Why does the support must be closed?

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Apparently it is important that the support is defined as the closure of $f neq 0$. Because of that condition globalization is allowed as the exercise below indicates. However, I have no idea why it is so important that the support is defined as the closure of $f neq 0$?



The exercise:



Let (X, $mathcalT$) be a topological space, U $subset$ X open and $eta$ $in$ C(X)
, (C(X) is the space of continuous functions on X) supported in U. Then, for any continuous map $g:U rightarrow mathbbR $,



$(eta cdot g): X rightarrow mathbbR$,



$(eta cdot g)(x) = eta (x)g(x)$ if $x in U$ and



$(eta cdot g)(x) = 0$ if $x notin U$



is continous. Show that this statement fails if we only assume that $f neq 0 subset U$.



I have been able to show that the map $g : U rightarrow mathbbR $ is continuous. However, I still don't understand the importance of the closure and why the map otherwise isn't continuous.



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    You were given that $g$ was continuous as a hypothesis. Did you mean that you proved that $eta cdot g$ is continuous?
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    I meant that $(eta cdot g)$ is continuous yes!
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Apparently it is important that the support is defined as the closure of $f neq 0$. Because of that condition globalization is allowed as the exercise below indicates. However, I have no idea why it is so important that the support is defined as the closure of $f neq 0$?



The exercise:



Let (X, $mathcalT$) be a topological space, U $subset$ X open and $eta$ $in$ C(X)
, (C(X) is the space of continuous functions on X) supported in U. Then, for any continuous map $g:U rightarrow mathbbR $,



$(eta cdot g): X rightarrow mathbbR$,



$(eta cdot g)(x) = eta (x)g(x)$ if $x in U$ and



$(eta cdot g)(x) = 0$ if $x notin U$



is continous. Show that this statement fails if we only assume that $f neq 0 subset U$.



I have been able to show that the map $g : U rightarrow mathbbR $ is continuous. However, I still don't understand the importance of the closure and why the map otherwise isn't continuous.



Can anyone help me?










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    $begingroup$
    You were given that $g$ was continuous as a hypothesis. Did you mean that you proved that $eta cdot g$ is continuous?
    $endgroup$
    – Chessanator
    Jan 12 at 18:43











  • $begingroup$
    I meant that $(eta cdot g)$ is continuous yes!
    $endgroup$
    – HK4
    Jan 12 at 19:46













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Apparently it is important that the support is defined as the closure of $f neq 0$. Because of that condition globalization is allowed as the exercise below indicates. However, I have no idea why it is so important that the support is defined as the closure of $f neq 0$?



The exercise:



Let (X, $mathcalT$) be a topological space, U $subset$ X open and $eta$ $in$ C(X)
, (C(X) is the space of continuous functions on X) supported in U. Then, for any continuous map $g:U rightarrow mathbbR $,



$(eta cdot g): X rightarrow mathbbR$,



$(eta cdot g)(x) = eta (x)g(x)$ if $x in U$ and



$(eta cdot g)(x) = 0$ if $x notin U$



is continous. Show that this statement fails if we only assume that $f neq 0 subset U$.



I have been able to show that the map $g : U rightarrow mathbbR $ is continuous. However, I still don't understand the importance of the closure and why the map otherwise isn't continuous.



Can anyone help me?










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Apparently it is important that the support is defined as the closure of $f neq 0$. Because of that condition globalization is allowed as the exercise below indicates. However, I have no idea why it is so important that the support is defined as the closure of $f neq 0$?



The exercise:



Let (X, $mathcalT$) be a topological space, U $subset$ X open and $eta$ $in$ C(X)
, (C(X) is the space of continuous functions on X) supported in U. Then, for any continuous map $g:U rightarrow mathbbR $,



$(eta cdot g): X rightarrow mathbbR$,



$(eta cdot g)(x) = eta (x)g(x)$ if $x in U$ and



$(eta cdot g)(x) = 0$ if $x notin U$



is continous. Show that this statement fails if we only assume that $f neq 0 subset U$.



I have been able to show that the map $g : U rightarrow mathbbR $ is continuous. However, I still don't understand the importance of the closure and why the map otherwise isn't continuous.



Can anyone help me?







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    $begingroup$
    You were given that $g$ was continuous as a hypothesis. Did you mean that you proved that $eta cdot g$ is continuous?
    $endgroup$
    – Chessanator
    Jan 12 at 18:43











  • $begingroup$
    I meant that $(eta cdot g)$ is continuous yes!
    $endgroup$
    – HK4
    Jan 12 at 19:46












  • 1




    $begingroup$
    You were given that $g$ was continuous as a hypothesis. Did you mean that you proved that $eta cdot g$ is continuous?
    $endgroup$
    – Chessanator
    Jan 12 at 18:43











  • $begingroup$
    I meant that $(eta cdot g)$ is continuous yes!
    $endgroup$
    – HK4
    Jan 12 at 19:46







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$begingroup$
You were given that $g$ was continuous as a hypothesis. Did you mean that you proved that $eta cdot g$ is continuous?
$endgroup$
– Chessanator
Jan 12 at 18:43





$begingroup$
You were given that $g$ was continuous as a hypothesis. Did you mean that you proved that $eta cdot g$ is continuous?
$endgroup$
– Chessanator
Jan 12 at 18:43













