Is the torus with one hole homeomorphic to the torus with two holes?

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I would like to understand why the torus with one hole is not homeomorphic to the torus with two holes.



I have a very basic understanding of the concepts (I know what an homeomorphism is but not much more).



My idea is that a torus with one hole can be disconnected by two loops, whereas the torus with two holes may not be disconnected by two loops.



Is this argument correct? Can it me formalized (even the part on connectedness).



Or maybe there is better argument










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  • Your idea is ok. Formally you should convince yourself that these objects have different homeomorphic invariants. For example you could consider the fundamental group. It is generated by two cycles for the torus with one hole and by more than two for the torus with two holes. Start by drawing a picture!
    – James
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  • Your idea is perfect, though it needs some refinement. The torus with two holes can actually be disconnected by a single curve (can you find it?). You want to consider what are called non-separating curves — curves that don’t immediately cut the surface into separate pieces.
    – Santana Afton
    3 hours ago











  • @James I don't know what the fundamental group is, and I think it is outside the scope of the class I follow.
    – tiintin
    3 hours ago















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I would like to understand why the torus with one hole is not homeomorphic to the torus with two holes.



I have a very basic understanding of the concepts (I know what an homeomorphism is but not much more).



My idea is that a torus with one hole can be disconnected by two loops, whereas the torus with two holes may not be disconnected by two loops.



Is this argument correct? Can it me formalized (even the part on connectedness).



Or maybe there is better argument










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  • Your idea is ok. Formally you should convince yourself that these objects have different homeomorphic invariants. For example you could consider the fundamental group. It is generated by two cycles for the torus with one hole and by more than two for the torus with two holes. Start by drawing a picture!
    – James
    3 hours ago










  • Your idea is perfect, though it needs some refinement. The torus with two holes can actually be disconnected by a single curve (can you find it?). You want to consider what are called non-separating curves — curves that don’t immediately cut the surface into separate pieces.
    – Santana Afton
    3 hours ago











  • @James I don't know what the fundamental group is, and I think it is outside the scope of the class I follow.
    – tiintin
    3 hours ago













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I would like to understand why the torus with one hole is not homeomorphic to the torus with two holes.



I have a very basic understanding of the concepts (I know what an homeomorphism is but not much more).



My idea is that a torus with one hole can be disconnected by two loops, whereas the torus with two holes may not be disconnected by two loops.



Is this argument correct? Can it me formalized (even the part on connectedness).



Or maybe there is better argument










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I would like to understand why the torus with one hole is not homeomorphic to the torus with two holes.



I have a very basic understanding of the concepts (I know what an homeomorphism is but not much more).



My idea is that a torus with one hole can be disconnected by two loops, whereas the torus with two holes may not be disconnected by two loops.



Is this argument correct? Can it me formalized (even the part on connectedness).



Or maybe there is better argument







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  • Your idea is ok. Formally you should convince yourself that these objects have different homeomorphic invariants. For example you could consider the fundamental group. It is generated by two cycles for the torus with one hole and by more than two for the torus with two holes. Start by drawing a picture!
    – James
    3 hours ago










  • Your idea is perfect, though it needs some refinement. The torus with two holes can actually be disconnected by a single curve (can you find it?). You want to consider what are called non-separating curves — curves that don’t immediately cut the surface into separate pieces.
    – Santana Afton
    3 hours ago











  • @James I don't know what the fundamental group is, and I think it is outside the scope of the class I follow.
    – tiintin
    3 hours ago

















  • Your idea is ok. Formally you should convince yourself that these objects have different homeomorphic invariants. For example you could consider the fundamental group. It is generated by two cycles for the torus with one hole and by more than two for the torus with two holes. Start by drawing a picture!
    – James
    3 hours ago










  • Your idea is perfect, though it needs some refinement. The torus with two holes can actually be disconnected by a single curve (can you find it?). You want to consider what are called non-separating curves — curves that don’t immediately cut the surface into separate pieces.
    – Santana Afton
    3 hours ago











  • @James I don't know what the fundamental group is, and I think it is outside the scope of the class I follow.
    – tiintin
    3 hours ago
















