How did Dr. Yueh know Jessica and Paul would be sent to the desert?
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Lady Jessica was supposed to be "given" to Piter de Vries once she was captured. It is only once she is in front of the Baron and Piter that the latter renounces to have her and instead chooses to reign over Arrakis. It is then that it is decided that Jessica and Paul would be sent into the desert.
So how could Dr. Yueh know in advance of this, since he left a package and a note in the ornithopter beforehand, and told the Duke he would save them? Also, a deaf guard is used because of the Voice, so how could he possibly know they would survive?
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Lady Jessica was supposed to be "given" to Piter de Vries once she was captured. It is only once she is in front of the Baron and Piter that the latter renounces to have her and instead chooses to reign over Arrakis. It is then that it is decided that Jessica and Paul would be sent into the desert.
So how could Dr. Yueh know in advance of this, since he left a package and a note in the ornithopter beforehand, and told the Duke he would save them? Also, a deaf guard is used because of the Voice, so how could he possibly know they would survive?
dune
asked Jan 28 at 12:44
piwipiwi
28519
Is it not reasonable to assume that the Baron told him the full plan? He was, after all, in cahoots with Yueh.
– Valorum
Jan 28 at 13:39
2
@Valorum I thought about it too, but I have a hard time believing it. Given how the Baron treats him, do you believe he would confide in this with him? Also, it does not seem that the Baron treated with him directly, moreover since using Yueh is Piter's plan. Piter is so taken aback by the Baron's offer, I don't think many people were in the knowledge regarding this.
– piwi
Jan 28 at 13:49
1
They're on a desert planet. That's gotta skew the odds.
– Roger Lipscombe
Jan 29 at 12:14
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Lady Jessica was supposed to be "given" to Piter de Vries once she was captured. It is only once she is in front of the Baron and Piter that the latter renounces to have her and instead chooses to reign over Arrakis. It is then that it is decided that Jessica and Paul would be sent into the desert.
So how could Dr. Yueh know in advance of this, since he left a package and a note in the ornithopter beforehand, and told the Duke he would save them? Also, a deaf guard is used because of the Voice, so how could he possibly know they would survive?
dune
asked Jan 28 at 12:44
piwipiwi
28519
Lady Jessica was supposed to be "given" to Piter de Vries once she was captured. It is only once she is in front of the Baron and Piter that the latter renounces to have her and instead chooses to reign over Arrakis. It is then that it is decided that Jessica and Paul would be sent into the desert.
So how could Dr. Yueh know in advance of this, since he left a package and a note in the ornithopter beforehand, and told the Duke he would save them? Also, a deaf guard is used because of the Voice, so how could he possibly know they would survive?
dune
dune
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piwipiwi
28519
asked Jan 28 at 12:44
piwipiwi
28519
asked Jan 28 at 12:44
piwipiwi
28519
asked Jan 28 at 12:44
piwipiwi
28519
asked Jan 28 at 12:44
piwipiwi
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Is it not reasonable to assume that the Baron told him the full plan? He was, after all, in cahoots with Yueh.
– Valorum
Jan 28 at 13:39
2
@Valorum I thought about it too, but I have a hard time believing it. Given how the Baron treats him, do you believe he would confide in this with him? Also, it does not seem that the Baron treated with him directly, moreover since using Yueh is Piter's plan. Piter is so taken aback by the Baron's offer, I don't think many people were in the knowledge regarding this.
– piwi
Jan 28 at 13:49
1
They're on a desert planet. That's gotta skew the odds.
– Roger Lipscombe
Jan 29 at 12:14
add a comment |
Is it not reasonable to assume that the Baron told him the full plan? He was, after all, in cahoots with Yueh.
– Valorum
Jan 28 at 13:39
2
@Valorum I thought about it too, but I have a hard time believing it. Given how the Baron treats him, do you believe he would confide in this with him? Also, it does not seem that the Baron treated with him directly, moreover since using Yueh is Piter's plan. Piter is so taken aback by the Baron's offer, I don't think many people were in the knowledge regarding this.
– piwi
Jan 28 at 13:49
1
They're on a desert planet. That's gotta skew the odds.
– Roger Lipscombe
Jan 29 at 12:14
Is it not reasonable to assume that the Baron told him the full plan? He was, after all, in cahoots with Yueh.
– Valorum
Jan 28 at 13:39
Is it not reasonable to assume that the Baron told him the full plan? He was, after all, in cahoots with Yueh.
– Valorum
Jan 28 at 13:39
2
2
@Valorum I thought about it too, but I have a hard time believing it. Given how the Baron treats him, do you believe he would confide in this with him? Also, it does not seem that the Baron treated with him directly, moreover since using Yueh is Piter's plan. Piter is so taken aback by the Baron's offer, I don't think many people were in the knowledge regarding this.
