivative
    % o: optional n for nth derivative
    % m: mandatory (x in df/dx)
    % g: optional (f in df/dx)
    % d: long-form d/dx(...)


    Even if the optional g-type argument is given (as in your case) the command will scan further for an optional delimited d-type argument which is delimited by ( and ) (maybe not the best choice in a mathematical context). To circumvent this you have to redefine derivative to always flush #5 if it is present.



    documentclassarticle
    usepackagephysics

    DeclareDocumentCommandderivative s o m g d()
    % Total derivative
    % s: star for flatfrac flat derivative
    % o: optional n for nth derivative
    % m: mandatory (x in df/dx)
    % g: optional (f in df/dx)
    % d: long-form d/dx(...)
    IfBooleanTF#1
    letfractypeflatfrac
    letfractypefrac
    IfNoValueTF#4

    IfNoValueTF#5
    fractypediffd IfNoValueTF#2^#2diffd #3IfNoValueTF#2^#2
    fractypediffd IfNoValueTF#2^#2diffd #3IfNoValueTF#2^#2 argopen(#5argclose)

    fractypediffd IfNoValueTF#2^#2 #3diffd #4IfNoValueTF#2^#2IfValueT#5(#5)


    begindocument

    [dvxt(y^2-5) qquad dvxt (y^2-5) qquad dvxt ]

    enddocument


    enter image description here



    At the same time I'd like to note that the physics package does not really help me writing physics formulae and I'm usually much better off typing the stuff by hand using the amsmath macros.






    share|improve this answer


















    • 1





      partialderivative and therefore pdv will probably have the same problem.

      – Henri Menke
      Jan 19 at 7:23















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    That's because dv (which is a shorthand for derivative) is defined as



    DeclareDocumentCommandderivative s o m g d() 
    { % Total derivative
    % s: star for flatfrac flat derivative
    % o: optional n for nth derivative
    % m: mandatory (x in df/dx)
    % g: optional (f in df/dx)
    % d: long-form d/dx(...)


    Even if the optional g-type argument is given (as in your case) the command will scan further for an optional delimited d-type argument which is delimited by ( and ) (maybe not the best choice in a mathematical context). To circumvent this you have to redefine derivative to always flush #5 if it is present.



    documentclassarticle
    usepackagephysics

    DeclareDocumentCommandderivative s o m g d()
    % Total derivative
    % s: star for flatfrac flat derivative
    % o: optional n for nth derivative
    % m: mandatory (x in df/dx)
    % g: optional (f in df/dx)
    % d: long-form d/dx(...)
    IfBooleanTF#1
    letfractypeflatfrac
    letfractypefrac
    IfNoValueTF#4

    IfNoValueTF#5
    fractypediffd IfNoValueTF#2^#2diffd #3IfNoValueTF#2^#2
    fractypediffd IfNoValueTF#2^#2diffd #3IfNoValueTF#2^#2 argopen(#5argclose)

    fractypediffd IfNoValueTF#2^#2 #3diffd #4IfNoValueTF#2^#2IfValueT#5(#5)


    begindocument

    [dvxt(y^2-5) qquad dvxt (y^2-5) qquad dvxt ]

    enddocument


    enter image description here



    At the same time I'd like to note that the physics package does not really help me writing physics formulae and I'm usually much better off typing the stuff by hand using the amsmath macros.






    share|improve this answer


















    • 1





      partialderivative and therefore pdv will probably have the same problem.

      – Henri Menke
      Jan 19 at 7:23













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    That's because dv (which is a shorthand for derivative) is defined as



    DeclareDocumentCommandderivative s o m g d() 
    { % Total derivative
    % s: star for flatfrac flat derivative
    % o: optional n for nth derivative
    % m: mandatory (x in df/dx)
    % g: optional (f in df/dx)
    % d: long-form d/dx(...)


    Even if the optional g-type argument is given (as in your case) the command will scan further for an optional delimited d-type argument which is delimited by ( and ) (maybe not the best choice in a mathematical context). To circumvent this you have to redefine derivative to always flush #5 if it is present.



    documentclassarticle
    usepackagephysics

    DeclareDocumentCommandderivative s o m g d()
    % Total derivative
    % s: star for flatfrac flat derivative
    % o: optional n for nth derivative
    % m: mandatory (x in df/dx)
    % g: optional (f in df/dx)
    % d: long-form d/dx(...)
    IfBooleanTF#1
    letfractypeflatfrac
    letfractypefrac
    IfNoValueTF#4

