Writing to stdin of a process

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As far as I understand if i type the following...
python -i
... the python-interpreter will now read from stdin, behaving (obviously) like this:
>>> print "Hello"
Hello
I would expect it to do the same thing if I do this:
echo 'print "Hello"' > /proc/$(pidof python)/fd/0
But this is the output ( beeing an actual empty line):
>>> print "Hello"
<empyline>
This to me looks like, it just took the print "Hello"n and wrote it to stdout, yet did not interpret it. Why is that not working and what would I have to do to make it working?
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As far as I understand if i type the following...
python -i
... the python-interpreter will now read from stdin, behaving (obviously) like this:
>>> print "Hello"
Hello
I would expect it to do the same thing if I do this:
echo 'print "Hello"' > /proc/$(pidof python)/fd/0
But this is the output ( beeing an actual empty line):
>>> print "Hello"
<empyline>
This to me looks like, it just took the print "Hello"n and wrote it to stdout, yet did not interpret it. Why is that not working and what would I have to do to make it working?
proc file-descriptors
The TIOCSTI ioctl can write to a terminal's stdin as if the data has been entered from the keyboard. For example github.com/thrig/scripts/blob/master/tty/ttywrite.c
– roaima
Aug 13 '17 at 6:00
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up vote
8
down vote
favorite
As far as I understand if i type the following...
python -i
... the python-interpreter will now read from stdin, behaving (obviously) like this:
>>> print "Hello"
Hello
I would expect it to do the same thing if I do this:
echo 'print "Hello"' > /proc/$(pidof python)/fd/0
But this is the output ( beeing an actual empty line):
>>> print "Hello"
<empyline>
This to me looks like, it just took the print "Hello"n and wrote it to stdout, yet did not interpret it. Why is that not working and what would I have to do to make it working?
proc file-descriptors
As far as I understand if i type the following...
python -i
... the python-interpreter will now read from stdin, behaving (obviously) like this:
>>> print "Hello"
Hello
I would expect it to do the same thing if I do this:
echo 'print "Hello"' > /proc/$(pidof python)/fd/0
But this is the output ( beeing an actual empty line):
>>> print "Hello"
<empyline>
This to me looks like, it just took the print "Hello"n and wrote it to stdout, yet did not interpret it. Why is that not working and what would I have to do to make it working?
proc file-descriptors
proc file-descriptors
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The TIOCSTI ioctl can write to a terminal's stdin as if the data has been entered from the keyboard. For example github.com/thrig/scripts/blob/master/tty/ttywrite.c
– roaima
Aug 13 '17 at 6:00
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The TIOCSTI ioctl can write to a terminal's stdin as if the data has been entered from the keyboard. For example github.com/thrig/scripts/blob/master/tty/ttywrite.c
– roaima
Aug 13 '17 at 6:00
The TIOCSTI ioctl can write to a terminal's stdin as if the data has been entered from the keyboard. For example github.com/thrig/scripts/blob/master/tty/ttywrite.c
– roaima
Aug 13 '17 at 6:00
The TIOCSTI ioctl can write to a terminal's stdin as if the data has been entered from the keyboard. For example github.com/thrig/scripts/blob/master/tty/ttywrite.c
– roaima
Aug 13 '17 at 6:00
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Sending input to shells/interpreters in this way is very problem-prone and very difficult to get working in any reliable way.
The proper way is to use sockets, this is why they were invented, you can do this in command line using ncat nc or socat to bind a python process to a simple socket. Or write a simple python application that binds to port and listens for commands to interpret on a socket.
sockets can be local and not exposed to any web interface.
The problem is that if you start python from the command line, it is typically attached to your shell which is attached to a terminal, in fact we can see
$ ls -al /proc/PID/fd
lrwxrwxrwx 1 USER GROUP 0 Aug 1 00:00 0 -> /dev/pty1
so when you write to stdin of python, you are actually writing to the pty psuedo-terminal, which is a kernel device, not a simple file. It uses ioctl not read and write, so you will see output on your screen, but it will not be sent to the spawned process (python)
One way to replicate what you are trying is with a fifo or named pipe.
# make pipe
$ mkfifo python_i.pipe
# start python interactive with pipe input
# Will print to pty output unless redirected
$ python -i < python_i.pipe &
# keep pipe open
$ sleep infinity > python_i.pipe &
# interact with the interpreter
$ echo "print "hello"" >> python_i.pipe
You can also use screen for input only
# start screen
$ screen -dmS python python
# send command to input
$ screen -S python -X 'print "hello"'
# view output
$ screen -S python -x
If you hold the pipe open (egsleep 300 > python_i.pipe &) the other side won't close andpythonwill continue to accept commands down the pipe. There is no EOF as such sent byecho.
