Mac 10.13.4 - `renice` seems to have no effect

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I am trying to test out the renice command on my Mac, it seems to be having no effect. This is how I'm testing it:



I have a dual core CPU with hyper threading, so I run 6 instances of node -e 'while(1)' which, combined, max out my CPU. (Alternatively, run while true; do echo running > /dev/null ; done if you dont have node.)



I then get a PID of one of the node processes, either by the activity monitor application or pgrep, and then run sudo renice -n 19 -p $PID.



By looking at the activity monitor application or htop, the CPU usage of all of the node processes are still equivalent:



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My understanding was that the process that I reniced would have a low priority, and so would not use a significant amount of CPU time when there are other processes using it.



Am I misunderstanding something about renice? Or is this a bug in Mac OS?







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    You have four cores, and you have four running processes. Why would each not get their own core?
    – Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams
    May 8 at 5:58







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    A nice process would still get 100% of a CPU if it was available to it.
    – Kusalananda
    May 8 at 6:10










  • @IgnacioVazquez-Abrams No, I have 2 cores, with hyperthreading. Hyperthreading gives, on average is about 30% of a core's worth of performance. Therefore 4 threads may not (on avg) be able to run in parallel.
    – Dylanthepiguy
    May 8 at 7:52










  • @IgnacioVazquez-Abrams , @Kusalananda , I can add more node processes, e.g. 6, and the same effect is produced - same cpu usage. I have edited my question to show this
    – Dylanthepiguy
    May 8 at 7:53







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    Running some rudimentary tests I’m seeing this too on 10.13.4. The curious thing is that on my FreeBSD system the Priority of a process shifts with the niceness. On macOS the Priority remains the same, so I wonder if it is a bug. Might be worth flagging to Apple if anyone has an appropriate account.
    – forquare
    May 18 at 8:26














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I am trying to test out the renice command on my Mac, it seems to be having no effect. This is how I'm testing it:



I have a dual core CPU with hyper threading, so I run 6 instances of node -e 'while(1)' which, combined, max out my CPU. (Alternatively, run while true; do echo running > /dev/null ; done if you dont have node.)



I then get a PID of one of the node processes, either by the activity monitor application or pgrep, and then run sudo renice -n 19 -p $PID.



By looking at the activity monitor application or htop, the CPU usage of all of the node processes are still equivalent:



enter image description here



My understanding was that the process that I reniced would have a low priority, and so would not use a significant amount of CPU time when there are other processes using it.



Am I misunderstanding something about renice? Or is this a bug in Mac OS?







share|improve this question

















  • 3




    You have four cores, and you have four running processes. Why would each not get their own core?
    – Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams
    May 8 at 5:58







  • 3




    A nice process would still get 100% of a CPU if it was available to it.
    – Kusalananda
    May 8 at 6:10










  • @IgnacioVazquez-Abrams No, I have 2 cores, with hyperthreading. Hyperthreading gives, on average is about 30% of a core's worth of performance. Therefore 4 threads may not (on avg) be able to run in parallel.
    – Dylanthepiguy
    May 8 at 7:52










  • @IgnacioVazquez-Abrams , @Kusalananda , I can add more node processes, e.g. 6, and the same effect is produced - same cpu usage. I have edited my question to show this
    – Dylanthepiguy
    May 8 at 7:53







  • 1




    Running some rudimentary tests I’m seeing this too on 10.13.4. The curious thing is that on my FreeBSD system the Priority of a process shifts with the niceness. On macOS the Priority remains the same, so I wonder if it is a bug. Might be worth flagging to Apple if anyone has an appropriate account.
    – forquare
    May 18 at 8:26












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I am trying to test out the renice command on my Mac, it seems to be having no effect. This is how I'm testing it:



I have a dual core CPU with hyper threading, so I run 6 instances of node -e 'while(1)' which, combined, max out my CPU. (Alternatively, run while true; do echo running > /dev/null ; done if you dont have node.)



