How to find the length of one of the sides of a triangle given the area
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The triangles are drawn to scale. The first triangle has side lengths of 17, 17, 16 while the second triangle has side lengths of 17,17,$k$. The triangles have the same area.
Find the value of $k$ algebraically.
So for the first triangle, I know that the height of the triangle splits the base into two parts of 8 each. sO then using pythagorean theorem, I get the height to be 15 and then the area is $frac12 16 *15 = 120$
For the second triangle, I'm not sure what to do and I don't know what solving for $k$ algebraically means.
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The triangles are drawn to scale. The first triangle has side lengths of 17, 17, 16 while the second triangle has side lengths of 17,17,$k$. The triangles have the same area.
Find the value of $k$ algebraically.
So for the first triangle, I know that the height of the triangle splits the base into two parts of 8 each. sO then using pythagorean theorem, I get the height to be 15 and then the area is $frac12 16 *15 = 120$
For the second triangle, I'm not sure what to do and I don't know what solving for $k$ algebraically means.
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The triangles are drawn to scale. The first triangle has side lengths of 17, 17, 16 while the second triangle has side lengths of 17,17,$k$. The triangles have the same area.
Find the value of $k$ algebraically.
So for the first triangle, I know that the height of the triangle splits the base into two parts of 8 each. sO then using pythagorean theorem, I get the height to be 15 and then the area is $frac12 16 *15 = 120$
For the second triangle, I'm not sure what to do and I don't know what solving for $k$ algebraically means.
triangle area
The triangles are drawn to scale. The first triangle has side lengths of 17, 17, 16 while the second triangle has side lengths of 17,17,$k$. The triangles have the same area.
Find the value of $k$ algebraically.
So for the first triangle, I know that the height of the triangle splits the base into two parts of 8 each. sO then using pythagorean theorem, I get the height to be 15 and then the area is $frac12 16 *15 = 120$
For the second triangle, I'm not sure what to do and I don't know what solving for $k$ algebraically means.
triangle area
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Exactly the same idea. Split in two parts using the height, and in the half-triangle you have the hypotenuse of $17$ and one of the legs is $k/2$.
- By the Pythagorean theorem, height $h$ satisfies $h^2 + (k/2)^2 = 17^2$, can you find $h(k)$?
- Now the area of the big triangle is $k cdot h(k) /2$, but you already know this is $120$, can you solve for $k$?
Remark It's obvious one of the answers will be $k=16$ because then the triangles are identical. Are there other values?
Update
You have $$k = sqrt4left(17^2 - h^2right) = 2sqrt17^2 - h^2,$$ hence the final equation is
$$
120 = k(h) cdot h /2
= frach2 cdot 2sqrt17^2 - h^2
= h sqrt17^2 - h^2
$$
To solve this, square both sides to get
$$
120^2 = h^2 left(17^2 - h^2right)
$$
and let $z = h^2$ to get a quadratic in $z$.
well I have that $frack^2h2 = 120$ so $k^2h = 240$ but now I don't know what to do
â user8290579
3 hours ago
I know that $k^2 = frac240h$ and plugged that into the first equation but that doesn't help at all
â user8290579
3 hours ago
i don't know how to find h*k
â user8290579
3 hours ago
@user8290579 see update
â gt6989b
3 hours ago
I'm sorry maybe I'm just not understanding but with your update I get that $k^2 = 1156-4h^2$ I can't take the square root of both sides and get a simple answer because square root doesn't distribute over addition or subtraction right?
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My first inclination would be to use Heron's formula for the area of $Delta ABC = (ABC)$ whose side lengths $a$, $b$, and $c$ opposite angles $A$, $B$, and $C$ are $a=k$, $b=17$, and $c=17$ and whose semiperimeter $s$ therefore is $s = frac34+k2$.
That is, $$(ABC) = s(s-a)(s-b)(s-c) = 120$$ by Heron's formula, using the values given above for the parameters, and the area calculated using the other triangle.
This is an expression in $k$ which is cubic, but it will have at most 1 real solution (that is 0 real solutions and 3 imaginary, or 1 real and 2 imaginary). Solve it!
I got $k^2 (17k+578) = 960$ How do I solve from here?
