Will expression retain the same definition if particle is changed?
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自分を奮い立たせるために、わざと自分の考えを声に出し行動を始めた。
I came across the expression 声を出す on jisho.org. I don't know if replacing the expression's を with に (because を is already used earlier in the sentence) will allow me to use the 声を出す definition when translating. Is this allowed?
particles particle-に particle-を
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自分を奮い立たせるために、わざと自分の考えを声に出し行動を始めた。
I came across the expression 声を出す on jisho.org. I don't know if replacing the expression's を with に (because を is already used earlier in the sentence) will allow me to use the 声を出す definition when translating. Is this allowed?
particles particle-に particle-を
edited Mar 10 at 3:09
Chocolate♦
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asked Mar 10 at 1:42
Toyu_FreyToyu_Frey
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自分を奮い立たせるために、わざと自分の考えを声に出し行動を始めた。
I came across the expression 声を出す on jisho.org. I don't know if replacing the expression's を with に (because を is already used earlier in the sentence) will allow me to use the 声を出す definition when translating. Is this allowed?
particles particle-に particle-を
edited Mar 10 at 3:09
Chocolate♦
48.7k459122
asked Mar 10 at 1:42
Toyu_FreyToyu_Frey
53119
自分を奮い立たせるために、わざと自分の考えを声に出し行動を始めた。
I came across the expression 声を出す on jisho.org. I don't know if replacing the expression's を with に (because を is already used earlier in the sentence) will allow me to use the 声を出す definition when translating. Is this allowed?
particles particle-に particle-を
particles particle-に particle-を
edited Mar 10 at 3:09
Chocolate♦
48.7k459122
asked Mar 10 at 1:42
Toyu_FreyToyu_Frey
53119
edited Mar 10 at 3:09
Chocolate♦
48.7k459122
asked Mar 10 at 1:42
Toyu_FreyToyu_Frey
53119
edited Mar 10 at 3:09
Chocolate♦
48.7k459122
edited Mar 10 at 3:09
Chocolate♦
48.7k459122
edited Mar 10 at 3:09
Chocolate♦
48.7k459122
48.7k459122
asked Mar 10 at 1:42
Toyu_FreyToyu_Frey
53119
asked Mar 10 at 1:42
Toyu_FreyToyu_Frey
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asked Mar 10 at 1:42
Toyu_FreyToyu_Frey
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I will assume you know how to connect verbs with the "te-form":
晩【ばん】ご飯【はん】を食【た】べて、寝【ね】る。I will eat dinner and (then) sleep.
So, usually in texts/books, etc. There's a more formal way to do so, which is using the dictionary form instead.
晩【ばん】ご飯【はん】を食【た】べ、寝【ね】る。I will eat dinner, and (then) sleep.
But sometimes, writers do that without using a comma in between verbs/words, and that is what might be throwing you off. So what you have there is 声に出し、行動. We could rewrite it as:
自分を奮い立たせるために、 わざと自分の考えを声に出して、行動を始めた。In order to cheer myself up, I started acting my thoughts out loud.
In your specific case though, I believe we should not use a comma, because it might be using the following pattern 声に出して＋verb/noun that usually means "Doing something out loud".
声に出して読む - To read out loud.
edited Mar 10 at 8:40
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answered Mar 10 at 2:14
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Wait a minute, its possible to connect verbs via no-te form?!? I never knew this... thanks for the information.
– Toyu_Frey
Mar 10 at 2:18
Yes, it is still called "continuative-form" but it uses the "dictionary form" instead of the "te-form" :)
– Felipe Oliveira
Mar 10 at 2:20
3
@Toyu_Frey Wait a minute, if you did not know that, why did you romove that part from your question? You were initially asking whether this 出し is a noun or a verb, but since you removed it, I thoght you were aware of that grammar :D
– naruto
Mar 10 at 6:55
@naruto I think I removed it as I realized that technically speaking, the correct answer was neither a verb nor a noun; thereby making that part of the question redundant; due to 声に出し being in truth a Japanese expression.
– Toyu_Frey
Mar 10 at 18:05
@Toyu_Frey This 出し is a verb (conjugated as 連用形). It perfectly follows the standard Japanese grammar... But let's continue about this form in your other question.
– naruto
Mar 11 at 0:29
add a comment |
声を出す cannot take another object because 声 itself is the object of this transitive verb. What is said as a word is not important.