– roaima
Aug 13 '17 at 5:54
@roaima you are right, I was mistaken in my understanding that echo sends the EOF when it closes the stream. This is not avoidable with|pipes, however , correct?
– crasic
Aug 13 '17 at 5:56
I was already down the fifo road, butecho something > fifowould cause it to get an EOF which would stop many applications. Thesleep infinity > fifoworkaround didn't cross my mid though, thank you!
– Sheppy
Aug 13 '17 at 6:00
actually continuing your idea, you can also dopython -i <> fifowhich will also prevent the EOF
– Sheppy
Aug 13 '17 at 6:45
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Accessing /proc/PID/fd/0 doesn't access file descriptor 0 of process PID, it accesses the file which PID has open on file descriptor 0. This is a subtle distinction, but it matters. A file descriptor is a connection that a process has to a file. Writing to a file descriptor writes to the file regardless of how the file has been opened.
If /proc/PID/fd/0 is a regular file, writing to it modifies the file. The data isn't necessarily what the process will read next: it depends on the position attached to the file descriptor that the process is using to read the file. When a process opens /proc/PID/fd/0, it gets the same file as the other process, but the file positions are independent.
If /proc/PID/fd/0 is a pipe, then writing to it appends the data to the pipe's buffer. In that case, the process that's reading from the pipe will read the data.
If /proc/PID/fd/0 is a terminal, then writing to it outputs the data on a terminal. A terminal file is bidirectional: writing to it outputs the data, i.e. the terminal displays the text; reading from a terminal inputs the data, i.e. the terminal transmits user input.
Python is both reading and writing to the terminal. When you run echo 'print "Hello"' > /proc/$(pidof python)/fd/0, you're writing print "Hello" to the terminal. The terminal displays print "Hello" as instructed. The python process doesn't see anything, it's still waiting for input.
If you want to feed input to the Python process, you have to get the terminal to do it. See crasic's answer for ways to do that.
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2 Answers
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active
oldest
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2 Answers
2
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
up vote
6
down vote
accepted
Sending input to shells/interpreters in this way is very problem-prone and very difficult to get working in any reliable way.
The proper way is to use sockets, this is why they were invented, you can do this in command line using ncat nc or socat to bind a python process to a simple socket. Or write a simple python application that binds to port and listens for commands to interpret on a socket.
sockets can be local and not exposed to any web interface.
The problem is that if you start python from the command line, it is typically attached to your shell which is attached to a terminal, in fact we can see
$ ls -al /proc/PID/fd
lrwxrwxrwx 1 USER GROUP 0 Aug 1 00:00 0 -> /dev/pty1
so when you write to stdin of python, you are actually writing to the pty psuedo-terminal, which is a kernel device, not a simple file. It uses ioctl not read and write, so you will see output on your screen, but it will not be sent to the spawned process (python)
One way to replicate what you are trying is with a fifo or named pipe.
# make pipe
$ mkfifo python_i.pipe
# start python interactive with pipe input
# Will print to pty output unless redirected
$ python -i < python_i.pipe &
# keep pipe open
$ sleep infinity > python_i.pipe &
# interact with the interpreter
$ echo "print "hello"" >> python_i.pipe
You can also use screen for input only
# start screen
$ screen -dmS python python
# send command to input
$ screen -S python -X 'print "hello"'
# view output
$ screen -S python -x
If you hold the pipe open (egsleep 300 > python_i.pipe &) the other side won't close andpythonwill continue to accept commands down the pipe. There is no EOF as such sent byecho.
– roaima
Aug 13 '17 at 5:54
@roaima you are right, I was mistaken in my understanding that echo sends the EOF when it closes the stream. This is not avoidable with|pipes, however , correct?
– crasic
Aug 13 '17 at 5:56
I was already down the fifo road, butecho something > fifowould cause it to get an EOF which would stop many applications. Thesleep infinity > fifoworkaround didn't cross my mid though, thank you!
– Sheppy
Aug 13 '17 at 6:00
actually continuing your idea, you can also dopython -i <> fifowhich will also prevent the EOF
– Sheppy
Aug 13 '17 at 6:45
add a comment |
up vote
6
down vote
accepted
Sending input to shells/interpreters in this way is very problem-prone and very difficult to get working in any reliable way.
