Which is better, High CPU % with Low Frequency or the opposite? [closed]

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January 15, 2018 update



I created a 90 second Conky .gif showing "normal" behavior during start up:



  • A few seconds after boot I start Conky.

  • A few seconds later I start Peek which begins recording .gif after 3 seconds when system up-time is about about 30 seconds.

  • When .gif starts I load Firefox 10 tabs and two windows, one window with video (flash player)

  • For first minute up up-time, .gif shows frequency high in turbo mode and CPU load moderate.


  • cronjobs, for example daily emailed backup, run at @reboot time making single core spike to 100%.

  • After a minute frequencies reduce to non-turbo boost below 2.6 GHz which I deem to be "normal".

  • .gif ends when system up-time is 2 minutes and 10 seconds.

Normal start-up .gif:



Conky startup.gif



Although this is under the same kernel 4.14.13 it doesn't explain the abnormal behavior on January 13, 2018 when frequencies stayed in turbo-boost mode during the entire session.



January 14, 2018 update



I rebooted with Kernel 4.14.13 today and it is behaving like 4.14.12 yesterday. I can't explain the difference and have no objections with this question be close voted.



High CPU % with Low Frequency vs. Low CPU % with High Frequency



Both these results are using FireFox with 10 tabs open in Non-Full Screen on laptop built-in 1080p display and FireFox with one tab open in Full Screen streaming a movie on External TV connected via ThunderBolt 3 USB-C to HDMI adapter. All tests were on a Skylake i7 6700HQ.



Kernel 4.14.12



All kernels sampled 4.4, 4.10 and 4.14 (up until version 4.14.13) exhibited High CPU % with Low Frequency.



CPU High Frequency Low.gif



Kernel 4.14.13



Whilst trying different kernels to watch Meltdown security hole impact I noticed an unrelated change where clock frequency was running at Turbo speeds constantly with a 10 degree increase in temperatures.



CPU Low Frequency High.gif



What Changed



The only difference is booting Kernel version 4.14.12 (High CPU, Low frequency) and kernel version 4.14.13 (Low CPU with High Frequency).



Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS is used in both tests with no apt-get changes in-between.



In both tests the nVidia GTX 970M is disabled and only the Intel HD530 integrated graphics are used. When nVidia was activated on Kernel 4.14.4 the CPU % didn't seem to decrease all that much but moving Windows on desktop wasn't nearly as smooth as the Intel iGPU.



My other laptop has an Ivy Bridge 3630QM CPU and exhibits very different behavior in the three years I was using it. CPU % was slightly higher because it was a weaker processor but frequency would bounce between low and high all the time with most time spent in the middle. I think the frequency behavior was much preferable but, that is subjective. I'll create some Conky .gif's later for the 3630QM CPU if someone is interested.



Questions



Is it better to have Low CPU with High Frequency or High CPU and Low Frequency?



Battery use isn't really a concern as this 17" laptop doesn't go outside since it doesn't fit into the coat pocket as easily as the 5.5" 1080p smartphone. It would still be good to know if Low CPU % or Low Frequency is better for battery life?







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    January 15, 2018 update



    I created a 90 second Conky .gif showing "normal" behavior during start up:



    • A few seconds after boot I start Conky.

    • A few seconds later I start Peek which begins recording .gif after 3 seconds when system up-time is about about 30 seconds.

    • When .gif starts I load Firefox 10 tabs and two windows, one window with video (flash player)

    • For first minute up up-time, .gif shows frequency high in turbo mode and CPU load moderate.


    • cronjobs, for example daily emailed backup, run at @reboot time making single core spike to 100%.

    • After a minute frequencies reduce to non-turbo boost below 2.6 GHz which I deem to be "normal".

    • .gif ends when system up-time is 2 minutes and 10 seconds.

    Normal start-up .gif:



    Conky startup.gif



    Although this is under the same kernel 4.14.13 it doesn't explain the abnormal behavior on January 13, 2018 when frequencies stayed in turbo-boost mode during the entire session.



    January 14, 2018 update



    I rebooted with Kernel 4.14.13 today and it is behaving like 4.14.12 yesterday. I can't explain the difference and have no objections with this question be close voted.