声に出す is an "incomplete" expression because it lacks a direct object. It should be preceded by an object or a quotative-と to show the content of the speech. 声に itself is like an adverbial expression "as (physical) voice" or "aloud".
- 彼は謝罪の言葉を声に出した。
- 「ありがとう」と声に出して言いなさい。
See this question for more examples: What does "声が出る" mean?
answered Mar 10 at 1:58
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I will assume you know how to connect verbs with the "te-form":
晩【ばん】ご飯【はん】を食【た】べて、寝【ね】る。I will eat dinner and (then) sleep.
So, usually in texts/books, etc. There's a more formal way to do so, which is using the dictionary form instead.
晩【ばん】ご飯【はん】を食【た】べ、寝【ね】る。I will eat dinner, and (then) sleep.
But sometimes, writers do that without using a comma in between verbs/words, and that is what might be throwing you off. So what you have there is 声に出し、行動. We could rewrite it as:
自分を奮い立たせるために、 わざと自分の考えを声に出して、行動を始めた。In order to cheer myself up, I started acting my thoughts out loud.
In your specific case though, I believe we should not use a comma, because it might be using the following pattern 声に出して＋verb/noun that usually means "Doing something out loud".
声に出して読む - To read out loud.
edited Mar 10 at 8:40
V2Blast
274210
answered Mar 10 at 2:14
Felipe OliveiraFelipe Oliveira
2,043720
1
Wait a minute, its possible to connect verbs via no-te form?!? I never knew this... thanks for the information.
– Toyu_Frey
Mar 10 at 2:18
Yes, it is still called "continuative-form" but it uses the "dictionary form" instead of the "te-form" :)
– Felipe Oliveira
Mar 10 at 2:20
3
@Toyu_Frey Wait a minute, if you did not know that, why did you romove that part from your question? You were initially asking whether this 出し is a noun or a verb, but since you removed it, I thoght you were aware of that grammar :D
– naruto
Mar 10 at 6:55
@naruto I think I removed it as I realized that technically speaking, the correct answer was neither a verb nor a noun; thereby making that part of the question redundant; due to 声に出し being in truth a Japanese expression.
– Toyu_Frey
Mar 10 at 18:05
@Toyu_Frey This 出し is a verb (conjugated as 連用形). It perfectly follows the standard Japanese grammar... But let's continue about this form in your other question.
– naruto
Mar 11 at 0:29
add a comment |
I will assume you know how to connect verbs with the "te-form":
晩【ばん】ご飯【はん】を食【た】べて、寝【ね】る。I will eat dinner and (then) sleep.
So, usually in texts/books, etc. There's a more formal way to do so, which is using the dictionary form instead.
晩【ばん】ご飯【はん】を食【た】べ、寝【ね】る。I will eat dinner, and (then) sleep.
But sometimes, writers do that without using a comma in between verbs/words, and that is what might be throwing you off. So what you have there is 声に出し、行動. We could rewrite it as:
自分を奮い立たせるために、 わざと自分の考えを声に出して、行動を始めた。In order to cheer myself up, I started acting my thoughts out loud.
In your specific case though, I believe we should not use a comma, because it might be using the following pattern 声に出して＋verb/noun that usually means "Doing something out loud".
声に出して読む - To read out loud.
edited Mar 10 at 8:40
V2Blast
274210
answered Mar 10 at 2:14
Felipe OliveiraFelipe Oliveira
2,043720
1
Wait a minute, its possible to connect verbs via no-te form?!? I never knew this... thanks for the information.
– Toyu_Frey
Mar 10 at 2:18
Yes, it is still called "continuative-form" but it uses the "dictionary form" instead of the "te-form" :)
– Felipe Oliveira
Mar 10 at 2:20
3
@Toyu_Frey Wait a minute, if you did not know that, why did you romove that part from your question? You were initially asking whether this 出し is a noun or a verb, but since you removed it, I thoght you were aware of that grammar :D
– naruto
Mar 10 at 6:55
@naruto I think I removed it as I realized that technically speaking, the correct answer was neither a verb nor a noun; thereby making that part of the question redundant; due to 声に出し being in truth a Japanese expression.
– Toyu_Frey
Mar 10 at 18:05
@Toyu_Frey This 出し is a verb (conjugated as 連用形). It perfectly follows the standard Japanese grammar... But let's continue about this form in your other question.