The proper way is to use sockets, this is why they were invented, you can do this in command line using ncat nc or socat to bind a python process to a simple socket. Or write a simple python application that binds to port and listens for commands to interpret on a socket.
sockets can be local and not exposed to any web interface.
The problem is that if you start python from the command line, it is typically attached to your shell which is attached to a terminal, in fact we can see
$ ls -al /proc/PID/fd
lrwxrwxrwx 1 USER GROUP 0 Aug 1 00:00 0 -> /dev/pty1
so when you write to stdin of python, you are actually writing to the pty psuedo-terminal, which is a kernel device, not a simple file. It uses ioctl not read and write, so you will see output on your screen, but it will not be sent to the spawned process (python)
One way to replicate what you are trying is with a fifo or named pipe.
# make pipe
$ mkfifo python_i.pipe
# start python interactive with pipe input
# Will print to pty output unless redirected
$ python -i < python_i.pipe &
# keep pipe open
$ sleep infinity > python_i.pipe &
# interact with the interpreter
$ echo "print "hello"" >> python_i.pipe
You can also use screen for input only
# start screen
$ screen -dmS python python
# send command to input
$ screen -S python -X 'print "hello"'
# view output
$ screen -S python -x
If you hold the pipe open (egsleep 300 > python_i.pipe &) the other side won't close andpythonwill continue to accept commands down the pipe. There is no EOF as such sent byecho.
– roaima
Aug 13 '17 at 5:54
@roaima you are right, I was mistaken in my understanding that echo sends the EOF when it closes the stream. This is not avoidable with|pipes, however , correct?
– crasic
Aug 13 '17 at 5:56
I was already down the fifo road, butecho something > fifowould cause it to get an EOF which would stop many applications. Thesleep infinity > fifoworkaround didn't cross my mid though, thank you!
– Sheppy
Aug 13 '17 at 6:00
actually continuing your idea, you can also dopython -i <> fifowhich will also prevent the EOF
– Sheppy
Aug 13 '17 at 6:45
add a comment |
up vote
6
down vote
accepted
up vote
6
down vote
accepted
Sending input to shells/interpreters in this way is very problem-prone and very difficult to get working in any reliable way.
The proper way is to use sockets, this is why they were invented, you can do this in command line using ncat nc or socat to bind a python process to a simple socket. Or write a simple python application that binds to port and listens for commands to interpret on a socket.
sockets can be local and not exposed to any web interface.
The problem is that if you start python from the command line, it is typically attached to your shell which is attached to a terminal, in fact we can see
$ ls -al /proc/PID/fd
lrwxrwxrwx 1 USER GROUP 0 Aug 1 00:00 0 -> /dev/pty1
so when you write to stdin of python, you are actually writing to the pty psuedo-terminal, which is a kernel device, not a simple file. It uses ioctl not read and write, so you will see output on your screen, but it will not be sent to the spawned process (python)
One way to replicate what you are trying is with a fifo or named pipe.
# make pipe
$ mkfifo python_i.pipe
# start python interactive with pipe input
# Will print to pty output unless redirected
$ python -i < python_i.pipe &
# keep pipe open
$ sleep infinity > python_i.pipe &
# interact with the interpreter
$ echo "print "hello"" >> python_i.pipe
You can also use screen for input only
# start screen
$ screen -dmS python python
# send command to input
$ screen -S python -X 'print "hello"'
# view output
$ screen -S python -x
Sending input to shells/interpreters in this way is very problem-prone and very difficult to get working in any reliable way.
The proper way is to use sockets, this is why they were invented, you can do this in command line using ncat nc or socat to bind a python process to a simple socket. Or write a simple python application that binds to port and listens for commands to interpret on a socket.
sockets can be local and not exposed to any web interface.
The problem is that if you start python from the command line, it is typically attached to your shell which is attached to a terminal, in fact we can see
$ ls -al /proc/PID/fd
lrwxrwxrwx 1 USER GROUP 0 Aug 1 00:00 0 -> /dev/pty1
so when you write to stdin of python, you are actually writing to the pty psuedo-terminal, which is a kernel device, not a simple file. It uses ioctl not read and write, so you will see output on your screen, but it will not be sent to the spawned process (python)
One way to replicate what you are trying is with a fifo or named pipe.