– piwi
Jan 28 at 13:49
@Valorum I thought about it too, but I have a hard time believing it. Given how the Baron treats him, do you believe he would confide in this with him? Also, it does not seem that the Baron treated with him directly, moreover since using Yueh is Piter's plan. Piter is so taken aback by the Baron's offer, I don't think many people were in the knowledge regarding this.
– piwi
Jan 28 at 13:49
1
1
They're on a desert planet. That's gotta skew the odds.
– Roger Lipscombe
Jan 29 at 12:14
They're on a desert planet. That's gotta skew the odds.
– Roger Lipscombe
Jan 29 at 12:14
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It’s not that he somehow knew what their plans were, it's that he actually suggested taking that approach and helped to implement it.
Here’s the exchange between Piter and the two soldiers that ultimately carry them to the desert.
He looked at the first pair of troopers, turning so the deaf one could
read his lips: ”Take them into the desert as the traitor suggested for
the boy. His plan is a good one. The worms will destroy all evidence.
Their bodies must never be found.“
And later on:
“This the ‘thopter we’re supposed to use?” he asked, and turned to watch his companion’s lips.
“It’s the one the traitor said was fixed for desert work,” the other said.
So Yueh planted the instructions and suggestions beforehand, both for taking them to the desert and about what means to use for the task. He could not have any certainties but after all, his whole plan was hanging a very thin thread anyway.
edited Jan 28 at 17:57
Valorum
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answered Jan 28 at 17:42
Jorge CórdobaJorge Córdoba
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I've taken the liberty of adding in the quotes from the English ebook version.
– Valorum
Jan 28 at 17:58
This is evidence that he expected Paul to be taken to the ornithopter; do you remember if he also expected his mother to survive, or not?
– Matthieu M.
Jan 28 at 21:12
2
Yes, he promises Leto to save both Paul and Jessica. However I think the “promise” itself must be seen as the effort of a man to ease his mind against a despicable treason. He is promising more as an act of redemption, promising is more reassuring himself rather than a real certainty on the outcome.
– Jorge Córdoba
Jan 28 at 22:38
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Yueh's knowledge was limited and not always accurate (he believed that Leto would kill the Baron as he died). But he made contingencies and his escape plan for Paul and Jessica may have been such a contingency.
He knew these things:
- The Baron could not afford to keep Jessica alive and able to testify
before a truthsayer. - On Arrakis, death by desert would be an easy form of execution and would satisfy the Baron's sense of cruelty (let the planet they have taken from me be their killer).
- To get them into the desert, an ornithopter would be used.
- Paul and Jessica were both highly trained and likely to be under-estimated by the Baron's men.
With those things in mind, he gave them tools that they could use if they applied all their skills, mental and physical, to their escape. Essentially, he gambled on Paul and Jessica.
answered Jan 28 at 17:06
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It’s not that he somehow knew what their plans were, it's that he actually suggested taking that approach and helped to implement it.
Here’s the exchange between Piter and the two soldiers that ultimately carry them to the desert.
He looked at the first pair of troopers, turning so the deaf one could
read his lips: ”Take them into the desert as the traitor suggested for
the boy. His plan is a good one. The worms will destroy all evidence.
Their bodies must never be found.“
And later on:
“This the ‘thopter we’re supposed to use?” he asked, and turned to watch his companion’s lips.
“It’s the one the traitor said was fixed for desert work,” the other said.
So Yueh planted the instructions and suggestions beforehand, both for taking them to the desert and about what means to use for the task. He could not have any certainties but after all, his whole plan was hanging a very thin thread anyway.
edited Jan 28 at 17:57
Valorum
404k10629393165
answered Jan 28 at 17:42
Jorge CórdobaJorge Córdoba
5,88272957
I've taken the liberty of adding in the quotes from the English ebook version.
– Valorum
Jan 28 at 17:58
This is evidence that he expected Paul to be taken to the ornithopter; do you remember if he also expected his mother to survive, or not?
– Matthieu M.
Jan 28 at 21:12
2
Yes, he promises Leto to save both Paul and Jessica. However I think the “promise” itself must be seen as the effort of a man to ease his mind against a despicable treason. He is promising more as an act of redemption, promising is more reassuring himself rather than a real certainty on the outcome.
– Jorge Córdoba
Jan 28 at 22:38
add a comment |
It’s not that he somehow knew what their plans were, it's that he actually suggested taking that approach and helped to implement it.
Here’s the exchange between Piter and the two soldiers that ultimately carry them to the desert.
He looked at the first pair of troopers, turning so the deaf one could
read his lips: ”Take them into the desert as the traitor suggested for
the boy. His plan is a good one. The worms will destroy all evidence.
Their bodies must never be found.“
And later on:
“This the ‘thopter we’re supposed to use?” he asked, and turned to watch his companion’s lips.
