Are tgid and pid ever different for a process or lightweight process?

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tgid and pid are the same concept for any process or for any lightweight process.



In /proc/$pid/status, tgid and pid are distinct fields. Are tgid and pid ever different for a process or lightweight process?



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tgid and pid are the same concept for any process or for any lightweight process.



In /proc/$pid/status, tgid and pid are distinct fields. Are tgid and pid ever different for a process or lightweight process?



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  • This has a good explanation when that can happen.

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    Dec 31 '18 at 5:25






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    man7.org/linux/man-pages/man5/proc.5.html It's just kernel name things a little bit weird.

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tgid and pid are the same concept for any process or for any lightweight process.



In /proc/$pid/status, tgid and pid are distinct fields. Are tgid and pid ever different for a process or lightweight process?



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tgid and pid are the same concept for any process or for any lightweight process.



In /proc/$pid/status, tgid and pid are distinct fields. Are tgid and pid ever different for a process or lightweight process?



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  • This has a good explanation when that can happen.

    – std_unordered_map
    Dec 31 '18 at 5:25






  • 1





    man7.org/linux/man-pages/man5/proc.5.html It's just kernel name things a little bit weird.

    – 炸鱼薯条德里克
    Dec 31 '18 at 7:15

















  • This has a good explanation when that can happen.

    – std_unordered_map
    Dec 31 '18 at 5:25






  • 1





    man7.org/linux/man-pages/man5/proc.5.html It's just kernel name things a little bit weird.

    – 炸鱼薯条德里克
    Dec 31 '18 at 7:15
















This has a good explanation when that can happen.

– std_unordered_map
Dec 31 '18 at 5:25





This has a good explanation when that can happen.

– std_unordered_map
Dec 31 '18 at 5:25




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man7.org/linux/man-pages/man5/proc.5.html It's just kernel name things a little bit weird.

– 炸鱼薯条德里克
Dec 31 '18 at 7:15





man7.org/linux/man-pages/man5/proc.5.html It's just kernel name things a little bit weird.

– 炸鱼薯条德里克
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When looking at /proc/$pid/status, then the Tgid: and Pid: fields will always match, since they're the same for a process or for the main thread of a process.



The reason why there are two separate fields is that the same code is used to produce /proc/$pid/task/$tid/status, in which Tgid: and Pid: may differ from each other. (More specifically, Tgid: will match $pid and Pid: will match $tid in the file name template used above.)




The naming is a bit confusing, mainly because threading support was only added to the Linux kernel later on and, at the time, the scheduler code was modified to reuse the logic that used to schedule processes so it would now schedule threads. This resulted in reusing the concept of "pids" to identify individual threads. So, in effect, from the kernel's point of view, "pid" is still used for threads and "tgid" was introduced for processes. But from userspace you still want the PID to identify a process, therefore userspace utilities such as ps, etc. will map kernel's "tgid" to PID and kernel's "pid" to "tid" (thread id.)






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    TGid and Pid are different for threads spawned from the process leader.



    eg looking at my polkitd process:



    % ps -Lp 2642 
    PID LWP TTY TIME CMD
    2642 2642 ? 00:00:18 polkitd
    2642 2680 ? 00:00:00 gmain
    2642 2683 ? 00:00:30 gdbus
    2642 2685 ? 00:00:00 polkitd
    2642 2687 ? 00:00:00 JS GC Helper
    2642 2688 ? 00:00:00 JS Sour~ Thread
    2642 2692 ? 00:00:00 polkitd


    If I look at process 2680:



    % egrep ^'(Tgid|Pid):' /proc/2680/status
    Tgid: 2642
    Pid: 2680





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      When looking at /proc/$pid/status, then the Tgid: and Pid: fields will always match, since they're the same for a process or for the main thread of a process.



      The reason why there are two separate fields is that the same code is used to produce /proc/$pid/task/$tid/status, in which Tgid: and Pid: may differ from each other. (More specifically, Tgid: will match $pid and Pid: will match $tid in the file name template used above.)




      The naming is a bit confusing, mainly because threading support was only added to the Linux kernel later on and, at the time, the scheduler code was modified to reuse the logic that used to schedule processes so it would now schedule threads. This resulted in reusing the concept of "pids" to identify individual threads. So, in effect, from the kernel's point of view, "pid" is still used for threads and "tgid" was introduced for processes. But from userspace you still want the PID to identify a process, therefore userspace utilities such as ps, etc. will map kernel's "tgid" to PID and kernel's "pid" to "tid" (thread id.)






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        When looking at /proc/$pid/status, then the Tgid: and Pid: fields will always match, since they're the same for a process or for the main thread of a process.



        The reason why there are two separate fields is that the same code is used to produce /proc/$pid/task/$tid/status, in which Tgid: and Pid: may differ from each other. (More specifically, Tgid: will match $pid and Pid: will match $tid in the file name template used above.)