â user130306
3 hours ago
Any cubic with integer coefficients has either 3 imaginary roots, or 1 real root and 2 imaginary roots. You can solve it by hand using Cardano's method, or you can plug it into your favorite root solver?
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2 Answers
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HINT
Exactly the same idea. Split in two parts using the height, and in the half-triangle you have the hypotenuse of $17$ and one of the legs is $k/2$.
- By the Pythagorean theorem, height $h$ satisfies $h^2 + (k/2)^2 = 17^2$, can you find $h(k)$?
- Now the area of the big triangle is $k cdot h(k) /2$, but you already know this is $120$, can you solve for $k$?
Remark It's obvious one of the answers will be $k=16$ because then the triangles are identical. Are there other values?
Update
You have $$k = sqrt4left(17^2 - h^2right) = 2sqrt17^2 - h^2,$$ hence the final equation is
$$
120 = k(h) cdot h /2
= frach2 cdot 2sqrt17^2 - h^2
= h sqrt17^2 - h^2
$$
To solve this, square both sides to get
$$
120^2 = h^2 left(17^2 - h^2right)
$$
and let $z = h^2$ to get a quadratic in $z$.
well I have that $frack^2h2 = 120$ so $k^2h = 240$ but now I don't know what to do
â user8290579
3 hours ago
I know that $k^2 = frac240h$ and plugged that into the first equation but that doesn't help at all
â user8290579
3 hours ago
i don't know how to find h*k
â user8290579
3 hours ago
@user8290579 see update
â gt6989b
3 hours ago
I'm sorry maybe I'm just not understanding but with your update I get that $k^2 = 1156-4h^2$ I can't take the square root of both sides and get a simple answer because square root doesn't distribute over addition or subtraction right?
â user130306
3 hours ago
 |Â
show 11 more comments
up vote
4
down vote
accepted
HINT
Exactly the same idea. Split in two parts using the height, and in the half-triangle you have the hypotenuse of $17$ and one of the legs is $k/2$.
- By the Pythagorean theorem, height $h$ satisfies $h^2 + (k/2)^2 = 17^2$, can you find $h(k)$?
- Now the area of the big triangle is $k cdot h(k) /2$, but you already know this is $120$, can you solve for $k$?
Remark It's obvious one of the answers will be $k=16$ because then the triangles are identical. Are there other values?
Update
You have $$k = sqrt4left(17^2 - h^2right) = 2sqrt17^2 - h^2,$$ hence the final equation is
$$
120 = k(h) cdot h /2
= frach2 cdot 2sqrt17^2 - h^2
= h sqrt17^2 - h^2
$$
To solve this, square both sides to get
$$
120^2 = h^2 left(17^2 - h^2right)
$$
and let $z = h^2$ to get a quadratic in $z$.
well I have that $frack^2h2 = 120$ so $k^2h = 240$ but now I don't know what to do
â user8290579
3 hours ago
I know that $k^2 = frac240h$ and plugged that into the first equation but that doesn't help at all
â user8290579
3 hours ago
i don't know how to find h*k
â user8290579
3 hours ago
@user8290579 see update
â gt6989b
3 hours ago
I'm sorry maybe I'm just not understanding but with your update I get that $k^2 = 1156-4h^2$ I can't take the square root of both sides and get a simple answer because square root doesn't distribute over addition or subtraction right?
â user130306
3 hours ago
 |Â
show 11 more comments
up vote
4
down vote
accepted
up vote
4
down vote
accepted
HINT
Exactly the same idea. Split in two parts using the height, and in the half-triangle you have the hypotenuse of $17$ and one of the legs is $k/2$.
- By the Pythagorean theorem, height $h$ satisfies $h^2 + (k/2)^2 = 17^2$, can you find $h(k)$?
- Now the area of the big triangle is $k cdot h(k) /2$, but you already know this is $120$, can you solve for $k$?
Remark It's obvious one of the answers will be $k=16$ because then the triangles are identical. Are there other values?