    High CPU % with Low Frequency vs. Low CPU % with High Frequency



    Both these results are using FireFox with 10 tabs open in Non-Full Screen on laptop built-in 1080p display and FireFox with one tab open in Full Screen streaming a movie on External TV connected via ThunderBolt 3 USB-C to HDMI adapter. All tests were on a Skylake i7 6700HQ.



    Kernel 4.14.12



    All kernels sampled 4.4, 4.10 and 4.14 (up until version 4.14.13) exhibited High CPU % with Low Frequency.



    CPU High Frequency Low.gif



    Kernel 4.14.13



    Whilst trying different kernels to watch Meltdown security hole impact I noticed an unrelated change where clock frequency was running at Turbo speeds constantly with a 10 degree increase in temperatures.



    CPU Low Frequency High.gif



    What Changed



    The only difference is booting Kernel version 4.14.12 (High CPU, Low frequency) and kernel version 4.14.13 (Low CPU with High Frequency).



    Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS is used in both tests with no apt-get changes in-between.



    In both tests the nVidia GTX 970M is disabled and only the Intel HD530 integrated graphics are used. When nVidia was activated on Kernel 4.14.4 the CPU % didn't seem to decrease all that much but moving Windows on desktop wasn't nearly as smooth as the Intel iGPU.



    My other laptop has an Ivy Bridge 3630QM CPU and exhibits very different behavior in the three years I was using it. CPU % was slightly higher because it was a weaker processor but frequency would bounce between low and high all the time with most time spent in the middle. I think the frequency behavior was much preferable but, that is subjective. I'll create some Conky .gif's later for the 3630QM CPU if someone is interested.



    Questions



    Is it better to have Low CPU with High Frequency or High CPU and Low Frequency?



    Battery use isn't really a concern as this 17" laptop doesn't go outside since it doesn't fit into the coat pocket as easily as the 5.5" 1080p smartphone. It would still be good to know if Low CPU % or Low Frequency is better for battery life?







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    closed as too broad by Thomas Dickey, Fox, maulinglawns, G-Man, Archemar Jan 15 at 10:57


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      January 15, 2018 update



      I created a 90 second Conky .gif showing "normal" behavior during start up:



      • A few seconds after boot I start Conky.

      • A few seconds later I start Peek which begins recording .gif after 3 seconds when system up-time is about about 30 seconds.

      • When .gif starts I load Firefox 10 tabs and two windows, one window with video (flash player)

      • For first minute up up-time, .gif shows frequency high in turbo mode and CPU load moderate.


      • cronjobs, for example daily emailed backup, run at @reboot time making single core spike to 100%.

      • After a minute frequencies reduce to non-turbo boost below 2.6 GHz which I deem to be "normal".

      • .gif ends when system up-time is 2 minutes and 10 seconds.

      Normal start-up .gif:



      Conky startup.gif



      Although this is under the same kernel 4.14.13 it doesn't explain the abnormal behavior on January 13, 2018 when frequencies stayed in turbo-boost mode during the entire session.



      January 14, 2018 update



      I rebooted with Kernel 4.14.13 today and it is behaving like 4.14.12 yesterday. I can't explain the difference and have no objections with this question be close voted.



      High CPU % with Low Frequency vs. Low CPU % with High Frequency



      Both these results are using FireFox with 10 tabs open in Non-Full Screen on laptop built-in 1080p display and FireFox with one tab open in Full Screen streaming a movie on External TV connected via ThunderBolt 3 USB-C to HDMI adapter. All tests were on a Skylake i7 6700HQ.



      Kernel 4.14.12



      All kernels sampled 4.4, 4.10 and 4.14 (up until version 4.14.13) exhibited High CPU % with Low Frequency.



      CPU High Frequency Low.gif



      Kernel 4.14.13



      Whilst trying different kernels to watch Meltdown security hole impact I noticed an unrelated change where clock frequency was running at Turbo speeds constantly with a 10 degree increase in temperatures.



      CPU Low Frequency High.gif



      What Changed



      The only difference is booting Kernel version 4.14.12 (High CPU, Low frequency) and kernel version 4.14.13 (Low CPU with High Frequency).



      Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS is used in both tests with no apt-get changes in-between.



      In both tests the nVidia GTX 970M is disabled and only the Intel HD530 integrated graphics are used. When nVidia was activated on Kernel 4.14.4 the CPU % didn't seem to decrease all that much but moving Windows on desktop wasn't nearly as smooth as the Intel iGPU.



