How to calculate the limit $lim_xto1lfloorsin^-1(x)rfloor$?
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The question is about finding
$$lim_xto1 f(x)$$
where
$$f(x) = lfloorsin^-1(x)rfloor$$
The function takes the value $1$ at $x = 1$ but while approaching $1$ from the left side, it takes the value $0$ at all points.
The function is not defined at $x>1$ so the right limit does not exist.
The book mentions $1$ as the answer as $f(1)=1$ but i don't understand why.
What is the meaning of a limit?
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The question is about finding
$$lim_xto1 f(x)$$
where
$$f(x) = lfloorsin^-1(x)rfloor$$
The function takes the value $1$ at $x = 1$ but while approaching $1$ from the left side, it takes the value $0$ at all points.
The function is not defined at $x>1$ so the right limit does not exist.
The book mentions $1$ as the answer as $f(1)=1$ but i don't understand why.
What is the meaning of a limit?
calculus limits trigonometry floor-function
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The question is about finding
$$lim_xto1 f(x)$$
where
$$f(x) = lfloorsin^-1(x)rfloor$$
The function takes the value $1$ at $x = 1$ but while approaching $1$ from the left side, it takes the value $0$ at all points.
The function is not defined at $x>1$ so the right limit does not exist.
The book mentions $1$ as the answer as $f(1)=1$ but i don't understand why.
What is the meaning of a limit?
calculus limits trigonometry floor-function
The question is about finding
$$lim_xto1 f(x)$$
where
$$f(x) = lfloorsin^-1(x)rfloor$$
The function takes the value $1$ at $x = 1$ but while approaching $1$ from the left side, it takes the value $0$ at all points.
The function is not defined at $x>1$ so the right limit does not exist.
The book mentions $1$ as the answer as $f(1)=1$ but i don't understand why.
What is the meaning of a limit?
calculus limits trigonometry floor-function
calculus limits trigonometry floor-function
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Note that $arcsin(1) = fracpi2$, not $arcsin(1) = 1$; this means in particular that for values $x$ to the immediate left of $1$, also $arcsin(x) > 1$. Thus the function $mathrmfloor(arcsin(x))$ is continuous at $1$.
However, the answer in the book is bad if it doesn't mention the fact that the function is continuous near $x$-value 1 and just gives the answer.
Sorry, I got confused and thought arcsin(1) = 1. Sorry and thanks.
â Harshit Joshi
Sep 3 at 13:23
But what if the question was about $lim_x->1floor(x)$ $f: [0,1]->0,1$
â Harshit Joshi
Sep 3 at 13:28
Do you mean the case where $f(x) = mathrmfloor(x)$? In that case the correct answer would be $0$: for any $epsilon > 0$, take $delta = 1/2$, and then $0 < |x - 1| < delta$ (which just means $1/2 < x < 1$) implies that $|f(x) - 0| = |0 - 0| = 0 < epsilon$, as we needed to prove.
â Mees de Vries
Sep 3 at 13:30
Thanks for answering my stupid question
â Harshit Joshi
Sep 3 at 13:32
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You are correct, the limit is only defined as:
$$lim_xto 1^- bigllfloor arcsin (x)bigrrfloor$$
and since for $xto 1^-$ we have $arcsin (x)to fracpi2 gt1$, we have that the limit is $1$.
The ordinary limit is also defined.
â Yves Daoust
Sep 3 at 13:47
@YvesDaoust Yes of course what I mean is that we are taking $xto 1^-$ even if we are allowed to write $xto 1$.
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On the left, $lfloorarcsin(1-epsilon)rfloor=lfloorfracpi2-deltarfloor=1$. The function is indeed undefined on the right but this doesn't matter as a limit is to be computed in the domain only. Thus,
$$lim_xto 1lfloorarcsin xrfloor=lim_xto 1^-lfloorarcsin xrfloor=1.$$
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3 Answers
3
active
oldest
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active
oldest
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active
oldest
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up vote
4
down vote
accepted
Note that $arcsin(1) = fracpi2$, not $arcsin(1) = 1$; this means in particular that for values $x$ to the immediate left of $1$, also $arcsin(x) > 1$. Thus the function $mathrmfloor(arcsin(x))$ is continuous at $1$.
However, the answer in the book is bad if it doesn't mention the fact that the function is continuous near $x$-value 1 and just gives the answer.
Sorry, I got confused and thought arcsin(1) = 1. Sorry and thanks.
â Harshit Joshi
Sep 3 at 13:23
But what if the question was about $lim_x->1floor(x)$ $f: [0,1]->0,1$
â Harshit Joshi
Sep 3 at 13:28
Do you mean the case where $f(x) = mathrmfloor(x)$? In that case the correct answer would be $0$: for any $epsilon > 0$, take $delta = 1/2$, and then $0 < |x - 1| < delta$ (which just means $1/2 < x < 1$) implies that $|f(x) - 0| = |0 - 0| = 0 < epsilon$, as we needed to prove.