        The naming is a bit confusing, mainly because threading support was only added to the Linux kernel later on and, at the time, the scheduler code was modified to reuse the logic that used to schedule processes so it would now schedule threads. This resulted in reusing the concept of "pids" to identify individual threads. So, in effect, from the kernel's point of view, "pid" is still used for threads and "tgid" was introduced for processes. But from userspace you still want the PID to identify a process, therefore userspace utilities such as ps, etc. will map kernel's "tgid" to PID and kernel's "pid" to "tid" (thread id.)






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          When looking at /proc/$pid/status, then the Tgid: and Pid: fields will always match, since they're the same for a process or for the main thread of a process.



          The reason why there are two separate fields is that the same code is used to produce /proc/$pid/task/$tid/status, in which Tgid: and Pid: may differ from each other. (More specifically, Tgid: will match $pid and Pid: will match $tid in the file name template used above.)




          The naming is a bit confusing, mainly because threading support was only added to the Linux kernel later on and, at the time, the scheduler code was modified to reuse the logic that used to schedule processes so it would now schedule threads. This resulted in reusing the concept of "pids" to identify individual threads. So, in effect, from the kernel's point of view, "pid" is still used for threads and "tgid" was introduced for processes. But from userspace you still want the PID to identify a process, therefore userspace utilities such as ps, etc. will map kernel's "tgid" to PID and kernel's "pid" to "tid" (thread id.)






          share|improve this answer













          When looking at /proc/$pid/status, then the Tgid: and Pid: fields will always match, since they're the same for a process or for the main thread of a process.



          The reason why there are two separate fields is that the same code is used to produce /proc/$pid/task/$tid/status, in which Tgid: and Pid: may differ from each other. (More specifically, Tgid: will match $pid and Pid: will match $tid in the file name template used above.)




          The naming is a bit confusing, mainly because threading support was only added to the Linux kernel later on and, at the time, the scheduler code was modified to reuse the logic that used to schedule processes so it would now schedule threads. This resulted in reusing the concept of "pids" to identify individual threads. So, in effect, from the kernel's point of view, "pid" is still used for threads and "tgid" was introduced for processes. But from userspace you still want the PID to identify a process, therefore userspace utilities such as ps, etc. will map kernel's "tgid" to PID and kernel's "pid" to "tid" (thread id.)







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              TGid and Pid are different for threads spawned from the process leader.



              eg looking at my polkitd process:



              % ps -Lp 2642 
              PID LWP TTY TIME CMD
              2642 2642 ? 00:00:18 polkitd
              2642 2680 ? 00:00:00 gmain
              2642 2683 ? 00:00:30 gdbus
              2642 2685 ? 00:00:00 polkitd
              2642 2687 ? 00:00:00 JS GC Helper
              2642 2688 ? 00:00:00 JS Sour~ Thread
              2642 2692 ? 00:00:00 polkitd


              If I look at process 2680:



              % egrep ^'(Tgid|Pid):' /proc/2680/status
              Tgid: 2642
              Pid: 2680





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                TGid and Pid are different for threads spawned from the process leader.



                eg looking at my polkitd process:



                % ps -Lp 2642 
                PID LWP TTY TIME CMD
                2642 2642 ? 00:00:18 polkitd
                2642 2680 ? 00:00:00 gmain
                2642 2683 ? 00:00:30 gdbus
                2642 2685 ? 00:00:00 polkitd
                2642 2687 ? 00:00:00 JS GC Helper
                2642 2688 ? 00:00:00 JS Sour~ Thread
                2642 2692 ? 00:00:00 polkitd


                If I look at process 2680:



                % egrep ^'(Tgid|Pid):' /proc/2680/status
                Tgid: 2642
                Pid: 2680





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                  TGid and Pid are different for threads spawned from the process leader.



                  eg looking at my polkitd process:



                  % ps -Lp 2642 
                  PID LWP TTY TIME CMD
                  2642 2642 ? 00:00:18 polkitd
                  2642 2680 ? 00:00:00 gmain
                  2642 2683 ? 00:00:30 gdbus
                  2642 2685 ? 00:00:00 polkitd
                  2642 2687 ? 00:00:00 JS GC Helper
                  2642 2688 ? 00:00:00 JS Sour~ Thread
                  2642 2692 ? 00:00:00 polkitd


                  If I look at process 2680:



                  % egrep ^'(Tgid|Pid):' /proc/2680/status
                  Tgid: 2642
                  Pid: 2680





                  share|improve this answer













                  TGid and Pid are different for threads spawned from the process leader.



                  eg looking at my polkitd process:



                  % ps -Lp 2642 
                  PID LWP TTY TIME CMD
                  2642 2642 ? 00:00:18 polkitd
                  2642 2680 ? 00:00:00 gmain
                  2642 2683 ? 00:00:30 gdbus
                  2642 2685 ? 00:00:00 polkitd
                  2642 2687 ? 00:00:00 JS GC Helper
                  2642 2688 ? 00:00:00 JS Sour~ Thread
                  2642 2692 ? 00:00:00 polkitd


                  If I look at process 2680:



                  % egrep ^'(Tgid|Pid):' /proc/2680/status
                  Tgid: 2642
                  Pid: 2680






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