Update
You have $$k = sqrt4left(17^2 - h^2right) = 2sqrt17^2 - h^2,$$ hence the final equation is
$$
120 = k(h) cdot h /2
= frach2 cdot 2sqrt17^2 - h^2
= h sqrt17^2 - h^2
$$
To solve this, square both sides to get
$$
120^2 = h^2 left(17^2 - h^2right)
$$
and let $z = h^2$ to get a quadratic in $z$.
HINT
Exactly the same idea. Split in two parts using the height, and in the half-triangle you have the hypotenuse of $17$ and one of the legs is $k/2$.
- By the Pythagorean theorem, height $h$ satisfies $h^2 + (k/2)^2 = 17^2$, can you find $h(k)$?
- Now the area of the big triangle is $k cdot h(k) /2$, but you already know this is $120$, can you solve for $k$?
Remark It's obvious one of the answers will be $k=16$ because then the triangles are identical. Are there other values?
Update
You have $$k = sqrt4left(17^2 - h^2right) = 2sqrt17^2 - h^2,$$ hence the final equation is
$$
120 = k(h) cdot h /2
= frach2 cdot 2sqrt17^2 - h^2
= h sqrt17^2 - h^2
$$
To solve this, square both sides to get
$$
120^2 = h^2 left(17^2 - h^2right)
$$
and let $z = h^2$ to get a quadratic in $z$.
edited 2 hours ago
answered 4 hours ago
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well I have that $frack^2h2 = 120$ so $k^2h = 240$ but now I don't know what to do
â user8290579
3 hours ago
I know that $k^2 = frac240h$ and plugged that into the first equation but that doesn't help at all
â user8290579
3 hours ago
i don't know how to find h*k
â user8290579
3 hours ago
@user8290579 see update
â gt6989b
3 hours ago
I'm sorry maybe I'm just not understanding but with your update I get that $k^2 = 1156-4h^2$ I can't take the square root of both sides and get a simple answer because square root doesn't distribute over addition or subtraction right?
â user130306
3 hours ago
 |Â
show 11 more comments
well I have that $frack^2h2 = 120$ so $k^2h = 240$ but now I don't know what to do
â user8290579
3 hours ago
I know that $k^2 = frac240h$ and plugged that into the first equation but that doesn't help at all
â user8290579
3 hours ago
i don't know how to find h*k
â user8290579
3 hours ago
@user8290579 see update
â gt6989b
3 hours ago
I'm sorry maybe I'm just not understanding but with your update I get that $k^2 = 1156-4h^2$ I can't take the square root of both sides and get a simple answer because square root doesn't distribute over addition or subtraction right?
â user130306
3 hours ago
well I have that $frack^2h2 = 120$ so $k^2h = 240$ but now I don't know what to do
â user8290579
3 hours ago
well I have that $frack^2h2 = 120$ so $k^2h = 240$ but now I don't know what to do
â user8290579
3 hours ago
I know that $k^2 = frac240h$ and plugged that into the first equation but that doesn't help at all
â user8290579
3 hours ago
I know that $k^2 = frac240h$ and plugged that into the first equation but that doesn't help at all
â user8290579
3 hours ago
i don't know how to find h*k
â user8290579
3 hours ago
i don't know how to find h*k
â user8290579
3 hours ago
@user8290579 see update
â gt6989b
3 hours ago
@user8290579 see update
â gt6989b
3 hours ago
I'm sorry maybe I'm just not understanding but with your update I get that $k^2 = 1156-4h^2$ I can't take the square root of both sides and get a simple answer because square root doesn't distribute over addition or subtraction right?
â user130306
3 hours ago
I'm sorry maybe I'm just not understanding but with your update I get that $k^2 = 1156-4h^2$ I can't take the square root of both sides and get a simple answer because square root doesn't distribute over addition or subtraction right?
â user130306
3 hours ago
 |Â
show 11 more comments
up vote
0
down vote
My first inclination would be to use Heron's formula for the area of $Delta ABC = (ABC)$ whose side lengths $a$, $b$, and $c$ opposite angles $A$, $B$, and $C$ are $a=k$, $b=17$, and $c=17$ and whose semiperimeter $s$ therefore is $s = frac34+k2$.
That is, $$(ABC) = s(s-a)(s-b)(s-c) = 120$$ by Heron's formula, using the values given above for the parameters, and the area calculated using the other triangle.