    IfNoValueTF#5
    fractypediffd IfNoValueTF#2^#2diffd #3IfNoValueTF#2^#2
    fractypediffd IfNoValueTF#2^#2diffd #3IfNoValueTF#2^#2 argopen(#5argclose)

    fractypediffd IfNoValueTF#2^#2 #3diffd #4IfNoValueTF#2^#2IfValueT#5(#5)


    begindocument

    [dvxt(y^2-5) qquad dvxt (y^2-5) qquad dvxt ]

    enddocument


    enter image description here



    At the same time I'd like to note that the physics package does not really help me writing physics formulae and I'm usually much better off typing the stuff by hand using the amsmath macros.






    share|improve this answer













    That's because dv (which is a shorthand for derivative) is defined as



    DeclareDocumentCommandderivative s o m g d() 
    { % Total derivative
    % s: star for flatfrac flat derivative
    % o: optional n for nth derivative
    % m: mandatory (x in df/dx)
    % g: optional (f in df/dx)
    % d: long-form d/dx(...)


    Even if the optional g-type argument is given (as in your case) the command will scan further for an optional delimited d-type argument which is delimited by ( and ) (maybe not the best choice in a mathematical context). To circumvent this you have to redefine derivative to always flush #5 if it is present.



    documentclassarticle
    usepackagephysics

    DeclareDocumentCommandderivative s o m g d()
    % Total derivative
    % s: star for flatfrac flat derivative
    % o: optional n for nth derivative
    % m: mandatory (x in df/dx)
    % g: optional (f in df/dx)
    % d: long-form d/dx(...)
    IfBooleanTF#1
    letfractypeflatfrac
    letfractypefrac
    IfNoValueTF#4

    IfNoValueTF#5
    fractypediffd IfNoValueTF#2^#2diffd #3IfNoValueTF#2^#2
    fractypediffd IfNoValueTF#2^#2diffd #3IfNoValueTF#2^#2 argopen(#5argclose)

    fractypediffd IfNoValueTF#2^#2 #3diffd #4IfNoValueTF#2^#2IfValueT#5(#5)


    begindocument

    [dvxt(y^2-5) qquad dvxt (y^2-5) qquad dvxt ]

    enddocument


    enter image description here



    At the same time I'd like to note that the physics package does not really help me writing physics formulae and I'm usually much better off typing the stuff by hand using the amsmath macros.







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      partialderivative and therefore pdv will probably have the same problem.

      – Henri Menke
      Jan 19 at 7:23












    • 1





      partialderivative and therefore pdv will probably have the same problem.

      – Henri Menke
      Jan 19 at 7:23







    1




    1





    partialderivative and therefore pdv will probably have the same problem.

    – Henri Menke
    Jan 19 at 7:23





    partialderivative and therefore pdv will probably have the same problem.

    – Henri Menke
    Jan 19 at 7:23











    5














    The package physics abuses the possibilities afforded by xparse to define commands having very weird syntax.



    For instance, if you want to typeset the standard fracdxdt, you have to type



    dvxt


    If you want instead fracddt(f(t)) you type



    dvt(f(t))


    which is where the syntax is weird: the variable you differentiate with respect to is no longer the second mandatory argument, but the first and a mandatory argument is missing altogether.



    Of course this is achieved by actually making the second braced argument optional, which breaks all standard LaTeX conventions.



    It is very counterintuitive having the independent variable first when the “long form” is desired and second for the “short (Leibniz) form”.



    How can you do? My best advice is to keep at arm's length from physics. It seems to provide many bells and whistles for typesetting math, but this is at the expense of syntax clarity.



    If you are tied to the package, simply add a no-op; a simple one in this context is /:



    documentclassarticle
    usepackagephysics

    begindocument

    [
    dvxt/(y^2-5) qquad dvxt/ (y^2-5) qquad dvxt
    ]

    enddocument


    enter image description here






    share|improve this answer



























      5














      The package physics abuses the possibilities afforded by xparse to define commands having very weird syntax.



      For instance, if you want to typeset the standard fracdxdt, you have to type



      dvxt


      If you want instead fracddt(f(t)) you type



      dvt(f(t))


      which is where the syntax is weird: the variable you differentiate with respect to is no longer the second mandatory argument, but the first and a mandatory argument is missing altogether.



      Of course this is achieved by actually making the second braced argument optional, which breaks all standard LaTeX conventions.



      It is very counterintuitive having the independent variable first when the “long form” is desired and second for the “short (Leibniz) form”.



      How can you do? My best advice is to keep at arm's length from physics. It seems to provide many bells and whistles for typesetting math, but this is at the expense of syntax clarity.