“It’s the one the traitor said was fixed for desert work,” the other said.
So Yueh planted the instructions and suggestions beforehand, both for taking them to the desert and about what means to use for the task. He could not have any certainties but after all, his whole plan was hanging a very thin thread anyway.
edited Jan 28 at 17:57
Valorum
404k10629393165
answered Jan 28 at 17:42
Jorge CórdobaJorge Córdoba
5,88272957
I've taken the liberty of adding in the quotes from the English ebook version.
– Valorum
Jan 28 at 17:58
This is evidence that he expected Paul to be taken to the ornithopter; do you remember if he also expected his mother to survive, or not?
– Matthieu M.
Jan 28 at 21:12
2
Yes, he promises Leto to save both Paul and Jessica. However I think the “promise” itself must be seen as the effort of a man to ease his mind against a despicable treason. He is promising more as an act of redemption, promising is more reassuring himself rather than a real certainty on the outcome.
– Jorge Córdoba
Jan 28 at 22:38
add a comment |
It’s not that he somehow knew what their plans were, it's that he actually suggested taking that approach and helped to implement it.
Here’s the exchange between Piter and the two soldiers that ultimately carry them to the desert.
He looked at the first pair of troopers, turning so the deaf one could
read his lips: ”Take them into the desert as the traitor suggested for
the boy. His plan is a good one. The worms will destroy all evidence.
Their bodies must never be found.“
And later on:
“This the ‘thopter we’re supposed to use?” he asked, and turned to watch his companion’s lips.
“It’s the one the traitor said was fixed for desert work,” the other said.
So Yueh planted the instructions and suggestions beforehand, both for taking them to the desert and about what means to use for the task. He could not have any certainties but after all, his whole plan was hanging a very thin thread anyway.
edited Jan 28 at 17:57
Valorum
404k10629393165
answered Jan 28 at 17:42
Jorge CórdobaJorge Córdoba
5,88272957
It’s not that he somehow knew what their plans were, it's that he actually suggested taking that approach and helped to implement it.
Here’s the exchange between Piter and the two soldiers that ultimately carry them to the desert.
He looked at the first pair of troopers, turning so the deaf one could
read his lips: ”Take them into the desert as the traitor suggested for
the boy. His plan is a good one. The worms will destroy all evidence.
Their bodies must never be found.“
And later on:
“This the ‘thopter we’re supposed to use?” he asked, and turned to watch his companion’s lips.
“It’s the one the traitor said was fixed for desert work,” the other said.
So Yueh planted the instructions and suggestions beforehand, both for taking them to the desert and about what means to use for the task. He could not have any certainties but after all, his whole plan was hanging a very thin thread anyway.
edited Jan 28 at 17:57
Valorum
404k10629393165
answered Jan 28 at 17:42
Jorge CórdobaJorge Córdoba
5,88272957
edited Jan 28 at 17:57
Valorum
404k10629393165
edited Jan 28 at 17:57
Valorum
404k10629393165
edited Jan 28 at 17:57
Valorum
404k10629393165
404k10629393165
answered Jan 28 at 17:42
Jorge CórdobaJorge Córdoba
5,88272957
answered Jan 28 at 17:42
Jorge CórdobaJorge Córdoba
5,88272957
answered Jan 28 at 17:42
Jorge CórdobaJorge Córdoba
5,88272957
5,88272957
I've taken the liberty of adding in the quotes from the English ebook version.
– Valorum
Jan 28 at 17:58
This is evidence that he expected Paul to be taken to the ornithopter; do you remember if he also expected his mother to survive, or not?
– Matthieu M.
Jan 28 at 21:12
2
Yes, he promises Leto to save both Paul and Jessica. However I think the “promise” itself must be seen as the effort of a man to ease his mind against a despicable treason. He is promising more as an act of redemption, promising is more reassuring himself rather than a real certainty on the outcome.
– Jorge Córdoba
Jan 28 at 22:38
add a comment |
I've taken the liberty of adding in the quotes from the English ebook version.
– Valorum
Jan 28 at 17:58
This is evidence that he expected Paul to be taken to the ornithopter; do you remember if he also expected his mother to survive, or not?
– Matthieu M.
Jan 28 at 21:12
2
Yes, he promises Leto to save both Paul and Jessica. However I think the “promise” itself must be seen as the effort of a man to ease his mind against a despicable treason. He is promising more as an act of redemption, promising is more reassuring himself rather than a real certainty on the outcome.
– Jorge Córdoba
Jan 28 at 22:38
I've taken the liberty of adding in the quotes from the English ebook version.
– Valorum
Jan 28 at 17:58
I've taken the liberty of adding in the quotes from the English ebook version.
– Valorum
Jan 28 at 17:58
This is evidence that he expected Paul to be taken to the ornithopter; do you remember if he also expected his mother to survive, or not?