â Mees de Vries
Sep 3 at 13:30
Thanks for answering my stupid question
â Harshit Joshi
Sep 3 at 13:32
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up vote
4
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Note that $arcsin(1) = fracpi2$, not $arcsin(1) = 1$; this means in particular that for values $x$ to the immediate left of $1$, also $arcsin(x) > 1$. Thus the function $mathrmfloor(arcsin(x))$ is continuous at $1$.
However, the answer in the book is bad if it doesn't mention the fact that the function is continuous near $x$-value 1 and just gives the answer.
Sorry, I got confused and thought arcsin(1) = 1. Sorry and thanks.
â Harshit Joshi
Sep 3 at 13:23
But what if the question was about $lim_x->1floor(x)$ $f: [0,1]->0,1$
â Harshit Joshi
Sep 3 at 13:28
Do you mean the case where $f(x) = mathrmfloor(x)$? In that case the correct answer would be $0$: for any $epsilon > 0$, take $delta = 1/2$, and then $0 < |x - 1| < delta$ (which just means $1/2 < x < 1$) implies that $|f(x) - 0| = |0 - 0| = 0 < epsilon$, as we needed to prove.
â Mees de Vries
Sep 3 at 13:30
Thanks for answering my stupid question
â Harshit Joshi
Sep 3 at 13:32
add a comment |Â
up vote
4
down vote
accepted
up vote
4
down vote
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Note that $arcsin(1) = fracpi2$, not $arcsin(1) = 1$; this means in particular that for values $x$ to the immediate left of $1$, also $arcsin(x) > 1$. Thus the function $mathrmfloor(arcsin(x))$ is continuous at $1$.
However, the answer in the book is bad if it doesn't mention the fact that the function is continuous near $x$-value 1 and just gives the answer.
Note that $arcsin(1) = fracpi2$, not $arcsin(1) = 1$; this means in particular that for values $x$ to the immediate left of $1$, also $arcsin(x) > 1$. Thus the function $mathrmfloor(arcsin(x))$ is continuous at $1$.
However, the answer in the book is bad if it doesn't mention the fact that the function is continuous near $x$-value 1 and just gives the answer.
answered Sep 3 at 13:14
Mees de Vries
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Sorry, I got confused and thought arcsin(1) = 1. Sorry and thanks.
â Harshit Joshi
Sep 3 at 13:23
But what if the question was about $lim_x->1floor(x)$ $f: [0,1]->0,1$
â Harshit Joshi
Sep 3 at 13:28
Do you mean the case where $f(x) = mathrmfloor(x)$? In that case the correct answer would be $0$: for any $epsilon > 0$, take $delta = 1/2$, and then $0 < |x - 1| < delta$ (which just means $1/2 < x < 1$) implies that $|f(x) - 0| = |0 - 0| = 0 < epsilon$, as we needed to prove.
â Mees de Vries
Sep 3 at 13:30
Thanks for answering my stupid question
â Harshit Joshi
Sep 3 at 13:32
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Sorry, I got confused and thought arcsin(1) = 1. Sorry and thanks.
â Harshit Joshi
Sep 3 at 13:23
But what if the question was about $lim_x->1floor(x)$ $f: [0,1]->0,1$
â Harshit Joshi
Sep 3 at 13:28
Do you mean the case where $f(x) = mathrmfloor(x)$? In that case the correct answer would be $0$: for any $epsilon > 0$, take $delta = 1/2$, and then $0 < |x - 1| < delta$ (which just means $1/2 < x < 1$) implies that $|f(x) - 0| = |0 - 0| = 0 < epsilon$, as we needed to prove.
â Mees de Vries
Sep 3 at 13:30
Thanks for answering my stupid question
â Harshit Joshi
Sep 3 at 13:32
Sorry, I got confused and thought arcsin(1) = 1. Sorry and thanks.
â Harshit Joshi
Sep 3 at 13:23
Sorry, I got confused and thought arcsin(1) = 1. Sorry and thanks.
â Harshit Joshi
Sep 3 at 13:23
But what if the question was about $lim_x->1floor(x)$ $f: [0,1]->0,1$
â Harshit Joshi
Sep 3 at 13:28
But what if the question was about $lim_x->1floor(x)$ $f: [0,1]->0,1$
â Harshit Joshi
Sep 3 at 13:28
Do you mean the case where $f(x) = mathrmfloor(x)$? In that case the correct answer would be $0$: for any $epsilon > 0$, take $delta = 1/2$, and then $0 < |x - 1| < delta$ (which just means $1/2 < x < 1$) implies that $|f(x) - 0| = |0 - 0| = 0 < epsilon$, as we needed to prove.