      My other laptop has an Ivy Bridge 3630QM CPU and exhibits very different behavior in the three years I was using it. CPU % was slightly higher because it was a weaker processor but frequency would bounce between low and high all the time with most time spent in the middle. I think the frequency behavior was much preferable but, that is subjective. I'll create some Conky .gif's later for the 3630QM CPU if someone is interested.



      Questions



      Is it better to have Low CPU with High Frequency or High CPU and Low Frequency?



      Battery use isn't really a concern as this 17" laptop doesn't go outside since it doesn't fit into the coat pocket as easily as the 5.5" 1080p smartphone. It would still be good to know if Low CPU % or Low Frequency is better for battery life?







      share|improve this question














      January 15, 2018 update



      I created a 90 second Conky .gif showing "normal" behavior during start up:



      • A few seconds after boot I start Conky.

      • A few seconds later I start Peek which begins recording .gif after 3 seconds when system up-time is about about 30 seconds.

      • When .gif starts I load Firefox 10 tabs and two windows, one window with video (flash player)

      • For first minute up up-time, .gif shows frequency high in turbo mode and CPU load moderate.


      • cronjobs, for example daily emailed backup, run at @reboot time making single core spike to 100%.

      • After a minute frequencies reduce to non-turbo boost below 2.6 GHz which I deem to be "normal".

      • .gif ends when system up-time is 2 minutes and 10 seconds.

      Normal start-up .gif:



      Conky startup.gif



      Although this is under the same kernel 4.14.13 it doesn't explain the abnormal behavior on January 13, 2018 when frequencies stayed in turbo-boost mode during the entire session.



      January 14, 2018 update



      I rebooted with Kernel 4.14.13 today and it is behaving like 4.14.12 yesterday. I can't explain the difference and have no objections with this question be close voted.



      High CPU % with Low Frequency vs. Low CPU % with High Frequency



      Both these results are using FireFox with 10 tabs open in Non-Full Screen on laptop built-in 1080p display and FireFox with one tab open in Full Screen streaming a movie on External TV connected via ThunderBolt 3 USB-C to HDMI adapter. All tests were on a Skylake i7 6700HQ.



      Kernel 4.14.12



      All kernels sampled 4.4, 4.10 and 4.14 (up until version 4.14.13) exhibited High CPU % with Low Frequency.



      CPU High Frequency Low.gif



      Kernel 4.14.13



      Whilst trying different kernels to watch Meltdown security hole impact I noticed an unrelated change where clock frequency was running at Turbo speeds constantly with a 10 degree increase in temperatures.



      CPU Low Frequency High.gif



      What Changed



      The only difference is booting Kernel version 4.14.12 (High CPU, Low frequency) and kernel version 4.14.13 (Low CPU with High Frequency).



      Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS is used in both tests with no apt-get changes in-between.



      In both tests the nVidia GTX 970M is disabled and only the Intel HD530 integrated graphics are used. When nVidia was activated on Kernel 4.14.4 the CPU % didn't seem to decrease all that much but moving Windows on desktop wasn't nearly as smooth as the Intel iGPU.



      My other laptop has an Ivy Bridge 3630QM CPU and exhibits very different behavior in the three years I was using it. CPU % was slightly higher because it was a weaker processor but frequency would bounce between low and high all the time with most time spent in the middle. I think the frequency behavior was much preferable but, that is subjective. I'll create some Conky .gif's later for the 3630QM CPU if someone is interested.



      Questions



      Is it better to have Low CPU with High Frequency or High CPU and Low Frequency?



      Battery use isn't really a concern as this 17" laptop doesn't go outside since it doesn't fit into the coat pocket as easily as the 5.5" 1080p smartphone. It would still be good to know if Low CPU % or Low Frequency is better for battery life?









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          The answer to this question will really depend on use case, but remember post Haswell The core speeds can ramp up based on need per core, and that the "Uncore" or non-CPU bound (memory bound as an example) can ramp up the frequency without impacting the power budget of the core.



          In general, if the latency in ramping up does not effect your interactive feel you want the frequencies as low as possible.



          The turbo speed of CPUs is limited by the power and thermal budgets of the package, and if most of your cores are running at a low frequency a single thread can turbo higher and faster for longer.



