How to calculate the limit $lim_xto1lfloorsin^-1(x)rfloor$?

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The question is about finding
$$lim_xto1 f(x)$$
where
$$f(x) = lfloorsin^-1(x)rfloor$$



The function takes the value $1$ at $x = 1$ but while approaching $1$ from the left side, it takes the value $0$ at all points.



The function is not defined at $x>1$ so the right limit does not exist.



The book mentions $1$ as the answer as $f(1)=1$ but i don't understand why.



What is the meaning of a limit?










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    The question is about finding
    $$lim_xto1 f(x)$$
    where
    $$f(x) = lfloorsin^-1(x)rfloor$$



    The function takes the value $1$ at $x = 1$ but while approaching $1$ from the left side, it takes the value $0$ at all points.



    The function is not defined at $x>1$ so the right limit does not exist.



    The book mentions $1$ as the answer as $f(1)=1$ but i don't understand why.



    What is the meaning of a limit?










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      The question is about finding
      $$lim_xto1 f(x)$$
      where
      $$f(x) = lfloorsin^-1(x)rfloor$$



      The function takes the value $1$ at $x = 1$ but while approaching $1$ from the left side, it takes the value $0$ at all points.



      The function is not defined at $x>1$ so the right limit does not exist.



      The book mentions $1$ as the answer as $f(1)=1$ but i don't understand why.



      What is the meaning of a limit?










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      The question is about finding
      $$lim_xto1 f(x)$$
      where
      $$f(x) = lfloorsin^-1(x)rfloor$$



      The function takes the value $1$ at $x = 1$ but while approaching $1$ from the left side, it takes the value $0$ at all points.



      The function is not defined at $x>1$ so the right limit does not exist.



      The book mentions $1$ as the answer as $f(1)=1$ but i don't understand why.



      What is the meaning of a limit?







      calculus limits trigonometry floor-function






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          Note that $arcsin(1) = fracpi2$, not $arcsin(1) = 1$; this means in particular that for values $x$ to the immediate left of $1$, also $arcsin(x) > 1$. Thus the function $mathrmfloor(arcsin(x))$ is continuous at $1$.



          However, the answer in the book is bad if it doesn't mention the fact that the function is continuous near $x$-value 1 and just gives the answer.






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          • Sorry, I got confused and thought arcsin(1) = 1. Sorry and thanks.
            – Harshit Joshi
            Sep 3 at 13:23










          • But what if the question was about $lim_x->1floor(x)$ $f: [0,1]->0,1$
            – Harshit Joshi
            Sep 3 at 13:28











          • Do you mean the case where $f(x) = mathrmfloor(x)$? In that case the correct answer would be $0$: for any $epsilon > 0$, take $delta = 1/2$, and then $0 < |x - 1| < delta$ (which just means $1/2 < x < 1$) implies that $|f(x) - 0| = |0 - 0| = 0 < epsilon$, as we needed to prove.
            – Mees de Vries
            Sep 3 at 13:30










          • Thanks for answering my stupid question
            – Harshit Joshi
            Sep 3 at 13:32

















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          You are correct, the limit is only defined as:



          $$lim_xto 1^- bigllfloor arcsin (x)bigrrfloor$$



          and since for $xto 1^-$ we have $arcsin (x)to fracpi2 gt1$, we have that the limit is $1$.






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          • The ordinary limit is also defined.
            – Yves Daoust
            Sep 3 at 13:47










          • @YvesDaoust Yes of course what I mean is that we are taking $xto 1^-$ even if we are allowed to write $xto 1$.
            – gimusi
            Sep 3 at 13:51

















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          On the left, $lfloorarcsin(1-epsilon)rfloor=lfloorfracpi2-deltarfloor=1$. The function is indeed undefined on the right but this doesn't matter as a limit is to be computed in the domain only. Thus,



          $$lim_xto 1lfloorarcsin xrfloor=lim_xto 1^-lfloorarcsin xrfloor=1.$$






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            Note that $arcsin(1) = fracpi2$, not $arcsin(1) = 1$; this means in particular that for values $x$ to the immediate left of $1$, also $arcsin(x) > 1$. Thus the function $mathrmfloor(arcsin(x))$ is continuous at $1$.



            However, the answer in the book is bad if it doesn't mention the fact that the function is continuous near $x$-value 1 and just gives the answer.






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            • Sorry, I got confused and thought arcsin(1) = 1. Sorry and thanks.
              – Harshit Joshi
              Sep 3 at 13:23










            • But what if the question was about $lim_x->1floor(x)$ $f: [0,1]->0,1$
              – Harshit Joshi
              Sep 3 at 13:28











            • Do you mean the case where $f(x) = mathrmfloor(x)$? In that case the correct answer would be $0$: for any $epsilon > 0$, take $delta = 1/2$, and then $0 < |x - 1| < delta$ (which just means $1/2 < x < 1$) implies that $|f(x) - 0| = |0 - 0| = 0 < epsilon$, as we needed to prove.
              – Mees de Vries
              Sep 3 at 13:30










            • Thanks for answering my stupid question
              – Harshit Joshi
              Sep 3 at 13:32














            up vote
            4
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            accepted










            Note that $arcsin(1) = fracpi2$, not $arcsin(1) = 1$; this means in particular that for values $x$ to the immediate left of $1$, also $arcsin(x) > 1$. Thus the function $mathrmfloor(arcsin(x))$ is continuous at $1$.