â Mees de Vries
Sep 3 at 13:30
Do you mean the case where $f(x) = mathrmfloor(x)$? In that case the correct answer would be $0$: for any $epsilon > 0$, take $delta = 1/2$, and then $0 < |x - 1| < delta$ (which just means $1/2 < x < 1$) implies that $|f(x) - 0| = |0 - 0| = 0 < epsilon$, as we needed to prove.
â Mees de Vries
Sep 3 at 13:30
Thanks for answering my stupid question
â Harshit Joshi
Sep 3 at 13:32
Thanks for answering my stupid question
â Harshit Joshi
Sep 3 at 13:32
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You are correct, the limit is only defined as:
$$lim_xto 1^- bigllfloor arcsin (x)bigrrfloor$$
and since for $xto 1^-$ we have $arcsin (x)to fracpi2 gt1$, we have that the limit is $1$.
The ordinary limit is also defined.
â Yves Daoust
Sep 3 at 13:47
@YvesDaoust Yes of course what I mean is that we are taking $xto 1^-$ even if we are allowed to write $xto 1$.
â gimusi
Sep 3 at 13:51
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You are correct, the limit is only defined as:
$$lim_xto 1^- bigllfloor arcsin (x)bigrrfloor$$
and since for $xto 1^-$ we have $arcsin (x)to fracpi2 gt1$, we have that the limit is $1$.
The ordinary limit is also defined.
â Yves Daoust
Sep 3 at 13:47
@YvesDaoust Yes of course what I mean is that we are taking $xto 1^-$ even if we are allowed to write $xto 1$.
â gimusi
Sep 3 at 13:51
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You are correct, the limit is only defined as:
$$lim_xto 1^- bigllfloor arcsin (x)bigrrfloor$$
and since for $xto 1^-$ we have $arcsin (x)to fracpi2 gt1$, we have that the limit is $1$.
You are correct, the limit is only defined as:
$$lim_xto 1^- bigllfloor arcsin (x)bigrrfloor$$
and since for $xto 1^-$ we have $arcsin (x)to fracpi2 gt1$, we have that the limit is $1$.
edited Sep 3 at 13:25
answered Sep 3 at 13:15
gimusi
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The ordinary limit is also defined.
â Yves Daoust
Sep 3 at 13:47
@YvesDaoust Yes of course what I mean is that we are taking $xto 1^-$ even if we are allowed to write $xto 1$.
â gimusi
Sep 3 at 13:51
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The ordinary limit is also defined.
â Yves Daoust
Sep 3 at 13:47
@YvesDaoust Yes of course what I mean is that we are taking $xto 1^-$ even if we are allowed to write $xto 1$.
â gimusi
Sep 3 at 13:51
The ordinary limit is also defined.
â Yves Daoust
Sep 3 at 13:47
The ordinary limit is also defined.
â Yves Daoust
Sep 3 at 13:47
@YvesDaoust Yes of course what I mean is that we are taking $xto 1^-$ even if we are allowed to write $xto 1$.
â gimusi
Sep 3 at 13:51
@YvesDaoust Yes of course what I mean is that we are taking $xto 1^-$ even if we are allowed to write $xto 1$.
â gimusi
Sep 3 at 13:51
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1
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On the left, $lfloorarcsin(1-epsilon)rfloor=lfloorfracpi2-deltarfloor=1$. The function is indeed undefined on the right but this doesn't matter as a limit is to be computed in the domain only. Thus,
$$lim_xto 1lfloorarcsin xrfloor=lim_xto 1^-lfloorarcsin xrfloor=1.$$
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On the left, $lfloorarcsin(1-epsilon)rfloor=lfloorfracpi2-deltarfloor=1$. The function is indeed undefined on the right but this doesn't matter as a limit is to be computed in the domain only. Thus,
$$lim_xto 1lfloorarcsin xrfloor=lim_xto 1^-lfloorarcsin xrfloor=1.$$
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On the left, $lfloorarcsin(1-epsilon)rfloor=lfloorfracpi2-deltarfloor=1$. The function is indeed undefined on the right but this doesn't matter as a limit is to be computed in the domain only. Thus,
$$lim_xto 1lfloorarcsin xrfloor=lim_xto 1^-lfloorarcsin xrfloor=1.$$
On the left, $lfloorarcsin(1-epsilon)rfloor=lfloorfracpi2-deltarfloor=1$. The function is indeed undefined on the right but this doesn't matter as a limit is to be computed in the domain only. Thus,
$$lim_xto 1lfloorarcsin xrfloor=lim_xto 1^-lfloorarcsin xrfloor=1.$$
edited Sep 3 at 13:45
answered Sep 3 at 13:27
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