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Suppose we have a point mass prior,



$$theta sim begincases I(theta=1) ,& prob=frac12 \
Gamma(c,c), & prob=frac12 endcases$$



Then if we are asked



$lim_c to infty P(theta=1)$



Now here is the issue, since Gamma is a continuous distribution, it seems that in the case of gamma,we will never have $theta=1$.



To me it thus seems that regardless of the value of c, the $p(theta=1)=frac12$



However, we also have that since expected value of a $gamma(a,b)=fracab$ so that the expected value of the gamma is 1 when we have $a=b=c$



But, by Markov, for $X sim Gamma(c,c)$



$lim_c to infty Pr(|X-mu| lt epsilon) to 1$ for any $epsilon gt 0$



So is $lim_c to inftyP(theta=1) =1$ , or is $lim_c to inftyP(theta=1)=frac12$



As even though the markov inequality holds, it is a continous distirbution, so we will never have it exactly equal to 1.



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    Suppose we have a point mass prior,



    $$theta sim begincases I(theta=1) ,& prob=frac12 \
    Gamma(c,c), & prob=frac12 endcases$$



    Then if we are asked



    $lim_c to infty P(theta=1)$



    Now here is the issue, since Gamma is a continuous distribution, it seems that in the case of gamma,we will never have $theta=1$.



    To me it thus seems that regardless of the value of c, the $p(theta=1)=frac12$



    However, we also have that since expected value of a $gamma(a,b)=fracab$ so that the expected value of the gamma is 1 when we have $a=b=c$



    But, by Markov, for $X sim Gamma(c,c)$



    $lim_c to infty Pr(|X-mu| lt epsilon) to 1$ for any $epsilon gt 0$



    So is $lim_c to inftyP(theta=1) =1$ , or is $lim_c to inftyP(theta=1)=frac12$



    As even though the markov inequality holds, it is a continous distirbution, so we will never have it exactly equal to 1.



    Thanks all










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      Suppose we have a point mass prior,



      $$theta sim begincases I(theta=1) ,& prob=frac12 \
      Gamma(c,c), & prob=frac12 endcases$$



      Then if we are asked



      $lim_c to infty P(theta=1)$



      Now here is the issue, since Gamma is a continuous distribution, it seems that in the case of gamma,we will never have $theta=1$.



      To me it thus seems that regardless of the value of c, the $p(theta=1)=frac12$



      However, we also have that since expected value of a $gamma(a,b)=fracab$ so that the expected value of the gamma is 1 when we have $a=b=c$



      But, by Markov, for $X sim Gamma(c,c)$



      $lim_c to infty Pr(|X-mu| lt epsilon) to 1$ for any $epsilon gt 0$



      So is $lim_c to inftyP(theta=1) =1$ , or is $lim_c to inftyP(theta=1)=frac12$



      As even though the markov inequality holds, it is a continous distirbution, so we will never have it exactly equal to 1.



      Thanks all










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      Suppose we have a point mass prior,



      $$theta sim begincases I(theta=1) ,& prob=frac12 \
      Gamma(c,c), & prob=frac12 endcases$$



      Then if we are asked



      $lim_c to infty P(theta=1)$



      Now here is the issue, since Gamma is a continuous distribution, it seems that in the case of gamma,we will never have $theta=1$.



      To me it thus seems that regardless of the value of c, the $p(theta=1)=frac12$



      However, we also have that since expected value of a $gamma(a,b)=fracab$ so that the expected value of the gamma is 1 when we have $a=b=c$



      But, by Markov, for $X sim Gamma(c,c)$



      $lim_c to infty Pr(|X-mu| lt epsilon) to 1$ for any $epsilon gt 0$



      So is $lim_c to inftyP(theta=1) =1$ , or is $lim_c to inftyP(theta=1)=frac12$



      As even though the markov inequality holds, it is a continous distirbution, so we will never have it exactly equal to 1.



      Thanks all







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          Your specified prior distribution is a mixture of a continuous and discrete part. Let $I sim textBern(1/2)$ be the indicator that the parameter is taken from the gamma distribution. Then using the law of total probability you have:



          $$beginequation beginaligned
          mathbbP(theta = 1|c)
          &= mathbbP(theta = 1|c, I=0) cdot mathbbP(I=0) + mathbbP(theta = 1|c, I=1) cdot mathbbP(I=1) \[6pt]
          &= frac12 cdot mathbbP(theta = 1|c, I=0) + frac12 cdot mathbbP(theta = 1|c, I=1) \[6pt]
          &= frac12 + frac12 cdot mathbbP(theta = 1| theta sim textGa(c,c)) \[6pt]
          &= frac12. \[6pt]
          endaligned endequation$$



          (Note that the last step comes from recognising that the gamma is a continuous distribution, so the probability of a specific point is zero under this distribution.) This result holds for all values of $c$, so you are correct that it also holds in the limit:



          $$lim_c rightarrow infty mathbbP(theta = 1|c) = lim_c rightarrow infty frac12 = frac12.$$



          Your later use of Chebychev's inequality shows that as $c rightarrow infty$ you get $theta rightarrow 1$ (convergence in probability), but this does not change the fact that $mathbbP(theta = 1|c) = 1/2$ for all $c > 0$. (To understand the reason for this more fully, have a read about the distinction between convergence in probability and almost-sure convergence.)