            However, the answer in the book is bad if it doesn't mention the fact that the function is continuous near $x$-value 1 and just gives the answer.






            share|cite|improve this answer




















            • Sorry, I got confused and thought arcsin(1) = 1. Sorry and thanks.
              – Harshit Joshi
              Sep 3 at 13:23










            • But what if the question was about $lim_x->1floor(x)$ $f: [0,1]->0,1$
              – Harshit Joshi
              Sep 3 at 13:28











            • Do you mean the case where $f(x) = mathrmfloor(x)$? In that case the correct answer would be $0$: for any $epsilon > 0$, take $delta = 1/2$, and then $0 < |x - 1| < delta$ (which just means $1/2 < x < 1$) implies that $|f(x) - 0| = |0 - 0| = 0 < epsilon$, as we needed to prove.
              – Mees de Vries
              Sep 3 at 13:30










            • Thanks for answering my stupid question
              – Harshit Joshi
              Sep 3 at 13:32












            up vote
            4
            down vote



            accepted







            up vote
            4
            down vote



            accepted






            Note that $arcsin(1) = fracpi2$, not $arcsin(1) = 1$; this means in particular that for values $x$ to the immediate left of $1$, also $arcsin(x) > 1$. Thus the function $mathrmfloor(arcsin(x))$ is continuous at $1$.



            However, the answer in the book is bad if it doesn't mention the fact that the function is continuous near $x$-value 1 and just gives the answer.






            share|cite|improve this answer












            Note that $arcsin(1) = fracpi2$, not $arcsin(1) = 1$; this means in particular that for values $x$ to the immediate left of $1$, also $arcsin(x) > 1$. Thus the function $mathrmfloor(arcsin(x))$ is continuous at $1$.



            However, the answer in the book is bad if it doesn't mention the fact that the function is continuous near $x$-value 1 and just gives the answer.







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            • Sorry, I got confused and thought arcsin(1) = 1. Sorry and thanks.
              – Harshit Joshi
              Sep 3 at 13:23










            • But what if the question was about $lim_x->1floor(x)$ $f: [0,1]->0,1$
              – Harshit Joshi
              Sep 3 at 13:28











            • Do you mean the case where $f(x) = mathrmfloor(x)$? In that case the correct answer would be $0$: for any $epsilon > 0$, take $delta = 1/2$, and then $0 < |x - 1| < delta$ (which just means $1/2 < x < 1$) implies that $|f(x) - 0| = |0 - 0| = 0 < epsilon$, as we needed to prove.
              – Mees de Vries
              Sep 3 at 13:30










            • Thanks for answering my stupid question
              – Harshit Joshi
              Sep 3 at 13:32
















            • Sorry, I got confused and thought arcsin(1) = 1. Sorry and thanks.
              – Harshit Joshi
              Sep 3 at 13:23










            • But what if the question was about $lim_x->1floor(x)$ $f: [0,1]->0,1$
              – Harshit Joshi
              Sep 3 at 13:28











            • Do you mean the case where $f(x) = mathrmfloor(x)$? In that case the correct answer would be $0$: for any $epsilon > 0$, take $delta = 1/2$, and then $0 < |x - 1| < delta$ (which just means $1/2 < x < 1$) implies that $|f(x) - 0| = |0 - 0| = 0 < epsilon$, as we needed to prove.
              – Mees de Vries
              Sep 3 at 13:30










            • Thanks for answering my stupid question
              – Harshit Joshi
              Sep 3 at 13:32















            Sorry, I got confused and thought arcsin(1) = 1. Sorry and thanks.
            – Harshit Joshi
            Sep 3 at 13:23




            Sorry, I got confused and thought arcsin(1) = 1. Sorry and thanks.
            – Harshit Joshi
            Sep 3 at 13:23












            But what if the question was about $lim_x->1floor(x)$ $f: [0,1]->0,1$
            – Harshit Joshi
            Sep 3 at 13:28





            But what if the question was about $lim_x->1floor(x)$ $f: [0,1]->0,1$
            – Harshit Joshi
            Sep 3 at 13:28













            Do you mean the case where $f(x) = mathrmfloor(x)$? In that case the correct answer would be $0$: for any $epsilon > 0$, take $delta = 1/2$, and then $0 < |x - 1| < delta$ (which just means $1/2 < x < 1$) implies that $|f(x) - 0| = |0 - 0| = 0 < epsilon$, as we needed to prove.
            – Mees de Vries
            Sep 3 at 13:30




