Pronounciation of the combination “st” in spanish accents

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I have noticed some people from Andalusia pronouncing the combination "st" in reverse in a word, as "ch" (for example "donde está" will sound like "donde echá"). Is it a particularity of the local accent of some kind of slang? In what areas, if any, can this pronunciation be heard?










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    What you're hearing is actually [ts], which is phonetically very close to "ch" [tʃ]. I remember being puzzled by this same sound when I spent a few days in Andalusia.

    – pablodf76
    Mar 17 at 21:04











  • @pablodf76 I first noticed this watching Mar de plástico, I assumed it was [tʃ] myself at the time.

    – ukemi
    Mar 17 at 21:12











  • Related question: Is there a rule for s-aspiration?.

    – pablodf76
    Mar 18 at 1:08















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I have noticed some people from Andalusia pronouncing the combination "st" in reverse in a word, as "ch" (for example "donde está" will sound like "donde echá"). Is it a particularity of the local accent of some kind of slang? In what areas, if any, can this pronunciation be heard?










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  • 1





    What you're hearing is actually [ts], which is phonetically very close to "ch" [tʃ]. I remember being puzzled by this same sound when I spent a few days in Andalusia.

    – pablodf76
    Mar 17 at 21:04











  • @pablodf76 I first noticed this watching Mar de plástico, I assumed it was [tʃ] myself at the time.

    – ukemi
    Mar 17 at 21:12











  • Related question: Is there a rule for s-aspiration?.

    – pablodf76
    Mar 18 at 1:08













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I have noticed some people from Andalusia pronouncing the combination "st" in reverse in a word, as "ch" (for example "donde está" will sound like "donde echá"). Is it a particularity of the local accent of some kind of slang? In what areas, if any, can this pronunciation be heard?










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I have noticed some people from Andalusia pronouncing the combination "st" in reverse in a word, as "ch" (for example "donde está" will sound like "donde echá"). Is it a particularity of the local accent of some kind of slang? In what areas, if any, can this pronunciation be heard?







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    What you're hearing is actually [ts], which is phonetically very close to "ch" [tʃ]. I remember being puzzled by this same sound when I spent a few days in Andalusia.

    – pablodf76
    Mar 17 at 21:04











  • @pablodf76 I first noticed this watching Mar de plástico, I assumed it was [tʃ] myself at the time.

    – ukemi
    Mar 17 at 21:12











  • Related question: Is there a rule for s-aspiration?.

    – pablodf76
    Mar 18 at 1:08












  • 1





    What you're hearing is actually [ts], which is phonetically very close to "ch" [tʃ]. I remember being puzzled by this same sound when I spent a few days in Andalusia.

    – pablodf76
    Mar 17 at 21:04











  • @pablodf76 I first noticed this watching Mar de plástico, I assumed it was [tʃ] myself at the time.

    – ukemi
    Mar 17 at 21:12











  • Related question: Is there a rule for s-aspiration?.

    – pablodf76
    Mar 18 at 1:08







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What you're hearing is actually [ts], which is phonetically very close to "ch" [tʃ]. I remember being puzzled by this same sound when I spent a few days in Andalusia.

– pablodf76
Mar 17 at 21:04





What you're hearing is actually [ts], which is phonetically very close to "ch" [tʃ]. I remember being puzzled by this same sound when I spent a few days in Andalusia.

– pablodf76
Mar 17 at 21:04













@pablodf76 I first noticed this watching Mar de plástico, I assumed it was [tʃ] myself at the time.

– ukemi
Mar 17 at 21:12





@pablodf76 I first noticed this watching Mar de plástico, I assumed it was [tʃ] myself at the time.

– ukemi
Mar 17 at 21:12













Related question: Is there a rule for s-aspiration?.

– pablodf76
Mar 18 at 1:08





Related question: Is there a rule for s-aspiration?.

– pablodf76
Mar 18 at 1:08










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This affrication of /st/ is indeed particular to Western Andalusian:




An affricated dentoalveolar stop [ts] (listo [ˈlitso]) has been described as a variant of /st/-clusters. This sound is perceptually and acoustically similar to [th], another /st/-allophone in Seville Spanish.




  • Affrication of /st/-clusters in Western Andalusian Spanish: variation and change from a sociophonetic point of view, Hanna Ruch (2010)



The study reports that it more often occurs in younger, educated speakers, and in informal speech:




The frequency of occurrence of [ts] was negatively correlated with
age and speech formality level, and positively correlated with the level of education. The social distribution of [ts] suggests a sound change in progress in Seville Spanish.




The study posits the novel sound change: [ht] ⟶ [th] ⟶ [ts] (noting that this affricate has not been described in the traditional dialectological studies).



Also note the distinction between Eastern and Western realization of /s/ aspiration when it occurs before consonants (pre- and post- respectively):




In Eastern Andalusian Spanish, /sp, st, sk/ clusters are usually realized with preaspiration [hp, ht, hk], whereas in Western Andalusian Spanish, postaspiration [ph, th, kh] is much more frequent, at
least among younger speakers...