Your idea is ok. Formally you should convince yourself that these objects have different homeomorphic invariants. For example you could consider the fundamental group. It is generated by two cycles for the torus with one hole and by more than two for the torus with two holes. Start by drawing a picture!
– James
3 hours ago




Your idea is ok. Formally you should convince yourself that these objects have different homeomorphic invariants. For example you could consider the fundamental group. It is generated by two cycles for the torus with one hole and by more than two for the torus with two holes. Start by drawing a picture!
– James
3 hours ago












Your idea is perfect, though it needs some refinement. The torus with two holes can actually be disconnected by a single curve (can you find it?). You want to consider what are called non-separating curves — curves that don’t immediately cut the surface into separate pieces.
– Santana Afton
3 hours ago





Your idea is perfect, though it needs some refinement. The torus with two holes can actually be disconnected by a single curve (can you find it?). You want to consider what are called non-separating curves — curves that don’t immediately cut the surface into separate pieces.
– Santana Afton
3 hours ago













@James I don't know what the fundamental group is, and I think it is outside the scope of the class I follow.
– tiintin
3 hours ago





@James I don't know what the fundamental group is, and I think it is outside the scope of the class I follow.
– tiintin
3 hours ago











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Let’s prove it!



For the sake of getting some contradiction, let $f:S_1to S_2$ be a homeomorphism. Here, $S_1$ is the one-holed torus and $S_2$ is the two-holed torus.



Now, define a non-separating curve $gamma$ on a surface $S$ to be a curve such that $Ssetminusgamma$ is still connected.



Let $gamma_1$ and $gamma_2$ be the two most popular curves on $S_1$ that cut the torus into a disk. Since $f$ is a homeomorphism, the image of these curves under $f$ (i.e. $f(gamma_1)$ and $f(gamma_2)$) must also cut $S_2$ into a disk. Now, I claim that $f(gamma_1)$ and $f(gamma_2)$ must also be non-separating in $S_2$. This is a good exercise to stew on by yourself!



Moreover, I claim that no pair of non-separating curves can cut $S_2$ into a disk. To prove this, you pick your favorite pair of non-separating curves on $S_2$, and cut along them. Show this is not a disk. Then, for any other pair of non-separating curves $alpha_i$, there is a homeomorphism taking the $alpha_i$ curves to your favorite curves. Thus, cutting along the $alpha_i$ curves cannot yield a disk.



However, from earlier we know that $f(gamma_i)$ must cut $S_2$ into a disk, thus obtaining our contradiction.






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  • Thanks you for your detailed explanations. However I have a hard time trying to figure out those popular curves. Are they the two loops that "generate" the torus? To me they cut the torus into a disc with a hole and a cylindre.
    – tiintin
    2 hours ago










  • These curves are the blue and red curves in this image. Let me know if these makes things more clear!
    – Santana Afton
    2 hours ago










  • Ok these are indeed the curves I was refering to as "generating" the torus (I guess this is not the correct vocabulary). However I still cannot see why they cut the torus into a disk...
    – tiintin
    2 hours ago










  • People do use that vocabulary to refer to those curves, but usually within the context of the fundamental group. I just wanted to be explicit. You can cut the torus in steps. What do you get if you cut along just the red curve?
    – Santana Afton
    2 hours ago










  • Oh ok I get it, you need to cut along both! (sorry, English isn't my first language).
    – tiintin
    2 hours ago

















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One of these has $H^1(Sigma_1,Bbb Z)cong Bbb Z^2$ and the other $H^1(Sigma_2,Bbb Z)cong Bbb Z^4$.



In general the $g$-holed torus $Sigma_g$ has $H^1(Sigma_g,Bbb Z)cong Bbb Z^2g$.



One can see this by considering a representative loop for each of the $2g$-homotopy classes on the $g$-holed torus, and cutting along these, and by homeomorphism taking any pair of such cut surfaces to one another.




Informally you can simply fix a base-point for loops to start and end at. On the $1$-holed torus $Sigma_1$ there are two topologically distinct types of loops. Those that go 'through' the hole, and those that go around the torus. Similarly on the $2$-holed torus, there are $4$ different types of generating loops, either going 'around' each hole, or through it.



