Is the metric completion of a Riemannian manifold always a geodesic space?

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A length space is a metric space $X$, where the distance between two points is the infimum of the lengths of curves joining them. The length of a curve $c: [0,1] rightarrow X$ is the sup of
$$ d(c(0), c(t_1)) + d(c(t_1), d(t_2)) + cdots + d(c(t_N-1), c(1)) $$
over all $0 < t_1 < t_2cdots < t_N-1 < 1$ and $N > 0$.



A geodesic space is a length space, where for each $x,y in X$, there is a curve $c$ connecting $x$ to $y$ whose length is equal to $d(x,y)$.



A Riemannian manifold $M$ and its metric completion $overlineM$ are length spaces. If the Riemannian manifold is complete, then it is a geodesic space.



But is $overlineM$ necessarily a geodesic space? If not, what is a counterexample?



This was motivated by my flawed answer to Minimizing geodesics in incomplete Riemannian manifolds



Also, note that if $overlineM$ is locally compact, then it is a geodesic space by the usual proof. One example of $M$, where $overlineM$ is not locally compact is the universal cover of the punctured flat plane. However, this is still a geodesic space.










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    A length space is a metric space $X$, where the distance between two points is the infimum of the lengths of curves joining them. The length of a curve $c: [0,1] rightarrow X$ is the sup of
    $$ d(c(0), c(t_1)) + d(c(t_1), d(t_2)) + cdots + d(c(t_N-1), c(1)) $$
    over all $0 < t_1 < t_2cdots < t_N-1 < 1$ and $N > 0$.



    A geodesic space is a length space, where for each $x,y in X$, there is a curve $c$ connecting $x$ to $y$ whose length is equal to $d(x,y)$.



    A Riemannian manifold $M$ and its metric completion $overlineM$ are length spaces. If the Riemannian manifold is complete, then it is a geodesic space.



    But is $overlineM$ necessarily a geodesic space? If not, what is a counterexample?



    This was motivated by my flawed answer to Minimizing geodesics in incomplete Riemannian manifolds



    Also, note that if $overlineM$ is locally compact, then it is a geodesic space by the usual proof. One example of $M$, where $overlineM$ is not locally compact is the universal cover of the punctured flat plane. However, this is still a geodesic space.










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      A length space is a metric space $X$, where the distance between two points is the infimum of the lengths of curves joining them. The length of a curve $c: [0,1] rightarrow X$ is the sup of
      $$ d(c(0), c(t_1)) + d(c(t_1), d(t_2)) + cdots + d(c(t_N-1), c(1)) $$
      over all $0 < t_1 < t_2cdots < t_N-1 < 1$ and $N > 0$.



      A geodesic space is a length space, where for each $x,y in X$, there is a curve $c$ connecting $x$ to $y$ whose length is equal to $d(x,y)$.



      A Riemannian manifold $M$ and its metric completion $overlineM$ are length spaces. If the Riemannian manifold is complete, then it is a geodesic space.



      But is $overlineM$ necessarily a geodesic space? If not, what is a counterexample?



      This was motivated by my flawed answer to Minimizing geodesics in incomplete Riemannian manifolds



      Also, note that if $overlineM$ is locally compact, then it is a geodesic space by the usual proof. One example of $M$, where $overlineM$ is not locally compact is the universal cover of the punctured flat plane. However, this is still a geodesic space.










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      A length space is a metric space $X$, where the distance between two points is the infimum of the lengths of curves joining them. The length of a curve $c: [0,1] rightarrow X$ is the sup of
      $$ d(c(0), c(t_1)) + d(c(t_1), d(t_2)) + cdots + d(c(t_N-1), c(1)) $$
      over all $0 < t_1 < t_2cdots < t_N-1 < 1$ and $N > 0$.



      A geodesic space is a length space, where for each $x,y in X$, there is a curve $c$ connecting $x$ to $y$ whose length is equal to $d(x,y)$.



      A Riemannian manifold $M$ and its metric completion $overlineM$ are length spaces. If the Riemannian manifold is complete, then it is a geodesic space.



      But is $overlineM$ necessarily a geodesic space? If not, what is a counterexample?



      This was motivated by my flawed answer to Minimizing geodesics in incomplete Riemannian manifolds



      Also, note that if $overlineM$ is locally compact, then it is a geodesic space by the usual proof. One example of $M$, where $overlineM$ is not locally compact is the universal cover of the punctured flat plane. However, this is still a geodesic space.







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          I have been thinking about this since Deane and I discussed it this morning, and I came up with the following idea. Let $Sigma:=1,tfrac12,tfrac13,ldotscup -1,-tfrac12,-tfrac13,ldots$. The set $Sigmacup 0$ is closed in $mathbbR$.



