Which Linux Mint Timeshift method is more space efficient

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Some questions about Timeshift backup in Linux Mint:



  1. can I expect a difference in drive space used for backups between the btrfs option and the rsync option? As I understand it btrfs uses diff-based snapshots so should make efficient use of space. Will rsync do similar?


  2. are there any drawbacks to using btrfs instead of ext4 for a home system?


  3. if some kernel update or whatever did prevent the system from booting, will Timeshift pop up during boot as a recovery option?







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    Some questions about Timeshift backup in Linux Mint:



    1. can I expect a difference in drive space used for backups between the btrfs option and the rsync option? As I understand it btrfs uses diff-based snapshots so should make efficient use of space. Will rsync do similar?


    2. are there any drawbacks to using btrfs instead of ext4 for a home system?


    3. if some kernel update or whatever did prevent the system from booting, will Timeshift pop up during boot as a recovery option?







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      Some questions about Timeshift backup in Linux Mint:



      1. can I expect a difference in drive space used for backups between the btrfs option and the rsync option? As I understand it btrfs uses diff-based snapshots so should make efficient use of space. Will rsync do similar?


      2. are there any drawbacks to using btrfs instead of ext4 for a home system?


      3. if some kernel update or whatever did prevent the system from booting, will Timeshift pop up during boot as a recovery option?







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      Some questions about Timeshift backup in Linux Mint:



      1. can I expect a difference in drive space used for backups between the btrfs option and the rsync option? As I understand it btrfs uses diff-based snapshots so should make efficient use of space. Will rsync do similar?


      2. are there any drawbacks to using btrfs instead of ext4 for a home system?


      3. if some kernel update or whatever did prevent the system from booting, will Timeshift pop up during boot as a recovery option?









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          Can I expect a difference in drive space used for backups between the
          btrfs option and the rsync option?




          Yes. The rsync option uses hard-links. This means that if a file remains the same between snapshots (these are not backups, BTW) the file system only needs to store a new name/path for the same file. This also means that if a file changes between snapshots the entire new file needs to be copied.



          In contrast, BTRFS snapshots work at the file block level. This means that if a file changes between snapshots only the changed blocks need to be retained in the new snapshot; The other blocks of the same file can be shared between multiple snapshots.



          Another thing which affects the amount of space used the filesystem overhead, which varies between filesystems.




          Are there any drawbacks to using btrfs instead of ext4 for a home
          system?




          Yes. Before using BTRFS it's worth reading the documentation. This is not your everyday filesystem. In particular read the Gotchas which discusses fragmentation of random-write files (such as Firefox sqlite databases).




          If some kernel update or whatever did prevent the system from booting,
          will Timeshift pop up during boot as a recovery option?




          In short, I don't know. Timeshift does integrate with the bootloader, but I don't know to what extent. You may need to get with the devs on this and do some testing on your own.






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          • Two out of three excellent answers! Thank you :-) I'll probably pick this as solution but I'll leave it open a bit longer for anyone else to comment on question 3.
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          Can I expect a difference in drive space used for backups between the
          btrfs option and the rsync option?




          Yes. The rsync option uses hard-links. This means that if a file remains the same between snapshots (these are not backups, BTW) the file system only needs to store a new name/path for the same file. This also means that if a file changes between snapshots the entire new file needs to be copied.



          In contrast, BTRFS snapshots work at the file block level. This means that if a file changes between snapshots only the changed blocks need to be retained in the new snapshot; The other blocks of the same file can be shared between multiple snapshots.



          Another thing which affects the amount of space used the filesystem overhead, which varies between filesystems.




          Are there any drawbacks to using btrfs instead of ext4 for a home
          system?




          Yes. Before using BTRFS it's worth reading the documentation. This is not your everyday filesystem. In particular read the Gotchas which discusses fragmentation of random-write files (such as Firefox sqlite databases).




          If some kernel update or whatever did prevent the system from booting,
          will Timeshift pop up during boot as a recovery option?




          In short, I don't know. Timeshift does integrate with the bootloader, but I don't know to what extent. You may need to get with the devs on this and do some testing on your own.






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          • Two out of three excellent answers! Thank you :-) I'll probably pick this as solution but I'll leave it open a bit longer for anyone else to comment on question 3.
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          Can I expect a difference in drive space used for backups between the
          btrfs option and the rsync option?