– naruto
Mar 11 at 0:29
add a comment |
I will assume you know how to connect verbs with the "te-form":
晩【ばん】ご飯【はん】を食【た】べて、寝【ね】る。I will eat dinner and (then) sleep.
So, usually in texts/books, etc. There's a more formal way to do so, which is using the dictionary form instead.
晩【ばん】ご飯【はん】を食【た】べ、寝【ね】る。I will eat dinner, and (then) sleep.
But sometimes, writers do that without using a comma in between verbs/words, and that is what might be throwing you off. So what you have there is 声に出し、行動. We could rewrite it as:
自分を奮い立たせるために、 わざと自分の考えを声に出して、行動を始めた。In order to cheer myself up, I started acting my thoughts out loud.
In your specific case though, I believe we should not use a comma, because it might be using the following pattern 声に出して＋verb/noun that usually means "Doing something out loud".
声に出して読む - To read out loud.
edited Mar 10 at 8:40
V2Blast
274210
answered Mar 10 at 2:14
Felipe OliveiraFelipe Oliveira
2,043720
I will assume you know how to connect verbs with the "te-form":
晩【ばん】ご飯【はん】を食【た】べて、寝【ね】る。I will eat dinner and (then) sleep.
So, usually in texts/books, etc. There's a more formal way to do so, which is using the dictionary form instead.
晩【ばん】ご飯【はん】を食【た】べ、寝【ね】る。I will eat dinner, and (then) sleep.
But sometimes, writers do that without using a comma in between verbs/words, and that is what might be throwing you off. So what you have there is 声に出し、行動. We could rewrite it as:
自分を奮い立たせるために、 わざと自分の考えを声に出して、行動を始めた。In order to cheer myself up, I started acting my thoughts out loud.
In your specific case though, I believe we should not use a comma, because it might be using the following pattern 声に出して＋verb/noun that usually means "Doing something out loud".
声に出して読む - To read out loud.
edited Mar 10 at 8:40
V2Blast
274210
answered Mar 10 at 2:14
Felipe OliveiraFelipe Oliveira
2,043720
edited Mar 10 at 8:40
V2Blast
274210
edited Mar 10 at 8:40
V2Blast
274210
edited Mar 10 at 8:40
V2Blast
274210
274210
answered Mar 10 at 2:14
Felipe OliveiraFelipe Oliveira
2,043720
answered Mar 10 at 2:14
Felipe OliveiraFelipe Oliveira
2,043720
answered Mar 10 at 2:14
Felipe OliveiraFelipe Oliveira
2,043720
2,043720
1
Wait a minute, its possible to connect verbs via no-te form?!? I never knew this... thanks for the information.
– Toyu_Frey
Mar 10 at 2:18
Yes, it is still called "continuative-form" but it uses the "dictionary form" instead of the "te-form" :)
– Felipe Oliveira
Mar 10 at 2:20
3
@Toyu_Frey Wait a minute, if you did not know that, why did you romove that part from your question? You were initially asking whether this 出し is a noun or a verb, but since you removed it, I thoght you were aware of that grammar :D
– naruto
Mar 10 at 6:55
@naruto I think I removed it as I realized that technically speaking, the correct answer was neither a verb nor a noun; thereby making that part of the question redundant; due to 声に出し being in truth a Japanese expression.
– Toyu_Frey
Mar 10 at 18:05
@Toyu_Frey This 出し is a verb (conjugated as 連用形). It perfectly follows the standard Japanese grammar... But let's continue about this form in your other question.
– naruto
Mar 11 at 0:29
add a comment |
1
Wait a minute, its possible to connect verbs via no-te form?!? I never knew this... thanks for the information.
– Toyu_Frey
Mar 10 at 2:18
Yes, it is still called "continuative-form" but it uses the "dictionary form" instead of the "te-form" :)
– Felipe Oliveira
Mar 10 at 2:20
3
@Toyu_Frey Wait a minute, if you did not know that, why did you romove that part from your question? You were initially asking whether this 出し is a noun or a verb, but since you removed it, I thoght you were aware of that grammar :D
– naruto
Mar 10 at 6:55
@naruto I think I removed it as I realized that technically speaking, the correct answer was neither a verb nor a noun; thereby making that part of the question redundant; due to 声に出し being in truth a Japanese expression.