– Matthieu M.
Jan 28 at 21:12
This is evidence that he expected Paul to be taken to the ornithopter; do you remember if he also expected his mother to survive, or not?
– Matthieu M.
Jan 28 at 21:12
2
2
Yes, he promises Leto to save both Paul and Jessica. However I think the “promise” itself must be seen as the effort of a man to ease his mind against a despicable treason. He is promising more as an act of redemption, promising is more reassuring himself rather than a real certainty on the outcome.
– Jorge Córdoba
Jan 28 at 22:38
Yes, he promises Leto to save both Paul and Jessica. However I think the “promise” itself must be seen as the effort of a man to ease his mind against a despicable treason. He is promising more as an act of redemption, promising is more reassuring himself rather than a real certainty on the outcome.
– Jorge Córdoba
Jan 28 at 22:38
add a comment |
Yueh's knowledge was limited and not always accurate (he believed that Leto would kill the Baron as he died). But he made contingencies and his escape plan for Paul and Jessica may have been such a contingency.
He knew these things:
- The Baron could not afford to keep Jessica alive and able to testify
before a truthsayer. - On Arrakis, death by desert would be an easy form of execution and would satisfy the Baron's sense of cruelty (let the planet they have taken from me be their killer).
- To get them into the desert, an ornithopter would be used.
- Paul and Jessica were both highly trained and likely to be under-estimated by the Baron's men.
With those things in mind, he gave them tools that they could use if they applied all their skills, mental and physical, to their escape. Essentially, he gambled on Paul and Jessica.
answered Jan 28 at 17:06
LeatherwingLeatherwing
1,247717
add a comment |
Yueh's knowledge was limited and not always accurate (he believed that Leto would kill the Baron as he died). But he made contingencies and his escape plan for Paul and Jessica may have been such a contingency.
He knew these things:
- The Baron could not afford to keep Jessica alive and able to testify
before a truthsayer. - On Arrakis, death by desert would be an easy form of execution and would satisfy the Baron's sense of cruelty (let the planet they have taken from me be their killer).
- To get them into the desert, an ornithopter would be used.
- Paul and Jessica were both highly trained and likely to be under-estimated by the Baron's men.
With those things in mind, he gave them tools that they could use if they applied all their skills, mental and physical, to their escape. Essentially, he gambled on Paul and Jessica.
answered Jan 28 at 17:06
LeatherwingLeatherwing
1,247717
add a comment |
Yueh's knowledge was limited and not always accurate (he believed that Leto would kill the Baron as he died). But he made contingencies and his escape plan for Paul and Jessica may have been such a contingency.
He knew these things:
- The Baron could not afford to keep Jessica alive and able to testify
before a truthsayer. - On Arrakis, death by desert would be an easy form of execution and would satisfy the Baron's sense of cruelty (let the planet they have taken from me be their killer).
- To get them into the desert, an ornithopter would be used.
- Paul and Jessica were both highly trained and likely to be under-estimated by the Baron's men.
With those things in mind, he gave them tools that they could use if they applied all their skills, mental and physical, to their escape. Essentially, he gambled on Paul and Jessica.
answered Jan 28 at 17:06
LeatherwingLeatherwing
1,247717
Yueh's knowledge was limited and not always accurate (he believed that Leto would kill the Baron as he died). But he made contingencies and his escape plan for Paul and Jessica may have been such a contingency.
He knew these things:
- The Baron could not afford to keep Jessica alive and able to testify
before a truthsayer. - On Arrakis, death by desert would be an easy form of execution and would satisfy the Baron's sense of cruelty (let the planet they have taken from me be their killer).
- To get them into the desert, an ornithopter would be used.
- Paul and Jessica were both highly trained and likely to be under-estimated by the Baron's men.
With those things in mind, he gave them tools that they could use if they applied all their skills, mental and physical, to their escape. Essentially, he gambled on Paul and Jessica.
answered Jan 28 at 17:06
LeatherwingLeatherwing
1,247717
answered Jan 28 at 17:06
LeatherwingLeatherwing
1,247717
answered Jan 28 at 17:06
LeatherwingLeatherwing
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answered Jan 28 at 17:06
LeatherwingLeatherwing
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Is it not reasonable to assume that the Baron told him the full plan? He was, after all, in cahoots with Yueh.
– Valorum
Jan 28 at 13:39
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@Valorum I thought about it too, but I have a hard time believing it. Given how the Baron treats him, do you believe he would confide in this with him? Also, it does not seem that the Baron treated with him directly, moreover since using Yueh is Piter's plan. Piter is so taken aback by the Baron's offer, I don't think many people were in the knowledge regarding this.
– piwi
Jan 28 at 13:49
1
They're on a desert planet. That's gotta skew the odds.
– Roger Lipscombe
Jan 29 at 12:14