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            Your specified prior distribution is a mixture of a continuous and discrete part. Let $I sim textBern(1/2)$ be the indicator that the parameter is taken from the gamma distribution. Then using the law of total probability you have:



            $$beginequation beginaligned
            mathbbP(theta = 1|c)
            &= mathbbP(theta = 1|c, I=0) cdot mathbbP(I=0) + mathbbP(theta = 1|c, I=1) cdot mathbbP(I=1) \[6pt]
            &= frac12 cdot mathbbP(theta = 1|c, I=0) + frac12 cdot mathbbP(theta = 1|c, I=1) \[6pt]
            &= frac12 + frac12 cdot mathbbP(theta = 1| theta sim textGa(c,c)) \[6pt]
            &= frac12. \[6pt]
            endaligned endequation$$



            (Note that the last step comes from recognising that the gamma is a continuous distribution, so the probability of a specific point is zero under this distribution.) This result holds for all values of $c$, so you are correct that it also holds in the limit:



            $$lim_c rightarrow infty mathbbP(theta = 1|c) = lim_c rightarrow infty frac12 = frac12.$$



            Your later use of Chebychev's inequality shows that as $c rightarrow infty$ you get $theta rightarrow 1$ (convergence in probability), but this does not change the fact that $mathbbP(theta = 1|c) = 1/2$ for all $c > 0$. (To understand the reason for this more fully, have a read about the distinction between convergence in probability and almost-sure convergence.)






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              Your specified prior distribution is a mixture of a continuous and discrete part. Let $I sim textBern(1/2)$ be the indicator that the parameter is taken from the gamma distribution. Then using the law of total probability you have:



              $$beginequation beginaligned
              mathbbP(theta = 1|c)
              &= mathbbP(theta = 1|c, I=0) cdot mathbbP(I=0) + mathbbP(theta = 1|c, I=1) cdot mathbbP(I=1) \[6pt]
              &= frac12 cdot mathbbP(theta = 1|c, I=0) + frac12 cdot mathbbP(theta = 1|c, I=1) \[6pt]
              &= frac12 + frac12 cdot mathbbP(theta = 1| theta sim textGa(c,c)) \[6pt]
              &= frac12. \[6pt]
              endaligned endequation$$



              (Note that the last step comes from recognising that the gamma is a continuous distribution, so the probability of a specific point is zero under this distribution.) This result holds for all values of $c$, so you are correct that it also holds in the limit:



              $$lim_c rightarrow infty mathbbP(theta = 1|c) = lim_c rightarrow infty frac12 = frac12.$$



              Your later use of Chebychev's inequality shows that as $c rightarrow infty$ you get $theta rightarrow 1$ (convergence in probability), but this does not change the fact that $mathbbP(theta = 1|c) = 1/2$ for all $c > 0$. (To understand the reason for this more fully, have a read about the distinction between convergence in probability and almost-sure convergence.)






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                Your specified prior distribution is a mixture of a continuous and discrete part. Let $I sim textBern(1/2)$ be the indicator that the parameter is taken from the gamma distribution. Then using the law of total probability you have:



                $$beginequation beginaligned
                mathbbP(theta = 1|c)
                &= mathbbP(theta = 1|c, I=0) cdot mathbbP(I=0) + mathbbP(theta = 1|c, I=1) cdot mathbbP(I=1) \[6pt]
                &= frac12 cdot mathbbP(theta = 1|c, I=0) + frac12 cdot mathbbP(theta = 1|c, I=1) \[6pt]
                &= frac12 + frac12 cdot mathbbP(theta = 1| theta sim textGa(c,c)) \[6pt]
                &= frac12. \[6pt]
                endaligned endequation$$



                (Note that the last step comes from recognising that the gamma is a continuous distribution, so the probability of a specific point is zero under this distribution.) This result holds for all values of $c$, so you are correct that it also holds in the limit:



                $$lim_c rightarrow infty mathbbP(theta = 1|c) = lim_c rightarrow infty frac12 = frac12.$$



                Your later use of Chebychev's inequality shows that as $c rightarrow infty$ you get $theta rightarrow 1$ (convergence in probability), but this does not change the fact that $mathbbP(theta = 1|c) = 1/2$ for all $c > 0$. (To understand the reason for this more fully, have a read about the distinction between convergence in probability and almost-sure convergence.)






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                Your specified prior distribution is a mixture of a continuous and discrete part. Let $I sim textBern(1/2)$ be the indicator that the parameter is taken from the gamma distribution. Then using the law of total probability you have:



                $$beginequation beginaligned
                mathbbP(theta = 1|c)
                &= mathbbP(theta = 1|c, I=0) cdot mathbbP(I=0) + mathbbP(theta = 1|c, I=1) cdot mathbbP(I=1) \[6pt]
                &= frac12 cdot mathbbP(theta = 1|c, I=0) + frac12 cdot mathbbP(theta = 1|c, I=1) \[6pt]
                &= frac12 + frac12 cdot mathbbP(theta = 1| theta sim textGa(c,c)) \[6pt]
                &= frac12. \[6pt]
                endaligned endequation$$



                (Note that the last step comes from recognising that the gamma is a continuous distribution, so the probability of a specific point is zero under this distribution.) This result holds for all values of $c$, so you are correct that it also holds in the limit:



                $$lim_c rightarrow infty mathbbP(theta = 1|c) = lim_c rightarrow infty frac12 = frac12.$$



                Your later use of Chebychev's inequality shows that as $c rightarrow infty$ you get $theta rightarrow 1$ (convergence in probability), but this does not change the fact that $mathbbP(theta = 1|c) = 1/2$ for all $c > 0$. (To understand the reason for this more fully, have a read about the distinction between convergence in probability and almost-sure convergence.)







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