I then get a PID of one of the node processes, either by the activity monitor application or pgrep, and then run sudo renice -n 19 -p $PID.



By looking at the activity monitor application or htop, the CPU usage of all of the node processes are still equivalent:



enter image description here



My understanding was that the process that I reniced would have a low priority, and so would not use a significant amount of CPU time when there are other processes using it.



Am I misunderstanding something about renice? Or is this a bug in Mac OS?







share|improve this question













I am trying to test out the renice command on my Mac, it seems to be having no effect. This is how I'm testing it:



I have a dual core CPU with hyper threading, so I run 6 instances of node -e 'while(1)' which, combined, max out my CPU. (Alternatively, run while true; do echo running > /dev/null ; done if you dont have node.)



I then get a PID of one of the node processes, either by the activity monitor application or pgrep, and then run sudo renice -n 19 -p $PID.



By looking at the activity monitor application or htop, the CPU usage of all of the node processes are still equivalent:



enter image description here



My understanding was that the process that I reniced would have a low priority, and so would not use a significant amount of CPU time when there are other processes using it.



Am I misunderstanding something about renice? Or is this a bug in Mac OS?









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  • 3




    You have four cores, and you have four running processes. Why would each not get their own core?
    – Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams
    May 8 at 5:58







  • 3




    A nice process would still get 100% of a CPU if it was available to it.
    – Kusalananda
    May 8 at 6:10










  • @IgnacioVazquez-Abrams No, I have 2 cores, with hyperthreading. Hyperthreading gives, on average is about 30% of a core's worth of performance. Therefore 4 threads may not (on avg) be able to run in parallel.
    – Dylanthepiguy
    May 8 at 7:52










  • @IgnacioVazquez-Abrams , @Kusalananda , I can add more node processes, e.g. 6, and the same effect is produced - same cpu usage. I have edited my question to show this
    – Dylanthepiguy
    May 8 at 7:53







  • 1




    Running some rudimentary tests I’m seeing this too on 10.13.4. The curious thing is that on my FreeBSD system the Priority of a process shifts with the niceness. On macOS the Priority remains the same, so I wonder if it is a bug. Might be worth flagging to Apple if anyone has an appropriate account.
    – forquare
    May 18 at 8:26












  • 3




    You have four cores, and you have four running processes. Why would each not get their own core?
    – Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams
    May 8 at 5:58







  • 3




    A nice process would still get 100% of a CPU if it was available to it.
    – Kusalananda
    May 8 at 6:10










  • @IgnacioVazquez-Abrams No, I have 2 cores, with hyperthreading. Hyperthreading gives, on average is about 30% of a core's worth of performance. Therefore 4 threads may not (on avg) be able to run in parallel.
    – Dylanthepiguy
    May 8 at 7:52










  • @IgnacioVazquez-Abrams , @Kusalananda , I can add more node processes, e.g. 6, and the same effect is produced - same cpu usage. I have edited my question to show this
    – Dylanthepiguy
    May 8 at 7:53







  • 1




    Running some rudimentary tests I’m seeing this too on 10.13.4. The curious thing is that on my FreeBSD system the Priority of a process shifts with the niceness. On macOS the Priority remains the same, so I wonder if it is a bug. Might be worth flagging to Apple if anyone has an appropriate account.
    – forquare
    May 18 at 8:26







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3




You have four cores, and you have four running processes. Why would each not get their own core?
– Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams
May 8 at 5:58





You have four cores, and you have four running processes. Why would each not get their own core?
– Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams
May 8 at 5:58





3




3




A nice process would still get 100% of a CPU if it was available to it.
– Kusalananda
May 8 at 6:10




A nice process would still get 100% of a CPU if it was available to it.
– Kusalananda
May 8 at 6:10












@IgnacioVazquez-Abrams No, I have 2 cores, with hyperthreading. Hyperthreading gives, on average is about 30% of a core's worth of performance. Therefore 4 threads may not (on avg) be able to run in parallel.
– Dylanthepiguy
May 8 at 7:52