            Do you mean the case where $f(x) = mathrmfloor(x)$? In that case the correct answer would be $0$: for any $epsilon > 0$, take $delta = 1/2$, and then $0 < |x - 1| < delta$ (which just means $1/2 < x < 1$) implies that $|f(x) - 0| = |0 - 0| = 0 < epsilon$, as we needed to prove.
            – Mees de Vries
            Sep 3 at 13:30












            Thanks for answering my stupid question
            – Harshit Joshi
            Sep 3 at 13:32




            Thanks for answering my stupid question
            – Harshit Joshi
            Sep 3 at 13:32










            up vote
            2
            down vote













            You are correct, the limit is only defined as:



            $$lim_xto 1^- bigllfloor arcsin (x)bigrrfloor$$



            and since for $xto 1^-$ we have $arcsin (x)to fracpi2 gt1$, we have that the limit is $1$.






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            • The ordinary limit is also defined.
              – Yves Daoust
              Sep 3 at 13:47










            • @YvesDaoust Yes of course what I mean is that we are taking $xto 1^-$ even if we are allowed to write $xto 1$.
              – gimusi
              Sep 3 at 13:51














            up vote
            2
            down vote













            You are correct, the limit is only defined as:



            $$lim_xto 1^- bigllfloor arcsin (x)bigrrfloor$$



            and since for $xto 1^-$ we have $arcsin (x)to fracpi2 gt1$, we have that the limit is $1$.






            share|cite|improve this answer






















            • The ordinary limit is also defined.
              – Yves Daoust
              Sep 3 at 13:47










            • @YvesDaoust Yes of course what I mean is that we are taking $xto 1^-$ even if we are allowed to write $xto 1$.
              – gimusi
              Sep 3 at 13:51












            up vote
            2
            down vote










            up vote
            2
            down vote









            You are correct, the limit is only defined as:



            $$lim_xto 1^- bigllfloor arcsin (x)bigrrfloor$$



            and since for $xto 1^-$ we have $arcsin (x)to fracpi2 gt1$, we have that the limit is $1$.






            share|cite|improve this answer














            You are correct, the limit is only defined as:



            $$lim_xto 1^- bigllfloor arcsin (x)bigrrfloor$$



            and since for $xto 1^-$ we have $arcsin (x)to fracpi2 gt1$, we have that the limit is $1$.







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            answered Sep 3 at 13:15









            gimusi

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            • The ordinary limit is also defined.
              – Yves Daoust
              Sep 3 at 13:47










            • @YvesDaoust Yes of course what I mean is that we are taking $xto 1^-$ even if we are allowed to write $xto 1$.
              – gimusi
              Sep 3 at 13:51
















            • The ordinary limit is also defined.
              – Yves Daoust
              Sep 3 at 13:47










            • @YvesDaoust Yes of course what I mean is that we are taking $xto 1^-$ even if we are allowed to write $xto 1$.
              – gimusi
              Sep 3 at 13:51















            The ordinary limit is also defined.
            – Yves Daoust
            Sep 3 at 13:47




            The ordinary limit is also defined.
            – Yves Daoust
            Sep 3 at 13:47












            @YvesDaoust Yes of course what I mean is that we are taking $xto 1^-$ even if we are allowed to write $xto 1$.
            – gimusi
            Sep 3 at 13:51




            @YvesDaoust Yes of course what I mean is that we are taking $xto 1^-$ even if we are allowed to write $xto 1$.
            – gimusi
            Sep 3 at 13:51










            up vote
            1
            down vote













            On the left, $lfloorarcsin(1-epsilon)rfloor=lfloorfracpi2-deltarfloor=1$. The function is indeed undefined on the right but this doesn't matter as a limit is to be computed in the domain only. Thus,



            $$lim_xto 1lfloorarcsin xrfloor=lim_xto 1^-lfloorarcsin xrfloor=1.$$






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              On the left, $lfloorarcsin(1-epsilon)rfloor=lfloorfracpi2-deltarfloor=1$. The function is indeed undefined on the right but this doesn't matter as a limit is to be computed in the domain only. Thus,



              $$lim_xto 1lfloorarcsin xrfloor=lim_xto 1^-lfloorarcsin xrfloor=1.$$






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                On the left, $lfloorarcsin(1-epsilon)rfloor=lfloorfracpi2-deltarfloor=1$. The function is indeed undefined on the right but this doesn't matter as a limit is to be computed in the domain only. Thus,



                $$lim_xto 1lfloorarcsin xrfloor=lim_xto 1^-lfloorarcsin xrfloor=1.$$






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                On the left, $lfloorarcsin(1-epsilon)rfloor=lfloorfracpi2-deltarfloor=1$. The function is indeed undefined on the right but this doesn't matter as a limit is to be computed in the domain only. Thus,



                $$lim_xto 1lfloorarcsin xrfloor=lim_xto 1^-lfloorarcsin xrfloor=1.$$







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