$begingroup$
I meant that $(eta cdot g)$ is continuous yes!
$endgroup$
– HK4
Jan 12 at 19:46




$begingroup$
I meant that $(eta cdot g)$ is continuous yes!
$endgroup$
– HK4
Jan 12 at 19:46










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Imagine that you have a function $eta$ which satisfies $eta(x) neq 0$ for all $x in U$ while $eta(x) = 0$ for all $x in X setminus U$. If $X$ is connected and $U neq emptyset, X$ then such a function will satisfy $ , eta(x) neq 0 = U subseteq U$ but it won't satisfy
$$ overline , eta(x) neq 0 = overlineU subseteq U. $$



Take $g colon U rightarrow mathbbR$ to be the function $g(x) = frac1eta(x)$. Then $g$ is continuous on $U$ because $eta$ doesn't vanish on $U$ but "$eta cdot g$" is the characteristic function of $U$ so it's not continuous.



To see a concrete example, take $X = mathbbR, U = (-1,1)$ and
$$ eta(x) = begincases 1 - |x| & |x| < 1,\
0 & |x| geq 1. endcases$$

Then $eta cdot g$ is the characteristic function of $(-1, 1)$ which is discontinuous at $x = pm 1$.






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    Imagine that you have a function $eta$ which satisfies $eta(x) neq 0$ for all $x in U$ while $eta(x) = 0$ for all $x in X setminus U$. If $X$ is connected and $U neq emptyset, X$ then such a function will satisfy $ , eta(x) neq 0 = U subseteq U$ but it won't satisfy
    $$ overline , eta(x) neq 0 = overlineU subseteq U. $$



    Take $g colon U rightarrow mathbbR$ to be the function $g(x) = frac1eta(x)$. Then $g$ is continuous on $U$ because $eta$ doesn't vanish on $U$ but "$eta cdot g$" is the characteristic function of $U$ so it's not continuous.



    To see a concrete example, take $X = mathbbR, U = (-1,1)$ and
    $$ eta(x) = begincases 1 - |x| & |x| < 1,\
    0 & |x| geq 1. endcases$$

    Then $eta cdot g$ is the characteristic function of $(-1, 1)$ which is discontinuous at $x = pm 1$.






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      $begingroup$

      Imagine that you have a function $eta$ which satisfies $eta(x) neq 0$ for all $x in U$ while $eta(x) = 0$ for all $x in X setminus U$. If $X$ is connected and $U neq emptyset, X$ then such a function will satisfy $ , eta(x) neq 0 = U subseteq U$ but it won't satisfy
      $$ overline , eta(x) neq 0 = overlineU subseteq U. $$



      Take $g colon U rightarrow mathbbR$ to be the function $g(x) = frac1eta(x)$. Then $g$ is continuous on $U$ because $eta$ doesn't vanish on $U$ but "$eta cdot g$" is the characteristic function of $U$ so it's not continuous.



      To see a concrete example, take $X = mathbbR, U = (-1,1)$ and
      $$ eta(x) = begincases 1 - |x| & |x| < 1,\
      0 & |x| geq 1. endcases$$

      Then $eta cdot g$ is the characteristic function of $(-1, 1)$ which is discontinuous at $x = pm 1$.






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        Imagine that you have a function $eta$ which satisfies $eta(x) neq 0$ for all $x in U$ while $eta(x) = 0$ for all $x in X setminus U$. If $X$ is connected and $U neq emptyset, X$ then such a function will satisfy $ , eta(x) neq 0 = U subseteq U$ but it won't satisfy
        $$ overline , eta(x) neq 0 = overlineU subseteq U. $$



        Take $g colon U rightarrow mathbbR$ to be the function $g(x) = frac1eta(x)$. Then $g$ is continuous on $U$ because $eta$ doesn't vanish on $U$ but "$eta cdot g$" is the characteristic function of $U$ so it's not continuous.



        To see a concrete example, take $X = mathbbR, U = (-1,1)$ and
        $$ eta(x) = begincases 1 - |x| & |x| < 1,\
        0 & |x| geq 1. endcases$$

        Then $eta cdot g$ is the characteristic function of $(-1, 1)$ which is discontinuous at $x = pm 1$.






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        Imagine that you have a function $eta$ which satisfies $eta(x) neq 0$ for all $x in U$ while $eta(x) = 0$ for all $x in X setminus U$. If $X$ is connected and $U neq emptyset, X$ then such a function will satisfy $ , eta(x) neq 0 = U subseteq U$ but it won't satisfy
        $$ overline , eta(x) neq 0 = overlineU subseteq U. $$



        Take $g colon U rightarrow mathbbR$ to be the function $g(x) = frac1eta(x)$. Then $g$ is continuous on $U$ because $eta$ doesn't vanish on $U$ but "$eta cdot g$" is the characteristic function of $U$ so it's not continuous.



        To see a concrete example, take $X = mathbbR, U = (-1,1)$ and
        $$ eta(x) = begincases 1 - |x| & |x| < 1,\
        0 & |x| geq 1. endcases$$

        Then $eta cdot g$ is the characteristic function of $(-1, 1)$ which is discontinuous at $x = pm 1$.







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