These generating loops all contribute $1$ rank to $H^1(Sigma_g,Bbb Z)$. So really there is nothing scary about this.






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  • I don't understand the notations, and I am looking for a formal proof using basic concepts. I don't know what an homotopy class is.
    – tiintin
    3 hours ago











  • The OP stated that they have a very basic understanding of surface topology. I doubt that an appeal to homology would be of much use, here.
    – Santana Afton
    3 hours ago

















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You can get a figure $8$ as the intersection of a plane with the torus with two holes but not with the one with only one hole.






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  • Ok I get the idea, could you please develop it formally?
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Let’s prove it!



For the sake of getting some contradiction, let $f:S_1to S_2$ be a homeomorphism. Here, $S_1$ is the one-holed torus and $S_2$ is the two-holed torus.



Now, define a non-separating curve $gamma$ on a surface $S$ to be a curve such that $Ssetminusgamma$ is still connected.



Let $gamma_1$ and $gamma_2$ be the two most popular curves on $S_1$ that cut the torus into a disk. Since $f$ is a homeomorphism, the image of these curves under $f$ (i.e. $f(gamma_1)$ and $f(gamma_2)$) must also cut $S_2$ into a disk. Now, I claim that $f(gamma_1)$ and $f(gamma_2)$ must also be non-separating in $S_2$. This is a good exercise to stew on by yourself!



Moreover, I claim that no pair of non-separating curves can cut $S_2$ into a disk. To prove this, you pick your favorite pair of non-separating curves on $S_2$, and cut along them. Show this is not a disk. Then, for any other pair of non-separating curves $alpha_i$, there is a homeomorphism taking the $alpha_i$ curves to your favorite curves. Thus, cutting along the $alpha_i$ curves cannot yield a disk.



However, from earlier we know that $f(gamma_i)$ must cut $S_2$ into a disk, thus obtaining our contradiction.






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  • Thanks you for your detailed explanations. However I have a hard time trying to figure out those popular curves. Are they the two loops that "generate" the torus? To me they cut the torus into a disc with a hole and a cylindre.
    – tiintin
    2 hours ago










  • These curves are the blue and red curves in this image. Let me know if these makes things more clear!
    – Santana Afton
    2 hours ago










  • Ok these are indeed the curves I was refering to as "generating" the torus (I guess this is not the correct vocabulary). However I still cannot see why they cut the torus into a disk...
    – tiintin
    2 hours ago










  • People do use that vocabulary to refer to those curves, but usually within the context of the fundamental group. I just wanted to be explicit. You can cut the torus in steps. What do you get if you cut along just the red curve?
    – Santana Afton
    2 hours ago










  • Oh ok I get it, you need to cut along both! (sorry, English isn't my first language).
    – tiintin
    2 hours ago














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Let’s prove it!



For the sake of getting some contradiction, let $f:S_1to S_2$ be a homeomorphism. Here, $S_1$ is the one-holed torus and $S_2$ is the two-holed torus.



Now, define a non-separating curve $gamma$ on a surface $S$ to be a curve such that $Ssetminusgamma$ is still connected.



Let $gamma_1$ and $gamma_2$ be the two most popular curves on $S_1$ that cut the torus into a disk. Since $f$ is a homeomorphism, the image of these curves under $f$ (i.e. $f(gamma_1)$ and $f(gamma_2)$) must also cut $S_2$ into a disk. Now, I claim that $f(gamma_1)$ and $f(gamma_2)$ must also be non-separating in $S_2$. This is a good exercise to stew on by yourself!



Moreover, I claim that no pair of non-separating curves can cut $S_2$ into a disk. To prove this, you pick your favorite pair of non-separating curves on $S_2$, and cut along them. Show this is not a disk. Then, for any other pair of non-separating curves $alpha_i$, there is a homeomorphism taking the $alpha_i$ curves to your favorite curves. Thus, cutting along the $alpha_i$ curves cannot yield a disk.



However, from earlier we know that $f(gamma_i)$ must cut $S_2$ into a disk, thus obtaining our contradiction.






