Is the metric completion of a Riemannian manifold always a geodesic space?
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A length space is a metric space $X$, where the distance between two points is the infimum of the lengths of curves joining them. The length of a curve $c: [0,1] rightarrow X$ is the sup of
$$ d(c(0), c(t_1)) + d(c(t_1), d(t_2)) + cdots + d(c(t_N-1), c(1)) $$
over all $0 < t_1 < t_2cdots < t_N-1 < 1$ and $N > 0$.
A geodesic space is a length space, where for each $x,y in X$, there is a curve $c$ connecting $x$ to $y$ whose length is equal to $d(x,y)$.
A Riemannian manifold $M$ and its metric completion $overlineM$ are length spaces. If the Riemannian manifold is complete, then it is a geodesic space.
But is $overlineM$ necessarily a geodesic space? If not, what is a counterexample?
This was motivated by my flawed answer to Minimizing geodesics in incomplete Riemannian manifolds
Also, note that if $overlineM$ is locally compact, then it is a geodesic space by the usual proof. One example of $M$, where $overlineM$ is not locally compact is the universal cover of the punctured flat plane. However, this is still a geodesic space.
dg.differential-geometry mg.metric-geometry riemannian-geometry
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A length space is a metric space $X$, where the distance between two points is the infimum of the lengths of curves joining them. The length of a curve $c: [0,1] rightarrow X$ is the sup of
$$ d(c(0), c(t_1)) + d(c(t_1), d(t_2)) + cdots + d(c(t_N-1), c(1)) $$
over all $0 < t_1 < t_2cdots < t_N-1 < 1$ and $N > 0$.
A geodesic space is a length space, where for each $x,y in X$, there is a curve $c$ connecting $x$ to $y$ whose length is equal to $d(x,y)$.
A Riemannian manifold $M$ and its metric completion $overlineM$ are length spaces. If the Riemannian manifold is complete, then it is a geodesic space.
But is $overlineM$ necessarily a geodesic space? If not, what is a counterexample?
This was motivated by my flawed answer to Minimizing geodesics in incomplete Riemannian manifolds
Also, note that if $overlineM$ is locally compact, then it is a geodesic space by the usual proof. One example of $M$, where $overlineM$ is not locally compact is the universal cover of the punctured flat plane. However, this is still a geodesic space.
dg.differential-geometry mg.metric-geometry riemannian-geometry
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A length space is a metric space $X$, where the distance between two points is the infimum of the lengths of curves joining them. The length of a curve $c: [0,1] rightarrow X$ is the sup of
$$ d(c(0), c(t_1)) + d(c(t_1), d(t_2)) + cdots + d(c(t_N-1), c(1)) $$
over all $0 < t_1 < t_2cdots < t_N-1 < 1$ and $N > 0$.
A geodesic space is a length space, where for each $x,y in X$, there is a curve $c$ connecting $x$ to $y$ whose length is equal to $d(x,y)$.
A Riemannian manifold $M$ and its metric completion $overlineM$ are length spaces. If the Riemannian manifold is complete, then it is a geodesic space.
But is $overlineM$ necessarily a geodesic space? If not, what is a counterexample?
This was motivated by my flawed answer to Minimizing geodesics in incomplete Riemannian manifolds
Also, note that if $overlineM$ is locally compact, then it is a geodesic space by the usual proof. One example of $M$, where $overlineM$ is not locally compact is the universal cover of the punctured flat plane. However, this is still a geodesic space.
dg.differential-geometry mg.metric-geometry riemannian-geometry
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A length space is a metric space $X$, where the distance between two points is the infimum of the lengths of curves joining them. The length of a curve $c: [0,1] rightarrow X$ is the sup of
$$ d(c(0), c(t_1)) + d(c(t_1), d(t_2)) + cdots + d(c(t_N-1), c(1)) $$
over all $0 < t_1 < t_2cdots < t_N-1 < 1$ and $N > 0$.
A geodesic space is a length space, where for each $x,y in X$, there is a curve $c$ connecting $x$ to $y$ whose length is equal to $d(x,y)$.
A Riemannian manifold $M$ and its metric completion $overlineM$ are length spaces. If the Riemannian manifold is complete, then it is a geodesic space.
But is $overlineM$ necessarily a geodesic space? If not, what is a counterexample?