This is an expression in $k$ which is cubic, but it will have at most 1 real solution (that is 0 real solutions and 3 imaginary, or 1 real and 2 imaginary). Solve it!
I got $k^2 (17k+578) = 960$ How do I solve from here?
â user130306
3 hours ago
Any cubic with integer coefficients has either 3 imaginary roots, or 1 real root and 2 imaginary roots. You can solve it by hand using Cardano's method, or you can plug it into your favorite root solver?
â Circulwyrd
8 mins ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
0
down vote
My first inclination would be to use Heron's formula for the area of $Delta ABC = (ABC)$ whose side lengths $a$, $b$, and $c$ opposite angles $A$, $B$, and $C$ are $a=k$, $b=17$, and $c=17$ and whose semiperimeter $s$ therefore is $s = frac34+k2$.
That is, $$(ABC) = s(s-a)(s-b)(s-c) = 120$$ by Heron's formula, using the values given above for the parameters, and the area calculated using the other triangle.
This is an expression in $k$ which is cubic, but it will have at most 1 real solution (that is 0 real solutions and 3 imaginary, or 1 real and 2 imaginary). Solve it!
I got $k^2 (17k+578) = 960$ How do I solve from here?
â user130306
3 hours ago
Any cubic with integer coefficients has either 3 imaginary roots, or 1 real root and 2 imaginary roots. You can solve it by hand using Cardano's method, or you can plug it into your favorite root solver?
â Circulwyrd
8 mins ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
0
down vote
up vote
0
down vote
My first inclination would be to use Heron's formula for the area of $Delta ABC = (ABC)$ whose side lengths $a$, $b$, and $c$ opposite angles $A$, $B$, and $C$ are $a=k$, $b=17$, and $c=17$ and whose semiperimeter $s$ therefore is $s = frac34+k2$.
That is, $$(ABC) = s(s-a)(s-b)(s-c) = 120$$ by Heron's formula, using the values given above for the parameters, and the area calculated using the other triangle.
This is an expression in $k$ which is cubic, but it will have at most 1 real solution (that is 0 real solutions and 3 imaginary, or 1 real and 2 imaginary). Solve it!
My first inclination would be to use Heron's formula for the area of $Delta ABC = (ABC)$ whose side lengths $a$, $b$, and $c$ opposite angles $A$, $B$, and $C$ are $a=k$, $b=17$, and $c=17$ and whose semiperimeter $s$ therefore is $s = frac34+k2$.
That is, $$(ABC) = s(s-a)(s-b)(s-c) = 120$$ by Heron's formula, using the values given above for the parameters, and the area calculated using the other triangle.
This is an expression in $k$ which is cubic, but it will have at most 1 real solution (that is 0 real solutions and 3 imaginary, or 1 real and 2 imaginary). Solve it!
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answered 3 hours ago
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I got $k^2 (17k+578) = 960$ How do I solve from here?
â user130306
3 hours ago
Any cubic with integer coefficients has either 3 imaginary roots, or 1 real root and 2 imaginary roots. You can solve it by hand using Cardano's method, or you can plug it into your favorite root solver?
â Circulwyrd
8 mins ago
add a comment |Â
I got $k^2 (17k+578) = 960$ How do I solve from here?
â user130306
3 hours ago
Any cubic with integer coefficients has either 3 imaginary roots, or 1 real root and 2 imaginary roots. You can solve it by hand using Cardano's method, or you can plug it into your favorite root solver?
â Circulwyrd
8 mins ago
I got $k^2 (17k+578) = 960$ How do I solve from here?
â user130306
3 hours ago
I got $k^2 (17k+578) = 960$ How do I solve from here?
â user130306
3 hours ago
Any cubic with integer coefficients has either 3 imaginary roots, or 1 real root and 2 imaginary roots. You can solve it by hand using Cardano's method, or you can plug it into your favorite root solver?
â Circulwyrd
8 mins ago
Any cubic with integer coefficients has either 3 imaginary roots, or 1 real root and 2 imaginary roots. You can solve it by hand using Cardano's method, or you can plug it into your favorite root solver?
â Circulwyrd
8 mins ago
add a comment |Â
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