# make pipe
$ mkfifo python_i.pipe
# start python interactive with pipe input
# Will print to pty output unless redirected
$ python -i < python_i.pipe &
# keep pipe open
$ sleep infinity > python_i.pipe &
# interact with the interpreter
$ echo "print "hello"" >> python_i.pipe
You can also use screen for input only
# start screen
$ screen -dmS python python
# send command to input
$ screen -S python -X 'print "hello"'
# view output
$ screen -S python -x
edited Aug 13 '17 at 6:04
answered Aug 13 '17 at 5:36
crasic
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If you hold the pipe open (egsleep 300 > python_i.pipe &) the other side won't close andpythonwill continue to accept commands down the pipe. There is no EOF as such sent byecho.
– roaima
Aug 13 '17 at 5:54
@roaima you are right, I was mistaken in my understanding that echo sends the EOF when it closes the stream. This is not avoidable with|pipes, however , correct?
– crasic
Aug 13 '17 at 5:56
I was already down the fifo road, butecho something > fifowould cause it to get an EOF which would stop many applications. Thesleep infinity > fifoworkaround didn't cross my mid though, thank you!
– Sheppy
Aug 13 '17 at 6:00
actually continuing your idea, you can also dopython -i <> fifowhich will also prevent the EOF
– Sheppy
Aug 13 '17 at 6:45
add a comment |
If you hold the pipe open (egsleep 300 > python_i.pipe &) the other side won't close andpythonwill continue to accept commands down the pipe. There is no EOF as such sent byecho.
– roaima
Aug 13 '17 at 5:54
@roaima you are right, I was mistaken in my understanding that echo sends the EOF when it closes the stream. This is not avoidable with|pipes, however , correct?
– crasic
Aug 13 '17 at 5:56
I was already down the fifo road, butecho something > fifowould cause it to get an EOF which would stop many applications. Thesleep infinity > fifoworkaround didn't cross my mid though, thank you!
– Sheppy
Aug 13 '17 at 6:00
actually continuing your idea, you can also dopython -i <> fifowhich will also prevent the EOF
– Sheppy
Aug 13 '17 at 6:45
If you hold the pipe open (eg
sleep 300 > python_i.pipe &) the other side won't close and python will continue to accept commands down the pipe. There is no EOF as such sent by echo.– roaima
Aug 13 '17 at 5:54
If you hold the pipe open (eg
sleep 300 > python_i.pipe &) the other side won't close and python will continue to accept commands down the pipe. There is no EOF as such sent by echo.– roaima
Aug 13 '17 at 5:54
@roaima you are right, I was mistaken in my understanding that echo sends the EOF when it closes the stream. This is not avoidable with
| pipes, however , correct?– crasic
Aug 13 '17 at 5:56
@roaima you are right, I was mistaken in my understanding that echo sends the EOF when it closes the stream. This is not avoidable with
| pipes, however , correct?– crasic
Aug 13 '17 at 5:56
I was already down the fifo road, but
echo something > fifo would cause it to get an EOF which would stop many applications. The sleep infinity > fifo workaround didn't cross my mid though, thank you!– Sheppy
Aug 13 '17 at 6:00
I was already down the fifo road, but
echo something > fifo would cause it to get an EOF which would stop many applications. The sleep infinity > fifo workaround didn't cross my mid though, thank you!– Sheppy
Aug 13 '17 at 6:00
actually continuing your idea, you can also do
python -i <> fifo which will also prevent the EOF– Sheppy
Aug 13 '17 at 6:45
actually continuing your idea, you can also do
python -i <> fifo which will also prevent the EOF– Sheppy
Aug 13 '17 at 6:45
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Accessing /proc/PID/fd/0 doesn't access file descriptor 0 of process PID, it accesses the file which PID has open on file descriptor 0. This is a subtle distinction, but it matters. A file descriptor is a connection that a process has to a file. Writing to a file descriptor writes to the file regardless of how the file has been opened.
If /proc/PID/fd/0 is a regular file, writing to it modifies the file. The data isn't necessarily what the process will read next: it depends on the position attached to the file descriptor that the process is using to read the file. When a process opens /proc/PID/fd/0, it gets the same file as the other process, but the file positions are independent.
If /proc/PID/fd/0 is a pipe, then writing to it appends the data to the pipe's buffer. In that case, the process that's reading from the pipe will read the data.
If /proc/PID/fd/0 is a terminal, then writing to it outputs the data on a terminal. A terminal file is bidirectional: writing to it outputs the data, i.e. the terminal displays the text; reading from a terminal inputs the data, i.e. the terminal transmits user input.
Python is both reading and writing to the terminal. When you run echo 'print "Hello"' > /proc/$(pidof python)/fd/0, you're writing print "Hello" to the terminal. The terminal displays print "Hello" as instructed. The python process doesn't see anything, it's still waiting for input.