          Also note that some functions like AVX2 require significantly more power than integer operations and on most chips will reduce the CPU frequency below the base frequency if all cores are at a high speed.



          I am not familiar with the tool you are using, but due to this change some are looking at the TSC frequency and not the core frequency so this may not be observed.



          Unfortunately due to the dynamic nature of Turbo Boost and some unseen PID functions related to core and package temperature the %used number aren't very useful.



          Targeting acceptable latency (which is much better in modern iterations of the scaling drivers in linux) and lowest temperature will most likely lead to improved single threaded performance.



          I would check



          $ cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors


          And:



          /sys/devices/system/cpu/*/cpufreq/scaling_governor


          To make sure you aren't on the performance governor which will sacrifice individual thread performance for latency.






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          • On my i7 6700HQ the governor available scaling options are powersave and performance. All 8 CPUs are set to powersave which is the default. My older Ivy Bridge laptop was setup the same way and it's the default in Ubuntu. Conky is displaying the frequency of the highest operating core as when a single thread spikes up to 100% you'll see the solo frequency displayed spike up as well.
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            Jan 14 at 15:39

















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          1 Answer
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          active

          oldest

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          active

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          up vote
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          The answer to this question will really depend on use case, but remember post Haswell The core speeds can ramp up based on need per core, and that the "Uncore" or non-CPU bound (memory bound as an example) can ramp up the frequency without impacting the power budget of the core.



          In general, if the latency in ramping up does not effect your interactive feel you want the frequencies as low as possible.



          The turbo speed of CPUs is limited by the power and thermal budgets of the package, and if most of your cores are running at a low frequency a single thread can turbo higher and faster for longer.



          Also note that some functions like AVX2 require significantly more power than integer operations and on most chips will reduce the CPU frequency below the base frequency if all cores are at a high speed.



          I am not familiar with the tool you are using, but due to this change some are looking at the TSC frequency and not the core frequency so this may not be observed.



          Unfortunately due to the dynamic nature of Turbo Boost and some unseen PID functions related to core and package temperature the %used number aren't very useful.



          Targeting acceptable latency (which is much better in modern iterations of the scaling drivers in linux) and lowest temperature will most likely lead to improved single threaded performance.



          I would check



          $ cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors


          And:



          /sys/devices/system/cpu/*/cpufreq/scaling_governor


          To make sure you aren't on the performance governor which will sacrifice individual thread performance for latency.






          share|improve this answer




















          • On my i7 6700HQ the governor available scaling options are powersave and performance. All 8 CPUs are set to powersave which is the default. My older Ivy Bridge laptop was setup the same way and it's the default in Ubuntu. Conky is displaying the frequency of the highest operating core as when a single thread spikes up to 100% you'll see the solo frequency displayed spike up as well.
            – WinEunuuchs2Unix
            Jan 14 at 15:39














          up vote
          1
          down vote













          The answer to this question will really depend on use case, but remember post Haswell The core speeds can ramp up based on need per core, and that the "Uncore" or non-CPU bound (memory bound as an example) can ramp up the frequency without impacting the power budget of the core.



          In general, if the latency in ramping up does not effect your interactive feel you want the frequencies as low as possible.



          The turbo speed of CPUs is limited by the power and thermal budgets of the package, and if most of your cores are running at a low frequency a single thread can turbo higher and faster for longer.



          Also note that some functions like AVX2 require significantly more power than integer operations and on most chips will reduce the CPU frequency below the base frequency if all cores are at a high speed.



          I am not familiar with the tool you are using, but due to this change some are looking at the TSC frequency and not the core frequency so this may not be observed.



          Unfortunately due to the dynamic nature of Turbo Boost and some unseen PID functions related to core and package temperature the %used number aren't very useful.



          Targeting acceptable latency (which is much better in modern iterations of the scaling drivers in linux) and lowest temperature will most likely lead to improved single threaded performance.