      If you are tied to the package, simply add a no-op; a simple one in this context is /:



      documentclassarticle
      usepackagephysics

      begindocument

      [
      dvxt/(y^2-5) qquad dvxt/ (y^2-5) qquad dvxt
      ]

      enddocument


      enter image description here






      share|improve this answer

























        5












        5








        5







        The package physics abuses the possibilities afforded by xparse to define commands having very weird syntax.



        For instance, if you want to typeset the standard fracdxdt, you have to type



        dvxt


        If you want instead fracddt(f(t)) you type



        dvt(f(t))


        which is where the syntax is weird: the variable you differentiate with respect to is no longer the second mandatory argument, but the first and a mandatory argument is missing altogether.



        Of course this is achieved by actually making the second braced argument optional, which breaks all standard LaTeX conventions.



        It is very counterintuitive having the independent variable first when the “long form” is desired and second for the “short (Leibniz) form”.



        How can you do? My best advice is to keep at arm's length from physics. It seems to provide many bells and whistles for typesetting math, but this is at the expense of syntax clarity.



        If you are tied to the package, simply add a no-op; a simple one in this context is /:



        documentclassarticle
        usepackagephysics

        begindocument

        [
        dvxt/(y^2-5) qquad dvxt/ (y^2-5) qquad dvxt
        ]

        enddocument


        enter image description here






        share|improve this answer













        The package physics abuses the possibilities afforded by xparse to define commands having very weird syntax.



        For instance, if you want to typeset the standard fracdxdt, you have to type



        dvxt


        If you want instead fracddt(f(t)) you type



        dvt(f(t))


        which is where the syntax is weird: the variable you differentiate with respect to is no longer the second mandatory argument, but the first and a mandatory argument is missing altogether.



        Of course this is achieved by actually making the second braced argument optional, which breaks all standard LaTeX conventions.



        It is very counterintuitive having the independent variable first when the “long form” is desired and second for the “short (Leibniz) form”.



        How can you do? My best advice is to keep at arm's length from physics. It seems to provide many bells and whistles for typesetting math, but this is at the expense of syntax clarity.



        If you are tied to the package, simply add a no-op; a simple one in this context is /:



        documentclassarticle
        usepackagephysics

        begindocument

        [
        dvxt/(y^2-5) qquad dvxt/ (y^2-5) qquad dvxt
        ]

        enddocument


        enter image description here







        share|improve this answer












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        answered Jan 19 at 11:18









        egregegreg

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            Renewing the commands in this way probably does it:



            documentclassarticle
            usepackagephysics
            renewcommanddv[2]derivative#1#2
            renewcommandpdv[3]partialderivative#1#2#3
            begindocument

            [dvxt(y^2-5) qquad dvxt (y^2-5) qquad dvxt ]

            [pdvxtz(y^2-5) qquad pdvxtz (y^2-5) qquad pdvxtz ]

            enddocument


            like this:



            enter image description here






            share|improve this answer


















            • 1





              This breaks the starred variants.

              – Henri Menke
              Jan 19 at 7:20















            1














            Renewing the commands in this way probably does it:



            documentclassarticle
            usepackagephysics
            renewcommanddv[2]derivative#1#2
            renewcommandpdv[3]partialderivative#1#2#3
            begindocument

            [dvxt(y^2-5) qquad dvxt (y^2-5) qquad dvxt ]

            [pdvxtz(y^2-5) qquad pdvxtz (y^2-5) qquad pdvxtz ]

            enddocument


            like this:



            enter image description here






            share|improve this answer


















            • 1





              This breaks the starred variants.

              – Henri Menke
              Jan 19 at 7:20













            1












            1








            1







            Renewing the commands in this way probably does it:



            documentclassarticle
            usepackagephysics
            renewcommanddv[2]derivative#1#2
            renewcommandpdv[3]partialderivative#1#2#3
            begindocument

            [dvxt(y^2-5) qquad dvxt (y^2-5) qquad dvxt ]

            [pdvxtz(y^2-5) qquad pdvxtz (y^2-5) qquad pdvxtz ]

            enddocument


            like this:



            enter image description here






            share|improve this answer













            Renewing the commands in this way probably does it:



            documentclassarticle
            usepackagephysics
            renewcommanddv[2]derivative#1#2
            renewcommandpdv[3]partialderivative#1#2#3
            begindocument

            [dvxt(y^2-5) qquad dvxt (y^2-5) qquad dvxt ]

            [pdvxtz(y^2-5) qquad pdvxtz (y^2-5) qquad pdvxtz ]

            enddocument


            like this:



            enter image description here







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