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  • Thanks you for your detailed explanations. However I have a hard time trying to figure out those popular curves. Are they the two loops that "generate" the torus? To me they cut the torus into a disc with a hole and a cylindre.
    – tiintin
    2 hours ago










  • These curves are the blue and red curves in this image. Let me know if these makes things more clear!
    – Santana Afton
    2 hours ago










  • Ok these are indeed the curves I was refering to as "generating" the torus (I guess this is not the correct vocabulary). However I still cannot see why they cut the torus into a disk...
    – tiintin
    2 hours ago










  • People do use that vocabulary to refer to those curves, but usually within the context of the fundamental group. I just wanted to be explicit. You can cut the torus in steps. What do you get if you cut along just the red curve?
    – Santana Afton
    2 hours ago










  • Oh ok I get it, you need to cut along both! (sorry, English isn't my first language).
    – tiintin
    2 hours ago












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Let’s prove it!



For the sake of getting some contradiction, let $f:S_1to S_2$ be a homeomorphism. Here, $S_1$ is the one-holed torus and $S_2$ is the two-holed torus.



Now, define a non-separating curve $gamma$ on a surface $S$ to be a curve such that $Ssetminusgamma$ is still connected.



Let $gamma_1$ and $gamma_2$ be the two most popular curves on $S_1$ that cut the torus into a disk. Since $f$ is a homeomorphism, the image of these curves under $f$ (i.e. $f(gamma_1)$ and $f(gamma_2)$) must also cut $S_2$ into a disk. Now, I claim that $f(gamma_1)$ and $f(gamma_2)$ must also be non-separating in $S_2$. This is a good exercise to stew on by yourself!



Moreover, I claim that no pair of non-separating curves can cut $S_2$ into a disk. To prove this, you pick your favorite pair of non-separating curves on $S_2$, and cut along them. Show this is not a disk. Then, for any other pair of non-separating curves $alpha_i$, there is a homeomorphism taking the $alpha_i$ curves to your favorite curves. Thus, cutting along the $alpha_i$ curves cannot yield a disk.



However, from earlier we know that $f(gamma_i)$ must cut $S_2$ into a disk, thus obtaining our contradiction.






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Let’s prove it!



For the sake of getting some contradiction, let $f:S_1to S_2$ be a homeomorphism. Here, $S_1$ is the one-holed torus and $S_2$ is the two-holed torus.



Now, define a non-separating curve $gamma$ on a surface $S$ to be a curve such that $Ssetminusgamma$ is still connected.



Let $gamma_1$ and $gamma_2$ be the two most popular curves on $S_1$ that cut the torus into a disk. Since $f$ is a homeomorphism, the image of these curves under $f$ (i.e. $f(gamma_1)$ and $f(gamma_2)$) must also cut $S_2$ into a disk. Now, I claim that $f(gamma_1)$ and $f(gamma_2)$ must also be non-separating in $S_2$. This is a good exercise to stew on by yourself!



Moreover, I claim that no pair of non-separating curves can cut $S_2$ into a disk. To prove this, you pick your favorite pair of non-separating curves on $S_2$, and cut along them. Show this is not a disk. Then, for any other pair of non-separating curves $alpha_i$, there is a homeomorphism taking the $alpha_i$ curves to your favorite curves. Thus, cutting along the $alpha_i$ curves cannot yield a disk.



However, from earlier we know that $f(gamma_i)$ must cut $S_2$ into a disk, thus obtaining our contradiction.







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  • Thanks you for your detailed explanations. However I have a hard time trying to figure out those popular curves. Are they the two loops that "generate" the torus? To me they cut the torus into a disc with a hole and a cylindre.
    – tiintin
    2 hours ago










  • These curves are the blue and red curves in this image. Let me know if these makes things more clear!
    – Santana Afton
    2 hours ago










  • Ok these are indeed the curves I was refering to as "generating" the torus (I guess this is not the correct vocabulary). However I still cannot see why they cut the torus into a disk...
    – tiintin
    2 hours ago










  • People do use that vocabulary to refer to those curves, but usually within the context of the fundamental group. I just wanted to be explicit. You can cut the torus in steps. What do you get if you cut along just the red curve?
    – Santana Afton
    2 hours ago