This was motivated by my flawed answer to Minimizing geodesics in incomplete Riemannian manifolds
Also, note that if $overlineM$ is locally compact, then it is a geodesic space by the usual proof. One example of $M$, where $overlineM$ is not locally compact is the universal cover of the punctured flat plane. However, this is still a geodesic space.
dg.differential-geometry mg.metric-geometry riemannian-geometry
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I have been thinking about this since Deane and I discussed it this morning, and I came up with the following idea. Let $Sigma:=1,tfrac12,tfrac13,ldotscup -1,-tfrac12,-tfrac13,ldots$. The set $Sigmacup 0$ is closed in $mathbbR$.
Let $(M,g)$ be the complement of $[0,1]times (Sigmacup0)$ in the Euclidean plane. Offhand, it seems to me that the metric completion $overlineM$ of $(M,g)$ contains the following "extra points":
$0,1times (Sigmacup0)$
for each $(t,s)in(0,1)timesSigma$, two points $(t,s)_pm$, coming from the (two different) directional limits $lim_yto s^pm(t,y)$.
Importantly, as far as I can tell, there is nothing in $overlineM$ corresponding to the points in the segment $(0,1)times0$.
If that's so, then the distance between the points $(0,0)$ and $(1,0)$ is 1, but there is no curve of distance 1 in $overlineM$ connecting them.
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Yes, this does work. It is similar to Ballmann's example mentioned in Benoit's answer here: mathoverflow.net/questions/15592/…
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– Misha
Jan 18 at 21:48
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Oh, that's interesting. Yes, this seems to be a "fattening" of the Ballman example which makes it a Riemannian manifold.
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– macbeth
Jan 18 at 21:53
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Right, topologically speaking, you are taking a neighborhood of Ballmann's example as embedded in $R^2$.
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– Misha
Jan 18 at 21:55
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@macbeth, thanks!
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– Deane Yang
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I have been thinking about this since Deane and I discussed it this morning, and I came up with the following idea. Let $Sigma:=1,tfrac12,tfrac13,ldotscup -1,-tfrac12,-tfrac13,ldots$. The set $Sigmacup 0$ is closed in $mathbbR$.
Let $(M,g)$ be the complement of $[0,1]times (Sigmacup0)$ in the Euclidean plane. Offhand, it seems to me that the metric completion $overlineM$ of $(M,g)$ contains the following "extra points":
$0,1times (Sigmacup0)$
for each $(t,s)in(0,1)timesSigma$, two points $(t,s)_pm$, coming from the (two different) directional limits $lim_yto s^pm(t,y)$.
Importantly, as far as I can tell, there is nothing in $overlineM$ corresponding to the points in the segment $(0,1)times0$.
If that's so, then the distance between the points $(0,0)$ and $(1,0)$ is 1, but there is no curve of distance 1 in $overlineM$ connecting them.
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Yes, this does work. It is similar to Ballmann's example mentioned in Benoit's answer here: mathoverflow.net/questions/15592/…
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– Misha
Jan 18 at 21:48
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Oh, that's interesting. Yes, this seems to be a "fattening" of the Ballman example which makes it a Riemannian manifold.
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– macbeth
Jan 18 at 21:53
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Right, topologically speaking, you are taking a neighborhood of Ballmann's example as embedded in $R^2$.
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– Misha
Jan 18 at 21:55
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@macbeth, thanks!
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– Deane Yang
Jan 18 at 23:36
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I have been thinking about this since Deane and I discussed it this morning, and I came up with the following idea. Let $Sigma:=1,tfrac12,tfrac13,ldotscup -1,-tfrac12,-tfrac13,ldots$. The set $Sigmacup 0$ is closed in $mathbbR$.
Let $(M,g)$ be the complement of $[0,1]times (Sigmacup0)$ in the Euclidean plane. Offhand, it seems to me that the metric completion $overlineM$ of $(M,g)$ contains the following "extra points":
$0,1times (Sigmacup0)$
for each $(t,s)in(0,1)timesSigma$, two points $(t,s)_pm$, coming from the (two different) directional limits $lim_yto s^pm(t,y)$.
Importantly, as far as I can tell, there is nothing in $overlineM$ corresponding to the points in the segment $(0,1)times0$.
If that's so, then the distance between the points $(0,0)$ and $(1,0)$ is 1, but there is no curve of distance 1 in $overlineM$ connecting them.
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Yes, this does work. It is similar to Ballmann's example mentioned in Benoit's answer here: mathoverflow.net/questions/15592/…
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– Misha
Jan 18 at 21:48
1
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Oh, that's interesting. Yes, this seems to be a "fattening" of the Ballman example which makes it a Riemannian manifold.