@IgnacioVazquez-Abrams No, I have 2 cores, with hyperthreading. Hyperthreading gives, on average is about 30% of a core's worth of performance. Therefore 4 threads may not (on avg) be able to run in parallel.
– Dylanthepiguy
May 8 at 7:52












@IgnacioVazquez-Abrams , @Kusalananda , I can add more node processes, e.g. 6, and the same effect is produced - same cpu usage. I have edited my question to show this
– Dylanthepiguy
May 8 at 7:53





@IgnacioVazquez-Abrams , @Kusalananda , I can add more node processes, e.g. 6, and the same effect is produced - same cpu usage. I have edited my question to show this
– Dylanthepiguy
May 8 at 7:53





1




1




Running some rudimentary tests I’m seeing this too on 10.13.4. The curious thing is that on my FreeBSD system the Priority of a process shifts with the niceness. On macOS the Priority remains the same, so I wonder if it is a bug. Might be worth flagging to Apple if anyone has an appropriate account.
– forquare
May 18 at 8:26




Running some rudimentary tests I’m seeing this too on 10.13.4. The curious thing is that on my FreeBSD system the Priority of a process shifts with the niceness. On macOS the Priority remains the same, so I wonder if it is a bug. Might be worth flagging to Apple if anyone has an appropriate account.
– forquare
May 18 at 8:26










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Running some rudimentary tests I’m seeing this too on 10.13.4.



I wrote a small C program called looper which did some basic maths in an infinite loop:



#include <stdio.h>

int main()
unsigned long long prev = 0;
unsigned long long current = 1;
unsigned long long total = 0;

while(1)
total = current + prev;
prev = current;
current = total;
printf("%llun", total);




I ran multiple copies of this on my FreeBSD box and examined them using htop(1). Using renice(8) I could see the Nice value being incremented, the Priority value being incremented, and the CPU percentage decreasing - expected behavior.



I ran the same program on macOS 10.13.4 and repeated the process. While I could see the Nice value incrementing, the Priority value and CPU percentage remained consistent.



I wonder if it is a bug, I've not had cause to look this closely at Nice values in macOS before - the behavior has been close enough to what I expected that I've not been inclined to investigate.



If you have a developer account it would be worth reporting this to Apple.






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    Thanks! I have been able to replicate that the priority has not been increased using ps -o pid,comm,pri,nice -p $(pgrep node). I've reported this to apple again on their developer bug reporter. Hopefully we get a response in any reasonable amount of time!
    – Dylanthepiguy
    May 18 at 8:58










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Running some rudimentary tests I’m seeing this too on 10.13.4.



I wrote a small C program called looper which did some basic maths in an infinite loop:



#include <stdio.h>

int main()
unsigned long long prev = 0;
unsigned long long current = 1;
unsigned long long total = 0;

while(1)
total = current + prev;
prev = current;
current = total;
printf("%llun", total);




I ran multiple copies of this on my FreeBSD box and examined them using htop(1). Using renice(8) I could see the Nice value being incremented, the Priority value being incremented, and the CPU percentage decreasing - expected behavior.



I ran the same program on macOS 10.13.4 and repeated the process. While I could see the Nice value incrementing, the Priority value and CPU percentage remained consistent.



I wonder if it is a bug, I've not had cause to look this closely at Nice values in macOS before - the behavior has been close enough to what I expected that I've not been inclined to investigate.



If you have a developer account it would be worth reporting this to Apple.






share|improve this answer

















  • 1




    Thanks! I have been able to replicate that the priority has not been increased using ps -o pid,comm,pri,nice -p $(pgrep node). I've reported this to apple again on their developer bug reporter. Hopefully we get a response in any reasonable amount of time!
    – Dylanthepiguy
    May 18 at 8:58














up vote
1
down vote



accepted










Running some rudimentary tests I’m seeing this too on 10.13.4.