  • Oh ok I get it, you need to cut along both! (sorry, English isn't my first language).
    – tiintin
    2 hours ago
















  • Thanks you for your detailed explanations. However I have a hard time trying to figure out those popular curves. Are they the two loops that "generate" the torus? To me they cut the torus into a disc with a hole and a cylindre.
    – tiintin
    2 hours ago










  • These curves are the blue and red curves in this image. Let me know if these makes things more clear!
    – Santana Afton
    2 hours ago










  • Ok these are indeed the curves I was refering to as "generating" the torus (I guess this is not the correct vocabulary). However I still cannot see why they cut the torus into a disk...
    – tiintin
    2 hours ago










  • People do use that vocabulary to refer to those curves, but usually within the context of the fundamental group. I just wanted to be explicit. You can cut the torus in steps. What do you get if you cut along just the red curve?
    – Santana Afton
    2 hours ago










  • Oh ok I get it, you need to cut along both! (sorry, English isn't my first language).
    – tiintin
    2 hours ago















Thanks you for your detailed explanations. However I have a hard time trying to figure out those popular curves. Are they the two loops that "generate" the torus? To me they cut the torus into a disc with a hole and a cylindre.
– tiintin
2 hours ago




Thanks you for your detailed explanations. However I have a hard time trying to figure out those popular curves. Are they the two loops that "generate" the torus? To me they cut the torus into a disc with a hole and a cylindre.
– tiintin
2 hours ago












These curves are the blue and red curves in this image. Let me know if these makes things more clear!
– Santana Afton
2 hours ago




These curves are the blue and red curves in this image. Let me know if these makes things more clear!
– Santana Afton
2 hours ago












Ok these are indeed the curves I was refering to as "generating" the torus (I guess this is not the correct vocabulary). However I still cannot see why they cut the torus into a disk...
– tiintin
2 hours ago




Ok these are indeed the curves I was refering to as "generating" the torus (I guess this is not the correct vocabulary). However I still cannot see why they cut the torus into a disk...
– tiintin
2 hours ago












People do use that vocabulary to refer to those curves, but usually within the context of the fundamental group. I just wanted to be explicit. You can cut the torus in steps. What do you get if you cut along just the red curve?
– Santana Afton
2 hours ago




People do use that vocabulary to refer to those curves, but usually within the context of the fundamental group. I just wanted to be explicit. You can cut the torus in steps. What do you get if you cut along just the red curve?
– Santana Afton
2 hours ago












Oh ok I get it, you need to cut along both! (sorry, English isn't my first language).
– tiintin
2 hours ago




Oh ok I get it, you need to cut along both! (sorry, English isn't my first language).
– tiintin
2 hours ago










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One of these has $H^1(Sigma_1,Bbb Z)cong Bbb Z^2$ and the other $H^1(Sigma_2,Bbb Z)cong Bbb Z^4$.



In general the $g$-holed torus $Sigma_g$ has $H^1(Sigma_g,Bbb Z)cong Bbb Z^2g$.



One can see this by considering a representative loop for each of the $2g$-homotopy classes on the $g$-holed torus, and cutting along these, and by homeomorphism taking any pair of such cut surfaces to one another.




Informally you can simply fix a base-point for loops to start and end at. On the $1$-holed torus $Sigma_1$ there are two topologically distinct types of loops. Those that go 'through' the hole, and those that go around the torus. Similarly on the $2$-holed torus, there are $4$ different types of generating loops, either going 'around' each hole, or through it.



These generating loops all contribute $1$ rank to $H^1(Sigma_g,Bbb Z)$. So really there is nothing scary about this.






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  • I don't understand the notations, and I am looking for a formal proof using basic concepts. I don't know what an homotopy class is.
    – tiintin
    3 hours ago











  • The OP stated that they have a very basic understanding of surface topology. I doubt that an appeal to homology would be of much use, here.
    – Santana Afton
    3 hours ago














up vote
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down vote













One of these has $H^1(Sigma_1,Bbb Z)cong Bbb Z^2$ and the other $H^1(Sigma_2,Bbb Z)cong Bbb Z^4$.