          Let $(M,g)$ be the complement of $[0,1]times (Sigmacup0)$ in the Euclidean plane. Offhand, it seems to me that the metric completion $overlineM$ of $(M,g)$ contains the following "extra points":



          • $0,1times (Sigmacup0)$


          • for each $(t,s)in(0,1)timesSigma$, two points $(t,s)_pm$, coming from the (two different) directional limits $lim_yto s^pm(t,y)$.


          Importantly, as far as I can tell, there is nothing in $overlineM$ corresponding to the points in the segment $(0,1)times0$.



          If that's so, then the distance between the points $(0,0)$ and $(1,0)$ is 1, but there is no curve of distance 1 in $overlineM$ connecting them.






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            Yes, this does work. It is similar to Ballmann's example mentioned in Benoit's answer here: mathoverflow.net/questions/15592/…
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            – Misha
            Jan 18 at 21:48






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            Oh, that's interesting. Yes, this seems to be a "fattening" of the Ballman example which makes it a Riemannian manifold.
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            – macbeth
            Jan 18 at 21:53






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            Right, topologically speaking, you are taking a neighborhood of Ballmann's example as embedded in $R^2$.
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            – Misha
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            @macbeth, thanks!
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            – Deane Yang
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          I have been thinking about this since Deane and I discussed it this morning, and I came up with the following idea. Let $Sigma:=1,tfrac12,tfrac13,ldotscup -1,-tfrac12,-tfrac13,ldots$. The set $Sigmacup 0$ is closed in $mathbbR$.



          Let $(M,g)$ be the complement of $[0,1]times (Sigmacup0)$ in the Euclidean plane. Offhand, it seems to me that the metric completion $overlineM$ of $(M,g)$ contains the following "extra points":



          • $0,1times (Sigmacup0)$


          • for each $(t,s)in(0,1)timesSigma$, two points $(t,s)_pm$, coming from the (two different) directional limits $lim_yto s^pm(t,y)$.


          Importantly, as far as I can tell, there is nothing in $overlineM$ corresponding to the points in the segment $(0,1)times0$.



          If that's so, then the distance between the points $(0,0)$ and $(1,0)$ is 1, but there is no curve of distance 1 in $overlineM$ connecting them.






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            Yes, this does work. It is similar to Ballmann's example mentioned in Benoit's answer here: mathoverflow.net/questions/15592/…
            $endgroup$
            – Misha
            Jan 18 at 21:48






          • 1




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            Oh, that's interesting. Yes, this seems to be a "fattening" of the Ballman example which makes it a Riemannian manifold.
            $endgroup$
            – macbeth
            Jan 18 at 21:53






          • 1




            $begingroup$
            Right, topologically speaking, you are taking a neighborhood of Ballmann's example as embedded in $R^2$.
            $endgroup$
            – Misha
            Jan 18 at 21:55










          • $begingroup$
            @macbeth, thanks!
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            – Deane Yang
            Jan 18 at 23:36















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          $begingroup$

          I have been thinking about this since Deane and I discussed it this morning, and I came up with the following idea. Let $Sigma:=1,tfrac12,tfrac13,ldotscup -1,-tfrac12,-tfrac13,ldots$. The set $Sigmacup 0$ is closed in $mathbbR$.



          Let $(M,g)$ be the complement of $[0,1]times (Sigmacup0)$ in the Euclidean plane. Offhand, it seems to me that the metric completion $overlineM$ of $(M,g)$ contains the following "extra points":



          • $0,1times (Sigmacup0)$


          • for each $(t,s)in(0,1)timesSigma$, two points $(t,s)_pm$, coming from the (two different) directional limits $lim_yto s^pm(t,y)$.


          Importantly, as far as I can tell, there is nothing in $overlineM$ corresponding to the points in the segment $(0,1)times0$.



          If that's so, then the distance between the points $(0,0)$ and $(1,0)$ is 1, but there is no curve of distance 1 in $overlineM$ connecting them.






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            $begingroup$
            Yes, this does work. It is similar to Ballmann's example mentioned in Benoit's answer here: mathoverflow.net/questions/15592/…
            $endgroup$
            – Misha
            Jan 18 at 21:48






          • 1




            $begingroup$
            Oh, that's interesting. Yes, this seems to be a "fattening" of the Ballman example which makes it a Riemannian manifold.
            $endgroup$
            – macbeth
            Jan 18 at 21:53






          • 1




            $begingroup$
            Right, topologically speaking, you are taking a neighborhood of Ballmann's example as embedded in $R^2$.
            $endgroup$
            – Misha
            Jan 18 at 21:55










          • $begingroup$
            @macbeth, thanks!
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            – Deane Yang
            Jan 18 at 23:36













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          $begingroup$

          I have been thinking about this since Deane and I discussed it this morning, and I came up with the following idea. Let $Sigma:=1,tfrac12,tfrac13,ldotscup -1,-tfrac12,-tfrac13,ldots$. The set $Sigmacup 0$ is closed in $mathbbR$.