          Yes. The rsync option uses hard-links. This means that if a file remains the same between snapshots (these are not backups, BTW) the file system only needs to store a new name/path for the same file. This also means that if a file changes between snapshots the entire new file needs to be copied.



          In contrast, BTRFS snapshots work at the file block level. This means that if a file changes between snapshots only the changed blocks need to be retained in the new snapshot; The other blocks of the same file can be shared between multiple snapshots.



          Another thing which affects the amount of space used the filesystem overhead, which varies between filesystems.




          Are there any drawbacks to using btrfs instead of ext4 for a home
          system?




          Yes. Before using BTRFS it's worth reading the documentation. This is not your everyday filesystem. In particular read the Gotchas which discusses fragmentation of random-write files (such as Firefox sqlite databases).




          If some kernel update or whatever did prevent the system from booting,
          will Timeshift pop up during boot as a recovery option?




          In short, I don't know. Timeshift does integrate with the bootloader, but I don't know to what extent. You may need to get with the devs on this and do some testing on your own.






          share|improve this answer





















          • Two out of three excellent answers! Thank you :-) I'll probably pick this as solution but I'll leave it open a bit longer for anyone else to comment on question 3.
            – Sam
            Jul 5 at 7:21












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          Can I expect a difference in drive space used for backups between the
          btrfs option and the rsync option?




          Yes. The rsync option uses hard-links. This means that if a file remains the same between snapshots (these are not backups, BTW) the file system only needs to store a new name/path for the same file. This also means that if a file changes between snapshots the entire new file needs to be copied.



          In contrast, BTRFS snapshots work at the file block level. This means that if a file changes between snapshots only the changed blocks need to be retained in the new snapshot; The other blocks of the same file can be shared between multiple snapshots.



          Another thing which affects the amount of space used the filesystem overhead, which varies between filesystems.




          Are there any drawbacks to using btrfs instead of ext4 for a home
          system?




          Yes. Before using BTRFS it's worth reading the documentation. This is not your everyday filesystem. In particular read the Gotchas which discusses fragmentation of random-write files (such as Firefox sqlite databases).




          If some kernel update or whatever did prevent the system from booting,
          will Timeshift pop up during boot as a recovery option?




          In short, I don't know. Timeshift does integrate with the bootloader, but I don't know to what extent. You may need to get with the devs on this and do some testing on your own.






          share|improve this answer














          Can I expect a difference in drive space used for backups between the
          btrfs option and the rsync option?




          Yes. The rsync option uses hard-links. This means that if a file remains the same between snapshots (these are not backups, BTW) the file system only needs to store a new name/path for the same file. This also means that if a file changes between snapshots the entire new file needs to be copied.



          In contrast, BTRFS snapshots work at the file block level. This means that if a file changes between snapshots only the changed blocks need to be retained in the new snapshot; The other blocks of the same file can be shared between multiple snapshots.



          Another thing which affects the amount of space used the filesystem overhead, which varies between filesystems.




          Are there any drawbacks to using btrfs instead of ext4 for a home
          system?




          Yes. Before using BTRFS it's worth reading the documentation. This is not your everyday filesystem. In particular read the Gotchas which discusses fragmentation of random-write files (such as Firefox sqlite databases).




          If some kernel update or whatever did prevent the system from booting,
          will Timeshift pop up during boot as a recovery option?




          In short, I don't know. Timeshift does integrate with the bootloader, but I don't know to what extent. You may need to get with the devs on this and do some testing on your own.







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          • Two out of three excellent answers! Thank you :-) I'll probably pick this as solution but I'll leave it open a bit longer for anyone else to comment on question 3.
            – Sam
            Jul 5 at 7:21
















          • Two out of three excellent answers! Thank you :-) I'll probably pick this as solution but I'll leave it open a bit longer for anyone else to comment on question 3.
            – Sam
            Jul 5 at 7:21















          Two out of three excellent answers! Thank you :-) I'll probably pick this as solution but I'll leave it open a bit longer for anyone else to comment on question 3.
          – Sam
          Jul 5 at 7:21




          Two out of three excellent answers! Thank you :-) I'll probably pick this as solution but I'll leave it open a bit longer for anyone else to comment on question 3.
          – Sam
          Jul 5 at 7:21












           

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