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    This affrication of /st/ is indeed particular to Western Andalusian:




    An affricated dentoalveolar stop [ts] (listo [ˈlitso]) has been described as a variant of /st/-clusters. This sound is perceptually and acoustically similar to [th], another /st/-allophone in Seville Spanish.




    • Affrication of /st/-clusters in Western Andalusian Spanish: variation and change from a sociophonetic point of view, Hanna Ruch (2010)



    The study reports that it more often occurs in younger, educated speakers, and in informal speech:




    The frequency of occurrence of [ts] was negatively correlated with
    age and speech formality level, and positively correlated with the level of education. The social distribution of [ts] suggests a sound change in progress in Seville Spanish.




    The study posits the novel sound change: [ht] ⟶ [th] ⟶ [ts] (noting that this affricate has not been described in the traditional dialectological studies).



    Also note the distinction between Eastern and Western realization of /s/ aspiration when it occurs before consonants (pre- and post- respectively):




    In Eastern Andalusian Spanish, /sp, st, sk/ clusters are usually realized with preaspiration [hp, ht, hk], whereas in Western Andalusian Spanish, postaspiration [ph, th, kh] is much more frequent, at
    least among younger speakers...







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      This affrication of /st/ is indeed particular to Western Andalusian:




      An affricated dentoalveolar stop [ts] (listo [ˈlitso]) has been described as a variant of /st/-clusters. This sound is perceptually and acoustically similar to [th], another /st/-allophone in Seville Spanish.




      • Affrication of /st/-clusters in Western Andalusian Spanish: variation and change from a sociophonetic point of view, Hanna Ruch (2010)



      The study reports that it more often occurs in younger, educated speakers, and in informal speech:




      The frequency of occurrence of [ts] was negatively correlated with
      age and speech formality level, and positively correlated with the level of education. The social distribution of [ts] suggests a sound change in progress in Seville Spanish.




      The study posits the novel sound change: [ht] ⟶ [th] ⟶ [ts] (noting that this affricate has not been described in the traditional dialectological studies).



      Also note the distinction between Eastern and Western realization of /s/ aspiration when it occurs before consonants (pre- and post- respectively):




      In Eastern Andalusian Spanish, /sp, st, sk/ clusters are usually realized with preaspiration [hp, ht, hk], whereas in Western Andalusian Spanish, postaspiration [ph, th, kh] is much more frequent, at
      least among younger speakers...







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        This affrication of /st/ is indeed particular to Western Andalusian:




        An affricated dentoalveolar stop [ts] (listo [ˈlitso]) has been described as a variant of /st/-clusters. This sound is perceptually and acoustically similar to [th], another /st/-allophone in Seville Spanish.




        • Affrication of /st/-clusters in Western Andalusian Spanish: variation and change from a sociophonetic point of view, Hanna Ruch (2010)



        The study reports that it more often occurs in younger, educated speakers, and in informal speech:




        The frequency of occurrence of [ts] was negatively correlated with
        age and speech formality level, and positively correlated with the level of education. The social distribution of [ts] suggests a sound change in progress in Seville Spanish.




        The study posits the novel sound change: [ht] ⟶ [th] ⟶ [ts] (noting that this affricate has not been described in the traditional dialectological studies).



        Also note the distinction between Eastern and Western realization of /s/ aspiration when it occurs before consonants (pre- and post- respectively):




        In Eastern Andalusian Spanish, /sp, st, sk/ clusters are usually realized with preaspiration [hp, ht, hk], whereas in Western Andalusian Spanish, postaspiration [ph, th, kh] is much more frequent, at
        least among younger speakers...







        share|improve this answer















        This affrication of /st/ is indeed particular to Western Andalusian:




        An affricated dentoalveolar stop [ts] (listo [ˈlitso]) has been described as a variant of /st/-clusters. This sound is perceptually and acoustically similar to [th], another /st/-allophone in Seville Spanish.




        • Affrication of /st/-clusters in Western Andalusian Spanish: variation and change from a sociophonetic point of view, Hanna Ruch (2010)



        The study reports that it more often occurs in younger, educated speakers, and in informal speech:




        The frequency of occurrence of [ts] was negatively correlated with
        age and speech formality level, and positively correlated with the level of education. The social distribution of [ts] suggests a sound change in progress in Seville Spanish.




        The study posits the novel sound change: [ht] ⟶ [th] ⟶ [ts] (noting that this affricate has not been described in the traditional dialectological studies).



        Also note the distinction between Eastern and Western realization of /s/ aspiration when it occurs before consonants (pre- and post- respectively):




        In Eastern Andalusian Spanish, /sp, st, sk/ clusters are usually realized with preaspiration [hp, ht, hk], whereas in Western Andalusian Spanish, postaspiration [ph, th, kh] is much more frequent, at
        least among younger speakers...








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