In general the $g$-holed torus $Sigma_g$ has $H^1(Sigma_g,Bbb Z)cong Bbb Z^2g$.



One can see this by considering a representative loop for each of the $2g$-homotopy classes on the $g$-holed torus, and cutting along these, and by homeomorphism taking any pair of such cut surfaces to one another.




Informally you can simply fix a base-point for loops to start and end at. On the $1$-holed torus $Sigma_1$ there are two topologically distinct types of loops. Those that go 'through' the hole, and those that go around the torus. Similarly on the $2$-holed torus, there are $4$ different types of generating loops, either going 'around' each hole, or through it.



These generating loops all contribute $1$ rank to $H^1(Sigma_g,Bbb Z)$. So really there is nothing scary about this.






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  • I don't understand the notations, and I am looking for a formal proof using basic concepts. I don't know what an homotopy class is.
    – tiintin
    3 hours ago











  • The OP stated that they have a very basic understanding of surface topology. I doubt that an appeal to homology would be of much use, here.
    – Santana Afton
    3 hours ago












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One of these has $H^1(Sigma_1,Bbb Z)cong Bbb Z^2$ and the other $H^1(Sigma_2,Bbb Z)cong Bbb Z^4$.



In general the $g$-holed torus $Sigma_g$ has $H^1(Sigma_g,Bbb Z)cong Bbb Z^2g$.



One can see this by considering a representative loop for each of the $2g$-homotopy classes on the $g$-holed torus, and cutting along these, and by homeomorphism taking any pair of such cut surfaces to one another.




Informally you can simply fix a base-point for loops to start and end at. On the $1$-holed torus $Sigma_1$ there are two topologically distinct types of loops. Those that go 'through' the hole, and those that go around the torus. Similarly on the $2$-holed torus, there are $4$ different types of generating loops, either going 'around' each hole, or through it.



These generating loops all contribute $1$ rank to $H^1(Sigma_g,Bbb Z)$. So really there is nothing scary about this.






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One of these has $H^1(Sigma_1,Bbb Z)cong Bbb Z^2$ and the other $H^1(Sigma_2,Bbb Z)cong Bbb Z^4$.



In general the $g$-holed torus $Sigma_g$ has $H^1(Sigma_g,Bbb Z)cong Bbb Z^2g$.



One can see this by considering a representative loop for each of the $2g$-homotopy classes on the $g$-holed torus, and cutting along these, and by homeomorphism taking any pair of such cut surfaces to one another.




Informally you can simply fix a base-point for loops to start and end at. On the $1$-holed torus $Sigma_1$ there are two topologically distinct types of loops. Those that go 'through' the hole, and those that go around the torus. Similarly on the $2$-holed torus, there are $4$ different types of generating loops, either going 'around' each hole, or through it.



These generating loops all contribute $1$ rank to $H^1(Sigma_g,Bbb Z)$. So really there is nothing scary about this.







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  • I don't understand the notations, and I am looking for a formal proof using basic concepts. I don't know what an homotopy class is.
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  • The OP stated that they have a very basic understanding of surface topology. I doubt that an appeal to homology would be of much use, here.
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  • I don't understand the notations, and I am looking for a formal proof using basic concepts. I don't know what an homotopy class is.
    – tiintin
    3 hours ago











  • The OP stated that they have a very basic understanding of surface topology. I doubt that an appeal to homology would be of much use, here.
    – Santana Afton
    3 hours ago















I don't understand the notations, and I am looking for a formal proof using basic concepts. I don't know what an homotopy class is.
– tiintin
3 hours ago





I don't understand the notations, and I am looking for a formal proof using basic concepts. I don't know what an homotopy class is.
– tiintin
3 hours ago













The OP stated that they have a very basic understanding of surface topology. I doubt that an appeal to homology would be of much use, here.
– Santana Afton
3 hours ago




The OP stated that they have a very basic understanding of surface topology. I doubt that an appeal to homology would be of much use, here.
– Santana Afton
3 hours ago










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You can get a figure $8$ as the intersection of a plane with the torus with two holes but not with the one with only one hole.






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