          Let $(M,g)$ be the complement of $[0,1]times (Sigmacup0)$ in the Euclidean plane. Offhand, it seems to me that the metric completion $overlineM$ of $(M,g)$ contains the following "extra points":



          • $0,1times (Sigmacup0)$


          • for each $(t,s)in(0,1)timesSigma$, two points $(t,s)_pm$, coming from the (two different) directional limits $lim_yto s^pm(t,y)$.


          Importantly, as far as I can tell, there is nothing in $overlineM$ corresponding to the points in the segment $(0,1)times0$.



          If that's so, then the distance between the points $(0,0)$ and $(1,0)$ is 1, but there is no curve of distance 1 in $overlineM$ connecting them.






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          I have been thinking about this since Deane and I discussed it this morning, and I came up with the following idea. Let $Sigma:=1,tfrac12,tfrac13,ldotscup -1,-tfrac12,-tfrac13,ldots$. The set $Sigmacup 0$ is closed in $mathbbR$.



          Let $(M,g)$ be the complement of $[0,1]times (Sigmacup0)$ in the Euclidean plane. Offhand, it seems to me that the metric completion $overlineM$ of $(M,g)$ contains the following "extra points":



          • $0,1times (Sigmacup0)$


          • for each $(t,s)in(0,1)timesSigma$, two points $(t,s)_pm$, coming from the (two different) directional limits $lim_yto s^pm(t,y)$.


          Importantly, as far as I can tell, there is nothing in $overlineM$ corresponding to the points in the segment $(0,1)times0$.



          If that's so, then the distance between the points $(0,0)$ and $(1,0)$ is 1, but there is no curve of distance 1 in $overlineM$ connecting them.







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            $begingroup$
            Yes, this does work. It is similar to Ballmann's example mentioned in Benoit's answer here: mathoverflow.net/questions/15592/…
            $endgroup$
            – Misha
            Jan 18 at 21:48






          • 1




            $begingroup$
            Oh, that's interesting. Yes, this seems to be a "fattening" of the Ballman example which makes it a Riemannian manifold.
            $endgroup$
            – macbeth
            Jan 18 at 21:53






          • 1




            $begingroup$
            Right, topologically speaking, you are taking a neighborhood of Ballmann's example as embedded in $R^2$.
            $endgroup$
            – Misha
            Jan 18 at 21:55










          • $begingroup$
            @macbeth, thanks!
            $endgroup$
            – Deane Yang
            Jan 18 at 23:36












          • 1




            $begingroup$
            Yes, this does work. It is similar to Ballmann's example mentioned in Benoit's answer here: mathoverflow.net/questions/15592/…
            $endgroup$
            – Misha
            Jan 18 at 21:48






          • 1




            $begingroup$
            Oh, that's interesting. Yes, this seems to be a "fattening" of the Ballman example which makes it a Riemannian manifold.
            $endgroup$
            – macbeth
            Jan 18 at 21:53






          • 1




            $begingroup$
            Right, topologically speaking, you are taking a neighborhood of Ballmann's example as embedded in $R^2$.
            $endgroup$
            – Misha
            Jan 18 at 21:55










          • $begingroup$
            @macbeth, thanks!
            $endgroup$
            – Deane Yang
            Jan 18 at 23:36







          1




          1




          $begingroup$
          Yes, this does work. It is similar to Ballmann's example mentioned in Benoit's answer here: mathoverflow.net/questions/15592/…
          $endgroup$
          – Misha
          Jan 18 at 21:48




          $begingroup$
          Yes, this does work. It is similar to Ballmann's example mentioned in Benoit's answer here: mathoverflow.net/questions/15592/…
          $endgroup$
          – Misha
          Jan 18 at 21:48




          1




          1




          $begingroup$
          Oh, that's interesting. Yes, this seems to be a "fattening" of the Ballman example which makes it a Riemannian manifold.
          $endgroup$
          – macbeth
          Jan 18 at 21:53




          $begingroup$
          Oh, that's interesting. Yes, this seems to be a "fattening" of the Ballman example which makes it a Riemannian manifold.
          $endgroup$
          – macbeth
          Jan 18 at 21:53




          1




          1




          $begingroup$
          Right, topologically speaking, you are taking a neighborhood of Ballmann's example as embedded in $R^2$.
          $endgroup$
          – Misha
          Jan 18 at 21:55




          $begingroup$
          Right, topologically speaking, you are taking a neighborhood of Ballmann's example as embedded in $R^2$.
          $endgroup$
          – Misha
          Jan 18 at 21:55












          $begingroup$
          @macbeth, thanks!
          $endgroup$
          – Deane Yang
          Jan 18 at 23:36




          $begingroup$
          @macbeth, thanks!
          $endgroup$
          – Deane Yang
          Jan 18 at 23:36

















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