          I would check



          $ cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors


          And:



          /sys/devices/system/cpu/*/cpufreq/scaling_governor


          To make sure you aren't on the performance governor which will sacrifice individual thread performance for latency.






          share|improve this answer




















          • On my i7 6700HQ the governor available scaling options are powersave and performance. All 8 CPUs are set to powersave which is the default. My older Ivy Bridge laptop was setup the same way and it's the default in Ubuntu. Conky is displaying the frequency of the highest operating core as when a single thread spikes up to 100% you'll see the solo frequency displayed spike up as well.
            – WinEunuuchs2Unix
            Jan 14 at 15:39












          up vote
          1
          down vote










          up vote
          1
          down vote









          The answer to this question will really depend on use case, but remember post Haswell The core speeds can ramp up based on need per core, and that the "Uncore" or non-CPU bound (memory bound as an example) can ramp up the frequency without impacting the power budget of the core.



          In general, if the latency in ramping up does not effect your interactive feel you want the frequencies as low as possible.



          The turbo speed of CPUs is limited by the power and thermal budgets of the package, and if most of your cores are running at a low frequency a single thread can turbo higher and faster for longer.



          Also note that some functions like AVX2 require significantly more power than integer operations and on most chips will reduce the CPU frequency below the base frequency if all cores are at a high speed.



          I am not familiar with the tool you are using, but due to this change some are looking at the TSC frequency and not the core frequency so this may not be observed.



          Unfortunately due to the dynamic nature of Turbo Boost and some unseen PID functions related to core and package temperature the %used number aren't very useful.



          Targeting acceptable latency (which is much better in modern iterations of the scaling drivers in linux) and lowest temperature will most likely lead to improved single threaded performance.



          I would check



          $ cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors


          And:



          /sys/devices/system/cpu/*/cpufreq/scaling_governor


          To make sure you aren't on the performance governor which will sacrifice individual thread performance for latency.






          share|improve this answer












          The answer to this question will really depend on use case, but remember post Haswell The core speeds can ramp up based on need per core, and that the "Uncore" or non-CPU bound (memory bound as an example) can ramp up the frequency without impacting the power budget of the core.



          In general, if the latency in ramping up does not effect your interactive feel you want the frequencies as low as possible.



          The turbo speed of CPUs is limited by the power and thermal budgets of the package, and if most of your cores are running at a low frequency a single thread can turbo higher and faster for longer.



          Also note that some functions like AVX2 require significantly more power than integer operations and on most chips will reduce the CPU frequency below the base frequency if all cores are at a high speed.



          I am not familiar with the tool you are using, but due to this change some are looking at the TSC frequency and not the core frequency so this may not be observed.



          Unfortunately due to the dynamic nature of Turbo Boost and some unseen PID functions related to core and package temperature the %used number aren't very useful.



          Targeting acceptable latency (which is much better in modern iterations of the scaling drivers in linux) and lowest temperature will most likely lead to improved single threaded performance.



          I would check



          $ cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors


          And:



          /sys/devices/system/cpu/*/cpufreq/scaling_governor


          To make sure you aren't on the performance governor which will sacrifice individual thread performance for latency.







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          • On my i7 6700HQ the governor available scaling options are powersave and performance. All 8 CPUs are set to powersave which is the default. My older Ivy Bridge laptop was setup the same way and it's the default in Ubuntu. Conky is displaying the frequency of the highest operating core as when a single thread spikes up to 100% you'll see the solo frequency displayed spike up as well.
            – WinEunuuchs2Unix
            Jan 14 at 15:39
















          • On my i7 6700HQ the governor available scaling options are powersave and performance. All 8 CPUs are set to powersave which is the default. My older Ivy Bridge laptop was setup the same way and it's the default in Ubuntu. Conky is displaying the frequency of the highest operating core as when a single thread spikes up to 100% you'll see the solo frequency displayed spike up as well.
            – WinEunuuchs2Unix
            Jan 14 at 15:39















          On my i7 6700HQ the governor available scaling options are powersave and performance. All 8 CPUs are set to powersave which is the default. My older Ivy Bridge laptop was setup the same way and it's the default in Ubuntu. Conky is displaying the frequency of the highest operating core as when a single thread spikes up to 100% you'll see the solo frequency displayed spike up as well.
          – WinEunuuchs2Unix
          Jan 14 at 15:39




          On my i7 6700HQ the governor available scaling options are powersave and performance. All 8 CPUs are set to powersave which is the default. My older Ivy Bridge laptop was setup the same way and it's the default in Ubuntu. Conky is displaying the frequency of the highest operating core as when a single thread spikes up to 100% you'll see the solo frequency displayed spike up as well.
          – WinEunuuchs2Unix
          Jan 14 at 15:39


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