If you want to feed input to the Python process, you have to get the terminal to do it. See crasic's answer for ways to do that.
add a comment |
up vote
7
down vote
Accessing /proc/PID/fd/0 doesn't access file descriptor 0 of process PID, it accesses the file which PID has open on file descriptor 0. This is a subtle distinction, but it matters. A file descriptor is a connection that a process has to a file. Writing to a file descriptor writes to the file regardless of how the file has been opened.
If /proc/PID/fd/0 is a regular file, writing to it modifies the file. The data isn't necessarily what the process will read next: it depends on the position attached to the file descriptor that the process is using to read the file. When a process opens /proc/PID/fd/0, it gets the same file as the other process, but the file positions are independent.
If /proc/PID/fd/0 is a pipe, then writing to it appends the data to the pipe's buffer. In that case, the process that's reading from the pipe will read the data.
If /proc/PID/fd/0 is a terminal, then writing to it outputs the data on a terminal. A terminal file is bidirectional: writing to it outputs the data, i.e. the terminal displays the text; reading from a terminal inputs the data, i.e. the terminal transmits user input.
Python is both reading and writing to the terminal. When you run echo 'print "Hello"' > /proc/$(pidof python)/fd/0, you're writing print "Hello" to the terminal. The terminal displays print "Hello" as instructed. The python process doesn't see anything, it's still waiting for input.
If you want to feed input to the Python process, you have to get the terminal to do it. See crasic's answer for ways to do that.
add a comment |
up vote
7
down vote
up vote
7
down vote
Accessing /proc/PID/fd/0 doesn't access file descriptor 0 of process PID, it accesses the file which PID has open on file descriptor 0. This is a subtle distinction, but it matters. A file descriptor is a connection that a process has to a file. Writing to a file descriptor writes to the file regardless of how the file has been opened.
If /proc/PID/fd/0 is a regular file, writing to it modifies the file. The data isn't necessarily what the process will read next: it depends on the position attached to the file descriptor that the process is using to read the file. When a process opens /proc/PID/fd/0, it gets the same file as the other process, but the file positions are independent.
If /proc/PID/fd/0 is a pipe, then writing to it appends the data to the pipe's buffer. In that case, the process that's reading from the pipe will read the data.
If /proc/PID/fd/0 is a terminal, then writing to it outputs the data on a terminal. A terminal file is bidirectional: writing to it outputs the data, i.e. the terminal displays the text; reading from a terminal inputs the data, i.e. the terminal transmits user input.
Python is both reading and writing to the terminal. When you run echo 'print "Hello"' > /proc/$(pidof python)/fd/0, you're writing print "Hello" to the terminal. The terminal displays print "Hello" as instructed. The python process doesn't see anything, it's still waiting for input.
If you want to feed input to the Python process, you have to get the terminal to do it. See crasic's answer for ways to do that.
Accessing /proc/PID/fd/0 doesn't access file descriptor 0 of process PID, it accesses the file which PID has open on file descriptor 0. This is a subtle distinction, but it matters. A file descriptor is a connection that a process has to a file. Writing to a file descriptor writes to the file regardless of how the file has been opened.
If /proc/PID/fd/0 is a regular file, writing to it modifies the file. The data isn't necessarily what the process will read next: it depends on the position attached to the file descriptor that the process is using to read the file. When a process opens /proc/PID/fd/0, it gets the same file as the other process, but the file positions are independent.
If /proc/PID/fd/0 is a pipe, then writing to it appends the data to the pipe's buffer. In that case, the process that's reading from the pipe will read the data.
If /proc/PID/fd/0 is a terminal, then writing to it outputs the data on a terminal. A terminal file is bidirectional: writing to it outputs the data, i.e. the terminal displays the text; reading from a terminal inputs the data, i.e. the terminal transmits user input.
Python is both reading and writing to the terminal. When you run echo 'print "Hello"' > /proc/$(pidof python)/fd/0, you're writing print "Hello" to the terminal. The terminal displays print "Hello" as instructed. The python process doesn't see anything, it's still waiting for input.
If you want to feed input to the Python process, you have to get the terminal to do it. See crasic's answer for ways to do that.
answered Aug 14 '17 at 0:58
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The TIOCSTI ioctl can write to a terminal's stdin as if the data has been entered from the keyboard. For example github.com/thrig/scripts/blob/master/tty/ttywrite.c
– roaima
Aug 13 '17 at 6:00