I wrote a small C program called looper which did some basic maths in an infinite loop:



#include <stdio.h>

int main()
unsigned long long prev = 0;
unsigned long long current = 1;
unsigned long long total = 0;

while(1)
total = current + prev;
prev = current;
current = total;
printf("%llun", total);




I ran multiple copies of this on my FreeBSD box and examined them using htop(1). Using renice(8) I could see the Nice value being incremented, the Priority value being incremented, and the CPU percentage decreasing - expected behavior.



I ran the same program on macOS 10.13.4 and repeated the process. While I could see the Nice value incrementing, the Priority value and CPU percentage remained consistent.



I wonder if it is a bug, I've not had cause to look this closely at Nice values in macOS before - the behavior has been close enough to what I expected that I've not been inclined to investigate.



If you have a developer account it would be worth reporting this to Apple.






share|improve this answer

















  • 1




    Thanks! I have been able to replicate that the priority has not been increased using ps -o pid,comm,pri,nice -p $(pgrep node). I've reported this to apple again on their developer bug reporter. Hopefully we get a response in any reasonable amount of time!
    – Dylanthepiguy
    May 18 at 8:58












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up vote
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Running some rudimentary tests I’m seeing this too on 10.13.4.



I wrote a small C program called looper which did some basic maths in an infinite loop:



#include <stdio.h>

int main()
unsigned long long prev = 0;
unsigned long long current = 1;
unsigned long long total = 0;

while(1)
total = current + prev;
prev = current;
current = total;
printf("%llun", total);




I ran multiple copies of this on my FreeBSD box and examined them using htop(1). Using renice(8) I could see the Nice value being incremented, the Priority value being incremented, and the CPU percentage decreasing - expected behavior.



I ran the same program on macOS 10.13.4 and repeated the process. While I could see the Nice value incrementing, the Priority value and CPU percentage remained consistent.



I wonder if it is a bug, I've not had cause to look this closely at Nice values in macOS before - the behavior has been close enough to what I expected that I've not been inclined to investigate.



If you have a developer account it would be worth reporting this to Apple.






share|improve this answer













Running some rudimentary tests I’m seeing this too on 10.13.4.



I wrote a small C program called looper which did some basic maths in an infinite loop:



#include <stdio.h>

int main()
unsigned long long prev = 0;
unsigned long long current = 1;
unsigned long long total = 0;

while(1)
total = current + prev;
prev = current;
current = total;
printf("%llun", total);




I ran multiple copies of this on my FreeBSD box and examined them using htop(1). Using renice(8) I could see the Nice value being incremented, the Priority value being incremented, and the CPU percentage decreasing - expected behavior.



I ran the same program on macOS 10.13.4 and repeated the process. While I could see the Nice value incrementing, the Priority value and CPU percentage remained consistent.



I wonder if it is a bug, I've not had cause to look this closely at Nice values in macOS before - the behavior has been close enough to what I expected that I've not been inclined to investigate.



If you have a developer account it would be worth reporting this to Apple.







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    Thanks! I have been able to replicate that the priority has not been increased using ps -o pid,comm,pri,nice -p $(pgrep node). I've reported this to apple again on their developer bug reporter. Hopefully we get a response in any reasonable amount of time!
    – Dylanthepiguy
    May 18 at 8:58












  • 1




    Thanks! I have been able to replicate that the priority has not been increased using ps -o pid,comm,pri,nice -p $(pgrep node). I've reported this to apple again on their developer bug reporter. Hopefully we get a response in any reasonable amount of time!
    – Dylanthepiguy
    May 18 at 8:58







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1




Thanks! I have been able to replicate that the priority has not been increased using ps -o pid,comm,pri,nice -p $(pgrep node). I've reported this to apple again on their developer bug reporter. Hopefully we get a response in any reasonable amount of time!
– Dylanthepiguy
May 18 at 8:58




Thanks! I have been able to replicate that the priority has not been increased using ps -o pid,comm,pri,nice -p $(pgrep node). I've reported this to apple again on their developer bug reporter. Hopefully we get a response in any reasonable amount of time!
– Dylanthepiguy
May 18 at 8:58












 

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