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– macbeth
Jan 18 at 21:53
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Right, topologically speaking, you are taking a neighborhood of Ballmann's example as embedded in $R^2$.
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– Misha
Jan 18 at 21:55
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@macbeth, thanks!
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– Deane Yang
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I have been thinking about this since Deane and I discussed it this morning, and I came up with the following idea. Let $Sigma:=1,tfrac12,tfrac13,ldotscup -1,-tfrac12,-tfrac13,ldots$. The set $Sigmacup 0$ is closed in $mathbbR$.
Let $(M,g)$ be the complement of $[0,1]times (Sigmacup0)$ in the Euclidean plane. Offhand, it seems to me that the metric completion $overlineM$ of $(M,g)$ contains the following "extra points":
$0,1times (Sigmacup0)$
for each $(t,s)in(0,1)timesSigma$, two points $(t,s)_pm$, coming from the (two different) directional limits $lim_yto s^pm(t,y)$.
Importantly, as far as I can tell, there is nothing in $overlineM$ corresponding to the points in the segment $(0,1)times0$.
If that's so, then the distance between the points $(0,0)$ and $(1,0)$ is 1, but there is no curve of distance 1 in $overlineM$ connecting them.
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I have been thinking about this since Deane and I discussed it this morning, and I came up with the following idea. Let $Sigma:=1,tfrac12,tfrac13,ldotscup -1,-tfrac12,-tfrac13,ldots$. The set $Sigmacup 0$ is closed in $mathbbR$.
Let $(M,g)$ be the complement of $[0,1]times (Sigmacup0)$ in the Euclidean plane. Offhand, it seems to me that the metric completion $overlineM$ of $(M,g)$ contains the following "extra points":
$0,1times (Sigmacup0)$
for each $(t,s)in(0,1)timesSigma$, two points $(t,s)_pm$, coming from the (two different) directional limits $lim_yto s^pm(t,y)$.
Importantly, as far as I can tell, there is nothing in $overlineM$ corresponding to the points in the segment $(0,1)times0$.
If that's so, then the distance between the points $(0,0)$ and $(1,0)$ is 1, but there is no curve of distance 1 in $overlineM$ connecting them.
answered Jan 18 at 21:04
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Yes, this does work. It is similar to Ballmann's example mentioned in Benoit's answer here: mathoverflow.net/questions/15592/…
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– Misha
Jan 18 at 21:48
1
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Oh, that's interesting. Yes, this seems to be a "fattening" of the Ballman example which makes it a Riemannian manifold.
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– macbeth
Jan 18 at 21:53
1
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Right, topologically speaking, you are taking a neighborhood of Ballmann's example as embedded in $R^2$.
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– Misha
Jan 18 at 21:55
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@macbeth, thanks!
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– Deane Yang
Jan 18 at 23:36
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Yes, this does work. It is similar to Ballmann's example mentioned in Benoit's answer here: mathoverflow.net/questions/15592/…
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– Misha
Jan 18 at 21:48
1
$begingroup$
Oh, that's interesting. Yes, this seems to be a "fattening" of the Ballman example which makes it a Riemannian manifold.
$endgroup$
– macbeth
Jan 18 at 21:53
1
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Right, topologically speaking, you are taking a neighborhood of Ballmann's example as embedded in $R^2$.
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– Misha
Jan 18 at 21:55
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@macbeth, thanks!
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– Deane Yang
Jan 18 at 23:36
1
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Yes, this does work. It is similar to Ballmann's example mentioned in Benoit's answer here: mathoverflow.net/questions/15592/…
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– Misha
Jan 18 at 21:48
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Yes, this does work. It is similar to Ballmann's example mentioned in Benoit's answer here: mathoverflow.net/questions/15592/…
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– Misha
Jan 18 at 21:48
1
1
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Oh, that's interesting. Yes, this seems to be a "fattening" of the Ballman example which makes it a Riemannian manifold.
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– macbeth
Jan 18 at 21:53
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Oh, that's interesting. Yes, this seems to be a "fattening" of the Ballman example which makes it a Riemannian manifold.
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– macbeth
Jan 18 at 21:53
1
1
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Right, topologically speaking, you are taking a neighborhood of Ballmann's example as embedded in $R^2$.
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– Misha
Jan 18 at 21:55
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Right, topologically speaking, you are taking a neighborhood of Ballmann's example as embedded in $R^2$.
$endgroup$
– Misha
Jan 18 at 21:55
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@macbeth, thanks!
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– Deane Yang
Jan 18 at 23:36
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@macbeth, thanks!
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– Deane Yang
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