– Toyu_Frey
Mar 10 at 18:05
@Toyu_Frey This 出し is a verb (conjugated as 連用形). It perfectly follows the standard Japanese grammar... But let's continue about this form in your other question.
– naruto
Mar 11 at 0:29
1
1
Wait a minute, its possible to connect verbs via no-te form?!? I never knew this... thanks for the information.
– Toyu_Frey
Mar 10 at 2:18
Wait a minute, its possible to connect verbs via no-te form?!? I never knew this... thanks for the information.
– Toyu_Frey
Mar 10 at 2:18
Yes, it is still called "continuative-form" but it uses the "dictionary form" instead of the "te-form" :)
– Felipe Oliveira
Mar 10 at 2:20
Yes, it is still called "continuative-form" but it uses the "dictionary form" instead of the "te-form" :)
– Felipe Oliveira
Mar 10 at 2:20
3
3
@Toyu_Frey Wait a minute, if you did not know that, why did you romove that part from your question? You were initially asking whether this 出し is a noun or a verb, but since you removed it, I thoght you were aware of that grammar :D
– naruto
Mar 10 at 6:55
@Toyu_Frey Wait a minute, if you did not know that, why did you romove that part from your question? You were initially asking whether this 出し is a noun or a verb, but since you removed it, I thoght you were aware of that grammar :D
– naruto
Mar 10 at 6:55
@naruto I think I removed it as I realized that technically speaking, the correct answer was neither a verb nor a noun; thereby making that part of the question redundant; due to 声に出し being in truth a Japanese expression.
– Toyu_Frey
Mar 10 at 18:05
@naruto I think I removed it as I realized that technically speaking, the correct answer was neither a verb nor a noun; thereby making that part of the question redundant; due to 声に出し being in truth a Japanese expression.
– Toyu_Frey
Mar 10 at 18:05
@Toyu_Frey This 出し is a verb (conjugated as 連用形). It perfectly follows the standard Japanese grammar... But let's continue about this form in your other question.
– naruto
Mar 11 at 0:29
@Toyu_Frey This 出し is a verb (conjugated as 連用形). It perfectly follows the standard Japanese grammar... But let's continue about this form in your other question.
– naruto
Mar 11 at 0:29
add a comment |
声を出す cannot take another object because 声 itself is the object of this transitive verb. What is said as a word is not important.
声に出す is an "incomplete" expression because it lacks a direct object. It should be preceded by an object or a quotative-と to show the content of the speech. 声に itself is like an adverbial expression "as (physical) voice" or "aloud".
- 彼は謝罪の言葉を声に出した。
- 「ありがとう」と声に出して言いなさい。
See this question for more examples: What does "声が出る" mean?
answered Mar 10 at 1:58
narutonaruto
165k8158313
add a comment |
声を出す cannot take another object because 声 itself is the object of this transitive verb. What is said as a word is not important.
声に出す is an "incomplete" expression because it lacks a direct object. It should be preceded by an object or a quotative-と to show the content of the speech. 声に itself is like an adverbial expression "as (physical) voice" or "aloud".
- 彼は謝罪の言葉を声に出した。
- 「ありがとう」と声に出して言いなさい。
See this question for more examples: What does "声が出る" mean?
answered Mar 10 at 1:58
narutonaruto
165k8158313
add a comment |
声を出す cannot take another object because 声 itself is the object of this transitive verb. What is said as a word is not important.
声に出す is an "incomplete" expression because it lacks a direct object. It should be preceded by an object or a quotative-と to show the content of the speech. 声に itself is like an adverbial expression "as (physical) voice" or "aloud".
- 彼は謝罪の言葉を声に出した。
- 「ありがとう」と声に出して言いなさい。
See this question for more examples: What does "声が出る" mean?
answered Mar 10 at 1:58
narutonaruto
165k8158313
声を出す cannot take another object because 声 itself is the object of this transitive verb. What is said as a word is not important.
声に出す is an "incomplete" expression because it lacks a direct object. It should be preceded by an object or a quotative-と to show the content of the speech. 声に itself is like an adverbial expression "as (physical) voice" or "aloud".
- 彼は謝罪の言葉を声に出した。
- 「ありがとう」と声に出して言いなさい。
See this question for more examples: What does "声が出る" mean?
answered Mar 10 at 1:58
narutonaruto
165k8158313
edited Mar 10 at 2:36
answered Mar 10 at 1:58
narutonaruto
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answered Mar 10 at 1:58
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